Guild Wars 2

GRIND, we all were told this game was designed for no grind, that’s wholeheartedly false.

How can this be reduced in this games current form?

Is the perceived grind just an exxageration? If so how can this perception be adjusted?

Do we as gamers feel the Devs see our point of view on this?

Will communication on this subject happen?

So just some thoughts I would like to discuss with my fellow players. I will gladly take my infraction for asking such slanderous questions. As long as we get to discuss this.

There is a grind …..for legendary weapons. It’s intended.
People take what Mike O’Brien said out of context.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

All other gear comes very easily in GW2 and you can play all content in blues and greens if you want.

Dradiin.8935:

How can this be reduced in this games current form?

Tweaking the RNG to actually pay attention to what the players in a group need when running fractals would be a HUGE start. Also, reducing the number of particular items needed to craft/infuse stuff would be another.

Dradiin.8935:

Is the perceived grind just an exxageration? If so how can this perception be adjusted?

It could be an exaggeration, mainly brought on because people are preparing to have fun as opposed to having fun (you know, that thing the April Fools joke called “the Manifesto” said would never happen). Getting low level fractals groups are almost impossible, so you need to rush to higher levels in order to get in on the groups. This requires grind grind grinding to run fractals AT ALL, much less being able to run them regularly. If you are just hitting 80 now and don’t have your exotics, I feel sorry for you. Get to grinding!

Dradiin.8935:

Do we as gamers feel the Devs see our point of view on this?

No way. Every time there is a community complaint about an Arenanet decision, Anet immediately posts a blog patting themselves on the back for said decision and talking about how happy everyone is that the decision was made.

Dradiin.8935:

Will communication on this subject happen?

Communication in the form of being told to stfu and quit whining, maybe… and then a blog telling you how happy Arenanet perceives you as being over the change… but that’s about it

I’d be speaking for myself and only myself if I were you, Arjeidi. I’m a member of the Guild Wars 2 Community and I’d never say anything like this to someone.

Dradiin, you sound frustrated. I’ve experienced some frustration myself. All MMOs have some amount of grind and GW2 is better than a lot, I think, but it’s still here. Everyone has a point at which repetition becomes boring and having fun becomes a grind. For me, one of those points is crafting with passion flowers. lol

I’m not sure what the answer is. Grind keeps some folks busy, so MMOs employ it for this reason. I guess the issue is about balance. Has a game balanced grindy moments with other more engaging moments so that the good outweights the bad. This point, too, often varies by player.

Grinding? what grinding? If you level up and 100% all high level maps, you will have enough money to buy, not 1 but 2 full sets of exotic gear and weapons. I’m not even counting all the karma that you can get by simply doing dailies.

Are you talking about legendaries? Because if you are, i’m going to laugh at you. Or is it some specific weapons from the mystic forge? Those items are there to appeal to the hardcore players and people that play a lot. In their game’s announcement, they clearly mentioned they would appeal to both casual and hardcore players, people that like MMO and that don’t like MMO.

This game grinding is non existent, even less than some single player games i played.

if you make it a grind then undeniably there will be a grind. they can’t stop you from grinding if you truly want to do it. and if you don’t want to do it. don’t do it. simple. you can play the entire game on only greens and rare. not that exotics is hard to get but they are considerably more expensive then rares and greens.

Wow ( or similar games)
- you pay a subscription in order to be able to play the game. and you need to play and grind the game a lot in order to be able to experience new content.

Gw2 ( idk if there is other games like GW2 but if thereis. those games aswell)

-you buy the game, you play it a littlebit so you get some basic gear and jadajada. and then you can play the entire game. with that gear. no gated content and no need to play the game or grind it. they have yet to release content only lvl 80s with max exotics can experience.

Nebilim.5127:

Grinding? what grinding? If you level up and 100% all high level maps, you will have enough money to buy, not 1 but 2 full sets of exotic gear and weapons. I’m not even counting all the karma that you can get by simply doing dailies.

Are you talking about legendaries? Because if you are, i’m going to laugh at you. Or is it some specific weapons from the mystic forge? Those items are there to appeal to the hardcore players and people that play a lot. In their game’s announcement, they clearly mentioned they would appeal to both casual and hardcore players, people that like MMO and that don’t like MMO.

