Guild Wars 2

And before you lough yah i can’t do it.
Yesterday me and 2 friends got there and we don’t have that terrible gear…we all new somehow to the game as we got the game then found it boring and moved on to tera.

Any way the 3 of us “i know it’s a 5 man dungeon” got there and started the story mode only to be killed by some spiders.
I’m not new to raiding and i know that in GW you have to role and use your heals in the correct time and i’m fine with it but these mobs simply do too much damage that we wiped on the first room with the little spiders.

Is this the experience from all GW dungeons?

Think this is more of a L2P issue than it is with the mobs hitting hard.

What are your classes and what are your builds?

i’m level 40 ATM guardian and doing a 10/10/0/10/0
ruining with a GS and Sword+focus/torch.

Those mini spiders do projectile atacks, so you as a guardian can reflect then with wall of reflection, you can use shield of avenger too to complement your anti projectiles.

Note that 3-manning as level 80s would be possible, albeit rather difficult for people new to the game. 3-manning as level 40’s is going to be very difficult, especially since it seems you are still learning the class. Dungeons are meant for 5-man coordinated groups where people know the class (more or less)— they’re going to be hard if you don’t fit this criteria.

Dagoth.6278:

i’m level 40 ATM guardian and doing a 10/10/0/10/0
ruining with a GS and Sword+focus/torch.

Do not try 3 manning a dungeon at equal level unless you’re some god at the game.

What i’m saying is that this is the first room.
The very first room not the middle of the dungeon or the final boss.
I can’t even begin to tell you what we felt after we wiped.
3 people level 40 each doing level 30 dungeon and we wipe like scrubs…maybe we are scrubs but this was like WTF happened.

Oh, and dont forget that in this game you are downscaled to the map you are playing, so your lvl 40 guardian has a lvl 30 effective lvl inside ascalonian catacombs, so you wont be able to faceroll the dungeon just because you are above the dungeon’s lvl.

Yah i know that….but man we didn’t want to face role anything.
We just wanted to get some exp and maybe…just maybe enjoy a little story.
Seems you need to be elite player or something to kill some spiders.

Man this isn’t my first time in raiding i’ve raided in WOW and Aion and Tera and even Lineage 2 back in the day and it was fun……This isn’t sadly.

I think a lot of people feel this way the very first moment they enter a dungeon since it’s incredibly difficult compared to open world PvE. Try 5 manning it, preferrably with someone who knows what he’s doing and you won’t have that many difficulties. If you decide to keep playing this game, some time in the future you’ll be amazed by topics like this because it is so easy for the experienced player.

Dagoth.6278:

YWe just wanted to get some exp and maybe…just maybe enjoy a little story.
Seems you need to be elite player or something to kill some spiders.

No, you just need a full party that knows how to use their skills and abilities.

Dungeons in this game are a decent challenge for most (casual) players, but expecting to 3-man a 5-man dungeon to “get some exp” would essentially mean 5-manning said dungeon would be face-rolling it.

post LFG and find two more people to run story with you.

AC is quite difficult due to the fact the Queen Spider is a wipe for most parties that don’t know how to mitigate the damage. You have to stack in a certain corner and do not move one bit otherwise you trigger her deadly lethal poison. Also, there’s a lot of trash mob skipping and the burrows can be a challenge to a team without dps. I think it’s doable with two 80’s and few lower levels; otherwise you would spend hours in that dungeon. My friends and I did the story on our 80’s.. had absolutely no idea what we were doing, winging it.. and it took us forever to finish. It was fun since we were all on voice laughing our butts off but I wouldn’t do it again. Our guild leader heard about it and took us in to finish it the second time to show how easy it is if someone actually knew what to do in each encounter. I got his point.

As someone who played raiding games for few years, dungeons in GW2 is nothing like raiding. I am sure in coordinated groups, it can be more like it.. but really it isn’t. Team work makes it effortless, yes.. but it’s more about learning the boss mechanics, dodging at the right time, using your utilties and getting past trash mobs.

I’m not sure about this, but those spiders might suffer the troll syndrome too.

Ascalonian Catacombs were revamped some time ago. Most enemies had their health pool and straight damage reduced (sometimes compensated with more interesting mechanics), but there were a few exceptions.
The champion troll, a random a completely optional event, became a lot more annoying and some trivial trash mobs (gravelings, spiders) that used to explode in 1-2 hits got their health substantially increased.

Even if AC story mode was made considerably easier (it was quite insane for fresh level 30 players), some enemies are shared with the explorable mode an may felt like a huge difficulty ramp up.
The most obvious case is probably the Troll (which is not a problem at all since it’s optional), but I wouldn’t be surprised if the spiders you talk about share the model with the adds of the Spider Queen (first boss on explorable mode) and are way tougher than intended.
I suggest you to try again and check the difficulty past the spiders (slot Wall of Reflection and you should be fine for this fight).

