Guild Wars 2

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Sheesh. I spent a few hours the other night really trying to hone my rotation on staff Ele, and I still can only realistically hit about 28k on a large hitbox. I don’t have power infusions, sure, but there’s no way it contributes that much damage. When comparing with the [qT] rotation builds, for some reason staff Ele is the only class where I can’t make within 5% of the expected value on average. Is there some trick that I’m missing here?

P.S. I realize you’re using FGS for damage in this rotation, whereas I didn’t because I was comparing with [qT]‘s rotation. This is what I’m comparing against: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpYbtb5mSFg&feature=youtu.be&t=108

This is my setup: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFAWn0XCNNgVPAmNAcYiFBALIAUAOACXySQKwN1ObztA-ThBBAB5pDoS1fC4BAAwFA4MlgYt/o8jUADMGA-e

EDIT: Now that I’m thinking about it more, I actually think I only put Vulnerability on the golem and didn’t give it burning. That would account for a 10% multiplier I’m missing.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Sheesh. I spent a few hours the other night really trying to hone my rotation on staff Ele, and I still can only realistically hit about 28k on a large hitbox. I don’t have power infusions, sure, but there’s no way it contributes that much damage. When comparing with the [qT] rotation builds, for some reason staff Ele is the only class where I can’t make within 5% of the expected value on average. Is there some trick that I’m missing here?

P.S. I realize you’re using FGS for damage in this rotation, whereas I didn’t because I was comparing with [qT]‘s rotation. This is what I’m comparing against: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpYbtb5mSFg&feature=youtu.be&t=108

This is my setup: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFAWn0XCNNgVPAmNAcYiFBALIAUAOACXySQKwN1ObztA-ThBBAB5pDoS1fC4BAAwFA4MlgYt/o8jUADMGA-e

EDIT: Now that I’m thinking about it more, I actually think I only put Vulnerability on the golem and didn’t give it burning. That would account for a 10% multiplier I’m missing.

28k is way too low to the point that you have to be making a mistake with the settings. Double check that you have all the relevant buffs on, including things like 5 stacks of gotl (not just 1) and make sure you actually apply 25 vuln instead of just 1 stack.

Other than that the best advice I can give on staff ele rotations is to make sure you aren’t cancelling autoattacks. When the golem first came out I discovered I had been losing a lot of DPS by doing this. Another consideration is that the start of the DPS test is a huge deal since you get to use overload air for “free” with full might etc. If you really need to see those big numbers to feel validated you may want to practice just the beginning on a 1m HP golem.

I wouldn’t worry about doing the rotation the way the OP of this thread did. Don’t get me wrong the DPS he achieved is extremely impressive but ultimately it’s unrealistic for a raid scenario. Moving around the way he did would likely result in lost buffs from the mesmer and druid, plus the chance of running into obstacles and losing scholar buff is higher. And of course that’s assuming you will actually be able to pick up your conjures again. Maybe you could pull it off against gorseval with a DH to aegis slams if you didn’t have to clear orbs, but that’s about the only scenario I can think of where this rotation would be better than staff rotation you linked.

Good luck dude.

Dinosaurs.8674:

28k is way too low to the point that you have to be making a mistake with the settings. Double check that you have all the relevant buffs on, including things like 5 stacks of gotl (not just 1) and make sure you actually apply 25 vuln instead of just 1 stack.

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This is all really good advice. I know I’m not messing up my autos (I have been watching carefully for that), but I was thinking I might be missing canceling aftercasts or some trick like that. I’ve heard some mention about that on Reddit

Is it really 5 GotL stacks? [qT]‘s website says 3. I actually think I may have been using 2 like the old setup with Revenant. Let me just spell out my test cases here in case something glaring comes up. I already know that I’m missing the 10% modifier from burning and at least 1 GotL stack, so that’s 13% right there.

• 25 Might
• Fury
• Quickness
• 25 Vulnerability
• Alacrity
• Banners (Strength/Discipline)
• Empower Allies
• Spotter
• 2 Grace of the Land
• Frost Spirit
• Food/Utility

Anyway, I’ll keep at it.

The realistic one uses 3 gotl. 5 gotl is for unrealistic.

