Guild Wars 2

I don’t know what others general raiders experiences were for this wing esp in cm. This is one wing that I dont enjoy at all in cm. I hv done b1 & b2 cm, I’m still missing cm b3 & b4. One of the worse experience i have to get cm done especially to pug it. Most toxic you see in players and a recipe to all kind of dramas. My wing 1,2&3 experience was way better… More ppl enjoy playing it than bad feedbacks.
B3 cm still contain many bugs which doesn’t help.

i prefer wing 4 over other wings. i like CM, shame it rewards only once.

Boss 3 CM is cancer with all the bugs like the human exploding/invuln walking, key/lock mechanic desync so people see themselves standing on each other but the server says otherwise etc

Couldn’t disagree more tbh. I’ve been really liking the CMs. Boss 1 i found a bit annoying but ok. Boss 2 CM makes the fight actually fun and somewhat challenging instead of the dps golem it is in normal. Boss 3 CM has a nice dps check and i just liked the gameplay of it. Really need to stay focused and keep dodging his attacks and do the buddy stuff, good coördination on the split phases is really important too. Boss4 CM is an absolute treat, really the icing on the cake. Great challenging fight with great mechanics and it asks for communication and coördination, as raids should. Might be my fav fight in gw2 raids.

I would argue against pugging it, i feel like challenging content where you expect to wipe a lot is content you want to do with people you’re familiar with.

I really enjoyed cm 4. CM
1 was incredibly simple once you got used to spamming the special action.
2 was meh, we had to alter our dps in a way so that blue and spikes would sync up. All in all, pretty easy.
3 is absolute aids. It’s littered with bugs and has incredibly un-fun mechanics.
4 I really liked Deimos CM, probably more than the actual fight. You had to figure out how to block the attacks, we tried a bunch of different things before we ended up with the same metacomp with double precogs.

My overall impression of the wing is pretty decent. Only issue is that the fights are soooooooo repetetive. Very few actual mechanics outside of maybe Claim / Dispell on boss 2. Boss 1 melts in about 4 seconds to any decent team. Boss 3 is just an hp sponge on normal. No way any team should wipe on it.
Boss 4 is still pretty decent on CM, I wouldve liked CM to be normal though and added a few extra mechanics to the actual Challenge Mote version though.
Wing 1 still best wing though.

Hated boss 1 CM. Just feels trollish, not fun. Boss 2 CM is just amazing tho, really adds depth to the fight. Honestly it’s how the fight should be on normal mode imo. Haven’t successfully done the 3rd boss CM, just spent like half an hour on it, didn’t rly have time to rly form an opinion. Seems fun is all I can say. 4th boss CM is honestly almost the same as normal mode. Not much changes.

Talindra.4958:

Well I’m trying to do cm b4 first before b3. It is doable but having to pug esp for oceanic players in EU server it’s very unforgiving. Thinking to switch sever to NA just to get this done and switch back after but then there’s uncertainty on that server too as I hv been in EU since beta… Well since gw1 actually. Any feedback from oceanic players in NA pug raids and accessibility?

And yes love wing 1. Can do it without issues and hv less pain with pug

I’m Oceanic playing on NA, ping is around 250, 200 if you have NBN, 300+ if you have optus (kek).

There isn’t a massive OCX population though so trying to pug CM during our prime time is pretty much impossible. SEA time there’s more people playing so you could try then I guess but the best might be NA prime.

Still haven’t tried every CM but so far it’s the wing I enjoyed the most!

Zaraki I don’t mind normal mode it wasnt too bad with pugs for me last week. Done 123 boss in one go and 3tries 4th boss for me last week. Cm is different story with pugs

Talindra.4958:

Zaraki I don’t mind normal mode it wasnt too bad with pugs for me last week. Done 123 boss in one go and 3tries 4th boss for me last week. Cm is different story with pugs

So your critique of the Challenge Motes is that they’re challenging and not 1-shottable with pugs? Because, that’s kind of because the idea behind the Challenge Motes.

Talindra.4958:

I don’t know what others general raiders experiences were for this wing esp in cm. This is one wing that I dont enjoy at all in cm. I hv done b1 & b2 cm, I’m still missing cm b3 & b4. *One of the worse experience i have to get cm done especially to pug it. *Most toxic you see in players and a recipe to all kind of dramas. My wing 1,2&3 experience was way better… More ppl enjoy playing it than bad feedbacks.
B3 cm still contain many bugs which doesn’t help.

That’s why. Guilds go a long way for CM.

Did Boss 1 CM first time, took ..around 1.5 hrs. Re-did it second time for some folks, one shot it.

Boss 2 CM took 2 hours before we finally got the kill, but that’s because of bad rng / mistimed blues with spikes.

The other two bosses will probably go the same for us. Got Boss 4 CM down below 10% and below 25% plenty of times.

PUGs are great for Normal mode though, you can blaze past the first three bosses, the fourth one requires more coordination, but nothing that can’t be pulled off.