Oh yes, the troll.. we finished the AC story finally. A friend in our group had the bright idea to kill him afterwards just for fun. We tried and failed three times. He’s one hard dude to take down. Two in the party had left by then so it was only three of us, but still, our butts got handed to us until we said kitten it.

Also, spiders I assume does poison damage. It’s been awhile since I did story. You would probably need a condition cleanser which your guard would have by now. Use greatsword 2 and 4 to take down the mini spiders, wall of reflection with this should be good.

layzoe.6035:

AC is quite difficult due to the fact the Queen Spider is a wipe for most parties that don’t know how to mitigate the damage. You have to stack in a certain corner and do not move one bit otherwise you trigger her deadly lethal poison.

You dont have to stack in a certain corner to avoid the aoe, any corner works. In fact you dont need to stack in a corner at all, you just need to stay in melee range. You can also move around as much as you want as long as you stay in melee range, the queen will not use the poison aoe. Reason people stack in that corner is because its easy, convenient and gets all spider adds on a single spot. Youre just giving fuel to the people who think stacking is the devil itself if you make it sound like stacking renders the queen completely helpless.

layzoe.6035:

AC is quite difficult due to the fact the Queen Spider is a wipe for most parties that don’t know how to mitigate the damage. You have to stack in a certain corner and do not move one bit otherwise you trigger her deadly lethal poison.

Another “melee is harder than ranged” on spider queen ?

Here is a video of a guy soloing her at range on a low level engineer :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGEbPoXw1c

Her most dangerous attacks can’t even hit you at long ranges (the immobilize/webbing which deals some serious damage). The only thing you have to dodge are the poison fields and they are far from being instant kill fields. That engie in the video kept running over them with his rifle and elixir gun moves.

You don’t need to stack, if anything, stacking with a bunch of low dps low level characters is going to be much harder.

story mode doesn’t have the spider queen, afaik, I think he meant the little spiders that can spawn from the coffins (which is the first room). only interact with one coffin at a time – each one spawns new mobs on interact, oftentimes people just spam f as soon as they see interact and unload a horde of enemies.

and generally: there are many ranged enemies in AC story (and explo), learn to use projectile reflects/absorbs. I started writing all down and noticed there were too many. the only class without any access to projectile reflects/absorbs is necro – and warri can only do it for himself (blocking and traited reflecting). but necro can just drop a blinding well and all is good. if you don’t know which skills reflect, check all your weapon skills and utilities, it says so in their description.

though in general I agree, AC is too hard for new players, the difference between open world pve and AC is immense.

Ok i need to know something before i decide wither to bother with dungeons in this game or just forget about them completely and only play for another 5 days or so until ROS comes and we give up.

Will the rest of the dungeons be like this?
Dungeons in any MMO are the place to farm gear or tokens for gear and other useful stuff…
Is the problem from this dungeons or are all dungeons like this and it’s a L2P thingy.

Dagoth.6278:

Ok i need to know something before i decide wither to bother with dungeons in this game or just forget about them completely and only play for another 5 days or so until ROS comes and we give up.

Will the rest of the dungeons be like this?
Dungeons in any MMO are the place to farm gear or tokens for gear and other useful stuff…
Is the problem from this dungeons or are all dungeons like this and it’s a L2P thingy.

Yes all the dungeons are like this. You need to l2p the game before you can succeed in the game :O shocker

Dagoth.6278:

all dungeons like this and it’s a L2P thingy.

LINK for a guide here.

It’s a L2P thingy, if you are good enough you can even solo.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/links/Compilation-of-dungeon-solo-videos-3

A couple are outdated but it’s just an example of how doable it is(even solo).

Rag.3258:

layzoe.6035:

AC is quite difficult due to the fact the Queen Spider is a wipe for most parties that don’t know how to mitigate the damage. You have to stack in a certain corner and do not move one bit otherwise you trigger her deadly lethal poison.

You dont have to stack in a certain corner to avoid the aoe, any corner works. In fact you dont need to stack in a corner at all, you just need to stay in melee range. You can also move around as much as you want as long as you stay in melee range, the queen will not use the poison aoe. Reason people stack in that corner is because its easy, convenient and gets all spider adds on a single spot. Youre just giving fuel to the people who think stacking is the devil itself if you make it sound like stacking renders the queen completely helpless.

I run this path almost every time I log in to play GW2 and mostly pug it. Even in melee range, there have been instant wipes once the players start moving around. When instructed not to move, we get the job done. So that’s my take on it from personal experience. I rarely did it ranged because this was what was shown to me in AC. I think we tried it range very few times in all the times I ran this dungeon and it didn’t go any better, so I stick with the stacking method. So do almost all the runs I have been in. And while any corner might work, there is one corner which is optimal.. the reason that almost all dungeon groupings that I have been in use it and doesn’t deviate from it.

And I never said she’s helpless… don’t misconstrue my words nor imply my meaning.

