Wow, Jesus, you sound more of a downer than me on a mildly bad day – that’s saying a lot. Stop stealing my role, will ya? I deleted an entire wall of text of whining just so the world wouldn’t implode from our combined pessimism.
(It just annoys me when people drag out the “setting an example” card, or the “I’m telling you what x and y words mean, gonna decide for you” deck. kitten that….)
You shouldn’t think that every class specialisation will get fun mechanics like the mesmer, b.t.w… mes has always been pretty special. Keep your expectations low. No, not that low. Lower. Right-here-in-the-mock low.
P.S. How inappropriate would the Flameseeker be on a mesmer fashion-wise, from 1 to 10? I want it ç_ç
:D I’m good at pessimism, though I usually try not to show it outside of the forums.
As far as Flameseeker, it all depends on the overall style IMO. My Ele uses The Crossing with a green outfit, total “necro” look but I like it, so whatever, it all looks good together, just surprises people when fire comes out of the staff instead of marks. Not sure what I’ll use on my Mesmer, probably the guild one that looks like a tower shield… my mesmer is not your typical mesmer look either… more like Sons of Anarchy or Snake Plisskin.
I use silly scimitar on mine, though mainly just cause I really wanted that skin reminds me of the singing sword from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I’m still a big fan of Bonetti’s Rapier though.
And like I said I usually reserve my pessimism for the forums I don’t know, these types of places just bring it out of me.
Wow, Jesus, you sound more of a downer than me on a mildly bad day – that’s saying a lot. Stop stealing my role, will ya? I deleted an entire wall of text of whining just so the world wouldn’t implode from our combined pessimism.
(It just annoys me when people drag out the “setting an example” card, or the “I’m telling you what x and y words mean, gonna decide for you” deck. kitten that….)
You shouldn’t think that every class specialisation will get fun mechanics like the mesmer, b.t.w… mes has always been pretty special. Keep your expectations low. No, not that low. Lower. Right-here-in-the-mock low.
P.S. How inappropriate would the Flameseeker be on a mesmer fashion-wise, from 1 to 10? I want it ç_ç
:D I’m good at pessimism, though I usually try not to show it outside of the forums.
As far as Flameseeker, it all depends on the overall style IMO. My Ele uses The Crossing with a green outfit, total “necro” look but I like it, so whatever, it all looks good together, just surprises people when fire comes out of the staff instead of marks. Not sure what I’ll use on my Mesmer, probably the guild one that looks like a tower shield… my mesmer is not your typical mesmer look either… more like Sons of Anarchy or Snake Plisskin.
Maybe Rivetwall?
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
It depends on the line. Generally for meta builds its 700. Because you cant redistribute condi duration and boon duration. The exceptions are ele and thief which have 900 direct damage offensive stats in traits just by going 6/6. And im ignoring condition damage because that has little effect on direct damage builds.
Anyway you were talking about 500 points. No idea where you got that number from. The minimum number of stats in a build is 700 if you ignore the odd sub stats like condi duration.
All you need to know is we will lose damage unless they overcompensate with the gear. Which is unlikely.
It depends on the line. Generally for meta builds its 700. Because you cant redistribute condi duration and boon duration. The exceptions are ele and thief which have 900 direct damage offensive stats in traits just by going 6/6. And im ignoring condition damage because that has little effect on direct damage builds.
Anyway you were talking about 500 points. No idea where you got that number from. The minimum number of stats in a build is 700 if you ignore the odd sub stats like condi duration.
All you need to know is we will lose damage unless they overcompensate with the gear. Which is unlikely.
No no. Ok i’ll make some point and tell me where you don’t agree.
1) We get a total of 1400 stats pts from trait line right now.
2) At best (like a Thief 6/6/x) we get 900 offensive stats pts and 500 of other stats.
3) We get 74 base pts in Power, Precision, Vitality and Toughness.
4) That mean of the total 1 400 stats points 296 will be base and 1104 will come from gear.
5) Of these 296 new base stats, 148 will be offensive and 148 will be defensive
6) The remaining 1104 will all come from gear. So if you get full zerker, you will get about 1104 offensive pts of stats.
7) So 1104 offensive pts of stats from gear and 148 offensive pts of stats from base pts equal 1252 offensive pts of stas.
8) So we gonna have 1252 offensive pts of stats but right now at maximum we can get 900. So we gonna have a power creep of 352 offensive points.
I highly doubt they will add that many stat points though. They said your stats now should be about the same after the change. Which means we probably wont be gaining 1252 points in gear. Id expect them to balance on the extremes. Meaning 900 extra stat points maximum. But we shall see.
That said most builds are losing a few modifiers here and there and currently some classes have a major stat advantage from traits. So even with a small stat power creep the gap between classes should be less. Ele and thief will only have modifier advantages and wont have raw stat advantages anymore which is good. And the overall damage increase should be pretty minor if at all. Plus with icebow getting a nerf the stat power creep seems pointless to worry about. Chances are things will slow down slightly even if non icebow damage is higher.
Yup. Whatever they choose to do, they won’t make everybody happy, that’s for sure.
If the give us all our points back, that gonna create a power creep in PvE. But if they don’t ppl will scream that’s a nerf and they lose some stats point.
They should take into account that profession attibute become base and from the trait line. But if they do, build that don’t use it will lose a bit more stats.
Like I said, they won’t make everyone happy whatever they choice to do with that.
Wow, Jesus, you sound more of a downer than me on a mildly bad day – that’s saying a lot. Stop stealing my role, will ya? I deleted an entire wall of text of whining just so the world wouldn’t implode from our combined pessimism.
