Guild Wars 2

So I run dungeons pretty much nightly and do almost all of them. And builds that just seem to peeve me beyond belief are the following

1. Full signet anything but thief (i can live with that as long as they have shadow refuge signet thief helps the deeps.)
2. Warriors that run signets which give buffs only to themselves (might/fury) when they could run the banners and have it be party wide.
3. Rangers/engis that refuse to run the party heals which provide water fields.
4. Meditation guards (shouts/consecrations are always better for parties).
5. Mesmers that have absolutely no clue where the iDisenchanter is on their bar (HP is much better now).

So I am just curious how many people here run “selfish” builds in dungeons meaning builds that do absolutely nothing for your party. If so why do you do that? It does nothing for your party and if anything brings them down some…. There are great weapons/traits/skills that all classes have which are great for the party… So why the full signet builds, why the very begrudgement when someone asks you to run a banner instead of the signet? I guess I just don’t get it. I understand the play how you want mantra but in something like a dungeon shouldn’t the goal be to play as a team?

When i started playing i used to run full signet on my warrior, thats because i used the skills by clicking then with the mouse, even for healing i used to equip the healing signet. Then i started to run healing banners because it was easy to click to cast the banner and you only need to do that once in every 96 secs.

Only after a few months i learned that i should rebind my keys to something easier to use while in combat, that allowed me to use the skills more efficiently.

So i think that full signet players usually are newbies to gw2 or to mmos in general.

Don’t expect pugs to be running team-builds unless you ask for them/state it in your LFG descriptions. People run whatever the frig they want. Usually it’s terrible builds, too.

jportell.2197:

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3. Rangers/engis that refuse to run the party heals which provide water fields.
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5. Mesmers that have absolutely no clue where the iDisenchanter is on their bar (HP is much better now).

How is this selfish? Everyone can heal themselves, and healing whole group doesn’t hurt only ele when swapping attunements. Self heals are better than aoe, because you can move and it often have additional effects for your profession.
And why would mesmer use iDisenchanter instead of many other better utilities? Nobody needs this just for people who can’t handle their own condi removal.
You are selfish expecting people to change their playstyle to focus just on helping you.
When I see how people don’t care when I’m dying under their feet, I understand why others run selfish builds. Bad players, bad players everywhere. Also more and more people level in Living Grindfest or Queensdale train, and they run the same builds in dungeons, because they have no idea about being helpful.

Oh look it’s the mesmers guy. I haven’t had a chance to laugh at you after the repeated nerfs that mesmers received but I’ll do it now.

Hahaha

Paciunek.2496:

How is this selfish? Everyone can heal themselves, and healing whole group doesn’t hurt only ele when swapping attunements. Self heals are better than aoe, because you can move and it often have additional effects for your profession.
And why would mesmer use iDisenchanter instead of many other better utilities? Nobody needs this just for people who can’t handle their own condi removal.
You are selfish expecting people to change their playstyle to focus just on helping you.
When I see how people don’t care when I’m dying under their feet, I understand why others run selfish builds. Bad players, bad players everywhere. Also more and more people level in Living Grindfest or Queensdale train, and they run the same builds in dungeons, because they have no idea about being helpful.

There are a lot of situations where self healing isn’t enough. This is especially true for people running glass cannons. If everyone is running hybrid builds just to have a chance at surviving, dps might suffer too much. Also, healing turret is a very strong heal. It has a large aoe radius, removes two conditions, makes a water field, casts quickly and has a low cooldown. Solo or group, healing turret has a lot of merit.

It isn’t selfish to expect people to play and build like they are in a group when they are in a group. What’s selfish is joining a group while having no desire or intent to work with them.

So, it’s understandable to get more apprehensive about being a team player when you’re with bad players? You do realize that only makes things worse right? Your party members could clearly use assistance that you can provide, but you refuse to give any. How often does that make success more likely?

Woah woah woah. Don’t go generalizing players over your few bad experiences.

Mesmer here (only character since beta). Been running the same build and trait setup for the past six months+.

Mantra of Resolve is now in full force. I love using it more than ever because now I can cleanse my allies. I’ve always ran with Signet of Inspiration, which I always activate to give my allies boons etc. (although I’m still iffy if it’s working correctly).

I do mostly focus on DPS with a 20/30/20/0/0 setup and traits + upgrades that cater to crit damage, prec and might stacks. All in all, I’ve always been able to get the job done and support my group accordingly.

