Guild Wars 2

Acording to pro gamers warriors are already considered the third trashiest dps class.
And honestly not only is that burst really telegraphed you can do the same burst on any other class. Next time you could get hit for 30k firegrab if you dont learn to dodge.

Mental Paradox.3845:

So many warrior fanbois. It’s sad you can’t have a healthy discussion on this forum with tribalism tearing the forum apart and people defending their precious class to death.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening here: warrior is OP, warriors know it, and they they deny it so they wouldn’t lose their advantage.

l2p issues of rangers shouldnt be balanced by nerfing warrior.

sarcasm on / Every profession should do the same exact dmg for all of their skills. #balance.

That would make such a more interesting game. / sarcasm off

Wanze.8410:

Mental Paradox.3845:

So many warrior fanbois. It’s sad you can’t have a healthy discussion on this forum with tribalism tearing the forum apart and people defending their precious class to death.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening here: warrior is OP, warriors know it, and they they deny it so they wouldn’t lose their advantage.

l2p issues of rangers shouldnt be balanced by nerfing warrior.

L2P issues are taken in to buff classes, that’s how i see it as a player and observer, ranger always did a ton of damage with longbow, but was necessary to understand the minimal of it, Anet just gave a easy(faster) way for players feel rewarded, this is the balance ANet does in my opinion, if they could bring the GW1 bow mechanics 90% + would cry hard becouse they dont want to care how to make damage is not fun when theres mechanics envolved in it.

this is how i see gw2 players…. if no press button to win is no fun.
And sorry about the litle blunt rage not intended to offend any ranger.

Darkness.9732:

An F skill shouldn’ t deal so much damage. 11k… Are we joking?
I understand you warriors love playing an op class becouse it’ s the only thing you can actually do in this game. But your OP class is ruining other people gw2 exeperience.
I really hope a dev will read this post..becouse eviscerate and i say eviscerate must be nerfed as soon as possible.
It’ s OP and everyone knows and you warriors too.

My ranger was created on the 3 day headstart and has 500 hours. My warrior just hit 80 a week ago and has maybe 40 hours. Warrior is fine, hitting evis is way harder than pewing from 1500 range and doing 3k per auto. This sounds like a l2dodge issue.

Oh so we only compare one skills now?.. how about this, rangers lb 2 is a mobile hundred blade that is also ranged, compared to warriors greatsword 2 which is stationary, melee and does same damage?..

Clearly warrior needs buff bro.

Darkness.9732:

An F skill shouldn’ t deal so much damage. 11k… Are we joking?
I understand you warriors love playing an op class becouse it’ s the only thing you can actually do in this game. But your OP class is ruining other people gw2 exeperience.
I really hope a dev will read this post..becouse eviscerate and i say eviscerate must be nerfed as soon as possible.
It’ s OP and everyone knows and you warriors too.

You do realise that the game is 2 years old and the people responding to this thread have a ranger and a warrior, right? I doubt you have a warrior so why do you speak of balance?

Darkness.9732:

An F skill shouldn’ t deal so much damage. 11k… Are we joking?
I understand you warriors love playing an op class becouse it’ s the only thing you can actually do in this game. But your OP class is ruining other people gw2 exeperience.
I really hope a dev will read this post..becouse eviscerate and i say eviscerate must be nerfed as soon as possible.
It’ s OP and everyone knows and you warriors too.

In case this hasn’t been drilled into your head already: the F skills are called PROFESSION MECHANICS. Each profession’s F skills serve a different purpose and are UNIQUE to the profession. The warrior’s F skills are called burst skills and become more powerful over time as the warrior builds up adrenaline. The ranger’s F skills are completely different and serve a completely different purpose: to control their pet.

Instead of complaining, learn from the experience and improve yourself so it doesn’t happen again. Get some toughness on your armor, learn the animation of Eviscerate (a pretty obvious leap, or watch for intelligence stacks) as well as the common set-ups for Eviscerate (Shield Bash, any CC, or even immobilize from Leg Specialist trait), and get rid of that Signet of the Hunt and replace it with Lightning Reflexes. And unless you’re a melee ranger, don’t let the warrior (an Eviscerate warrior usually runs full melee with greatsword) get close to you.