(It just annoys me when people drag out the “setting an example” card, or the “I’m telling you what x and y words mean, gonna decide for you” deck. kitten that….)
You shouldn’t think that every class specialisation will get fun mechanics like the mesmer, b.t.w… mes has always been pretty special. Keep your expectations low. No, not that low. Lower. Right-here-in-the-mock low.
P.S. How inappropriate would the Flameseeker be on a mesmer fashion-wise, from 1 to 10? I want it ç_ç
:D I’m good at pessimism, though I usually try not to show it outside of the forums.
As far as Flameseeker, it all depends on the overall style IMO. My Ele uses The Crossing with a green outfit, total “necro” look but I like it, so whatever, it all looks good together, just surprises people when fire comes out of the staff instead of marks. Not sure what I’ll use on my Mesmer, probably the guild one that looks like a tower shield… my mesmer is not your typical mesmer look either… more like Sons of Anarchy or Snake Plisskin.
Maybe Rivetwall?
Ohh, nice, yeah that probably would work perfectly.
As I see, we have 700 points in primary attributes and class mechanic.
Each primary attribute gets boosted to 1k (so +74 points), and the class mechanics gets what we could take as another 150 points. This leaves 254 points that will be reallocated in gear.
We don’t know what’s going to happen with secondary attributes.
I wouldn’t expect to see those 700 points rolled into gear, and definitely we won’t get a 74 point default attribute.
We might get a 100 default attribute (which would leave another 200 points for gear), or even all those points completely removed, with or without compensation through gear.
As I see, we have 700 points in primary attributes and class mechanic.
Each primary attribute gets boosted to 1k (so +74 points), and the class mechanics gets what we could take as another 150 points. This leaves 254 points that will be reallocated in gear.
We don’t know what’s going to happen with secondary attributes.
I wouldn’t expect to see those 700 points rolled into gear, and definitely we won’t get a 74 point default attribute.
We might get a 100 default attribute (which would leave another 200 points for gear), or even all those points completely removed, with or without compensation through gear.
Jesus why everybody make the same mistake everytime. Each line give you two stats, in total you get 1400 pts from trait line, not 700.
How do you factor boon/condi duration and the profession mechanic skill though.
We only get “double stats” from the prec/toughness lines unless I’m mistaken.
So wouldn’t it currently be 700-1300? depending on how you place things. And then with that have we heard anything about the condi/boon duration coming back to us any way?
Jesus why everybody make the same mistake everytime. Each line give you two stats, in total you get 1400 pts from trait line, not 700.
That’s what the whole second pharagraph was supposed to be about.
I don’t expect all those 700 points to be rolled into gear. I’m expecting either the base value of every secondary attribute to be set at 100 (so only 200 points remaining for gear) or a complete loss of those points.
Meh, old content is old and generally gets ignored after an expansion hits.
That’s because an expansion usually brings new content that gets played instead of the old content. We’re certainly not getting any new dungeon content.
It’s not so much that I think things will die so fast that they are boring, I mean we already have that if we stack up all of our offenses correctly and deep freeze.
It’s that the easy play styles are going to just tear through things where at least currently to blow things up you have to glass up quite a bit so when you do make a mistake you pay for it.
Hammer 60066 guard, 66060 War GS camping PS war, 66600 Staff Ele, Some kind of Thief, and new mesmer. You’ll tear through things and have all the safety nets you could ever need in place.
I hope that makes sense. It’s not the new max damage I’m concerned with, it’s how easy you’ll be able to replicate the speed we currently go at in a casual tour. Not that it’s all that hard right now, but at least you can die, I’m not so sure that’ll hold true when you have all this new stuff.
Oh wow I totally just realised that hammer guards are getting insanely buffed. If my memory serves me right, there is a 20% increased damage to foes in symbols and another new 10% elsewhere, stats no longer tied to trait lines, ability to fully enter 3 trait lines means insane support AND damage.
Plus phalanx warriors are getting buffed so eles never have to stack might again(no field overlap concerns). And considering eles LH is getting nerfed, its highly likely the blast fin will be taken away and warrs will just become the new might stack guy.
Man..got to start playing my guard more now.
As I see, we have 700 points in primary attributes and class mechanic.
Each primary attribute gets boosted to 1k (so +74 points), and the class mechanics gets what we could take as another 150 points. This leaves 254 points that will be reallocated in gear.
We don’t know what’s going to happen with secondary attributes.
I wouldn’t expect to see those 700 points rolled into gear, and definitely we won’t get a 74 point default attribute.
We might get a 100 default attribute (which would leave another 200 points for gear), or even all those points completely removed, with or without compensation through gear.
Jesus why everybody make the same mistake everytime. Each line give you two stats, in total you get 1400 pts from trait line, not 700.
some of the stats are not available on armor, or at much lower rates.
3/5 of each line is a special stat.
class mechanic stat
boon duration
condition duration
since they have already shown that half stats of class mechanic wont be on armor, its likely that boon and condi will also not be counted.
they could count the other 2 lines possible stat contribution,
but come to think of it, they are probably not even going to do that they will probably just drop all secondary stat bonus points values. At the end of the day i wouldnt expect more than 350 bonus stat points total on armor.
They could give use whatever number of stats they want.
Ideally, I would like them to make a fix equivalence between stats and boons/condition duration a bit like they did with ferocity so that way we can get those from gear fairly.
reminds me of the singing sword from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I’m still a big fan of Bonetti’s Rapier though.