Guild Wars 2

Hi,

I don’t fractal much, but I do want to get into it. So I’m looking at ascended equipment upgrades from the point of view of “good for PvX and occasional fractal”.

With the new Versatile Simple Infusions (7AR), I noticed that if you want to do high-level fractals, this leaves no room for the other stats, e.g. 5 toughness. I consider taking fourteen +7s into all your ascended equipment an act of trashing your hard work. I’d much rather have something like Resilient Infusions (5AR, 5 toughness), but oh wait…these are only 5 AR. So all that spending of Mystic Coins, Karka Shells, Armored Scales was all for nothing because after all that, you can only do Fractal 50.

Solution: I suggest introducing +7 AR, +5 <something> infusions, which can be easily and cheaply upgraded from the +5 AR, +5 <something> versions. Then people who don’t want to trash their armor with Fractal-only upgrades can feel much better about joining the fractal fun while also using the same set for other PvX activities.

icy`

P.S. link to current list of infusions (the fine/blue ones basically) — http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infusion

Armed Silon Il.4597:

The +7’s only go into upgraded rings and back not the rest of armor/weapons etc

So wrong facepalm. The versatile +7 replace the versatile +5 on all your gear. What you are talking is +1 that can be crafted into higher AR. If you want to do fractal 100, you would want 2 x +11 and 3 x +10.

And yes OP, that would be nice to be able to replace your infusion +5 AR, +5stats for some +7AR, +5stats. SOme people spend a lot of gold on those infusion. But I don’t know why you would put that much gold into +5 Toughness for fractal tbh.

But I don’t know why you would put that much gold into +5 Toughness for fractal tbh.

Maybe you’re super rich and have a hundred different ascended sets, with one dedicated to fractals, but I don’t. I’m in the process of setting up an ascended set I can use everywhere… simple +7s look a bit silly to me outside of fractals.

504 gold for +70 toughness and Thaddeus.4891 is the rich guy?

harold, thanks for the numbers. If it costs that much, then yeah, it’ll take a bit of time, but I was hoping to do it once. Alternative of having a second set of ascended is not cheap either, though ;P

I just don’t believe 70 in any status will be required/lifeChanger/Required or have any REAL impact on anything(except speed records maybe), so moneyWise(you should do this if you are poor), get one ascended set with agony resist only, because agony resist is REQUIRED on fractals, 70 toughness (specially toughness) is not required in anything.

icy.9250:

But I don’t know why you would put that much gold into +5 Toughness for fractal tbh.

Maybe you’re super rich and have a hundred different ascended sets, with one dedicated to fractals, but I don’t. I’m in the process of setting up an ascended set I can use everywhere… simple +7s look a bit silly to me outside of fractals.

What?? If my character do fractal, i only put versatile +7 AR on them. If they never go into fractal I use +5 stats from WvW with no AR on them.

If you go for +5 AR and +5 Stats, that’s where it start to be freaking expansive.

My points is that why would you put +5 AR +5toughness on a character is totally useless. I could understand if you put a +5 toughness on a character that doesn’t do fractal.

Bro, we, maybe crafted 1 set, the rest we got from armor chest from fractals.
Also you don’t need toughness on fractals, the higher the level the less the bosses are hitting.

RSLongK.8961:

the higher the level the less the bosses are hitting.

Thats not true, is almost the same damage, but not less.

Thaddeus.4891:

icy.9250:

But I don’t know why you would put that much gold into +5 Toughness for fractal tbh.

Maybe you’re super rich and have a hundred different ascended sets, with one dedicated to fractals, but I don’t. I’m in the process of setting up an ascended set I can use everywhere… simple +7s look a bit silly to me outside of fractals.

What?? If my character do fractal, i only put versatile +7 AR on them. If they never go into fractal I use +5 stats from WvW with no AR on them.

If you go for +5 AR and +5 Stats, that’s where it start to be freaking expansive.

My points is that why would you put +5 AR +5toughness on a character is totally useless. I could understand if you put a +5 toughness on a character that doesn’t do fractal.

So you don’t have a “main” that can just do everything? idk… switching to a dedicated fractal character seems strange to me. If you say it’s cheaper, I believe you. But wouldn’t you rather not have to make another armor set, possibly another character to wear it, etc.?

I agree with OP.
IMO tossing three +7 infusions and 1 offensive/defensive infusion into the mystic forge should be a thing.

It doesn’t even matter if it’s cost effective, it’s the fact people originally spent money on those infusions and can’t use them now on high scales, thus a way to upgrade them into +7AR and +7stat or at least +7AR and +5 stat is required.

icy.9250:

So you don’t have a “main” that can just do everything? idk… switching to a dedicated fractal character seems strange to me. If you say it’s cheaper, I believe you. But wouldn’t you rather not have to make another armor set, possibly another character to wear it, etc.?

