Guild Wars 2

Now i play ranger..and today I’ ve encountered a warrior who hitted me 11k with eviscerate. He basicly nearly oneshotted me. Is this balance? I mean he dealt 11k dmg with a F skill…
How can a bust skill deal so much damage. When i look at Ranger F skills ( pet ones) i simply laugh. I wish a dev could answer to this post becouse i truly want to know if in the upcoming expansion there will be any sign of balance. Please let me know if something will be done for ranger class concerning f2 skills,pets,or ranger defensive skills in general.
I like only ranger( and this is my curse) but if things won t change I won’ t buy the expansion.
I don’ t ask too much I just want to play a balanced game.

A glass cannon with stacked might vs glass cannon with low health…. gg wp QQ

That’s what happens when one glass cannon hits another glass cannon. What happened was

1. The warrior had might stacked, probably 15+ stacks.
2. You had vuln stacks from axe #2 and possibly other sources
3. The warrior was specced for burst damage, most likely having the Burst Mastery trait and the Axe crit damage trait
4. The warrior had bloodlust stacks and applied strength stacks

And you were probably running all berserker gear with absolutely no defensive stats.

Darkness.9732:

How can a bust skill deal so much damage. When i look at Ranger F skills ( pet ones) i simply laugh.

Because Warriors arent pets.

Same kind goes for the Rangers’ Maul and longbow #2 skill.
They can hit that amount too with the correct build / boons etc.

It’s also worth mentioning that Warriors can’t just fire off a burst skill right away, they have to build up Adrenaline to use it. And out of combat, Adrenaline wears off pretty quickly.

Pet F2 skills are pretty much usable on demand when a fight starts. Or before, if you have one that does a buff. No need to charge it to use it.

Darkness.9732:

Now i play ranger..and today I’ ve encountered a warrior who hitted me 11k with eviscerate. He basicly nearly oneshotted me. Is this balance? I mean he dealt 11k dmg with a F skill…
How can a bust skill deal so much damage. When i look at Ranger F skills ( pet ones) i simply laugh. I wish a dev could answer to this post becouse i truly want to know if in the upcoming expansion there will be any sign of balance. Please let me know if something will be done for ranger class concerning f2 skills,pets,or ranger defensive skills in general.
I like only ranger( and this is my curse) but if things won t change I won’ t buy the expansion.
I don’ t ask too much I just want to play a balanced game.

OK judging by your build you had lots of ways to counter that Eviscerate.

1) Dodge, it’s very visible when Warriors use Eviscerate, the animations is very unique and easily recongizable (unless he was an Asura Warrior)

2) Use Signet of Stone, he would’ve wasted his powerful skill

3) Since you use GS, you could’ve easily blocked it with your skill 4, or daze him with skill 5 while he was doing the extra long animation.

Lots of ways to counter that high damaging skill and all that damage would’ve been wasted

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it. But I’ m talking about F skills. An F skill can’ t do so much damage. But if we want to accept that amount of damage at least they should boost other classes F skills damage.
I repeate plz compare Ranger F skills to Warrior F skills and suffer with me
I want gw2 to be balanced and fair. If one day it will…litterally I wouldn’ t quit it never and never. This post is made to attract devs attention.
They should do something for this issue for gw2 future

thats a low value still for eviscerate, and thats far the most OP thing warriors have.
i kinda accept that value for eviscerate.

p.s guys dont forget that armor is only good against auto atacks, this is a game that only matters to try to achieve the biggest damage to win, even if op was not playing a squishy build, armor would be a little useless against high damage skills.

Rangers lb 2 skill can do up to 11k damage on another glass cannon and it has an 8 second cd, just sayin.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it.