This game grinding is non existent, even less than some single player games i played.

Thanks for this response, I want a discussion about it. Can clearly see in my op that I am asking for both points of view here.

You don’t have to grind. Yes you can grind if you want to, but grinding only makes you look prettier. Statwise someone whose been 80 for a week or two will be the same as someone whose been 80 for 3 months and been grinding nonstop. He might be prettier, but his stats are the same.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

You don’t have to grind. Yes you can grind if you want to, but grinding only makes you look prettier. Statwise someone whose been 80 for a week or two will be the same as someone whose been 80 for 3 months and been grinding nonstop. He might be prettier, but his stats are the same.

What do you do in this game that doesn’t require grind? So if its optional point me to a part of the game that doesn’t require grind in some form or another?

please.

Dante.1508:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

You don’t have to grind. Yes you can grind if you want to, but grinding only makes you look prettier. Statwise someone whose been 80 for a week or two will be the same as someone whose been 80 for 3 months and been grinding nonstop. He might be prettier, but his stats are the same.

What do you do in this game that doesn’t require grind? So if its optional point me to a part of the game that doesn’t require grind in some form or another?

please.

well considering by the time you make it to max level you have all the karma and gold you need to get a set or two of exotics its an easy matter to run all the dungeons one’c or twice.

Jumping puzzle’s mostly arnt even level based soi you can do them as soon as you get to them.

Fractals you can run at the lower levels pretty early and see all of what thay have to offer

you can do Pretty much all the content without Grinding it out. HOW EVER if you want to look Pretty you may have to Grind out a dungeon or two, unless of cores you going for Gear you get from crafting than you may have to Farm alot

Dante.1508:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

You don’t have to grind. Yes you can grind if you want to, but grinding only makes you look prettier. Statwise someone whose been 80 for a week or two will be the same as someone whose been 80 for 3 months and been grinding nonstop. He might be prettier, but his stats are the same.

What do you do in this game that doesn’t require grind? So if its optional point me to a part of the game that doesn’t require grind in some form or another?

please.

Map completion and PvP. But yeah, that’s pretty much it, which is not how the game was advertised.

Personally, I’m just voting with my wallet and I encourage anybody else playing to do so.

ANet will not get a cent out of me until they do something about inflation and eliminate the required grind ( I don’t even ask they get rid of all of it because some masochistic people seem to like it, but the current amount is ridiculous). The grind was a promise they made that sold the game to a lot of people, and I’m not supporting liars. And what they’ve allowed to do to the economy is no less than robbery. If I’m to be expected to support liars and thieves, I can buy from korean farmers and at least get a decent return for my money. I won’t, but at this point it makes more sense than giving anything to ANet.

Now note, I personally really really trust the game designers. When it comes to people, I trust my gut, and I believe that the designers, artists, programmers and all the other incredibly talented men and women who made this game are people of integrity who just want to make something for people to enjoy. But, with the state of things, I wonder how much say the designers have in the game anymore, and how much say the Nexon ‘monetization’ specialists have. Because when it comes to the economic game of cheating your fans out of money, nobody outplays Nexon.

Karizee.8076:

There is a grind …..for legendary weapons. It’s intended.
People take what Mike O’Brien said out of context.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

All other gear comes very easily in GW2 and you can play all content in blues and greens if you want.

It doesn’t matter, even if that is the goal, they still fall short of it. I know exactly which weapon I want in this game, and it isn’t even legendary, but it is rare and made in the Mystic Forge out of high-level mats.

I saved every copper for two months to get it and used nearly all of my play time to get the mats I needed . It availed me seven of the stones I needed (out of 100), a handful of ectos, and fifty gold. Last I checked the weapon only cost forty five, so naturally I thought I could just buy the weapon. Nope. The price was then ninety five, and the cost of purchasing the remaining mats was well over 110 gold. Casual players cannot get anything when inflation outpaces gold gain by leaps and bounds.

Dradiin.8935:

GRIND, we all were told this game was designed for no grind, that’s wholeheartedly false.

There is no grind, exotic equipment is easily obtainable and getting to level 80 takes minimal effort.

The only “grind” in this game, is for cosmetic items. Legendary weapons, ect. And this is the way it should be. It’s completely optional, and you don’t have to partake in the grind if you don’t want.