But I think I’ve gone and rambled at this point. xD So uhhh… yea…

jportell.2197:

So I run dungeons pretty much nightly and do almost all of them. And builds that just seem to peeve ……..
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……. I understand the play how you want mantra but in something like a dungeon shouldn’t the goal be to play as a team?

Not everyone enjoys to support their teammates with their abilities. You choose how you want to build your character, and even if this means discarding some support that would’ve been a big advantage then that’s just the way you choose to play and enjoy the game.

In regards to iDisenchanter, I think that there are other options that are better before needing to equip it. The problem with it is that you’re cutting into your DPS with it. I usually default to Null Field for condition cleansing.

disenchanter is good for the golem in coe, thats about it.

Tei.1704:

There are a lot of situations where self healing isn’t enough. This is especially true for people running glass cannons. If everyone is running hybrid builds just to have a chance at surviving, dps might suffer too much. Also, healing turret is a very strong heal. It has a large aoe radius, removes two conditions, makes a water field, casts quickly and has a low cooldown. Solo or group, healing turret has a lot of merit.

It isn’t selfish to expect people to play and build like they are in a group when they are in a group. What’s selfish is joining a group while having no desire or intent to work with them.

So, it’s understandable to get more apprehensive about being a team player when you’re with bad players? You do realize that only makes things worse right? Your party members could clearly use assistance that you can provide, but you refuse to give any. How often does that make success more likely?

What situations? I can’t recall any. I’m using glass cannon builds on every character excluding guardian and I don’t need anybody to heal or buff me. It’s nice, but it’s not something to be expected from pugs. Every profession have its own ways to survive, and wannabe supports are annoying because I expect fast run without problems, not long run with tons of unnecessary healing. Focus on your own damage and survival; if you play well, it shouldn’t be a problem. If it is, you should consider changing your build or gear.
Also I didn’t said I’m playing selfish build. Actually I like being useful, unlike many people, but I don’t demand any support from my team (and usually don’t get any). But if they’re good players, they’ll play well and that’s enough for me.
Topics like this are only for whining: someone died in dungeon and is frustrated, because it’s others fault, not his. Where’s your Disenchanter?!

If you need heals from other party members you should learn to dodge.

spoj.9672:

disenchanter is good for the golem in coe, thats about it.

That’s exactly the situation i am talking about too.

Blackmoon.6837:

Woah woah woah. Don’t go generalizing players over your few bad experiences.

Mesmer here (only character since beta). Been running the same build and trait setup for the past six months+.

Mantra of Resolve is now in full force. I love using it more than ever because now I can cleanse my allies. I’ve always ran with Signet of Inspiration, which I always activate to give my allies boons etc. (although I’m still iffy if it’s working correctly).

I do mostly focus on DPS with a 20/30/20/0/0 setup and traits + upgrades that cater to crit damage, prec and might stacks. All in all, I’ve always been able to get the job done and support my group accordingly.

But I think I’ve gone and rambled at this point. xD So uhhh… yea…

Which is great! This one isn’t directed at you then

DivineSlayer.5039:

If you need heals from other party members you should learn to dodge.

It’s not that I need heals. I run a knights/zerker hammer staff guard with good group healing and perma AOE protection with the hammer symbol.

What is nice though is seeing a ranger or engi have a waterfield that I can blast for nice AOE group heals. If it’s the ranger I can blast it twice before it disappears. That is a very nice situation to have you see.

Paciunek.2496:

Tei.1704:

There are a lot of situations where self healing isn’t enough. This is especially true for people running glass cannons. If everyone is running hybrid builds just to have a chance at surviving, dps might suffer too much. Also, healing turret is a very strong heal. It has a large aoe radius, removes two conditions, makes a water field, casts quickly and has a low cooldown. Solo or group, healing turret has a lot of merit.

It isn’t selfish to expect people to play and build like they are in a group when they are in a group. What’s selfish is joining a group while having no desire or intent to work with them.

So, it’s understandable to get more apprehensive about being a team player when you’re with bad players? You do realize that only makes things worse right? Your party members could clearly use assistance that you can provide, but you refuse to give any. How often does that make success more likely?