Dagoth.6278:

Will the rest of the dungeons be like this?
Dungeons in any MMO are the place to farm gear or tokens for gear and other useful stuff…
Is the problem from this dungeons or are all dungeons like this and it’s a L2P thingy.

1. No. Take some people with you to show you the mechanics (there’s a dungeon teaching thread around here somewhere) and it will become a lot clearer.

2. Yup dungeons work the same here. You get armor and such from drops and doing explorable mode gives you tokens to buy armor and weapons.

3. This dungeon can be a bit of a shock the first time you walk in straight out of PvE. Especially if you’re trying to 3 man it at level 40. I’d say there is a L2P element. You need to learn the mechanics (i.e. don’t open all the caskets at once in the first room. Bad idea that.). Once again I’d suggest you find the teaching thread in this forum and poke one of the tutors in your region.

Nikaido.3457:

You don’t need to stack, if anything, stacking with a bunch of low dps low level characters is going to be much harder.

Well, this applies to any boss really.. no one needs to stack but do for a faster and smoother run with less chance of a wipe. But perhaps you are right, for lower levels without dps, range on her might be better.

OP, I dont want to sound rude, but you need to practice and learn to play. If you need to complete AC, and want some training regarding the dungeon and your class, feel free to contact me in-game. I promise that you will be soloing storymode after our training.

Keep in mind that a group of normal player will do a most dungeon path in 30min
A group of experienced players, with ok build will do it in 20min
A group fo experienced players, with good build will do it 15min
A speed clear group can do it in 10min.

You are new to the game so you don’t really know the mechanics well.
You don’t really know your profession well.
You don’t know at all the dungeon and the strategy
You are low level with bad gear
AND you 3 man it.

You really have nothing on your side, so of course you gonna get kitten . Dungeon are SUPER EASY right now, so its really not an issue about the dungeon, but how you played it.

Try to 5 man it, check if your gear is near your level, check for the Dungeon Mentor or a friendly guild so people can show you how to complete a dungeon. One things, AC is really hard for new people because there is some DPS check at some point. Its weird but you are better with the dungeon CM or TA first.

after several helpful posts from different people I think op made it pretty clear he has no interest in learning, only in complaining. he and his friends never bothered to learn basic mechanics (which is understandable, as they’re not needed in open world) and when confronted with content which takes a bit more class knowledge, he ignores every hint he gets (projectile reflect is pretty much the only thing needed to make AC story a lot easier) and complains further.

yes, if you don’t want to learn how to play better than just hitting 1-5 randomly, then dungeons are a problem for you and you’ll most likely not succeed.

You took only three players into a dungeon that says five players are recommended. You’re also, as you said, new to the game, as were the other people in your party. Thus, you don’t know how to play your class fully yet, and you don’t understand the mechanics of the dungeon (which is fine because everyone starts off not knowing how it goes).

It seems like this is a simple of case of needing to learn to play, as well as actually making sure you have a full group for dungeons until you know them well enough. Next time, try to find someone (either in guild or through LFG) who knows the dungeon well enough to tell you what to expect. And check out the guides other people posted above.

Doing dungeons with less than 5 players is for those looking for a greater challenge. In a perfect world where all 5 player builds are the same, each contributes 20% of damage. 3-manning it reduces your DPS to 60% along with support skills. As a new dungeon runner, you should have 5 people in your group with proper level gear and skills etc. Dungeons are challenging at first, but you’ll find that each run is better. Don’t give up after a bad experience, arm yourself with knowledge and delve in again.

I see where you went wrong. You quit in the first room of the first dungeon. Now get back in there and try again.

Lol, complaining about this super easy dungeon. That reminds me of the ye good ol’ times!

Slither Shade.4782:

I see where you went wrong. You quit in the first room of the first dungeon. Now get back in there and try again.

Dagoth.6278:

Yah i know that….but man we didn’t want to face role anything.
We just wanted to get some exp and maybe…just maybe enjoy a little story.
Seems you need to be elite player or something to kill some spiders.

Man this isn’t my first time in raiding i’ve raided in WOW and Aion and Tera and even Lineage 2 back in the day and it was fun……This isn’t sadly.

This kind of talk reminds of when the game 1st launched, so many people saying dungeons are to hard, now they are faceroll easy why ?

you should know the answer to this if as you said you’re a raider.

it comes down to class and mechanics knowledge.

let me postulate this:

imagine you’re new to wow, aion and tera, now go into raiding in those games as a new player and see what happens, you’d get your toosh handed to you in seconds why ? because as a new player you wouldn’t know all the class and mechanic intricacies to be proficient at raiding, that takes time spent learning the game and it’s mechanics which you wouldn’t have as a new player.

Same principle applies to gw2.

you say you’re a raider yet you expect to face some of the arguably most difficult content the game has to offer without learning the intricacies of the mechanics or the classes, please give me a break !

you should’ve kept the fact you’re a raider to yourself, you kinda embarrassed yourself there.

Give spiderlings a wall of reflection or a feedback and see the magic