Guild Wars 2

Tried this path with an experienced group of guildees who do dungeons all the time. We eventually gave up.

If Anet is unwilling to change this path I will consider it to be blocking my progress, which in effect means I have no reason to care about moving forward in this game. I know I am not the only one who feels this way based on the insane amount of posts complaining about this path. Fun is not defined by only being able to accomplish something by using a gimmick.

make the game fun for everyone please.

There are 2 very easy methods of doing this.
Both require 1 Guardian.

Method 1: 30secs
Take atleast 2 zerker wars, 1 guardian, 1 mes, (1 optional slot additional guardian is helpful) Run in as a group, have the mes lay down a veil, run to the center of the boss, stack inside. To start off, the guaridan should use: Sanctuary. While rest of the group whales on the boss. Guardian will then follow up with Wall of reflection, once its down the mes should use feedback. At this point the boss should be almost dead or below 25%, continue to zerk it down. We have beaten it as fast as under 15 secs.

Method 2: Around 4-5 mins
Once again take atleast 1 guardian with wall of ref + speed boost. Everyone else should also bring some sort of reflect + condition removal and speedboost.
Now all you need to do is run around in circle while only targeting the boss. If anyone goes down, they should rally off a non-vet spider. Bringing AOE is key. Calling target on boss also helps.
Tip: Not required but if the team dodge rolls when the boss shakes his head, no additional spiders will spawn.
As long as you keep running circles around the boss, no one should die.

The 2nd method is easier for pugs, first one requires a premade team as dps is key.
I run this path daily since it is extremely fast, I doubt there is a nerf needed here, pm me in-game if you need help for dungeon master and my guild can take you on a run. We are a NA based guild.

You cannot make the game fun for everyone. Some people like tafu the way it is. Nerf it, and you nerf their fun.

What is the gimmick you are talking about? I don’t know any necessary gimmick to do tafu.

Projectile block/reflect is apparently a gimmick despite all classes except necro and warrior have access to it.

warrior can reflect

I think most people would be happy if it was put back to as it was six months ago. Six months ago it still repeatedly killed group that couldn’t dodge and was very simple for groups that could dodge, even with rangers.

Its amazing how often trolls will respond to a topic that has been posted by a large number of people, with the same response as they had for the first thread on the topic.

I don’t care if 1 troll thinks it’s easy, when 20 people have felt posting about this path’s difficulty was worth their time. This is not a high end dungeon, It’s in a low level area.

it’s a low level explorable dungeon, which inherently is not supposed to have the same difficulty as all other low level areas. Just because you can clear hearts in Caldeon Forest doesn’t mean you should feel entitled to the same level of difficulty from an explorable dungeon.

I’m not sure. I do every dungeon on pretty much a weekly basis through the course of an entire week. I’d hardly say any TA path is exceptionally challenging.

Broadicea.8294:

it’s a low level explorable dungeon, which inherently is not supposed to have the same difficulty as all other low level areas. Just because you can clear hearts in Caldeon Forest doesn’t mean you should feel entitled to the same level of difficulty from an explorable dungeon.

In the thread I posted that you just flamed and dismissed, I mentioned that as a point that needs to be addressed and fixed. If they make the recommended level 35, kitten, etc.. then people at that level should be able to clear it. Why make token rewards for the level of the dungeon if nobody will EVER use them because they’ll never get the tokens?

Lol Zilent Night, in method one you’re whole team just died to AoE life steal.
Remember you’re explaining this to PuGs who are programmed to range AFK meta events, be descriptive if encouraging to melee!

warrior can reflect

Blocking =/= Reflecting.

Dolan.3071:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

warrior can reflect

Blocking =/= Reflecting.

warrior can reflect.

Go look at traits. Only class that can’t reflect is necro.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dolan.3071:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

warrior can reflect

Blocking =/= Reflecting.

warrior can reflect.

Go look at traits. Only class that can’t reflect is necro.

Yeah thats what I meant haha, you gotta block to reflect. Which doesn’t really matter because you’re negating the damage already.

A reflect is still better than an absorb (see: SoA vs WoR)

didn’t ANet say that explorables were content meant to be performed by organised groups, not just random pugs running weird gear?

When we released GW2, we got similar feedback about our story dungeons that the MF dungeon is getting now. Nearly everyone could do them, it was easy for a PuG, and people really enjoyed them.
*Of course when they stepped into explorable that was a different experience, since we built our explorable dungeons to directly challenge a coordinated 5 man group. *

— Robert Hrouda

coordinated 5 man group. As opposed to PUG where he states that Story Mode were intended for them.

The fact that you can pug most dungeons quite easily, even arah, is actually evidence of anet’s failure in making the explorable dungeons the way they had initially intended.

Hrouda is the OG PUG buster

TAFU, AC p2, maybe Arah p4 pre-nerf are the only pugbusting dungeons that have existed in the game. The rest of the explorables need to be boosted to that level.

Id say lupi is a fairly decent pug buster. Unfortunately pugs have adapted to kiting him around the room for 30 minutes and get through the path by sheer perseverance.

That sounds like it would ony benefit people who don’t PUG. Considering they’re about to release a LFG tool, I doubt they’d do that. I applaud your desire for difficulty, though.