My main is a ranger, actually.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it. But I’ m talking about F skills. An F skill can’ t do so much damage. But if we want to accept that amount of damage at least they should boost other classes F skills damage.
I repeate plz compare Ranger F skills to Warrior F skills and suffer with me
I want gw2 to be balanced and fair. If one day it will…litterally I wouldn’ t quit it never and never. This post is made to attract devs attention.
They should do something for this issue for gw2 future

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

You got wreckt by one of the most dodgeable skills in the game and I am afraid it doesn’t get more L2P then that.

Even though people have given you great advice, and my input is just redundant…I couldn’t resist commenting, this gave me a great lol in the morning.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

Stronger? yes, but only in terms of damage output. Your pets have MUCH more versatile uses. Had you activated any canine when warrior was closing in on you he would’ve been knocked down, Also your pets are doing damage while you can kite the warrior to death (many people forget to focus pet) and even when the do focus pet you can just unload a Rapid fire or maul on them.

Essentially fighting a good ranger is fighting 1.5 people.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it. But I’ m talking about F skills. An F skill can’ t do so much damage. But if we want to accept that amount of damage at least they should boost other classes F skills damage.
I repeate plz compare Ranger F skills to Warrior F skills and suffer with me
I want gw2 to be balanced and fair. If one day it will…litterally I wouldn’ t quit it never and never. This post is made to attract devs attention.
They should do something for this issue for gw2 future

so, basically you say you do not care about the good advice given to you nor the drawbacks of said attack of warriors that have been explained to you. But I understand, complaining has always been more fun than listening and learning.

Is it fair that ranger can pew pew me on my glass cannon before I can do anything?

If you don’t want to get 1 hit, well sentinel gear and stop complaining. Because ranger is doing the same thing to me.

Yea 11k on a glass cannon that is pretty weak for something that is suppose to be a burst skill. You have a pet warriors have adrenaline too bad its been nerfed so much.

kitten how many warriors here. You deserve a super nerf and I truly hope You’ ll get it one day.

tom.7468:

Yea 11k on a glass cannon that is pretty weak for something that is suppose to be a burst skill. You have a pet warriors have adrenaline too bad its been nerfed so much.

Nah 11k is pretty decent given that glass cannons have a health pool of around 15k.

You pretend that 11k dmg bust F skill is fair XD . Guys i have no words you truly like easy kills with OP skillsXD

Darkness.9732:

kitten how many warriors here. You deserve a super nerf and I truly hope You’ ll get it one day.

I dont’ even wvw. I just go there to do dailys.

Quite honestly ranger behind thief is the most **** class in wvw.

At least the warrior killing me have skill. I can’t say the same about rangers.

Time to stop feeding the troll.

In case the OP is genuine, go ahead and roll a warrior. Come back in 2 months and tell us how’s it working for you.

Darkness.9732:

You pretend that 11k dmg bust F skill is fair XD . Guys i have no words you truly like easy kills with OP skillsXD

Go roll a warrior, wear full berserker, use an axe mainhand and go wvw.

Come back and tell us if you still feel the same way.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it. But I’ m talking about F skills. An F skill can’ t do so much damage. But if we want to accept that amount of damage at least they should boost other classes F skills damage.

If your “F” skills were buffed, ranger would be OP. You do have skills that hit for the same amount of damage as eviscerate (from a glass cannon warrior), provided you trait for maximum damage and make use of offensive boons. Burst skills aren’t the same keybind for every profession. The “F” skills you’re talking about are profession specific skills. Yours happens to be a pet’s attack, warriors have burst adrenaline skills. Thieves steal, engineers have utility dependent “toolbelt” skills. The strength of these skills is balanced against your entire skillset, as well as the entire skillset of other professions.

Well tbh, i made a glassrifle warrior just 2 days ago to see what it can do. 11k is certainly not the max, it is even low. Below 2 screenshots, one with an 18k hit on a thief (ofc instadown from full hp), the other one a 13 k hit on a guardian (near instadown, got killed a few seconds later). And i did not even have many might stacks.