Sunreva.8714:

Dradiin.8935:

GRIND, we all were told this game was designed for no grind, that’s wholeheartedly false.

There is no grind, exotic equipment is easily obtainable and getting to level 80 takes marginal effort.

Yeah, which is reached within the first month of play, after that what is there that doesn’t require grind? If the only purpose of the game is to get to level 80 with max gear, this game is pathetic, it was supposed to be more than that, it was advertised as more than that.

We believed in the ANet developers when they claimed they could make a game that was more than a leveling pyramid, was that belief misplaced?

Dradiin.8935:

So I know I am not allowed to question Anet unless I want an infraction, have my post deleted, or closed due to some obscure reason the mods have come up with to silence my slanderous voice hole. BUT, I think this needs to be discussed in a new thread.

GRIND, we all were told this game was designed for no grind, that’s wholeheartedly false.

How can this be reduced in this games current form?

Is the perceived grind just an exxageration? If so how can this perception be adjusted?

Do we as gamers feel the Devs see our point of view on this?

Will communication on this subject happen?

So just some thoughts I would like to discuss with my fellow players. I will gladly take my infraction for asking such slanderous questions. As long as we get to discuss this.

You are not allowed to do anything but kiss kitten on this forum mind you, but it doesn’t matter because even when anet “listened” they really didn’t. This game is still plagued with beta issues that were then (being looked into).

Also this game is a horrible grind-fest for anyone who doesn’t have a 2nd/3rd or 4th game to tide them over while playing Gw2 very casually (I workd 50+ hours) and still find it hard to log in for anything more than a daily/single event. As an mmorpg, this game fails horribly, they’ve taken all that was worth player time and destroyed it, made new things that made this game a wow clone i.e. sit in a town LFG for dungeons.

I think simply adding the concept of reward for play beyond the gameplay would go a long way to lessening the ‘sense’ of grind in the game. And, I’m just talking about the normal gearing up process, not grinding out a legendary. I’m very concerned about vertical progression being added to the game as it is outrageously grindy without it. My fear is the real grind yet awaits us.

Dante.1508:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

You don’t have to grind. Yes you can grind if you want to, but grinding only makes you look prettier. Statwise someone whose been 80 for a week or two will be the same as someone whose been 80 for 3 months and been grinding nonstop. He might be prettier, but his stats are the same.

What do you do in this game that doesn’t require grind? So if its optional point me to a part of the game that doesn’t require grind in some form or another?

please.

Dungeons

Fractals

WvW

PvP

Map completion

Jumping puzzles

Running around the map looking at the scenery

Whatever the hell you want. There is nothing, NOTHING in this game for you to do that requires a grind.

No mandatory grind. There’s the difference. You don’t need to do any mandatory grind to get your 80 fully viable in any situation, which a set of exotics is more than enough for. Hell, you can just hit the trading post and fully gear up in a matter of minutes if you wish.

Legendaries, etc… that’s optional grind. Grind you choose to do because of the shiny you’ll get. Totally different from the mandatory grind of treadmill style games where it’s a power chase into infinity and beyond.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Finishing my passion flower recipes does indeed require a grind.

Celtic Lady.3729:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Finishing my passion flower recipes does indeed require a grind.

Crafting is always a grind, pretty much in any game. The passion flowers though…your just asking for a headache there. I would wait till they fix Southsun before attempting to gather large amounts of passion flowers.

seriously, what’s with all those “GW2 is grind” threads lately?

it sure got it’s “grindy” moments if you choose to actually farm for materials, which you get enough from regular exploring/TP.

i admit, dungeons are kinda grindy…they could reduce the token price for dungeon gear.

but besides that, GW2 is far away from being a grinder…do you guys actually played a good ol’ k-mmo before?
i don’t mean those “western localized rate changed” ones.
like Ragnarok Online or Perfect World…those are grinders.

just 10 minutes on one spot and they call GW2 a grinder…geez

if you don’t like to farm for stuff just don’t do it! GW2 is made to please as many audiences as possible! ;D

there are poeple who likes mindless, zombie-like grind…those are complaining about DR btw…

i don’t like dungeons, for example, so i’m crafting my exotics.
some don’t like to craft and buying them through karma.
some don’t even want to lay a finger on jumping into the world of tyria and play the market, get rich and buy all the stuff they want.

choose what you like and not what you don’t like.