Chopps.5047:

That sounds like it would ony benefit people who don’t PUG. Considering they’re about to release a LFG tool, I doubt they’d do that. I applaud your desire for difficulty, though.

Well yeah, my intention would be to drive the scrubblebutt open world players back to their world events and living story, and raise the overall quality of dungeon pugs by attrition.

Broadicea.8294:

Chopps.5047:

That sounds like it would ony benefit people who don’t PUG. Considering they’re about to release a LFG tool, I doubt they’d do that. I applaud your desire for difficulty, though.

Well yeah, my intention would be to drive the scrubblebutt open world players back to their world events and living story, and raise the overall quality of dungeon pugs by attrition.

You are devious. I like devious.

The reflect method is definently doable in a pug. We did it with 2 mes / guard / 2 necros. With 2 time warps and chain reflects, we made it though by the skin of our teeth. Just make sure everyone is actually using their melee weapon and not just stacking in melee range, and decide before the boss in what order you’ll chain reflects/time warps. Remind everyone to stand inside wall of reflect, and you should be good to go. Eles and thieves in pugs sometimes don’t realize they have reflects, remind them and they can supplement the reflect rotation.

The real limiting factor I find with this method in pugs is not so much reflect rotation, but dps. You’ll get mesmers running defensive staff condi builds, rangers camping long bow (in one of my failed attempts we had a ranger refuse to use a melee weapon because. In his words, he’s a "range"r). You’ll need to judge the dps level of the group as your going through. If its a pretty fast and smooth run, attempt the reflect method If not, kite for your life.

PUGs can do dungeons because
- well tested common knowledge tactics are shared between all the PUG players
- they are designed so that on-level characters with master/rare items can complete them (not 80’s with ascended)
- a few good players can usually carry a group
- PUGs are often successful so good players still do them, perpetuating their quality

Is there anyway to post for a Ta F/U pug such that we get can get ppl in tuned with the burst melee method? Btw, the past few times I tried to communicate stack melee I have at least 2 teammates die immediately after the cutscene. Apparently telling them to stack where I say ready is too difficult.

We’ve tried to get a post stickied, but to no avail :/

Hmmm I was referring to how to post for a TA F/U on gw2lfg. As in what kind of wordings to attract the right group of ppl.

Maybe something “melee zerker only, please know the path”.

Technically pvt is viable as well. Just needs gear where power is the major stat. But maybe it is a mindset thing so thanks I will try next time and see how it goes.

I did see a “meleeing the tree” post for TAFU yesterday on LFG. I should have joined, but I was busy elsewhere.

The last one i posted was for this
“LF4M TA F/U (spiders). Wants to melee burst boss so bring high power gear with some projectile nulling skills. Thanks.”

I wound out having 2 first timers and 2 guys got instagibbed after cutscene. I tried getting them to stack might (guardian to lay fire fields and 2 of the thieves to blast combo into it). I got the thieves to tell me detonating the cluster bombs do not count as blast finishers. Sorry I ranted and I shall shut up now.

Same thing for me, I have done this path many times, tried to help a guildie, asked for people familiar with dungeon meta and what do I get? A bunch of wvw scrubs, 2k A.C., no mini liadri, probably wearing PVT and wondering why we can’t burst any spiders down. “I need it for title” dear lord, practice your dungeon running first. When you wipe on the first set of worms, you know you’re going to be in trouble. I carried the team even though I had doubts. I should have just kicked the bad apples at the start and nipped it right in the bud.

hmmm, could mini liadri be a sign of good play at all?

“LF3M full zerk, whip out liadri on entry please”

Sigh… have to go back to the bank to withdraw the kitten mini.

grumble grumble

There’s this false notion that people who craft up their characters and have 2k experience and cannot beat liadri and use any old condition wvw spec in dungeons are just as good as everyone else and not to be judged. These people cause runs to fail. I’m sorry but that’s the truth. All I do is slum it, man. I PuG every day. I’ve seen this play out dozens of times.

I know that i may be falling for a troll here and I know that what I’m about to write is not nice, but this is just bullkitten:

If Anet is unwilling to change this path I will consider it to be blocking my progress, which in effect means I have no reason to care about moving forward in this game.

There are groups out there that already killed this boss multiple times. If you can not manage to kill the nightmare tree the error does not lie on anets side but on your side. If you like to run your group in a way that can easily compared to your regular sunday evening PUG and are not willing to change anything with that the fault is completely on your side.
Instead of running into the forum and making “completely pointless post#4531” you could start thinking what mistakes YOU may have done.

But you know what? If you really think in that idiotic way maybe it is the best for all if you would move to a different game? Maybe hello kitty online, I don’t think you get anything challenging there.

Chopps.5047:

There’s this false notion that people who craft up their characters and have 2k experience and cannot beat liadri and use any old condition wvw spec in dungeons are just as good as everyone else and not to be judged. These people cause runs to fail. I’m sorry but that’s the truth. All I do is slum it, man. I PuG every day. I’ve seen this play out dozens of times.

sometimes I disagree with you very strenuously but this is a +1 post