What situations? I can’t recall any. I’m using glass cannon builds on every character excluding guardian and I don’t need anybody to heal or buff me. It’s nice, but it’s not something to be expected from pugs. Every profession have its own ways to survive, and wannabe supports are annoying because I expect fast run without problems, not long run with tons of unnecessary healing. Focus on your own damage and survival; if you play well, it shouldn’t be a problem. If it is, you should consider changing your build or gear.
Also I didn’t said I’m playing selfish build. Actually I like being useful, unlike many people, but I don’t demand any support from my team (and usually don’t get any). But if they’re good players, they’ll play well and that’s enough for me.
Topics like this are only for whining: someone died in dungeon and is frustrated, because it’s others fault, not his. Where’s your Disenchanter?!

In dungeons, I am the last one in my group to die. I still crit for high amounts have good survive, and good support. It’s annoying when you are in a pug group and have one mesmer in it. You ask the mesmer “Hey can you use the disenchanter on this boss it works really well at stripping the protection.” then here crickets…. And just hope they slotted it on their bar. Then you see they didnt and ask… “Main handsword?” And get a sharp “Im condi build MH sword is useless!” So now group overall DPS is significantly lowered from someone either A.) taking time to kill the protection turret or B..) trying to power through it even though that will not work at all.

And banner warrior has nothing to do with survival but upping peoples DPS. Any combo field is pretty much useful especially fire and water those two are the most useful in this game hands down.

Razor.6392:

Oh look it’s the mesmers guy. I haven’t had a chance to laugh at you after the repeated nerfs that mesmers received but I’ll do it now.

Hahaha

BLAH BLAH BLAH… And exactly where does Ele stand in pvp… Also not maining mesmer atm maining guard. But mesmer still needs work.

jportell.2197:

DivineSlayer.5039:

If you need heals from other party members you should learn to dodge.

It’s not that I need heals. I run a knights/zerker hammer staff guard with good group healing and perma AOE protection with the hammer symbol.

What is nice though is seeing a ranger or engi have a waterfield that I can blast for nice AOE group heals. If it’s the ranger I can blast it twice before it disappears. That is a very nice situation to have you see.

lol you need to get a good build as well.

DivineSlayer.5039:

jportell.2197:

DivineSlayer.5039:

If you need heals from other party members you should learn to dodge.

It’s not that I need heals. I run a knights/zerker hammer staff guard with good group healing and perma AOE protection with the hammer symbol.

What is nice though is seeing a ranger or engi have a waterfield that I can blast for nice AOE group heals. If it’s the ranger I can blast it twice before it disappears. That is a very nice situation to have you see.

lol you need to get a good build as well.

Knights/zerk combo with ruby orbs on the armor is bad? Guaranteed 100% crit damage is bad? AOE protection from hammer is bad? Staff support is bad? Shouts and consecrations are bad? Actively swapping skills and weapons depending on the fight unlike half the pugs I group with is bad? Wow I must be terrible.
I bring no DPS, no support, no group condi clear, no boons (HA!), and no reflects… (sarcasm).

Yeah I’m so bad with my consistent crits granting might to allies permanently…. Anytime I build for dungeons I think (What does the group need?)
And if people give me suggestions on my build when they ask what I run (which btw is 0/0/30/20/20) I take them into consideration and ask what they do for the group. The only concession I make is every now and then switching to 10 points around depending on which dungeon but that build gives good group support as well as good damage…

jportell.2197:

DivineSlayer.5039:

jportell.2197:

DivineSlayer.5039:

If you need heals from other party members you should learn to dodge.

It’s not that I need heals. I run a knights/zerker hammer staff guard with good group healing and perma AOE protection with the hammer symbol.

What is nice though is seeing a ranger or engi have a waterfield that I can blast for nice AOE group heals. If it’s the ranger I can blast it twice before it disappears. That is a very nice situation to have you see.

lol you need to get a good build as well.

Knights/zerk combo with ruby orbs on the armor is bad? Guaranteed 100% crit damage is bad? AOE protection from hammer is bad? Staff support is bad? Shouts and consecrations are bad? Actively swapping skills and weapons depending on the fight unlike half the pugs I group with is bad? Wow I must be terrible.
I bring no DPS, no support, no group condi clear, no boons (HA!), and no reflects… (sarcasm).