Yes my main can do everything. I don’t need +70 stats from Infusion to do everything.

Thaddeus.4891:

Yes my main can do everything. I don’t need +70 stats from Infusion to do everything.

You derail a conversation with troll posts and then feel entitled to get mad when people snip back? Maybe add something of value to the thread next time, and you won’t leave angry and confused.

Everyone else is cool with the cheap-looking +7s on your shiny ascended?

icy.9250:

Everyone else is cool with the cheap-looking +7s on your shiny ascended?

The vast vast majority of players are ok because they used to have +5 on their shiny ascended. Very few people spend the hundreds of gold to get the +5AR + 5 stats.

That doesn’t invalidate your point. We should be able to replace +5AR + 5Stats infusion into +7AR + 5 stats infusion at the vendor. It’s just that this situation don’t apply to the vast majority of players so not much people are really upset about it.

You know you can still get 150 AR (max) even when you have all the 5 stat/5 ar ones right?

You’ll need 14 slots of +5 that’s 70 AR
Then Anet has carefully made sure you have 5 other slots (2 on each rings) and 1 on the back piece. So for the last 80 AR, you’ll need 80/5 = 16 AR on each of those slot.

Yup. 14 of the +5 stats, then 5 +16 AR infusions.

I agree with this.

It took me quite some time to finish out my 5/5 set, and I actually did it for the stats, and so that I didn’t have to swap gear to go from fractals to other PvE.

Those 7 AR ones are nice, but for someone who has a set of 5/5, they aren’t really usable without spending a fortune on extractors or changing characters.

If I had a simple MF recipie to upgrade my existing 5/5 to a 7/5 that would be nice. Even if it cost a little extra.

• 5/5 infusion
• 7 infusion
• vial of mist essence
• Glob of ectoplasm

This is a reasonable recipie, the rarest bit being the vial, which seems pretty fair, as you’re probably not worried about upgrading these infusions until you’re no longer saving up the vials for something else, as you’ll get way more AR for your buck with an an AR infusion slot anyway.

I mean, top end infusions are really overpriced anyway, and are all about having something to spend money on so you can minmax with very little return on value anyway.

BaconofPigs.1683:

You know you can still get 150 AR (max) even when you have all the 5 stat/5 ar ones right?

You’ll need 14 slots of +5 that’s 70 AR
Then Anet has carefully made sure you have 5 other slots (2 on each rings) and 1 on the back piece. So for the last 80 AR, you’ll need 80/5 = 16 AR on each of those slot.

Yup. 14 of the +5 stats, then 5 +16 AR infusions.

You are technically right but the price OMG. The normal way to get 150 will cost you 96 gold to get 3 x +10 and 2 x +11.

Getting 5 x +16? It will cost you 2 450 gold in Reagent only. You will also need 163 840 +1 Infusion that if you buy on the TP will cost you 1 982 gold.

Ya the option exist, but it will cost you 4432 gold, which is insane.

are there some news about it? actually all these really expensive infusions are totally useless now.

icy.9250:

harold, thanks for the numbers. If it costs that much, then yeah, it’ll take a bit of time, but I was hoping to do it once. Alternative of having a second set of ascended is not cheap either, though ;P

If you do high level fractals regularly it’s even free, because it drops from the daily champion chests.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Champion_Chest_of_the_Mists

I use my fractal toon in PvE all the time. +70 toughness is a drop in the bucket in pve and wont make or break you for any content. Seems like you are complaining over nothing. If you want the +5/5 you are gonna have the pay the price for it. Also +7 isnt required for fractals, its a luxury, just like +5/5.

FrostDraco.8306:

I use my fractal toon in PvE all the time. +70 toughness is a drop in the bucket in pve and wont make or break you for any content. Seems like you are complaining over nothing. If you want the +5/5 you are gonna have the pay the price for it. Also +7 isnt required for fractals, its a luxury, just like +5/5.

For 91+ (which, admittedly, no one runs) it would be a requirement though; or at least, you’d blow up your wallet forever if you go +5+5 with high ring trinket infusions.

Also, this is something that should be adressed simply because people spent money on it + even if you think that’s not a large amount of stats, it still matters for minmaxers.

icy.9250:

So you don’t have a “main” that can just do everything? idk… switching to a dedicated fractal character seems strange to me. If you say it’s cheaper, I believe you. But wouldn’t you rather not have to make another armor set, possibly another character to wear it, etc.?

For the record, I do this! I have different characters devoted to different content. I at one time had a main, but, as began to play more and do more diverse stuff, it simply became easier to make an alt devoted to a specific kind of content.

Yes, I get poked fun at by my guild mates sometimes, because I swap characters when we change what we are doing. Doing a Fractal, let me swap, Doing WvW, let me swap, going to run a Dungeon, Let me Swap, Wanna do some PvP, let me Swap.