However, it is not really fun to play, it is tedious to build up the adrenaline, and then you have to lurk around to find targets, always in danger of being killed yourself, and when you finally shoot, you will mostly get “evaded”, “missed” or “Invulnerable”.
So it is a troll build, but all in all not really effective, and more than once i wished to switch to my good old hammer and just go ham on those guys in an honest fight.

Your pew pew ranger deserved that 11k Eviscerate and I hope you get many more.

I dont’ wvw. I only do spvp.

I use an axe warrior for spvp for dailys because hambow is too hard to play. It is not easy to hit people with eviscerate. Most of the time I missed.

I think wvw have different build though so they can stun people and makes it easier for eviscerate to land.

Personally, I think it’s too extreme to have a combat design where a maximum damage attack versus a minimum defense opponent can do more than 1/2 health in one hit, especially since there are so many ways to set up big hits that players can’t actively counter. It’s a design problem. The extremes need better limits.

laokoko.7403:

I dont’ wvw. I only do spvp.

I use an axe warrior for spvp for dailys because hambow is too hard to play. It is not easy to hit people with eviscerate. Most of the time I missed.

I think wvw have different build though so they can stun people and makes it easier for eviscerate to land.

Exactly what happened to OP. As you can see he was hit by shield bash just before the evis. You can do that in sPvP too. You either avoid the shield bash or you better hope you’ve got your stunbreaker ready. In a ranger’s case, that would be LR, which the OP hadn’t even slotted (lol).

Pikka.6023:

Personally, I think it’s too extreme to have a combat design where a maximum damage attack versus a minimum defense opponent can do more than 1/2 health in one hit, especially since there are so many ways to set up big hits that players can’t actively counter. It’s a design problem. The extremes need better limits.

But how do you determine what “more than 1/2 health” is? If you get one shot by an 11k eviscerate, you aren’t using defensive stats. High risk, high reward. The risk being you’re able to be one shot, since you’re gearing for damage output alone. Someone using Soldier’s for instance may not lose half their health to that at all.

Eviscerate can be countered, btw. Dodging, blocking, interrupting, blind, stealth, etc.

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Tom Gore.4035:

Exactly what happened to OP. As you can see he was hit by shield bash just before the evis. You can do that in sPvP too. You either avoid the shield bash or you better hope you’ve got your stunbreaker ready. In a ranger’s case, that would be LR, which the OP hadn’t even slotted (lol).

Yeah, OP, you need a stunbreak. If you use LR after you’re stunned with shield bash (assuming you can’t dodge it), you’ll break stun, leap backwards, and avoid most (if not all) the burst damage coming your way.

too true , onther reason why i don’t use Signet of stone , 6secs uptime he could waste that warroirs f1 but it only lasts for 6secs and the warroir can still build adrinline up (even if the damage is reduced to 0) by the time SoS wears off he will have other f1 2secs after the end of SoS , leaving you with a 80sec cooldown , i’d rather have the Lighting reflexes anyday with a LB equipped .

i’;d only use SoS in a Gs Zerg CC build dedicated to guild fights or zergs.

Judging from your post history, you must be new here.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

Eviscerate does damage. It does a lot of damage, but that is all it really does. The rangers pet can do a variety of things depending on your choice of pet and therefore has more utility than a simple damage burst skill.

A warrior has only 2 burst skills available at a time, and most of them are damage focused and lack utility. Personally, I find utility far superior to all out damage and the ranger, via it’s two pets, has more utility than the warrior.

The rangers pet doesn’t just have the active F2 skill, they also use other skills automatically. Excluding the activated F2 skills, the pet can do one or more of the following automatically during a fight:

Afflict a foe with vulnerability
Afflict a foe with cripple/immobilize
Afflict a foe with fear
Knock down a foe
Afflict a foe with bleeding/poison
Give nearby allies swiftness/regeneration
Heal nearby allies

When you add the active skill as well, I feel the ranger has more options available to them.