Yeah I’m so bad with my consistent crits granting might to allies permanently…. Anytime I build for dungeons I think (What does the group need?)
And if people give me suggestions on my build when they ask what I run (which btw is 0/0/30/20/20) I take them into consideration and ask what they do for the group. The only concession I make is every now and then switching to 10 points around depending on which dungeon but that build gives good group support as well as good damage…

Yes.

Ye knights gear and 0/0/30/20/20 is bad.

spoj.9672:

Ye knights gear and 0/0/30/20/20 is bad.

Still out performs every other build like the full zerk meditation guards that drop consistently and I know what is coming “THEY still out DPS you when dead.” uh yah they don’t my hammer crits for a consistent 4-5k with auto (hammer guard is best DPS for guardian if you disagree you wrong.) The 30 into valor allows strength in numbers (which means alot for certain other classes) plus retributive armor and purity. If i really feel the need to I can swap to AH but rarely do.
The knights stats are to draw aggro so the others that are full glass can just dance around the boss. And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

And I dont care if everyone and their mom says “your build is bad don’t take that l2p noob” if you offer something to the group be it a trait that gives a stat bonus (empower allies, spotter, strength in numbers), Fields and blasts (fire/water) , Reflects/missile absorption, boon support, condi clear, or group heals you are great with me.

The builds I am having issues with are the ones that do absolutely jack diddly squat for the group. Every single class in this game brings something for support. I am not asking for everyone to be a hard core dungeon “l33t” build. Because then everyone would do four warriors and a mes/guard. I’m asking classes to realize that even if they don’t have the greatest group support they can still bring something besides their auto attack to parties.

jportell.2197:

spoj.9672:

Ye knights gear and 0/0/30/20/20 is bad.

Still out performs every other build like the full zerk meditation guards that drop consistently and I know what is coming “THEY still out DPS you when dead.” uh yah they don’t my hammer crits for a consistent 4-5k with auto (hammer guard is best DPS for guardian if you disagree you wrong.) The 30 into valor allows strength in numbers (which means alot for certain other classes) plus retributive armor and purity. If i really feel the need to I can swap to AH but rarely do.
The knights stats are to draw aggro so the others that are full glass can just dance around the boss. And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

And I dont care if everyone and their mom says “your build is bad don’t take that l2p noob” if you offer something to the group be it a trait that gives a stat bonus (empower allies, spotter, strength in numbers), Fields and blasts (fire/water) , Reflects/missile absorption, boon support, condi clear, or group heals you are great with me.

The builds I am having issues with are the ones that do absolutely jack diddly squat for the group. Every single class in this game brings something for support. I am not asking for everyone to be a hard core dungeon “l33t” build. Because then everyone would do four warriors and a mes/guard. I’m asking classes to realize that even if they don’t have the greatest group support they can still bring something besides their auto attack to parties.

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

DivineSlayer.5039:

jportell.2197:

spoj.9672:

Ye knights gear and 0/0/30/20/20 is bad.

Still out performs every other build like the full zerk meditation guards that drop consistently and I know what is coming “THEY still out DPS you when dead.” uh yah they don’t my hammer crits for a consistent 4-5k with auto (hammer guard is best DPS for guardian if you disagree you wrong.) The 30 into valor allows strength in numbers (which means alot for certain other classes) plus retributive armor and purity. If i really feel the need to I can swap to AH but rarely do.
The knights stats are to draw aggro so the others that are full glass can just dance around the boss. And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

And I dont care if everyone and their mom says “your build is bad don’t take that l2p noob” if you offer something to the group be it a trait that gives a stat bonus (empower allies, spotter, strength in numbers), Fields and blasts (fire/water) , Reflects/missile absorption, boon support, condi clear, or group heals you are great with me.

The builds I am having issues with are the ones that do absolutely jack diddly squat for the group. Every single class in this game brings something for support. I am not asking for everyone to be a hard core dungeon “l33t” build. Because then everyone would do four warriors and a mes/guard. I’m asking classes to realize that even if they don’t have the greatest group support they can still bring something besides their auto attack to parties.

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

And does your warrior run 5 signets full zerk? What about your ele do you actually use it to stack might for your party or do you just fall over dead always? Are you a mesmer that DOESN’T run focus? If so perfect example of a bad player GG. I understand that full zerk is the “way to go” for most classes but In my experiences and the group I run with consistently that is able to farm COE, CM, Arah etc. With no problems.

Selfish builds that bring nothing to groups are perfect examples of bad players GG lol.