No, you don’t have to grind, but given there’s a horrible lack of worthwhile content later on (and yes I’m aware that’s a subjective thing), ultimately the attractive aesthetic long term goals become one of the few remaining things that people gravitate towards. Namely legendary weapons

But it’s at that point then that you begin to see the flaws in the system and given we just simply have BETTER options out there in the gaming world, and considering they don’t use the same flawed aspects in their cash shops or gameplay and offer up a more rewarding environment that seem to be evolving based on actual “needs” as opposed to just “cos we say so” well… honestly it just baffles me as to how certain choices were made when there has been huge successes by avoiding said choices.

The ideal that it’s a take it or leave it also puzzles me, when the main line of defense is to tell people to deal with it or bugger off politely. Generally that doesn’t help much in terms of discussion. So yeah, there’s no “mandatory” grind outside of one or two things, but it’s more an issue with WHERE the grind is, as opposed to it existing that the issue arises. And you’ll see all sorts of odd reasoning behind defending the decisions too. Fact of the matter is that at least to many, it no longer matters if we’re being infracted or not here, because any lingering care we have towards GW2 is fading fast.

killcannon.2576:

Celtic Lady.3729:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Finishing my passion flower recipes does indeed require a grind.

Crafting is always a grind, pretty much in any game. The passion flowers though…your just asking for a headache there. I would wait till they fix Southsun before attempting to gather large amounts of passion flowers.

And exactly what doesn’t depend on crafting? Every piece of fluff, everything that you can aim for beyond PvP and the games basic story is either made by crafting or in the mystic forge.

If crafting is a grind (which it is) then everything is a grind.

Karizee.8076:

There is a grind …..for legendary weapons. It’s intended.
People take what Mike O’Brien said out of context.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

All other gear comes very easily in GW2 and you can play all content in blues and greens if you want.

Your argument falls apart with the bolded statement. Tell me how I’ve misinterpreted that.

I’m still not seeing any grind, I have everything I want from just playing normally and having fun.

Maybe the complainers are just impatient.

emikochan.8504:

I’m still not seeing any grind, I have everything I want from just playing normally and having fun.

Maybe the complainers are just impatient.

It’s a simple concept, really. I’m a different person than you. With me so far? Therefore, my experiences are likely to be different from yours. And other players’ experiences are different from mine. Therefore, while you may not be experiencing grind in your play, others like me are. We’re not impatient. It’s a matter that some of what we enjoy in the game requires farming and/or grind at times.

Again, your experiences are not the entire sum of the whole world. It is therefore illogical to assume that since one person (you) are not experiencing grind, all the rest of the thousands of players are also not.

Celtic Lady.3729:

emikochan.8504:

I’m still not seeing any grind, I have everything I want from just playing normally and having fun.

Maybe the complainers are just impatient.

It’s a simple concept, really. I’m a different person than you. With me so far? Therefore, my experiences are likely to be different from yours. And other players’ experiences are different from mine. Therefore, while you may not be experiencing grind in your play, others like me are. We’re not impatient. It’s a matter that some of what we enjoy in the game requires farming and/or grind at times.

Again, your experiences are not the entire sum of the whole world. It is therefore illogical to assume that since one person (you) are not experiencing grind, all the rest of the thousands of players are also not.

I love this response. Well said.

In my experience, GW2 has some of the worst grind of any modern western MMO. (Post-Ascended)

Hellkaiser.6025:

No, you don’t have to grind, but given there’s a horrible lack of worthwhile content later on (and yes I’m aware that’s a subjective thing), ultimately the attractive aesthetic long term goals become one of the few remaining things that people gravitate towards. Namely legendary weapons

But it’s at that point then that you begin to see the flaws in the system and given we just simply have BETTER options out there in the gaming world, and considering they don’t use the same flawed aspects in their cash shops or gameplay and offer up a more rewarding environment that seem to be evolving based on actual “needs” as opposed to just “cos we say so” well… honestly it just baffles me as to how certain choices were made when there has been huge successes by avoiding said choices.