Yes, eviscerate hits harder than any pet skill, but eviscerate doesn’t control your enemies or help your allies, beyond simply killing the foe faster, which a ranger can easily do with their normal weapon skills. As others have said, the longbow skill 2 can hit just as hard as eviscerate, and doesn’t need to be charged before hand.

The rangers pet is not about dealing more damage, though that is a bonus, the rangers pet is about utility. And in that regard I feel they do quite well when used right. I’d rather have the pets than the burst skills, any day.

Yeah… All f skills should be equal.
Thief steal should do as much damage as warrior burst, and necros should aoe daze, distortion themselves and apply confusion when they death shroud.

The ranger class mechanic is your pet (sadly.) Having your pet skills do damage equal to warrior burst would be rediculous. Rangers still get an advantage from their pets, such as fear when downed or the free blast finishers from drakes. And warrior axe burst skill is basically designed to be THE burstiest skill warrior has.

Celebratty.1632:

And warrior axe burst skill is basically designed to be THE burstiest skill warrior has.

Nope. That would be kill shot, but good luck hitting anything with that.

Could work against the OP though.

If you’re being hit by an 11k attack, add more toughness. I main a ranger and have never been hit for that much. Playing full zerker in WvW is reserved for roamers and small scale groups that know exactly when to dodge, when to block and when to just walk 3 steps backwards out of an attacks range.

Please BEAR in mind that a certain BOW build with the longbow can hit for similar if not slightly more damage at 1500 range.

Sorry OP, but this really is just a learn to play issue.

Tom Gore.4035:

Celebratty.1632:

And warrior axe burst skill is basically designed to be THE burstiest skill warrior has.

Nope. That would be kill shot, but good luck hitting anything with that.

Could work against the OP though.

After the cast reduction, i kinda want to spin my kill shot build again in eotm….

Agree with everyone else here, OP. Landing that eviscerate is not easy. In fact, landing it on a Ranger should be extremely difficult. Lightning Reflexes would have saved you. No joke, he had to build up that adrenaline, find someone roaming solo (a ranger no less), get into melee range, and have that ranger stand still long enough to land one skill that could have easily been countered, dodged, or LR’d.

So if you’re a ranger, try not to go melee with a warrior… it doesn’t really matter if it is an F skill or not.

I main a Guardian btw, none of my F skills do any kind of burst damage. I can heal, aegis, and light things on fire, and you don’t see me complaining. If I see eviscerate, I aegis or I dodge. That simple. Don’t want to watch for visual cues? Then WvW roaming might not be for you…

Wanze.8410:

Tom Gore.4035:

Celebratty.1632:

And warrior axe burst skill is basically designed to be THE burstiest skill warrior has.

Nope. That would be kill shot, but good luck hitting anything with that.

Could work against the OP though.

After the cast reduction, i kinda want to spin my kill shot build again in eotm….

The enemy would still need to be blind to not evade that.

Eotm you say? Never mind then. Have fun

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

A ranger pet uses 3 skills to constantly do damage, including inflicting conditions or doing CC (depending on the pet). In addition, it has a skill which you can activate, which will do more damage, or inflict a condition, or do CC (depending on the pet). In addition, the pet will tank damage for you. The pet can be swapped for another pet (with different skills) every 20-60 seconds in combat.

A warrior has one skill, for which he must build up adrenaline in combat each time before he’s able to use it. When casting it, the warrior is not able to be doing other things with, say, his weapon skills. However, the warrior’s single skill is individually more powerful.

So yes, it’s fairly balanced.

Ranger pet skills are weak because they can be used with little to no preparation and danger for the ranger.

Warrior melee range burst skills are strong because they need a ramp up time and require the warrior to sit right on top of the target.

Its not so hard to figure this out.

Darkness.9732:

kitten how many warriors here. You deserve a super nerf and I truly hope You’ ll get it one day.

I main a Ranger in PvP and you just don’t understand balance. Balance is not making all skill equal. Its the sum of all skill that much be equal.

