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lol whats ar?
well to sum it up his “experience” might not account for lvl 10+ as from what i’m reading between the lines is that it is his first time doing 10+
maybe that can shed some light ?
and those who haven’t done 10+ might not know about it etc … its then not a case of experience in fractals just no experience in 10+ fractals which to say the least are another lvl then under 10 …
you get my point ?
no i don’t see your point, the guy wants experienced ppl but has NO IDEA what agony resist is, so clearly he hasn’t bothered to educate himself about the part of the game he has easily spent 10-20 hours in already and is wasting other peoples time because of it. should anet clearly explain agony resistance ingame somewhere? perhaps, is it their job to spoonfeed every player that can’t be bothered to look anything up himself? not at all.
what a joke… ppl like that annoy the crap out of me, i try to educate my guildies best i can so they dont end up making a fool of themselves like that guy.
>> “daily” which in the fractal community means he runs that fractal daily for chest/relics/loot whatever.
>> “experienced” means he knows the dungeon, clearly not if he don’t even know what ar is
If people don’t know what these terms mean, they should not use them when advertising.
He came across as some really low level player trying to hitch an easy ride with experienced players to me :P
p.s. found an experienced group and done fast level 10, about 45 minutes (7200 karma) not bad + cores and a few rares.
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yes i do see both your points but some ppl do tend to have different perception of the meaning of some terms used in game.
i get his point of not knowing what AR means (maybe he just didn’t know the short hand for it) just an assumption
Or as you said he probably didn’t educate himself on the differences of 10+ and might have thought it was like 9- second assumption
no way of really knowing which one fits other than getting in his head but just like a coin everything has 2 sides …
yes i do see both your points but some ppl do tend to have different perception of the meaning of some terms used in game.
i get his point of not knowing what AR means (maybe he just didn’t know the short hand for it) just an assumption
I think that’s what it was.
Heck, I clicked on the topic if only because I had no clue what the thread would be about and considering all the shorthand people write for EVERYTHING he might have just been momentarily baffled.
And it’s not like he didn’t know what Agony Resist was (he understood the next response right after)
no i don’t see your point, the guy wants experienced ppl but has NO IDEA what agony resist is, so clearly he hasn’t bothered to educate himself about the part of the game he has easily spent 10-20 hours in already and is wasting other peoples time because of it. should anet clearly explain agony resistance ingame somewhere? perhaps, is it their job to spoonfeed every player that can’t be bothered to look anything up himself? not at all.
The problem is, this player could easily not have spent any hours in FotM yet. He could have been a level 1 player who assumed that higher Fractals = better loot, even if you personally aren’t at that level.
This is pretty distressing, and I’ve been seeing a lot of it since the 28 January patch. People with no prior experience PUG their way into a 10+ Fractal and have no idea how and why they’re dragging the whole team down.
yes i do see both your points but some ppl do tend to have different perception of the meaning of some terms used in game.
i get his point of not knowing what AR means (maybe he just didn’t know the short hand for it) just an assumption
I think that’s what it was.
Heck, I clicked on the topic if only because I had no clue what the thread would be about and considering all the shorthand people write for EVERYTHING he might have just been momentarily baffled.
And it’s not like he didn’t know what Agony Resist was (he understood the next response right after)
I’m not convinced. Agony Resistance isn’t referred to by any other terminology and AR is very commonly used shorthand, so vocabulary mix-up seems virtually impossible. Furthermore, if you even just skim the wiki page on Agony Resist, it makes it very clear that the mechanic comes into play at levels 10+. Moreover, this player shouldn’t be filtering recruitment to a dungeon run on a criteria which he himself cannot pass. If you aren’t aware that you need AR for 10+, you aren’t experienced, period.
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I’m not convinced. Agony Resistance isn’t referred to by any other terminology and AR is very commonly used shorthand, so vocabulary mix-up seems virtually impossible. Furthermore, if you even just skim the wiki page on Agony Resist, it makes it very clear that the mechanic comes into play at levels 10+. Moreover, this player shouldn’t be filtering recruitment to a dungeon run on a criteria which he himself cannot pass. If you aren’t aware that you need AR for 10+, you aren’t experienced, period.
It’s a common shorthand and therefore is impossible to mix up? I’m already thinking of several things AR stood for in various other MMOs I’ve played…so it’s impossible to mix up!?
Also, I didn’t bother getting any agony resist until around lvl 16 but haven’t bothered to get past 18 because I’m playing an alt and don’t feel like starting over on him. I don’t recall there ever being a requirement to have agony resists…
I agree on some points with you blue but not of the short hand meaning of AR. I myself was baffled the first time people told me it was not what it meant, in the previous MMO I played where AR = Attack Rating. Yes he should have done his research more on how fractals are but lets be real most people don’t and just learn on the fly / in game.
I feel like “experienced only” is the biggest red flag in a lfg listing.
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It’s a common shorthand and therefore is impossible to mix up? I’m already thinking of several things AR stood for in various other MMOs I’ve played…so it’s impossible to mix up!?
Also, I didn’t bother getting any agony resist until around lvl 16 but haven’t bothered to get past 18 because I’m playing an alt and don’t feel like starting over on him. I don’t recall there ever being a requirement to have agony resists…
It’s the only shorthand used for Agony Resist in this game, and no other game terminology uses the abbreviation “AR” (the hero panel refers to the stat Attack, but not Attack Rating). Agony Resist is only used for FotM. Impossible was perhaps to strong a word, but if you’re a player experienced at running Fractals at 10+, I simply don’t buy it that they got confused about the abbreviation.
As for requirements for AR… strictly speaking, that’s true, but Jade Maw’s agony becomes a guaranteed kill without it.
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I didn’t know what AR was until this thread, though I’m familiar with Agony Resist.
I didn’t know what AR was until this thread, though I’m familiar with Agony Resist.
Frankly, despite being an interesting question, the issue of whether the individual knew what Agony Resistance was or that “AR” referred to it and it only in this game is irrelevant.
The fact remains that he created a listing specifying “experienced players only” and was unaware that AR is necessary (and by extension, that agony comes into play as a mechanic) at level 10+. Since level 10 is an even-numbered Fractal meaning a guaranteed Jade Maw encounter, meaning in turn exposure to unavoidable agony, there is simply no way this player could have any experience running Fractals at 10+ and not be aware of Agony’s introduction at that point.
It could be that he’s heard lvl 10+ = great loot and wants experienced people to teach him what to do as he knows zilch. Good luck with that.
I’m pretty sure he meant experienced with the dungeon at lvl 10 not to understand all the shorthand words the cool kids at 30+ use. You don’t need agony resistance at lvl 10 and if this is all the guy does (thus being experienced at the lvl 10 fractal) then it’s not odd that he might not have heard of AR.
You can be experienced with the dungeon without knowing the ropes at higher levels. So yes your definition of ‘experienced’ doesn’t apply. To be honest, I wouldn’t have inv you either if I got that kind of response of someone.
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I dunno, I knew what agony resist was, but had never once seen it shortened to ar. Then again I only do things with my guild and they have just always called it agony for short without actually making it abbreviated. I see those in the game all the time, and don’t know what they mean because if you ask people tell you you’re stupid. Even if you know what it is if it were just spelled out. You could have just simply explained it.
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It doesn’t sound like he was saying he was experienced, more like he wanted experienced people to run with.
Either way it would have been easy and a nice thing to do to simply explain it to him / her.