The ideal that it’s a take it or leave it also puzzles me, when the main line of defense is to tell people to deal with it or bugger off politely. Generally that doesn’t help much in terms of discussion. So yeah, there’s no “mandatory” grind outside of one or two things, but it’s more an issue with WHERE the grind is, as opposed to it existing that the issue arises. And you’ll see all sorts of odd reasoning behind defending the decisions too. Fact of the matter is that at least to many, it no longer matters if we’re being infracted or not here, because any lingering care we have towards GW2 is fading fast.

This is what I was thinking. Hardcore players would not need to grind if there was a sufficient amount of content for them to do. Just think of it this way, a hardcore player plays the game for a long time. The player is not going to get off and do other stuff…. he’s going to sit there and play that game. Now, he has to think about what he’s going to do for the day:

• 100% completion: That’s easy, it won’t take long to do (they probably have it)

• Dungeons: They have no use for these, other than CoF tokens, which they can get ecto with

• WvW: Minimal rewards are enough to drive a player away

• PvP: Absolutely no reward for PvE

• Fractals: The only real goal for fractals is the fractal capacitor back piece, which requires a grind of repeating the dungeon a large amount of times as well as a bunch of money for ectos. After they get this piece of equipment, they are pretty much done.

There’s nothing to do, so that leaves them with 2 options:

• Legendary weapon
• Finding another game

I’m sort of speaking with experience. I’d consider most of this on par with my feelings/thoughts on the game.

I have 3 character at level 80 and about 1200 hours into the game and I have stopped playing a couple weeks ago. Once you get to end game you don’t have to grind if you don’t want to but then you have nothing to do. The problem I think that anet is having at the moment is that the end game content isnt’ fun(at least imo). If it was fun, then it wouldn’t be labeled a grind. I have played games alot longer than I have played gw2 so I know that there is some gaming formula out there that does work better(at least for me) than what I experienced in gw2. I keep hearing that gw1 didn’t get to be a good game until after the first expansion so I’m hoping that after anet changes some things that it will be fun to play. If the game isn’t fun to you and feels too grindy all I can suggest is to check back after they changed things and see if it works better for what your looking for.

Honestly all the grind is 100% optional, unless you count running dungeons a few times for your exo gear as “grind”. Everything that you can get is cosmetic – sure, legendary and other rare exos are a kittening massive grind, but you don’t need to get them because they’re 100% cosmetic – zero benefit. Besides, even if you feel obliged to get some kind of cosmetic thing, there are differing levels of grind that you can go for so you can set your own – some forge exotics are not all that expensive, or you could look to get a full dungeon set, or you could look to aim for something like Dungeon Master (Which I did). You’re only grinding because you seem to want to – which confuses me, because it seems like you’re grinding in a game where it’s completely optional to grind and then complaining about having to grind.

Of course, that is all excluding Ascended but we all have our own opinion on that, that’s another story.

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

granted, it has been a couple weeks since I have played but is anyone doing lost shores for anything other than grinding shells for the apothocary gear or the rich ori vien? Its cool that they are releasing new content but I think it would be a better idea to improve the content that already exists.

As far as I can tell, Southsun Cove is the same as it was during the Nov. event. I kind of wish they’d tone down some of the vets out there and make certain crafting items drop more often. I’ve been farming out there lately and, on my server at least, it’s a good day if I see one other person running around.

Conncept.7638:

killcannon.2576:

Celtic Lady.3729:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Finishing my passion flower recipes does indeed require a grind.

Crafting is always a grind, pretty much in any game. The passion flowers though…your just asking for a headache there. I would wait till they fix Southsun before attempting to gather large amounts of passion flowers.

And exactly what doesn’t depend on crafting? Every piece of fluff, everything that you can aim for beyond PvP and the games basic story is either made by crafting or in the mystic forge.

If crafting is a grind (which it is) then everything is a grind.

She wants to grind a specific recipe (for whatever reason) I’m a master crafter for everything and I didn’t have to grind…at all.

Celtic Lady.3729:

As far as I can tell, Southsun Cove is the same as it was during the Nov. event. I kind of wish they’d tone down some of the vets out there and make certain crafting items drop more often. I’ve been farming out there lately and, on my server at least, it’s a good day if I see one other person running around.

I am curious why you want that particular mat, Is it just to have…like just because it’s there or what? You can hit 400 in JC without them at all.

