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Posted by: Fror.2163

Fror.2163

I keep seeing those in dungeons. They ping their gear, it’s zerker. They ping their GS, it’s zerker. Then out of nowhere, their staff appears and while they don’t camp staff, they switch to it whenever possible. Granted they give 12 stacks of might for 10-12 seconds but with 3 warriors and a (good) ele, the 12 stacks of might are too much alread. But still I don’t see why the hell you’d bring a staff.

All of them without exception do the small golem event with their staff, no matter the path. With this I could see how much dmg they did: they needed between 5 and 6 hits to kill a golem where both gs and sword auto-attack kills in 1-2 hits.

CoE is faceroll enough to use the GS//sword+focus build even with pugs, but I keep seeing those staff-lover guardians when I play my warrior. When I play guard, I’m usually the only one and I don’t take the staff ever.

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Posted by: Emanuel.9781

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Bads need a ranging weapon no matter what.

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

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Every time I pug, I just kick every guardian that joins and play mine. That’s just what it’s come to.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

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I don’t see why staff should ever be used for DPS. I only use it when doing skips such as in TA and if I need to kite something such as the gravelings in AC P1 burrow event. I don’t see any other reason to use staff in dungeons. The +12 might doesn’t make up for theists in DPS.

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

J Eberle.9312

The other problem with the empower is the duration is awful. In a proper group, your warriors/eles put down fire field and blast + fgj up 25 stacks before each fight and it lasts longer as well. So, you do bad dps and you actually screw ppl over with bad might stacks.

Some will argue ‘well most of my teams don’t do that!’

Cool story, so do you put your staff on before the fight, stack the might and then swap it completely off for another actually useful weapon? Do you put a purging flames down before a fight and blast it with focus and hammer? Do you use Virtue of Justice? 9 times out of ten – nope.

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Posted by: Nikaido.3457

Nikaido.3457

You still contribute more to the average pug by keeping your own dps uptime than by keeping theirs with might stacks anyhow. I’ve seen so many pugs that couldn’t rally on anything as soon as I stopped dpsing (which is one of the reason why I tend to dislike being made to take the hammer in cliffside pugs. Not because I fear using it, I just fear the consequences of letting them do the dps. Cultists/chanters just won’t die and then they start wiping the group with the constant pressure.. I only start picking up the hammer when people drop dead from not using their invulns while running seals at which point the fractal turns into a 1 hour long hellhole). Even if Staff empower had long lasting, permanent 12 might stacking ability, I still wouldn’t use it. And I’m talking about pugs because empower would be of no use in an organized team no matter how much you’d buff it.

Staff only has two pve job : kiting and clearing TA. You still shouldn’t use it during any actual TA fight, but do make sure to clear the blossoms around the wurm boss when he spawns before swapping back to melee, it’s annoying to lose all your hp on these because the guardian somehow forgot that there’s still more to cleanse in the mid. Pretty much the only time I camp staff, I’d rather kill the adds slightly slower and have the room clean when the boss spawns, than enter the boss fight with 30% HP from triggering blossoms everywhere. I’ve seen too many guardians even in good groups have a knee jerk reaction of dropping staff too soon.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

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Yes it’s sad I main a guardian, and I’m trying to steer guardians away from staffing. I mean i used it back in the day until I learned better. Has staffing always been this prevalent or did this become a recent thing because of all the event farming?

In dungeons staff is to guardian what bow is to rangers =/

There are others too, such as Shortbow thief, rifle war, GS Mes, but there seems to be a staff guard epidemic as of late.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Yes it’s sad I main a guardian, and I’m trying to steer guardians away from staffing. I mean i used it back in the day until I learned better. Has staffing always been this prevalent or did this become a recent thing because of all the event farming?

In dungeons staff is to guardian what bow is to rangers =/

There are others too, such as Shortbow thief, rifle war, GS Mes, but there seems to be a staff guard epidemic as of late.

Bow bear is so 2013.

