Guild Wars 2

Hey folks,

This is going to be part rant, I’m sure. Just had my third failed run of HotW – in a row. Maybe someone here can point out what I’m doing wrong.

1 – advertise on LFG.com that it’s a dungeon party, paths 1/3, non-speed clear, anyone welcome.

2 – party fills, we start.

3 – two of us start killing things, room by room, not stacking, not jumping across gaps like squirrels on amphetamines.

4 – two or three of the other party members start raging about “you’ve got to stack here 111!!!!11!!!” or “skip the trash, noobs!”

5 – I point out that we advertised for a normal clear, and made sure everyone knew about it before we started.

6 – I get kicked, and since I make sure I’m the one opening the dungeon, the instance ends.

Seriously, people are joining without reading what the group is, then lying when asked point-blank whether they’re ok with the run taking 15 minutes instead of 12. What is wrong with people!

Also, dear Anet – you could make the dungeon’s more engaging for people if you had a “vanquish” mode, that gave substantially better rewards for clearing the path(s) you’ve chosen instead of skipping 99%+ of the content in an attempt to save a minute of time.

Blarg – rant off,

Stale.

Spam something like “KILLING EVERYTHING, LEAVE IF YOU WANT TO SKIP!!!!” few times on party chat before going in.

People are stupid. Speedruns also have the same issue.

Wethospu.6437:

People are stupid.

99% of the gw comm. in a nutshell

LF3m bearbows , ping cleric gear on join .
Stack=kick
Good dps=kick
Skip= kick
No wipe =kick
Pro = kick

Put this in your Lfg and those elitists will never join again .

There are several requirements to play GW2 but high school education isn’t one of them.

I have joined advertised Arah speedruns to find that majority of the party are first timers. The problem is universal and it isn’t skipping. It lies between the failure to read and failure to logic.

a t s e.9614:

LF3m bearbows , ping cleric gear on join .
Stack=kick
Good dps=kick
Skip= kick
No wipe =kick
Pro = kick

Put this in your Lfg and those elitists will never join again .

K, looking at this, and all I can think is;

I’m anti gear-check, so what you wear is your business.

If the bearbow was amusing, I’d put up with them a lot sooner than the speedclear ragers. (all I can ever picture is the angry german kid.)

Stack – there’s places where it’s useful (exploitative and breaking the game, but hey. queen spider and final boss of AC p3, it works, so whatever.)

My personal DPS is good (guardian, full zerker, 10/30/0/30/0, and I know how to dodge). I give the benefit of the doubt that most people understand how to deal damage.

Skip – depends on how you view skipping. If you’re running past mobs that will hamper people coming back from a WP, then yeah, imo you’re doing it wrong.

No Wipe – that’s my expectation. I don’t recall the last time I had a full wipe in a dungeon run.

Pro – if that’s how you describe yourself, I figure you should go somewhere and apply a taser directly to your genitals, repeatedly.

I put non speedclear because, to me, that’s no fun. I point out before we go in that the group isn’t doing a speedclear. Probably not going to kill everything, but if it get’s close enough to aggro, it will die. People agree, then, partway through, start to rage that we’re doing it “wrong” because they insist on trying to avoid/run through groups, and die because the rest of us are clearing out the area.

Time difference in HotW or AC is negligable, assuming everyone knows the dungeon.

Meh, whatever. I hope that Anet adds “vanquish” mode to the dungeons, or something to encourage people to actually play the content, instead of skipping it. Till then, guess I’ll have to learn this week’s approach to clearing each path.

Full zerker guardian is an exploit , you’re supposed to heal your party . That’s maybe why they kicked you :S you bypassed the guardian’s core mechanics .

I’m supposed to buff my party. Healing is your own concern. If regular blocks/blind enemies/protection/stability isn’t enough for you… well, learn to dodge, I suppose. There’s a difference between not being insane about the speedclear, and not knowing how to play at all.

a t s e.9614:

Full zerker guardian is an exploit , you’re supposed to heal your party . That’s maybe why they kicked you :S you bypassed the guardian’s core mechanics .

Troll breath is stinking up the thread.

OP, I feel your pain, but this goes both ways. Newer players joining skip groups and skippers joining full clears.