By the way, I was running in WvW with my longbow ranger yesterday and burst down a warrior from ranged with a QZ’ed Rapid Fire and a couple autoattacks. Ranger damage should be nerfed. Or maybe the warrior should have equipped more toughness, or used LoS against me. Who knows?

Seems I’ve gathered all gw2 warrior community here…… Instead of telling me^^ learn to play^^ YOU should tell yourselves :

LEARN NOT TO PLAY AN OVERPOWERED CLASS

Anet should nerf istantly eviscerate for gw2 playerbase sake.
I repeat I just want to play a balanced game.
I don’ want any kind of advantage or disavantage. Eviscerate is OP admit it warriors

Mental Paradox.3845:

So many warrior fanbois. It’s sad you can’t have a healthy discussion on this forum with tribalism tearing the forum apart and people defending their precious class to death.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening here: warrior is OP, warriors know it, and they they deny it so they wouldn’t lose their advantage.

In no way am I a warrior fanboi and I can tell you Eviscerate is fine as is. My favorites to play in order are Guardian, Ranger, Elementalist, Necro, Warrior. I’ve maybe been killed by Evis once in WvW in I dunno how many attempts it’s been tried on me. In a variety of classes. I can assure you if Ranger had a melee F skill that did 11k that worked like Warriors, I would avoid that just as easily. Or I would just throw up retaliation and let you land it, then full-heal and finish you off. Either way, that skill only works on people not paying attention. Class makes no difference.

Like seriously, Ranger LB #2 skill is just as powerful if not more so, shorter cooldown, and is max range… Yet you complain about one F skill on Warrior, which as you know, is different depending on what weapon they are wielding.

Unbelievable.

Darkness.9732:

Seems I’ve gathered all gw2 warrior community here…… Instead of telling me^^ learn to play^^ YOU should tell yourselves :

LEARN NOT TO PLAY AN OVERPOWERED CLASS

Anet should nerf istantly eviscerate for gw2 playerbase sake.
I repeat I just want to play a balanced game.
I don’ want any kind of advantage or disavantage. Eviscerate is OP admit it warriors

learn to play ^^

Breaking down the different “F” skills as you’ve decided to call them, they perform completely different functions on each class.

A Warrior is a damage class, so it makes sense that a Warrior is going to do a lot of damage with their “F” skill.

A Ranger uses pets, it has access to about 30 pets, so it makes sense that their “F” skill utilizes their pet abilities. Which by the way give you access to:
-Fear
-Immobilize
-Condition removal
-http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_pet_skills

Pretty much access to anything you could want in the way of utility and just think, if you kept that Warrior away from you, using the immobilize and knock back skills available to you, you’d have rekt that Warrior.

Get this guy reasonong: Eviscerate is OP because is bound to f1 key; anybody who disagrees is a warrior fanboy. Flawless.

Draknar.5748:

Mental Paradox.3845:

So many warrior fanbois. It’s sad you can’t have a healthy discussion on this forum with tribalism tearing the forum apart and people defending their precious class to death.

It’s pretty clear what’s happening here: warrior is OP, warriors know it, and they they deny it so they wouldn’t lose their advantage.

In no way am I a warrior fanboi and I can tell you Eviscerate is fine as is. My favorites to play in order are Guardian, Ranger, Elementalist, Necro, Warrior. I’ve maybe been killed by Evis once in WvW in I dunno how many attempts it’s been tried on me. In a variety of classes. I can assure you if Ranger had a melee F skill that did 11k that worked like Warriors, I would avoid that just as easily. Or I would just throw up retaliation and let you land it, then full-heal and finish you off. Either way, that skill only works on people not paying attention. Class makes no difference.

Like seriously, Ranger LB #2 skill is just as powerful if not more so, shorter cooldown, and is max range… Yet you complain about one F skill on Warrior, which as you know, is different depending on what weapon they are wielding.

Unbelievable.

Retaliation does not work like that ^^

Lucky Shot.7650:

Get this guy reasonong: Eviscerate is OP because is bound to f1 key; anybody who disagrees is a warrior fanboy. Flawless.

Just as bad as the Warrior is being attack, quick take shots at Rapid Fire while trying for hundred blades buffs.

11,000? Heck I’ve been hit by a 18k eviscerate before. 11,000 sounds pleasant by comparison.

I neither have a warrior or a ranger and I know that OP kittened up. Even eles can avoid that with mistform + earth 5 on focus and lightning flash. It is indeed a L2P issue.