#StaffGuard2014

Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

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Posted by: laharl.8435

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If you need pugs, it’s probably best to run guard yourself and lfg for no guardians. They’re the most likely to run bad builds/bad weapons and one guardian is generally enough support.

A large portion of the guardian forum is vehemently against the guardian meta. Everytime you point someone in that direction it starts a kittenstorm with people that have no idea what they’re talking about. You still hear stuff like “if you want dps, go warrior” or “dps guardians are an oxymoron” semi regularly. You don’t hear that as much with other classes.

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Posted by: Nikaido.3457

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Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Sword/Focus is infinitely better for any fight that doesn’t last long enough for the protection symbol to matter. Higher dps AND two blinds, which, on quick trash fights, mitigate more damage than being hit under prot. Also strong burst with the focus shield explosion.

Which is pretty much all of TA in a decent group.

I wouldn’t kick someone for using the hammer though. It has good dps. But there is almost no point in running hammer in a dungeon like TA unless your group has spectacularly bad DPS and takes 3 hours to clear trash.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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^ +1

I’m gearing up my guard just in case I cannot get a decent one. My ele is just too precious and fragile to put in the protective hands of cleric guards. I’d rather have an all zerker light armor group.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Sword/Focus is infinitely better for any fight that doesn’t last long enough for the protection symbol to matter. Higher dps AND two blinds, which, on quick trash fights, mitigate more damage than being hit under prot. Also strong burst with the focus shield explosion.

Which is pretty much all of TA in a decent group.

I Know sword focus is optimal…. I just like hammer bashing. #RPDungeonsAllNight

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Posted by: Bumbler.7581

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On the same note as bloom clearing during TA skips, I do appreciate the guardian who has staff on the swap for the first Wurm boss in TA to clear the blooms before everyone moves on to the next wurm…this way I can safely DPS without having to worry about them. It also has some use for Line of Warding in the dredge fractal.

Everywhere else? /sigh

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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I’d rather they not clearing those blooms at wurm. They are my source of rally. Purging flame during the burst phase is more appreciated.D:

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Posted by: Bumbler.7581

Bumbler.7581

I guess I mean the ones around the wurm you are killing at the moment. By the time you get to the great wurm (where your risk of dying becomes greater), the blooms closer to the outside should have respawned and you can safely rally off of those no problem. It’s just nice running to the next worm and not losing a bunch of health to those stupid blooms.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Yeah, on my ele I generally burning speed ahead of the group, it usually clears the blossoms for the group for each smaller vine.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

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Yes it’s sad I main a guardian, and I’m trying to steer guardians away from staffing. I mean i used it back in the day until I learned better. Has staffing always been this prevalent or did this become a recent thing because of all the event farming?

In dungeons staff is to guardian what bow is to rangers =/

There are others too, such as Shortbow thief, rifle war, GS Mes, but there seems to be a staff guard epidemic as of late.

Bow bear is so 2013.

#StaffGuard2014

Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Hey young-un, back in my day rangers were signet loving bow carrying, bear hugging hippies!

Now we have knight wannabe, staff polishing monks.

and yeah I break out the staff for blooms in TA when my thief buddy isn’t online. It still has it’s uses, I don’t typically kick players for using a staff unless that’s all they do. Maybe i’m too soft on them…

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Yes it’s sad I main a guardian, and I’m trying to steer guardians away from staffing. I mean i used it back in the day until I learned better. Has staffing always been this prevalent or did this become a recent thing because of all the event farming?

In dungeons staff is to guardian what bow is to rangers =/

There are others too, such as Shortbow thief, rifle war, GS Mes, but there seems to be a staff guard epidemic as of late.

Bow bear is so 2013.

#StaffGuard2014

Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Hey young-un, back in my day rangers were signet loving bow carrying, bear hugging hippies!