Bleh, alright. So with some more practice I hit 31.7k while missing 2% from infusions (according to [qT]) and 2% from using a cheaper food. Altogether that would put me at a pretty clean 33k, which is a far cry better than the 28k I had before, but still pretty far off from a 38k average. I noticed in the [qT] video that Flame Burst is being used basically off cooldown. Is that being used to interrupt the aftercast on Fireball? I also think that some part of what I’m messing up is that I’m casting Ice Bow 4 while Meteor Shower is still going on, which removes the Seaweed Salad modifier from Meteor Shower. I think based on the video that [qT] is autoing in air until MS finishes and then uses Frost Bow.

I guess I’ll just keep grinding the numbers, but after about 2 hours it isn’t improving any and it’s surprising that I’m as much as 15-20% off from the target still.

Cringe, that’s all.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Bleh, alright. So with some more practice I hit 31.7k while missing 2% from infusions (according to [qT]) and 2% from using a cheaper food. Altogether that would put me at a pretty clean 33k, which is a far cry better than the 28k I had before, but still pretty far off from a 38k average. I noticed in the [qT] video that Flame Burst is being used basically off cooldown. Is that being used to interrupt the aftercast on Fireball? I also think that some part of what I’m messing up is that I’m casting Ice Bow 4 while Meteor Shower is still going on, which removes the Seaweed Salad modifier from Meteor Shower. I think based on the video that [qT] is autoing in air until MS finishes and then uses Frost Bow.

I guess I’ll just keep grinding the numbers, but after about 2 hours it isn’t improving any and it’s surprising that I’m as much as 15-20% off from the target still.

I’m not aware of any aftercast cancelling interaction with Flame Burst.

Flame Burst is a little bit less damage / cast time than an autoattack. The reason you use it is 1.) it fills gaps smaller than 1s since it is faster than the auto, and 2.) it’s a easy filler that gives you a split second to think about what you’re going to press next without wasting much time. If you look at the rotation you linked there were at least a couple times where he definitely should not have used flame burst, but ultimately it’s not really that big of a deal since the skill casts so fast with quickness and the damage isn’t that bad.

The one thing to watch out for is that using flame burst when you have an autoattack casting will cancel it. This is a large damage loss.

Afaik flame burst is usually used to interrupt lava font aftercast. Although You can do it with auto attack as well, just spam 1 after lava font.

isn’t flame burst better than AA? from the number, it seems so.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Sheesh. I spent a few hours the other night really trying to hone my rotation on staff Ele, and I still can only realistically hit about 28k on a large hitbox. I don’t have power infusions, sure, but there’s no way it contributes that much damage. When comparing with the [qT] rotation builds, for some reason staff Ele is the only class where I can’t make within 5% of the expected value on average. Is there some trick that I’m missing here?

P.S. I realize you’re using FGS for damage in this rotation, whereas I didn’t because I was comparing with [qT]‘s rotation. This is what I’m comparing against: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpYbtb5mSFg&feature=youtu.be&t=108

This is my setup: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFAWn0XCNNgVPAmNAcYiFBALIAUAOACXySQKwN1ObztA-ThBBAB5pDoS1fC4BAAwFA4MlgYt/o8jUADMGA-e

EDIT: Now that I’m thinking about it more, I actually think I only put Vulnerability on the golem and didn’t give it burning. That would account for a 10% multiplier I’m missing.

28k is really low dps. Its about good rotation and luck(RNG). Because if i have no RNG i also hit sometimes low numbers with my meteorshower.
I just used FGS for highest dps.
Retreat is a thing… If u would miss Mesmer wells dont use it just AA.

It’s great you can achieve that much on an enemy that does absolutely nothing, but sit there as a punching bag. In a real time confrontation how much dps can you really achieve? Regardless it’s very impressive.

The only thing usefull on this video is the burst damage phase. The rest is totally useless because you can’t do that during a raid due to buff limitation & some encounters.

It’s like qt using fresh air staff during encounters, they don’t even use FGS that much nor they use the perfect rotation from the golem.

@Rising Dusk, I think your issue is the fact that you have to be faster with your skills. First time I tested the rotation I was around 43k then it was better and pretty similar.
Oh and you can activate the option where your aoe are automatically perfectly on the target, for even more dps, because you lose micro second using your mouse. (dont use it during raid ofc)

It’s usefull for testing your rapidity tho.