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Karizee.8076:

There is a grind …..for legendary weapons. It’s intended.
People take what Mike O’Brien said out of context.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

All other gear comes very easily in GW2 and you can play all content in blues and greens if you want.

Thanks, that quote was helpful in my understanding of why Legendaries are so difficult. And to that, I respond with thus:

I firmly believe the current Legendary weapons aren’t worth a thousand of hour.

Maybe 200 to 250, but a thousand? Ugh.

For “a thousand hours”, I would expect an item like Sunrise to cloak my character in a shroud of light with shining wings, and the cries of angels roaring with each slash. There should be 2~4 distinctly unique and epic animations for each profession!
It should be so outrageously flashy and unique that players can’t help but be impressed… and annoyed… simultaneously!

For “a thousand hours”, and relatively no stat-increases, a player should be able to make himself stand out like the fricking He-Man saying “I HAVE THE POWER!”

Other games can reward players with both visuals AND stats.
In WoW, you can get an animated staff similar to the Legendary long-bow at level25~40. It grows flowers and leaves a small trail and is overall really cool. You’re telling me that something like that would take 500~1000 hours in GW2?

Hell no. That’s unacceptable.

If ANet wants to restrict it to visual-rewards, the visuals should be able to compensate for the lack of stat-rewards and they can’t be doing it by dumbing down the rest of the game to make Legendary items look better in comparison.

killcannon.2576:

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Gems → Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Gems -> Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

So buying gems is bad because you can buy gold to then buy mats, which others can farm for free, and sell to the people who buy gold, so they can get gold, to buy legendaries, because they farmed mats. Odd, never used gems for gold, but I have a full set of exotics, and play the game as well as anyone with a legendary or who have bought gold. I prolly play better though really, cause I’ve spent more time in game.

Explain to me how buying gems ruin the game again? Or are you just upset because someone has more imaginary gold than you?

Karizee.8076:

All other gear comes very easily in GW2 and you can play all content in blues and greens if you want.

Blues and Greens? Hey being Naked is way better.

killcannon.2576:

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Gems -> Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

So buying gems is bad because you can buy gold to then buy mats, which others can farm for free, and sell to the people who buy gold, so they can get gold, to buy legendaries, because they farmed mats. Odd, never used gems for gold, but I have a full set of exotics, and play the game as well as anyone with a legendary or who have bought gold. I prolly play better though really, cause I’ve spent more time in game.

Explain to me how buying gems ruin the game again? Or are you just upset because someone has more imaginary gold than you?

/shrug

All the same to me. I was just pointing that out. Personally, I’m fine with that fact that someone with deep pockets can have as much gold as their wallet will afford them. Time vs money and all that. If they have more money than time, then let em drop a $1,000, buy gold via gems and buy a legendary off AH with it. They’ll get their money’s worth.

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Gems -> Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

So buying gems is bad because you can buy gold to then buy mats, which others can farm for free, and sell to the people who buy gold, so they can get gold, to buy legendaries, because they farmed mats. Odd, never used gems for gold, but I have a full set of exotics, and play the game as well as anyone with a legendary or who have bought gold. I prolly play better though really, cause I’ve spent more time in game.

Explain to me how buying gems ruin the game again? Or are you just upset because someone has more imaginary gold than you?

/shrug

All the same to me. I was just pointing that out. Personally, I’m fine with that fact that someone with deep pockets can have as much gold as their wallet will afford them. Time vs money and all that. If they have more money than time, then let em drop a $1,000, buy gold via gems and buy a legendary off AH with it. They’ll get their money’s worth.

But…you didn’t point anything out, did you think it was news that gems could be turned to gold or something? Come on, you’re part of the conspiracy crowd. Hit me with your best shot.

killcannon.2576:

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Tolmos.8395:

killcannon.2576:

Conncept.7638:

Bullshizle.2675:

Oh come on guys,..

Be a bit realistic please, if you’d only had a clue how much time it costs to add new content, look at what they released the past couple of months.

They have to have some things in place to keep players busy, still they do not force you to do it.

They’re trying to make sufficient money between expansions by the gem-store alone. To do that, people have to stay and keep playing. For people to stay, they have to have things to do and goals to pursue in the game that don’t run away faster than you can pursue them, or require you to abandon all real-life pursuits to inhumanely time-consuming grind.