Now we have gandalf wannabe, staff polishing monks.

and yeah I break out the staff for blooms in TA when my thief buddy isn’t online. It still has it’s uses, I don’t typically kick players for using a staff unless that’s all they do. Maybe i’m too soft on them…

FTFY ^.^

I don’t kick players generally. I just leave if the going gets too rough. But generally that kicks everyone so it’s worse. Lol

It generally takes 30 minutes into a dungeon for me to really know whether the group is capable in completing in … Well. A decent pug time.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

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I guess I mean the ones around the wurm you are killing at the moment. By the time you get to the great wurm (where your risk of dying becomes greater), the blooms closer to the outside should have respawned and you can safely rally off of those no problem. It’s just nice running to the next worm and not losing a bunch of health to those stupid blooms.

I too clear the blossoms with my guard if there isn’t another class that can take care of it. It helps keeps the pugs from making things more difficult. Other than that single fight, I never have staff equipped for actual fighting sections.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

If you need pugs, it’s probably best to run guard yourself and lfg for no guardians. They’re the most likely to run bad builds/bad weapons and one guardian is generally enough support.

A large portion of the guardian forum is vehemently against the guardian meta. Everytime you point someone in that direction it starts a kittenstorm with people that have no idea what they’re talking about. You still hear stuff like “if you want dps, go warrior” or “dps guardians are an oxymoron” semi regularly. You don’t hear that as much with other classes.

Yeah. I still see people praising clerics for PvE and the AH build.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

MastaNeenja.1537

On the same note as bloom clearing during TA skips, I do appreciate the guardian who has staff on the swap for the first Wurm boss in TA to clear the blooms before everyone moves on to the next wurm…this way I can safely DPS without having to worry about them. It also has some use for Line of Warding in the dredge fractal.

Everywhere else? /sigh

I use staff on cliffiside fractal at the two arm seals only. Line of warding is good for keeping the side you want to stay alive from following you down the tunnel and also the swiftness symbol is nice. Or was nice now you have to stand in it. I usually escort the hammer bearer and make them drop it on the way back before their corruption gets too high.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

Black Box.9312

I use staff to build up perception stacks sometimes. It’s really not that big of a deal against trash mobs with low HP because with a full zerker party they’ll die quickly regardless. Obviously it’s not the best choice against single targets, but against low HP trash mobs that are spread out there’s really no harm in using staff.

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

J Eberle.9312

If you want to build perception, have use two 1h weapons. Twice as fast.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

MastaNeenja.1537

Yes it’s sad I main a guardian, and I’m trying to steer guardians away from staffing. I mean i used it back in the day until I learned better. Has staffing always been this prevalent or did this become a recent thing because of all the event farming?

In dungeons staff is to guardian what bow is to rangers =/

There are others too, such as Shortbow thief, rifle war, GS Mes, but there seems to be a staff guard epidemic as of late.

Bow bear is so 2013.

#StaffGuard2014

Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Hey young-un, back in my day rangers were signet loving bow carrying, bear hugging hippies!

Now we have gandalf wannabe, staff polishing monks.

and yeah I break out the staff for blooms in TA when my thief buddy isn’t online. It still has it’s uses, I don’t typically kick players for using a staff unless that’s all they do. Maybe i’m too soft on them…

FTFY ^.^

I don’t kick players generally. I just leave if the going gets too rough. But generally that kicks everyone so it’s worse. Lol

It generally takes 30 minutes into a dungeon for me to really know whether the group is capable in completing in … Well. A decent pug time.

Leaving the group and killing the run, that is pretty diabolical lol.

Gandalf works too, the important part is that they are referred to as staff polishers.

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Posted by: Tachii.3506

Tachii.3506

Swapping weapons (not weapon switching) for easy dungeons is a waste of time tbh. I just keep staff on TA because everytime you stand there for a second to swap weapons, some idiot already will charge ahead and trigger every blossom there is.

Same goes for AC. It doesn’t matter what kind of description I put, there will always be some bigshot who think they can handle the spiders and go down, staff is brilliant for spider aggro and burrow kiting. The extra DPS from sword/focus is usually not needed due to icebows.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

Black Box.9312

If you want to build perception, have use two 1h weapons. Twice as fast.