It comes down to people being barely aware of what they are signing them self up for for, for which I don’t think ANet can fix.

People are just messing with you, stale.

Wethospu.6437:

Spam something like “KILLING EVERYTHING, LEAVE IF YOU WANT TO SKIP!!!!” few times on party chat before going in.

People are stupid. Speedruns also have the same issue.

This is the truest advice that can be given to the issue posed in the OP. People are dumb, tell them repeatedly what you want as they join, and get rid of them if they don’t listen. That’s all can be said.

I know he was trolling – but I want a guardian’s true roll to be out there, for any others that read this thread.

I put something like "path x, no speed running, no “omg stack!11” in my lfg posts and haven’t had many problems. I usually run with at least one guild mate, and we don’t do CoF much, so maybe that helps.

Just make sure you always start the instance in these cases and at least that way they can’t hijack your run. I do find it interesting that no matter the type of run posted people don’t seem to pay attention before joining

stale.9785:

I’m supposed to buff my party. Healing is your own concern. If regular blocks/blind enemies/protection/stability isn’t enough for you… well, learn to dodge, I suppose. There’s a difference between not being insane about the speedclear, and not knowing how to play at all.

Why would I want to hit 1 target when I can hit 5 at a time?

Why would I want to get hit by ranged attack, when I can stack and be protected inside a guardian’s spirit shield?

Why would a thief want to blind only 1 target when he can blind every enemy?

Why would I purposely want to do less dmg because I’m too far away to get dmg buff.

Why would I purposely want to hit 1 target when I can aoe and hit everything.

Why would I not want to get close to my partymate so I can aoe heal them.

The problem isn’t people are stacking. The problem is game design.

Do you see healer stacking in other mmorpg? No because the heal range is far enough. And single target heal heal for more.

Do you see everyone stacking that much in other game? No because by design it isn’t better to stack that much.

You see what Anet did with the new TA path right? you can’t skip it. The problem isn’t about people are skipping. The problem is the older dungeon are designed which can be skipped.

Blame Anet, not the player.

I raised the issues of stacking being overpowered (projectile reflection too) way back last september and fondly called it the ‘bot formation’. But the pvt supporters were like no it’s weak bosses would just kill you blah blah.

But yeah, I did suggest they make AoE might and support ranges further but noooo.

a t s e.9614:

LF3m bearbows , ping cleric gear on join .
Stack=kick
Good dps=kick
Skip= kick
No wipe =kick
Pro = kick

Put this in your Lfg and those elitists will never join again .

Thank you. I’ve had the best laugh of this week.
But I agree with the previous posts, OP: make sure people understand the terms and respond. Especially if you suspect they are not native english speakers – mainly obvious [FR], [DE] and [SP] server and guild tags.

Last time when we used lfg for cof p2 we got a guy who started raging at us when we started p2. He was like “wth, p1 you noobs” and then left.
Reading skills are very weak in pug people.

I think you did everything you could. Between putting it in the advertisement and making sure you were the instance owner.

Only other thing I could think of is get a like minded friend and if they notice people trying to kick you, kick the person that voted to kick first.

Also Wethospu’s suggestion of restating the party’s description in party chat before starting.

But yeah, it happens everywhere. My favorite is when I join generic “path #” runs ask if anyone doesn’t know the path and have no reply. When it becomes apparent one or more doesn’t know the path and say wait up so I can explain, only to see them rush off into a fight.

^ He said non speed run. He didn’t say being purposely inefficient for no reason.

“Oh, I’ll purposely not stacking just to make the run less efficient”. “Oh I can just run pass this mobs, but I won’t do it”. He should put no stacking and no skipping in the comment.

non speed run usually mean casual runs mostly for inexperienced player.

laokoko.7403:

^ He said non speed run. He didn’t say being purposely inefficient for no reason.

non speed run usually mean casual runs mostly for inexperienced player.

Pretty much this, when i joined any non-speed run group back when i was starting i expected something more laid-back, with explanations, and maybe some little extra trash killing, not “screw efficient strategy”. IMO OP should be clearer when making a non skip-and-stack group (wethospu’s suggestion should do the trick).