Either they fix this, or this game never reaches its potential, at some point the Nexon investors will push their way in because they’re not making enough money, and everything will go to hell from there.

Man, what are you babbling about? What do you think people are buying in the gem store that is the root of all this evil? Explain yourself man.

Gems -> Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

So buying gems is bad because you can buy gold to then buy mats, which others can farm for free, and sell to the people who buy gold, so they can get gold, to buy legendaries, because they farmed mats. Odd, never used gems for gold, but I have a full set of exotics, and play the game as well as anyone with a legendary or who have bought gold. I prolly play better though really, cause I’ve spent more time in game.

Explain to me how buying gems ruin the game again? Or are you just upset because someone has more imaginary gold than you?

/shrug

All the same to me. I was just pointing that out. Personally, I’m fine with that fact that someone with deep pockets can have as much gold as their wallet will afford them. Time vs money and all that. If they have more money than time, then let em drop a $1,000, buy gold via gems and buy a legendary off AH with it. They’ll get their money’s worth.

But…you didn’t point anything out, did you think it was news that gems could be turned to gold or something? Come on, you’re part of the conspiracy crowd. Hit me with your best shot.

lol “conspiracy crowd”. I like it. Sure, I’ll hop into the group with the everyone else. But in this regard I’m not in agreement. If someone has a financial advantage IRL, I see no reason why they should be any less available to use that in game than someone who has a time advantage IRL and uses it in game. I feel no different about that in this game than I do about it in EVE online with the PLEX system or Age of Wushu with its… well, pretty obvious P2W system lol.

You asked what the perceived evil about the gem store was. That’s the perceived evil. Thought of mainly by people who don’t feel a financial advantage should equal an in game advantage.

Dradiin.8935:

GRIND, we all were told this game was designed for no grind, that’s wholeheartedly false.

Where is this grind I don’t see it. Unless you want a Legendary, there is nothing grindy in the game. So what you were told is wholeheartedly true.

Tolmos.8395:

Gems -> Gold. Basically, buying gold with which to buy mats, gear, consumables, etc.

I can get all the mats, gear, consumables etc I’d ever need without using Gems and without grinding. I don’t know what you are doing wrong.

Tolmos.8395:

You asked what the perceived evil about the gem store was. That’s the perceived evil. Thought of mainly by people who don’t feel a financial advantage should equal an in game advantage.

The thing is you can get anything (stat-wise) easily without using your “financial advantage”… that advantage you are talking about will only allow you to get some better skins (including Legendaries) nothing that can affect your game in any way.

Tolmos.8395:

preparing to have fun as opposed to having fun

The former is doing it wrong and the later is the reality you want to achieve. You’re too focused on the end game when the point is to enjoy the game in general.

This is a beautiful engaging game with a wonderful story. A greater part of the fun to be had isn’t just the end game, but the getting there.

If you’re not having fun from start to finish, you need to stop what you’re doing and really consider why you’re playing at all.

Tolmos.8395:

It could be an exaggeration, mainly brought on because people are preparing to have fun as opposed to having fun (you know, that thing the April Fools joke called “the Manifesto” said would never happen). Getting low level fractals groups are almost impossible, so you need to rush to higher levels in order to get in on the groups. This requires grind grind grinding to run fractals AT ALL, much less being able to run them regularly. If you are just hitting 80 now and don’t have your exotics, I feel sorry for you. Get to grinding!

So what you are saying is that it requires grind to get gear (which it doesn’t, getting exotics is easy) and this grinding is preventing you from running high level Fractals

There is no “preparing to have fun”, unless your definition of fun for some twisted reason is running high level fractals. Last I checked you don’t have to run high level Fractals to have any fun. If you are below level 80 without even exotics you can do Fractals 1-3 rather easily, 4-6 as a level 80 with greens, there is no grinding required, it IS easy. Also, January patch will allow players to bypass that “problem” of low level Fractals.

No way. Every time there is a community complaint about an Arenanet decision, Anet immediately posts a blog patting themselves on the back for said decision and talking about how happy everyone is that the decision was made.

Not really.