The only 1h weapon I use on guardian is scepter, and that’s only when I need ranged.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

MastaNeenja.1537

Swapping weapons (not weapon switching) for easy dungeons is a waste of time tbh. I just keep staff on TA because everytime you stand there for a second to swap weapons, some idiot already will charge ahead and trigger every blossom there is.

Same goes for AC. It doesn’t matter what kind of description I put, there will always be some bigshot who think they can handle the spiders and go down, staff is brilliant for spider aggro and burrow kiting. The extra DPS from sword/focus is usually not needed due to icebows.

I like watching people that run ahead like that die.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

Same goes for AC. It doesn’t matter what kind of description I put, there will always be some bigshot who think they can handle the spiders and go down, staff is brilliant for spider aggro and burrow kiting. The extra DPS from sword/focus is usually not needed due to icebows.

For spider aggro, just kill the low level spiders that die in one hit, and that will chain all the aggro, including the queen. I just GS#3, Sword#2 to move quickly around and kill those weak ones, then run myself back to the stack.

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Posted by: Bumbler.7581

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On the same note as bloom clearing during TA skips, I do appreciate the guardian who has staff on the swap for the first Wurm boss in TA to clear the blooms before everyone moves on to the next wurm…this way I can safely DPS without having to worry about them. It also has some use for Line of Warding in the dredge fractal.

Everywhere else? /sigh

I use staff on cliffiside fractal at the two arm seals only. Line of warding is good for keeping the side you want to stay alive from following you down the tunnel and also the swiftness symbol is nice. Or was nice now you have to stand in it. I usually escort the hammer bearer and make them drop it on the way back before their corruption gets too high.

TBF, there are a few sets of trash in fractals where line of warding is nifty and helpful. But when I see some uber leet guardian staffing alpha or the searing effigy, I die a little inside.

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Posted by: OIIIIIO.7825

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I’m Pretty sure we can all blame Vol.7601 for this. It’s got to be his signature.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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Staff is incredible for the following reasons:

- If you start combat with staff, you can give the team 12 stacks of might with great duration and then weapon swap to your melee weapon for a great initial dps boost.
- Line of warding is really nice for saving players that get downed in pubs where enemies might otherwise reach them and defeat them.
- For pulling to LOS mobs around a corner, the 2 skill on the staff is great.
- AOE swiftness with 100% uptime without any boon duration. It is wonderful having this and setting it up before a skip.

When I use my staff on my Guardian, it is for those reasons, and I never fight with staff out. It is used purely for utility and then swapped out of immediately when combat is engaged. I’ve been using this to great success for a long time now (exceptionally fast pub runs of every dungeon in-game), so at least that’s what is going on in my case.

I will say, though, that if you camp staff at all during a fight you’re doing it wrong. It is a utility weapon for use before or after a fight, never during. Keep in mind that I also carry a Hammer, a GS, and a Scepter for when those are appropriate.

For the record, I do the cannon setup event in CoE with Sword.

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Posted by: Fror.2163

Fror.2163

- For pulling to LOS mobs around a corner, the 2 skill on the staff is great.
- AOE swiftness with 100% uptime without any boon duration. It is wonderful having this and setting it up before a skip.

No and no!

You pull mob so you go in combat and you lose the efficiency of your switch-weapon. Staff is NOT a proper weapon neither as main or alt-weapon in most of the dungeons.

You give 100% uptime swiftness? So that means I have to wait 4 seconds to get it? In a speedrun? Sorry but I prefer to equip “Retreat” which a good skill that I often use when I switch to Unscathed. Give that I have 20-25% boon duration given my dps build, I already gain lot of time with this. Plus the nice aegis which is useful when you skip through mob. Also, to actually give 100% uptime, I have to wait 4 seconds on it every X amount of time. If I aggroed a mob, even while being out of combat, I will get in combat, slowing my actual speed. So NO again!

No, staff is NOT a good weapon to have in a fight, except some fringe cases. If you actually give might then swap it I don’t mind, even though the ele/warrior should give that might. But if you get in combat with it, I do mind a lot because it’s bad dps.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

I’m Pretty sure we can all blame Vol.7601 for this. It’s got to be his signature.