I am not sure about the hammer cleave but with axe warrior i can position myself between the turret and the golem (without target) to hit both at the same time, it usually takes 2 AA chains to destroy it. With your build it will take you like 3 minutes tho, and having another player knowing this to help you in a pug is harder than finding a mesmer to support you with his disenchanter. I think you can use shield of the avenger to help a bit more in this fight too but i am not sure.

Nosoyelarty.7268:

I am not sure about the hammer cleave but with axe warrior i can position myself between the turret and the golem (without target) to hit both at the same time, it usually takes 2 AA chains to destroy it. With your build it will take you like 3 minutes tho, and having another player knowing this to help you in a pug is harder than finding a mesmer to support you with his disenchanter. I think you can use shield of the avenger to help a bit more in this fight too but i am not sure.

In that fight I use SOA and WOR. Also my hammer AA can destroy it in about two chains as well…. And is it really also so hard to find a mesmer with MH sword? I mean seriously lol.

jportell.2197:

DivineSlayer.5039:

jportell.2197:

spoj.9672:

Ye knights gear and 0/0/30/20/20 is bad.

Still out performs every other build like the full zerk meditation guards that drop consistently and I know what is coming “THEY still out DPS you when dead.” uh yah they don’t my hammer crits for a consistent 4-5k with auto (hammer guard is best DPS for guardian if you disagree you wrong.) The 30 into valor allows strength in numbers (which means alot for certain other classes) plus retributive armor and purity. If i really feel the need to I can swap to AH but rarely do.
The knights stats are to draw aggro so the others that are full glass can just dance around the boss. And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

And I dont care if everyone and their mom says “your build is bad don’t take that l2p noob” if you offer something to the group be it a trait that gives a stat bonus (empower allies, spotter, strength in numbers), Fields and blasts (fire/water) , Reflects/missile absorption, boon support, condi clear, or group heals you are great with me.

The builds I am having issues with are the ones that do absolutely jack diddly squat for the group. Every single class in this game brings something for support. I am not asking for everyone to be a hard core dungeon “l33t” build. Because then everyone would do four warriors and a mes/guard. I’m asking classes to realize that even if they don’t have the greatest group support they can still bring something besides their auto attack to parties.

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

And does your warrior run 5 signets full zerk? What about your ele do you actually use it to stack might for your party or do you just fall over dead always? Are you a mesmer that DOESN’T run focus? If so perfect example of a bad player GG. I understand that full zerk is the “way to go” for most classes but In my experiences and the group I run with consistently that is able to farm COE, CM, Arah etc. With no problems.

Selfish builds that bring nothing to groups are perfect examples of bad players GG lol.

No my zerk warrior doesn’t run 5 signets, yes my ele stacks might/fury, and yes my Mesmer runs focus. So no I’m not a terrible player like you. GG.

It seems we have somebody who is unwilling to take criticism of his build and is choosing to just get angry at anyone who dares to tell him it isn’t as good as he think it is.

Still out performs every other build like the full zerk meditation guards that drop consistently

Players downing with a build doesn’t make it bad, otherwise that means everyone should run full sentinel builds with defensive traits so they can “outperform” the zerkers by staying alive. Trouble is … you will be doing poor damage while you’re alive.

uh yah they don’t my hammer crits for a consistent 4-5k with auto (hammer guard is best DPS for guardian if you disagree you wrong.)

Considering top guardian DPS is around 12k, if you hit a consistent (I just chose the in-between) 4.5k that means you’re doing 5.4k DPS which isn’t even half of a guardian’s potential. Good DPS? I think not.

The 30 into valor allows strength in numbers (which means alot for certain other classes) plus retributive armor and purity. If i really feel the need to I can swap to AH but rarely do.

Strength in numbers is the only valour trait worth taking, and even then it means giving up better traits so …. it’s not really worth it at all. Retributive armour and purity are just junk traits considering zerk + scholar rune guards are going to have zero extra toughness but will peak out on critical chance anyway.

The knights stats are to draw aggro so the others that are full glass can just dance around the boss. And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

Generally what happens is that bosses are drawn to toughness initially but then focus on the target which is dealing the highest damage. What this means, is that you’ll lose aggro because your DPS is terrible. In addition to this, there’s not much to gain from aggroing a boss if you’re all stacked in a spot since if the boss cleaves you’re all going to eat damage regardless.