Now they have made PvP easier so that I don’t need to swap, but.. I did that before the current change, so now it’s just kinda habit, which I am slowly breaking. Anyway, moving on.

But yes.. I have a dedicated Character just for Fractals, of course they can do other content, nothing is in fact stopping them, but, I have designed them to handle the fractal environment better then any other character I have.

To this end, I have made sure that all their Accessories are Infused and Upgraded, I focused on getting those +7’s Versatile, as well as the +10’s and +11’s. They are the one that I am focusing on full ascended for, right down to the Aquatic Weapons and Rebreather.

By dividing like this, it allows me to also realize I don’t need some things, like for example, since they are doing mainly fractals, that Run Speed Augment, that would be a must for my Open World and WvW characters, is not needed for that one, since none of the content is contingent upon run speed, it’s all pretty tight to be honest.

Also doing it this way, justifies my alts, if they are all built with a designed with the same purpose, then they are just simply distractions from each other, but each has a direct function, each becomes viable in their own way. If I have one main that could do it all, any other character becomes redundant or a distraction from my main Do-All. Or such is my mindset on the matter, no one needs to agree with me on this.

For me, by having characters that each have devoted functions, each gets played equally and I don’t feel like I am loosing progress if I play one over another, nor do I feel the need to outfit them equally. If they have what they need for what I want them for, then they are done.

Case in point, I have a warrior I do map exploration/guild events with, exotic armor/weapons, some ascended trinkets, nothing infused, and they are fully sufficient for the content they will face. If I put an infusion into them, it will be a +5 Stat, no Angoy. Equally so, for my WvW Character, any Infusion they get, will be in regards to WvW, -1% Damage from Guards, Etc.

This way, I never feel bad about what choices of upgrades I take, they have a function, and point. I don’t need 3 sets of armor on the same character, I have 3 separate characters, each might be a build better suited for what they do. IE: I have a Necro for WvW, and Ranger for Open World, and a Warrior I do Map Exploration with (Asura, so those pesky Jump Vistas are easier to do, well easier for me then a huge Norn)

Just saying, yes there are players that do this, and we have our reasons, nothing is ever odd, it’s just what works for them, To some of us, it’s easier to just swap Characters then it is to build 2 or more sets of gear for the Same Character. I guess it is all in how you play, and what you enjoy.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

FrostDraco.8306:

I use my fractal toon in PvE all the time. +70 toughness is a drop in the bucket in pve and wont make or break you for any content. Seems like you are complaining over nothing. If you want the +5/5 you are gonna have the pay the price for it. Also +7 isnt required for fractals, its a luxury, just like +5/5.

For 91+ (which, admittedly, no one runs) it would be a requirement though; or at least, you’d blow up your wallet forever if you go +5+5 with high ring trinket infusions.

Also, this is something that should be adressed simply because people spent money on it + even if you think that’s not a large amount of stats, it still matters for minmaxers.

Objectively is it still a small amount of stats. It can matter to them, however when they argue that its a big deal, then i draw the line. That argument is entirely subjective as far ‘how much does 5 stats mean to me’ goes.

Speaking of which, this person could run 12-13 infusion in the other slots and they would be fine. They aren’t too expensive.

Lol assuming you don’t use food, traits and gear that gives you toughness, it increases your armor by 3,5% for light, 3,3% for medium and 3,0% for heavy armor set. And it’s just one attribute, so it’s less than 1% of your all stats.
One “extra” player in 100v101 zerg fight has brutally more influence on fight’s results, even if each person from the “100” team has this +70 “boost” More players will break the fight and log out, because their mom will call them for the dinner

Now the real question would be (I believe this is what Thaddeus was hinting at) why would you ever want to use +toughness stat infusions on your gear. If you are about to spend a ton of gold on near uselss stat upgrades, at least get some useful damage stat.

That being said, if you are about to waste so much gold anyway, why not go allout. Get the +5 ar +5 random stat, then instead of using 3×10 + 2×11 agony infusions in your rings and backpack upgrade those babys to 4×15 + 1×16 agony infusions. That should cover your 24 agony resistance loss and it’s even below 2k gold more. Worth it!

With the reworked dailies and making us run up to scale 100 for more rewards, this is now more important than ever. Can we please get a response on the topic?

Yesterday I contacted support about this issue/bug, their respons was to post it on the forum. And here I found this thread.

Few years back I made quite a few of the +5 AR +5 Power Infusions, since the update it’s going to be real expensive to get to 150AR if I want to keep using the +5 AR + 5 Power Infusions.

Request: Make the +5 AR +5 Power (any stat) upgradable to +7 AR +5 Power.
An MF recipe, or the merchant inside the Mistlock would do.