Communication in the form of being told to stfu and quit whining, maybe… and then a blog telling you how happy Arenanet perceives you as being over the change… but that’s about it

If you read their blog posts you would know that’s not true, they do aknowledge their mistakes.

grinding? maybe to a modest degree perhaps, but compared to Tibia, WoW, Everquest, EQ2, SWTOR, SWG, and to a lesser extent, Run! escape!… wait, i meant Runescape… i don’t see the need to grind in GW2, even though it’s ideal to get to max level so that you are not an ankle biter in WvW, it’s not like it’s necessary to rush. the random events in this game is something that i have only seen in Tibia (except they are lame and far between in Tibia, meh), and the level scaling lets friends come help me level and stuff

not to mention that i can actually enjoy my main quest, every MMO i’ve played, i’ve had less than 3% interest in whatever quest i was doing (though i admit Runescape had some well thought out quests, but i honestly didn’t care quite that much behind them, lol), GW2 though feels like my decisions matter, and there’s cinematics and voice acting, it’s really nice ^.^

the only tedium i have to deal with is farming for craft supplies, but that isn’t too bad, because despite the long respawn, at least the harvest locations are usually static, and it’s convenient to have the option in your bag to send craft supplies to your bank from your bag

so i’m happy with GW2 <3

maddoctor.2738:

Tolmos.8395:

It could be an exaggeration, mainly brought on because people are preparing to have fun as opposed to having fun (you know, that thing the April Fools joke called “the Manifesto” said would never happen). Getting low level fractals groups are almost impossible, so you need to rush to higher levels in order to get in on the groups. This requires grind grind grinding to run fractals AT ALL, much less being able to run them regularly. If you are just hitting 80 now and don’t have your exotics, I feel sorry for you. Get to grinding!

So what you are saying is that it requires grind to get gear (which it doesn’t, getting exotics is easy) and this grinding is preventing you from running high level Fractals

There is no “preparing to have fun”, unless your definition of fun for some twisted reason is running high level fractals. Last I checked you don’t have to run high level Fractals to have any fun. If you are below level 80 without even exotics you can do Fractals 1-3 rather easily, 4-6 as a level 80 with greens, there is no grinding required, it IS easy. Also, January patch will allow players to bypass that “problem” of low level Fractals.

No way. Every time there is a community complaint about an Arenanet decision, Anet immediately posts a blog patting themselves on the back for said decision and talking about how happy everyone is that the decision was made.

Not really.

Communication in the form of being told to stfu and quit whining, maybe… and then a blog telling you how happy Arenanet perceives you as being over the change… but that’s about it

If you read their blog posts you would know that’s not true, they do aknowledge their mistakes.

I know this is kinda my issue but I got really annoyed(to the point where I don’t want to do them anymore) with fractals with all the dcing issues such as “your leader has just dced and your party has now disbanded and you lose all your progress.” I’m sorry but no matter what level it is, these situations aren’t fun. I will be happier when they put into place other ways of getting the ascended stuff which I do believe they said they are going to be doing.

Naracion.6597:

I know this is kinda my issue but I got really annoyed(to the point where I don’t want to do them anymore) with fractals with all the dcing issues such as “your leader has just dced and your party has now disbanded and you lose all your progress.” I’m sorry but no matter what level it is, these situations aren’t fun. I will be happier when they put into place other ways of getting the ascended stuff which I do believe they said they are going to be doing.

The DC issues have nothing to do with grinding though. The reason of this cleverly disguised OP was to point out that there is an extreme grind (but there isn’t)

Also, they are fixing the DC issue tomorrow

maddoctor.2738:

Naracion.6597:

I know this is kinda my issue but I got really annoyed(to the point where I don’t want to do them anymore) with fractals with all the dcing issues such as “your leader has just dced and your party has now disbanded and you lose all your progress.” I’m sorry but no matter what level it is, these situations aren’t fun. I will be happier when they put into place other ways of getting the ascended stuff which I do believe they said they are going to be doing.

The DC issues have nothing to do with grinding though. The reason of this cleverly disguised OP was to point out that there is an extreme grind (but there isn’t)

Also, they are fixing the DC issue tomorrow

It is though. If you want the gear you need to do fractals. Even if that means doing it over and over again because of dcing issues. I’m glad they are addressing the issue although I wish it was before I got to the point that I didn’t want to do it anymore but w/e