Talindra.4958:

Fishball.. i usually get all wings clear soon after reset. Bcos there’s a handful of EU players doing raids in their morning time at reset on Monday .. which is Australian time 5.30pm (after I return from work) . .. you can jump in and jump out of squad from LFG to get raids done during that time within 2hours w1to3. That’s why I am a bit unsure about the playtime in NA. Though I know i will get better ping.

Oh reset raids are abundant on LFG as long as you have LI and killproof i think you’ll be fine. Not sure how skill compares on NA to EU though.

530pm/630pm (Syd/Bris) reset has a lot of people so no need to worry much about that.

Only issue is Boss 3 CM, and that’s because of the ridiculous number of bugs.

yeah samarog is buggy and the rigom phase isn’t fun at all. total aids

All the CM bosses are fine, way better than the normal mode ones. I enjoy them way more then the normal ones as the CM’s make the fights a bit harder. The avarage pug is a bad player so that you can’t complete it with pugs doesn’t really surprise me, but that is not the problem of the content imo, but the problem is the players playing the content.

Also the Samarog fight isn’t that buggy anymore, only thing i saw that is buggy is that when samarog phases and he does the attack that removes all the spears, he litterally stands there for 20 seconds doing nothing being invunerable, after that the fight continious as normal.

All the rest of what i think you are reffering to as ‘buggy’ is either fixed by now or is just people failing to execute mechanics properly.

lol, no. it’s buggy as hell.
- phase skipping (no rigom phase)
- phase repeat (respawn rigom and guldhem after you finish them)
- rigom bugs and clunkiness
- holes in terrain making rigom stuck and difficult to retrieve
- cc phase can be entirely skipped if he jumps on the fixated person that at the same time gets downed (maybe not a bug but odd)
- when he runs behind spears, stops when spears clear from map, wasting timer time

Sublimatio.6981:

lol, no. it’s buggy as hell.
- phase skipping (no rigom phase)
- phase repeat (respawn rigom and guldhem after you finish them)
- rigom bugs and clunkiness
- holes in terrain making rigom stuck and difficult to retrieve
- cc phase can be entirely skipped if he jumps on the fixated person that at the same time gets downed (maybe not a bug but odd)
- when he runs behind spears, stops when spears clear from map, wasting timer time

- Rigom not making Guldhem vulnurable even though he blew up inside of Samarog
- Not running all the way to the spears at 66% and 33% but rather stops halfway
- Spear mechanic being client side instead of server side making it unreliable to actually dodge them

Talindra.4958:

Zaraki I don’t mind normal mode it wasnt too bad with pugs for me last week. Done 123 boss in one go and 3tries 4th boss for me last week. Cm is different story with pugs

If you want to do general considerations of a wing you must take into account the normal mode mostly, since CMs are just marginal, one time adds. That said, considering only the normal mode, it’s my favourite wing.
Some of the prevoius bosses also had a CM and what you say applies there too, try doing Sab’s CM or Sloth’s, or Mattias’s, with pugs it’s still hell, no different from w4.

These challenge modes, with the exclusion of Cairn, seem to be their best attempt to create something one would have a lot of trouble to pug. Already took quite a bit of effort to finish them twice due to the new title. Don’t want to think about how annoying pugging all of that would have been.
Wasn’t too sure about the wing at first but it really grew on me. The CM encounters, excluding Cairn once again, are interesting and enjoyable. Could do without all of the bugs and the RNG, though.
Additionally, the challenge modes should be repeatable. Not like most groups would actually bother to do them all the time during regular clears.

The second CM is the only real annoying one with the huge RNG factor. But otherwise everything else is very well done and adds a good amount of challenge. The whole “WE DID IT AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!” feeling is just the right amount.

Savacli… imo second boss cm is the easiest… I did it twice with pug team.. it didn’t cause too much tears
3rd one is sheet… We got to 5% yesterday..

I agree there; the mechanic is the easiest. I just don’t like the whole “RNG – The Game” feel to it.

well…. this is one of MANY bug in Samarog CM (video link below). we also have encountered many times where Rigom doesn’t stay and walk out even when he die under the boss, Jotun doesn’t loose shield.. this is very very annoying. and very exhausting.
good news for us is, we got this boss today, no more B3 cm for me. Not looking back. its terrible. I hv spent 8-10 hours of wiping in this boss spread out in 3 days. but yeh cheers to all in the group. we got this boss done finally. good luck to all the others that is still trying.

https://youtu.be/MhRZTIpljXA

I see my static group improves as a whole since we killed Deimos CM. We deviated from the notion of “playing qT meta or none at all”/ “my DPS is real important” to experimenting different builds, gear sets and strategies to suit our unique strength and weakness. Despite the tension and salt level after 20 hours of wiping, we made bold decisions of swapping people from traditional roles to fulfill other key roles, changed our way of active communications and woke ourselves up from the slumber of auto-piloting through old days of weekly clears.

I agree, pugging CM will have too many salt but if you have a group of friends and progress through it, it’s one of the better experience in GW2.