Darkness.9732:

yes guys I know you play warrior and you defend your class i can understand it. But I’ m talking about F skills. An F skill can’ t do so much damage. But if we want to accept that amount of damage at least they should boost other classes F skills damage.
I repeate plz compare Ranger F skills to Warrior F skills and suffer with me
I want gw2 to be balanced and fair. If one day it will…litterally I wouldn’ t quit it never and never. This post is made to attract devs attention.
They should do something for this issue for gw2 future

why dont you compare the elementalist F skills? they do absolutely nothing at all except change your weapon skills.

Seriously whats the big deal about the F skills? Its a part of the professions mechanic.

Warriors have burst skills WHICH SHOULD DO BURST DAMAGE
Rangers have pets and use F skills to command and switch them with a whole bunch of them.
Elementalists use F skills that do nothing at all on their own…
Mezmers F skills destroy their illusions
ect.

F skills are a special mechanic available only to that class. and it should compliment the class.

Do you see others complaining how they need to solo while a ranger can have a pet and 5 spirits following him? a 7v1?! thats even more than a mezmer cna handle ….

As for balance between classes. If you want to deal 11k dmg with a BURST skill then you will have to get rid of your health and toughness, as well as spend time on preparing for that 1 hit by stacking vulnerability and might and 3 bars of addrenaline and hope your opponent doesnt have a dodge or a block or anything to negate that 1 shot.

Next time ill play a full bunker guardian, will you post another topic on the forum about how unbalanced your class is cause you cant kill a guardian with your full zerker offensive ranger?

As someone who doesn’t like the warrior class, I don’t understand what you’re complaining about. Pet skills on ranger are massively versatile and geared towards utility. There’s so many ways to counteract warrior long animation skills, from stuns/knockbacks/dazes/blocks to wolf fears, and even simply using a stone signet or dodging backwards

Darkness.9732:

Seems I’ve gathered all gw2 warrior community here…… Instead of telling me^^ learn to play^^ YOU should tell yourselves :

LEARN NOT TO PLAY AN OVERPOWERED CLASS

Anet should nerf istantly eviscerate for gw2 playerbase sake.
I repeat I just want to play a balanced game.
I don’ want any kind of advantage or disavantage. Eviscerate is OP admit it warriors

LOL this guy! Had a good laugh going to give him that. Warrior is easy to pick up but hard to master. L2P

PS: Anet should give 100b a reflect that would make pew pews rage quit (Feels like a Jedi)

This thread is beautiful. I especially like the part where anybody who disagrees must be a Warrior fanboi. #1 best trolling A+.

Darkness.9732:

An F skill shouldn’ t deal so much damage. 11k… Are we joking?
I understand you warriors love playing an op class becouse it’ s the only thing you can actually do in this game. But your OP class is ruining other people gw2 exeperience.
I really hope a dev will read this post..becouse eviscerate and i say eviscerate must be nerfed as soon as possible.
It’ s OP and everyone knows and you warriors too.

Hey moron, yeah you. Your longbow hits for 9k with rapid fire, it has a cooldown of 8 seconds, it has stealth so you can rapid fire and half the damage is done before opponent has a chance to react, You can do that damage from 1500 (well lets face it 1700-1800 range). Lets not forget the 2-3k auto attacks…IF with this much firepower you were unable to at least pressure the OBVIOUS ZERK warrior from long range into backing off or kill him outright its your fault.

Oh wait, no one is this stupid. This is obviously a troll thread. Good job sir, you’ve trolled me.

Solzero.5380:

PS: Anet should give 100b a reflect that would make pew pews rage quit (Feels like a Jedi)

Oh my god this, so much of this. It would totally be worth making a legendary GS warrior just for the jedi effect.

If you want a complete “balanced” game play GW 1. Most skills did almost nothing in damage and we only have at max 540 HP min 55 HP! Numbers were super small and anyone could beat anyone even with the kitteniest build.

This thread needs to be locked or at least moved to the profession subforum if the OP changes his/her tune. OP isn’t interested in a discussion and is instead repeating the same complaint over and over. 11k damage on eviscerate is supposed to be high damage? Everyone that replies in a way you don’t like is a warrior? You sound pretty insane right now. If only you could spend as much time learning to play your class and learn simple counters like dodging the unique eviscerate animation as you do attacking other posters here on the forum who are just trying to help you.