And that stat works on several bosses who’s main way of aggroing is based on toughness and my dps doesn’t suffer at all.

Yes, I’m pretty sure using armour which has toughness as primary stat and doesn’t boost critical damage will make it so your dps, quote on quote “doesn’t suffer at all”.

The builds I am having issues with are the ones that do absolutely jack diddly squat for the group. Every single class in this game brings something for support. I am not asking for everyone to be a hard core dungeon “l33t” build. Because then everyone would do four warriors and a mes/guard.

Except you’re better off with a thief/ele if you want more dps, and mesmers are pretty trash in dungeons anyway. I thought we’d moved on from people thinking 4w/1g was optimal, but apparently not.

Are you a mesmer that DOESN’T run focus? If so perfect example of a bad player GG.

I’m pretty sure focus isn’t necessary if you don’t need reflects. If the boss is in an open space, focus gets even worse because the boss will get pushed out of range of phantasmal warden. Maybe you should actually do some research before being condescending towards others, swordsman and duelist will out-DPS a warden consistently.

In that fight I use SOA and WOR. Also my hammer AA can destroy it in about two chains as well…. And is it really also so hard to find a mesmer with MH sword? I mean seriously lol.

So it takes you 5 seconds? I’m pretty sure a full berserker guardian could do it quicker.

You see, the problem with your build is that not only have you wasted thirty points in valour, but you’ve given up damage modifiers. Fiery wrath and that other 10%+ modifier for enemies with conditions. Damage modifiers are crucial to boosting damage and you’re not taking them for some unknown reason. 20 points in virtues also means no power of the virtuous, which means you lose another X%. Points in honour beyond 10 is pretty questionable too, since pure of voice is unnecessary, empowering might only gives short term stacks (that override long-term stacks), two-handed mastery is pointless with hammer which I think leaves you with faster shout CDs and larger symbols for the prot symbol. That frees up points you can use in zeal for 10%+ damage, and getting rid of valour which pointless gives you a ton of extra points.

Now excuse me, I have a one hour cooldown between posts so it’ll take me a while to get back to you if you reply.

jportell.2197:

In that fight I use SOA and WOR. Also my hammer AA can destroy it in about two chains as well…. And is it really also so hard to find a mesmer with MH sword? I mean seriously lol.

Just FYI, when people call you a noob and you respond by saying you use WOR on an encounter when WOR does absolutely nothing… it doesn’t help.

Why the Selfish Builds?
Guardian
0/0/30/20/20

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Disenchanter is really bad. Null Field is so much better.

Zenith.7301:

Disenchanter is really bad. Null Field is so much better.

For the specific boss fight in COE which is the sentry golem, iDisenchanter is better. It has a fast attack rate, good HP and a much shorter CD than nullfield.

You use both on the golem. Use nullfield while using timewarp.

spoj.9672:

You use both on the golem. Use nullfield while using timewarp.

Both is better than one or the other however. In this situation if the mesmer only slots one of them disenchanter>null field.

I use troll unguent on my ranger because it heals better and my teammates can actually stay alive without the water field. You mad, bro?

Interesting. jportell, not only have you gotten angry at people who may have ridiculed your build, but you’ve even ignored my constructive criticism entirely, and it’s a very special day when I make a post that isn’t aggressive, and yet you don’t even grace it with a response.

If you could go over it and respond to each of my points that would be great.

I’m a little annoyed I had to waste a post saying this, because now I can’t reply to anything else for the next hour.

DivineSlayer.5039:

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

“Lol gg”? What is this? Call of Duty forum?

People need to keep in mind that there’s a difference between building to run with great playes/guildies, and building to run with terrible pugs.
And by terrible I don’t mean jportell build, but mesmers camping gs at 1200 range during the golem fight.

Upham.6137:

DivineSlayer.5039:

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

“Lol gg”? What is this? Call of Duty forum?

People need to keep in mind that there’s a difference between building to run with great playes/guildies, and building to run with terrible pugs.
And by terrible I don’t mean jportell build, but mesmers camping gs at 1200 range during the golem fight.

Lol GG.

lol gg wp. lowbob.

lol at OP talking about selfish builds then saying he runs AH… zzzzz

The whole mentality of AH being ‘selfish’ still makes me laugh.

Please enlighten me on how AH isnt selfish. What does it do to help your teammates?