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Its when people take the greatest guide to WvW and bring it to PvE.

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Posted by: Anierna.6918

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Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Gahd, Lilith! You’re killing me. Hammer guard = regular, frequent light fields = my might combo causing 6x Area Retal = my worst nightmare. Even using the words “hammer” and “guard” in the same sentence makes me feel like crying in a corner and punching someone at the same time.

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

J Eberle.9312

The only way you can factor in staff might is:

-No one in your team is providing enough might at the start of the fight.

-You provide the might before committing to combat, and take it entirely off your equipable weapons.

Also hammer is not good for regular dungeons, the light field drives me up the wall.

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Posted by: MastaNeenja.1537

MastaNeenja.1537

Anyway, staff on my guard is only used for TA blooms, usually switch to hammer after. I’m not a huge fan of sword/x but when the occasion is there, I suppose it’s better than mace.

Gahd, Lilith! You’re killing me. Hammer guard = regular, frequent light fields = my might combo causing 6x Area Retal = my worst nightmare. Even using the words “hammer” and “guard” in the same sentence makes me feel like crying in a corner and punching someone at the same time.

I run hammer on my guard from time to time, i just wait on the fire fields to drop before I start in with it. I want might.

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Posted by: Anierna.6918

Anierna.6918

It’s not just hammer though. It’s also Symbol of Wrath and Symbol of Swiftness. I make it my mission to torment the noob who dares use either in combat.

Why am I against using it at all? Because I am giving PERMANENT blasts via LH, and the 2nd Ele or the guard should be keeping up fire fields for me. Using a light field AT ANY TIME messes things up.

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Posted by: Gnat.9405

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I recently started doing dungeons with my DPS Guardian and have gotten kicked once. The guy said “We asked for DPS not fail AH Guardian.” I thought it was funny but I really wanted to do the run.

I guess it really is a problem

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Posted by: Mirsa.1628

Mirsa.1628

Guardians, please do not use staves or hammers in dungeons.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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It’s not just hammer though. It’s also Symbol of Wrath and Symbol of Swiftness. I make it my mission to torment the noob who dares use either in combat.

Why am I against using it at all? Because I am giving PERMANENT blasts via LH, and the 2nd Ele or the guard should be keeping up fire fields for me. Using a light field AT ANY TIME messes things up.

If it makes you feel any better, I don’t really play my guardian outside of TA.

I also don’t really play meta, or optimal builds. I go as optimal as I feel up to… But I don’t join speed runs. (Zerker traits, armor, half zerk trinkets)

I’m not a very good player, and I guess if I played more I’d try a little harder.

SmashThemVinesWithHammer ^_~

Sorry, like I said, RP dungeons all day err day <3

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

No and no!

You pull mob so you go in combat and you lose the efficiency of your switch-weapon. Staff is NOT a proper weapon neither as main or alt-weapon in most of the dungeons.

With the appropriate build, Sword autoattack does just as much if not more dps than GS [citation needed, but I got the idea for this from a DNT build video awhile back] and provides greater utility in the form of AOE blind/vuln. There is really no real benefit to having the weapon swap on a Guardian unless you need the utility of the GS (5 skill) or you really need the extra endurance from an Energy sigil (or possibly a Battle sigil, though Force/Night is still better where appropriate). Note that if this has changed with the meta, I am certainly open to being shown that math and changing my opinion.

You give 100% uptime swiftness? So that means I have to wait 4 seconds to get it? In a speedrun? Sorry but I prefer to equip “Retreat” which a good skill that I often use when I switch to Unscathed. Give that I have 20-25% boon duration given my dps build, I already gain lot of time with this. Plus the nice aegis which is useful when you skip through mob. Also, to actually give 100% uptime, I have to wait 4 seconds on it every X amount of time. If I aggroed a mob, even while being out of combat, I will get in combat, slowing my actual speed. So NO again!