Yup iris. CM content designed with intention to give players more depth into harder content.. totally agree that. My exp in cm with other wings weren’t as tedious as this new wing.. mainly bcos of the bugs..
Also a static team with positive attitude is important. I hv moved to NA and joined a group of very nice ppl to play with. Experience is better having to play with group of nice ppl. Anet should look into solving the bug issues too if they can bcos 1 of 4 runs in b3 we hit a bug that totally stuff up our best aimed timing for phase.. ah well :p we done this boss so not looking back now hehe

If you’re only there for ez loot you won’t find cm fun. The fun of cm isn’t the process of incremental improvement as you gain experience: it’s the joy and euphoria you get when you finally overcome the boss. Without the challenge and the difficulty you wouldn’t get that euphoric reaction to killing it. If you’re the type who doesn’t find joy in overcoming adversity Im sorry t9 say the content isn’t for you. And that’s fine, not everything can please everybody all the time.

I like the CM, but also had bad experience pugging it. Its fine for premades, it sux for pugs.

mazut.4296:

I like the CM, but also had bad experience pugging it. Its fine for premades, it sux for pugs.

…that… that… that, uh, sounds like it is working as intended, then. “The most challenging content is much easier with a coordinated group that know how to work together, than for a bunch of strangers.”

NikeEU.7690:

If you’re only there for ez loot you won’t find cm fun. The fun of cm isn’t the process of incremental improvement as you gain experience: it’s the joy and euphoria you get when you finally overcome the boss. Without the challenge and the difficulty you wouldn’t get that euphoric reaction to killing it. If you’re the type who doesn’t find joy in overcoming adversity Im sorry t9 say the content isn’t for you. And that’s fine, not everything can please everybody all the time.

While I totally agree with you that this is the point of CM, I sadly have not felt that when killing either of the two bosses I have killed on CM (Cairn and Samarog, that’s right Samarog). I think this has too do for two different reasons:

1) There is an easier version of the boss that I have killed thus a “first kill” feeling for the boss is not there.
2) On the fights I have done so far, it is more of a waiting game for the other 9 people to “git gud” while I perfectly execute the boss each time. On Cairn it totally was always myself and 2 people not getting hit each time I did that boss until I killed it. I don’t know how many times I have kited Deimos and watching people still somehow manage to stand in black or fail to get in green. The one group that actually let me DPS Deimos on CM I thought “my god, this is easy.” For Samarog, after an hour it was easy fighting him, dealing with Bugom was more challenging than anything.

The Challenge motes have yet to give the reaction that killing Xera, Sabatha, Matthias, or even Deimos, for the first time did. The feeling they seem to give is a “thank god I never have to do that again but sadly I will because I’ll get dragged to it” feeling.

MrTJpwnz.4710:

All the CM bosses are fine, way better than the normal mode ones. I enjoy them way more then the normal ones as the CM’s make the fights a bit harder. The avarage pug is a bad player so that you can’t complete it with pugs doesn’t really surprise me, but that is not the problem of the content imo, but the problem is the players playing the content.

Also the Samarog fight isn’t that buggy anymore, only thing i saw that is buggy is that when samarog phases and he does the attack that removes all the spears, he litterally stands there for 20 seconds doing nothing being invunerable, after that the fight continious as normal.

All the rest of what i think you are reffering to as ‘buggy’ is either fixed by now or is just people failing to execute mechanics properly.

You either haven’t done the fight or your really lucky.

Did it 2 days ago, on one attempt after we killed the 2 spawns they just respawned and we had to kill them again.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

MrTJpwnz.4710:

All the CM bosses are fine, way better than the normal mode ones. I enjoy them way more then the normal ones as the CM’s make the fights a bit harder. The avarage pug is a bad player so that you can’t complete it with pugs doesn’t really surprise me, but that is not the problem of the content imo, but the problem is the players playing the content.

Also the Samarog fight isn’t that buggy anymore, only thing i saw that is buggy is that when samarog phases and he does the attack that removes all the spears, he litterally stands there for 20 seconds doing nothing being invunerable, after that the fight continious as normal.

All the rest of what i think you are reffering to as ‘buggy’ is either fixed by now or is just people failing to execute mechanics properly.

You either haven’t done the fight or your really lucky.

Did it 2 days ago, on one attempt after we killed the 2 spawns they just respawned and we had to kill them again.

killed it several times now (cause i do like the content ), didn’t encounter any bug.

Oh Azoqu.8917 we did deimos cm yesterday lol.
You were kitting with your guardian.
I’m glad we found you to kite, I been kitting deimos cm with my rev for the last 4 days hours and hours everyday..
Finally we got our kill and I was able to play ps instead of kitter lol.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Oh Azoqu.8917 we did deimos cm yesterday lol.
You were kitting with your guardian.
I’m glad we found you to kite, I been kitting deimos cm with my rev for the last 4 days hours and hours everyday..
Finally we got our kill and I was able to play ps instead of kitter lol.

I truthfully hate that fight now because every time I do it I have to kite. Plus the CM of it isn’t even that hard, you just need non-idiots in your group. The tank and one of the rangers had never attempted CM before and we got it in what, 6 pulls?