If you run anything other than zerker meta your being selfish and taking away from your team.

Upham.6137:

“Lol gg”? What is this? Call of Duty forum?

People need to keep in mind that there’s a difference between building to run with great playes/guildies, and building to run with terrible pugs.
And by terrible I don’t mean jportell build, but mesmers camping gs at 1200 range during the golem fight.

So you would drop DPS and utility in order to get tankier thus making the pug you’re in actually worse? Guess i’ll just quote DivineSlayer:

Lol gg. This is a perfect example of a terrible player.

spoj.9672:

Please enlighten me on how AH isnt selfish. What does it do to help your teammates?

AH encourages you to throw out as many group boons as possible,
Group boons=team support. Just because you get a bonus from it doesn’t mean its selfish. Also the DPS from running 25 into zeal compared to 30 in Valor is not a huge difference. And it makes all the difference in the world based off aggro mechanics and group support. (lookin atchu strenght in numbers.)

You can use boons even without AH.

25 in Zeal is also terrible and no good DPS dungeon guardian uses that.

I’ll admit it’s, uh… a bit embarassing. Talking about selfish builds and…
Anyway, it’s not a terrible build, at least he isn’t playing scepter/torch or something.
It takes a while for pugs to pick up “meta” builds, they’re always a few months behind. Also not interacting with good people slows down progression. He’ll get there eventually, I hope. I see some progress.
I love making fun of bad builds, but I always keep in mind that calling someone terrible is going to have him go super-defensive; giving advice while he’s in shield mode with his soldier tank gear up isn’t going to do any good. Just sayin’.
Yeah, I know, it’s so funny when they freak out and start posting walls of text to defend a bad build. I know. I’ve been there.
I’m trying to change!
Lol, nobody believes that. Ok, fine.
So yeah, dear OP, quit the defensive stance, listen to what colesy said and at least try out the 15/15 hammer build with proper gear, you’ll be doing the same support but with more damage. It’s always good to improve, rite?
If you criticise selfish builds everyone expects you to play highly efficient ones to give everything you have to the team. Everything, so every single bit of dps and utility you can dish out. Why would you play a non optimal build if you like being selfless? You don’t need an organised team to play dps, so give ‘em all you got.
On an unrelated note, I’ve never seen a zerk meditation guardian. Luckily so because I would’ve had a heart attack and I wouldn’t be here typing now.
Bad guardians hurt my feelings more than bad warriors or bad thieves.
P.S. What the hell? I always see wor reflecting back the damage from golum’s kd projectile. Have I been high all this time?

jportell.2197:

spoj.9672:

Please enlighten me on how AH isnt selfish. What does it do to help your teammates?

AH encourages you to throw out as many group boons as possible,
Group boons=team support. Just because you get a bonus from it doesn’t mean its selfish. Also the DPS from running 25 into zeal compared to 30 in Valor is not a huge difference. And it makes all the difference in the world based off aggro mechanics and group support. (lookin atchu strenght in numbers.)

You shouldn’t need any more encouragement to use boons than whatever the situation demands. Why should you, for example want to be throwing boons out against subject alpha when the only relevant one is aegis and condition removal? Using hold the line or stand your ground for AH procs is just bad play. Also, could you answer my post a little further up where I broke down the issues with your build? You’re not showing much interest in trying to improve as a player by completely ignoring my perfectly fair and constructive advice.

colesy.8490:

jportell.2197:

spoj.9672:

Please enlighten me on how AH isnt selfish. What does it do to help your teammates?

AH encourages you to throw out as many group boons as possible,
Group boons=team support. Just because you get a bonus from it doesn’t mean its selfish. Also the DPS from running 25 into zeal compared to 30 in Valor is not a huge difference. And it makes all the difference in the world based off aggro mechanics and group support. (lookin atchu strenght in numbers.)

You shouldn’t need any more encouragement to use boons than whatever the situation demands. Why should you, for example want to be throwing boons out against subject alpha when the only relevant one is aegis and condition removal? Using hold the line or stand your ground for AH procs is just bad play. Also, could you answer my post a little further up where I broke down the issues with your build? You’re not showing much interest in trying to improve as a player by completely ignoring my perfectly fair and constructive advice.

Butbutbut syg for condition removal. <3

when in PUGs I use WoR to reflect the KD projectile when SoA is down. Does pretty good (~18k) damage and protects the team.