Many dungeons have time gates for dialogue where those 4 seconds are no problem at all. Symbol of Swiftness is perfect for those situations for building massive swiftness, and followed by Retreat is usually enough swiftness for the entire following skip. Furthermore, while running, you can drop the symbol for an aoe burst of swiftness as needed. As for getting put in combat, I do not have that problem. If you place your symbols appropriately, neither will you.

No, staff is NOT a good weapon to have in a fight, except some fringe cases. If you actually give might then swap it I don’t mind, even though the ele/warrior should give that might. But if you get in combat with it, I do mind a lot because it’s bad dps.

If you read my post, I specifically said that Staff is never good to use when engaged in combat. The purpose is for the might stacks prior to engaging, which is valuable, especially in pugs where they do not pre-might stack otherwise. I’m not sure why you’re so vehemently… agreeing with me? I certainly don’t mind, though.

EDIT: Note that my opinions are colored by pug experiences. In the case of a fully optimized and fully coordinated group with precursor time spent on team composition, I certainly agree that other classes will be providing the might stacks and that Staff is not preferable. That said, in almost all cases of pubs, I am the only one prebuilding stacks of might, and in those cases it has been immeasurably helpful.

Cheers.

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With the appropriate build, Sword autoattack does just as much if not more dps than GS [citation needed, but I got the idea for this from a DNT build video awhile back] and provides greater utility in the form of AOE blind/vuln. There is really no benefit to having the weapon swap on a Guardian unless you need the utility of the GS (5 skill) or you really need the extra endurance from an Energy sigil (or possibly a Battle sigil, though Force/Night is still better where appropriate).
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Sounds like you are referring to Brazil. Sword will give more dps than GS camping. But the point is to use GS+Sword rotations for maximum DPS. It combines superior GS burst, with superior Sword AA.

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Sounds like you are referring to Brazil. Sword will give more dps than GS camping. But the point is to use GS+Sword rotations for maximum DPS. It combines superior GS burst, with superior Sword AA.

But don’t you lose DPS when being forced to sit and auto attack with the GS after you’ve done your burst? It’s entirely possible that even considering those GS auto attacks, the burst from it is still good enough to be a superior rotation, but I was not under the impression that that was the case.

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Here is obal’s advice on rotations. I disagree with the shorter fighter bit, but it works. The extended fight rotation is more or less what I use.

“DPS Rotation for extend fights – GS2 -> GS4 -> GS3 -> GS5 if no pull is needed -> GS auto until GS2 is up -> GS2 -> Swap to sword -> Focus 4 -> Focus 5 if not needed for survival -> Sword auto until 1s after swap is available -> repeat GS and sword rotation

For short fights I use GS2-4 -> Sword"

Main difference for me, is I don’t use Foucs#4 unless I need to blind something to avoid a hit, and not just for vuln stacking since I have warriors for that.

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Hrmm… Well, good to know.

I don’t use Staff if we have a lot of might in the group and do carry my GS with me, I just currently don’t rotate into it much. I’ll try Obal’s suggestion a bit there and see how it fares for me. Also, I wonder how that rotation suffers when you have to avoid using GS4 because its going underneath fire fields and ruining those blasts.

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

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No and no!

You pull mob so you go in combat and you lose the efficiency of your switch-weapon. Staff is NOT a proper weapon neither as main or alt-weapon in most of the dungeons.

With the appropriate build, Sword autoattack does just as much if not more dps than GS [citation needed, but I got the idea for this from a DNT build video awhile back]

For optimum Dps, the build is GS and S/f.

The best thing about GS on top of optimum dps rotation is that it does have utility. Extra vauln, blind and an AoE pull.

And cat has beaten me to it :P

Here is obal’s advice on rotations. I disagree with the shorter fighter bit, but it works. The extended fight rotation is more or less what I use.

“DPS Rotation for extend fights – GS2 -> GS4 -> GS3 -> GS5 if no pull is needed -> GS auto until GS2 is up -> GS2 -> Swap to sword -> Focus 4 -> Focus 5 if not needed for survival -> Sword auto until 1s after swap is available -> repeat GS and sword rotation

For short fights I use GS2-4 -> Sword"

Main difference for me, is I don’t use Foucs#4 unless I need to blind something to avoid a hit, and not just for vuln stacking since I have warriors for that.