Eviscerate take time to build up and is a one shot. Your pet can be swap, deal dmg and make some special attack that are FAR more practical than eviscerate. Your complain make no sense at all, you just don’t get one shot and complain about it. Try to understand what happen and learn how to recognize an Axe glass canon warrior because you know that eviscerate will come. L2P, stop cyring.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

I think you’re missing the point of F skills.

Engis can use F skills to deal mass amounts of damage.

Eles can use F skills to apply boons, otherwise they mainly just switch attunments.

Mesmers utilizing shatter builds do most of their damage through F skills.

Some necros are built on doing damage while in death shroud (an F skill.)

Guardians apply support with their F skills.

Basically there’s no universal F skill rule. They are there to make every class unique.

I play ranger in sPvP and my pet gets me accused of hacking all the time, and I didn’t even have to press anything. It’s pretty random and rare, but I’ve seen my wolves do 11k pounces. That’s technically our “F skill” as all of our F functions are dedicated to pet management. The fact that the attacks are AI based is a burden we bear, it doesn’t mean that the warrior F skill should get a nerf.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

What the kitten are you thinking? Do you even know what does “balance” mean? Yeah, let’s just take a single skill completely out of context of the whole class using it and compare it between classes, right? Nonsense. Yes, warrior skills have much better burst potential than rangers’ pets. But as it was mentioned above, there are many drawbacks to this, it is not nearly as simple as you make it sound.

Here, I can use stupid argumentation too: Ranger’s 2nd longbow skill is doing much more damage than warrior’s, it is so OP and imbalanced, nerf plz omg… GG

when im playing with my war

my eviscrate 90% of the times gets dodged or blocked or the enemy freaken teleports the moment i use the ability…………………. or he sprints and im out of range by 1 freaken meter and wasted it………….

Darkness.9732:

kitten how many warriors here. You deserve a super nerf and I truly hope You’ ll get it one day.

You should really start understanding the class you;re fighting,first..before making such statements.Honestly if this is the first time you’ve seen an evis hit like that,my bet is you havn’t seen much at all yet.Besides you’re getting alot of advice here about warrior yet you dismiss it and keep on going on how ""Op"" that skill is..while it’s really not.It’s a heavily telegraphed skill that needs adren filling and proper timing to be used.Its a l2p issue,which is fine…But atleast admit so.Besides i was more impressed about the 3k shield bash ;p.. Which they usually use first as an opener to land evis…It’s a short 1 sec stun,just enough to land it usually.

Are you trolling? The whole thread explains how you can counter it and you just say “op nerf plz”.

You want to compare ranger skills with warriors? Fine. Let’s not forget that your whole pet (including all 4 skills x2 from swapping pets) equals the warrior’s eviscerate. Warrior’s have 1 burst skill that does a lot of damage and is kind of easy to evade. Once evaded warriors have nothing for the next 20 secs or so. Meanwhile your pet continues to attack with unavoidable attacks, continues to stun, snare, buff, apply conditions while you fight the warrior.

Now that I think of it, Arena net please nerf rangers omg so powerful nerf or no buying gems.

An F skill shouldn’ t deal so much damage. 11k… Are we joking?
I understand you warriors love playing an op class becouse it’ s the only thing you can actually do in this game. But your OP class is ruining other people gw2 exeperience.
I really hope a dev will read this post..becouse eviscerate and i say eviscerate must be nerfed as soon as possible.
It’ s OP and everyone knows and you warriors too.

So many warrior fanbois. It’s sad you can’t have a healthy discussion on this forum with tribalism tearing the forum apart and people defending their precious class to death.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening here: warrior is OP, warriors know it, and they they deny it so they wouldn’t lose their advantage.

Elementalists F skills do 0 damage, come on ANET, get your game together! And thief ones sometimes do 0 damage too! Guardians? Need I go on!