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Posted by: laharl.8435

laharl.8435

No and no!

You pull mob so you go in combat and you lose the efficiency of your switch-weapon. Staff is NOT a proper weapon neither as main or alt-weapon in most of the dungeons.

With the appropriate build, Sword autoattack does just as much if not more dps than GS [citation needed, but I got the idea for this from a DNT build video awhile back] and provides greater utility in the form of AOE blind/vuln. There is really no real benefit to having the weapon swap on a Guardian unless you need the utility of the GS (5 skill) or you really need the extra endurance from an Energy sigil (or possibly a Battle sigil, though Force/Night is still better where appropriate). Note that if this has changed with the meta, I am certainly open to being shown that math and changing my opinion.

You give 100% uptime swiftness? So that means I have to wait 4 seconds to get it? In a speedrun? Sorry but I prefer to equip “Retreat” which a good skill that I often use when I switch to Unscathed. Give that I have 20-25% boon duration given my dps build, I already gain lot of time with this. Plus the nice aegis which is useful when you skip through mob. Also, to actually give 100% uptime, I have to wait 4 seconds on it every X amount of time. If I aggroed a mob, even while being out of combat, I will get in combat, slowing my actual speed. So NO again!

Many dungeons have time gates for dialogue where those 4 seconds are no problem at all. Symbol of Swiftness is perfect for those situations for building massive swiftness, and followed by Retreat is usually enough swiftness for the entire following skip. Furthermore, while running, you can drop the symbol for an aoe burst of swiftness as needed. As for getting put in combat, I do not have that problem. If you place your symbols appropriately, neither will you.

No, staff is NOT a good weapon to have in a fight, except some fringe cases. If you actually give might then swap it I don’t mind, even though the ele/warrior should give that might. But if you get in combat with it, I do mind a lot because it’s bad dps.

If you read my post, I specifically said that Staff is never good to use when engaged in combat. The purpose is for the might stacks prior to engaging, which is valuable, especially in pugs where they do not pre-might stack otherwise. I’m not sure why you’re so vehemently… agreeing with me? I certainly don’t mind, though.

EDIT: Note that my opinions are colored by pug experiences. In the case of a fully optimized and fully coordinated group with precursor time spent on team composition, I certainly agree that other classes will be providing the might stacks and that Staff is not preferable. That said, in almost all cases of pubs, I am the only one prebuilding stacks of might, and in those cases it has been immeasurably helpful.

Cheers.

Those might stacks are only going to help you for ~10 seconds, then you’re stuck on a crap weapon for the duration of the fight. If it’s a 10 second fight, fine, even though that might barely mattered in the first place for that scenario. Anything longer than 10 seconds and it’s a total waste. You’re missing out on burst, blind, gap closer, vulnerability, 5 mob pull all for ~10 seconds of might at the start of a fight. If you’re running in a pug that isn’t stacking might, then you’re personal dps is even more important assuming you’re running a meta build.

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That’s assuming you keep 25 stacks of might up for the whole fight, right? What about the case where you have a pub that doesn’t use might at all beyond the occasional FGJ? Would that rotation still be preferable to using staff to stack might before the combat engages?

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Posted by: J Eberle.9312

J Eberle.9312

That’s assuming you keep 25 stacks of might up for the whole fight, right? What about the case where you have a pub that doesn’t use might at all beyond the occasional FGJ? Would that rotation still be preferable to using staff to stack might before the combat engages?

As stated earlier, if in a team of useless pugs- You can do this, but then take it entirely off go to your inventory and replace it with a greatsword.

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That’s assuming you keep 25 stacks of might up for the whole fight, right? What about the case where you have a pub that doesn’t use might at all beyond the occasional FGJ? Would that rotation still be preferable to using staff to stack might before the combat engages?

As stated earlier, if in a team of useless pugs- You can do this, but then take it entirely off go to your inventory and replace it with a greatsword.

Is there a way to only like, have it half on?

>.>

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