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8.

OP, you’re lucky i didn’t find you on my ranger during the glorious days of the Signet of the Hunt Bear Charge…

You cannot directly compare Class specific skills, like virtues, atunements, burst or the pet ones for Ranger. The design differs per class. For ranger, you can get some decent CC if you use the right pets. Warrior Burst skills on the othe hand, deal damage. Different mechanics.

If you directly want to compare Evicerate to anything on a ranger, you’re looking at Maul or Rapid Fire. Rapid Fire outperforms Eviscerate in a number of ways; longer range, higher availability, and doesn’t need to build a resource first.

Evicerate has a decent telegraph. If you’re within range of Eviscerate as a LB range, you’re already doing something wrong.

to put it simply…

Use river drake, stack might on it, press F2. Each time lightning breath hit, it will do something like 2k damage (assuming you build for this). Lightning breath can hit more than 5 time.
Enjoy, ranger F skill is equal to warrior F skill.

ah ah ah Dadnir comparing river drake to eviscerate..kitten man you made my day XD YOU truly are a warrior fanboy ^^

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

The main problem, and others have touched on it, is that you are comparing apples to oranges. A rangers F skill is an entirely different mechanic to a Warriors F skill. And being different mechanics, you cannot say that a warriors F skill is 10,000 times stronger. As a ranger you have 2 pets, both of which have their own unique F skill. The more popular ones, being wolf, and spider. So with those 2 alone, you have a free fear and a free imobilize. Basicilly rendering your target wide open to a huge burst with Rapid Fire from your longbow, at such a range that you cannot even be touched. So which is more powerfull? Having a huge wind up, and animation that can easily be dodged for a single burst with at least a 10 sec cool down? (Not including having to rebuild Adrenaline) OR having an equivilant burst with an 8 sec cool down, and at least 2 options to cause your target to eat that burst?

Pikka.6023:

Personally, I think it’s too extreme to have a combat design where a maximum damage attack versus a minimum defense opponent can do more than 1/2 health in one hit, especially since there are so many ways to set up big hits that players can’t actively counter. It’s a design problem. The extremes need better limits.

Well if you add 25 might and 25 vuln you are going to take 50% more damage (roughly before STR nerf).

I don’t mean to defend the OP, but it doesn’t look like the Warrior had much in the way of Might stacked. If you look at the Retaliation damage he takes, you can see the enemy Power… 2634 by my calculation. (But I could have done that incorrectly.) That’s a very achievable number without might stacks if you’re running the right food, sharpening stones, maybe with some guard stacks.

So while the OP is still a troll, enemy Warrior could have just been running Soldiers gear with an Intelligence sigil and got lucky.

Oh dear. Someone almost got killed in WvW.

On that note, as a ranger myself, I’d pop either spring or troll, and then tear that glass cannon warrior apart. He just used his one gimmick.

Now he dies.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Oh dear. Someone almost got killed in WvW.

On that note, as a ranger myself, I’d pop either spring or troll, and then tear that glass cannon warrior apart. He just used his one gimmick.

Now he dies.

Or switches to greatsword and set a new land speed record in retreating.

Mimimi…

First of all, WvW is NOT balanced. Everyone has inflated stats (power, ferocity) due to the PVE gear, thus leading to massive crits. Get over it. You were a glass cannon, he was a glass cannon. In pvp an eviscerate will never hit this hard because of the standardized stats.

Secondly, as a ranger you have so many ways to kite eviscerate warriors. You have tons of soft and hard CC, evades, blocks, etc.. A ranger really should not be losing to warriors anymore.

Sorry mate, you are just bu – tt – hurt and lack the ability to adapt.

Bran.7425:

Or switches to greatsword and set a new land speed record in retreating.

(laugh) Seen that happen many times.

Why don’t you just go into key bindigns and bind “Weapon Skill 2” to f1 and “Profession skill 1” to #2, then run Longbow? There, now your f1 skill deals more damage than warrior’s, congratulations you’re now overpowered!

(EDIT: and need a nerf)

OP I’m going to be more honest than everyone else here. You’re just a terrible Ranger that doesn’t understand it’s own mechanics. LB damage kittenes on anything the axe can do in wvw or pvp Damage wise. All F skulls should be equal, if anything the Rangers need a buff. Ranger is my third fav class, Warrior probably 6th and I can tell you all about both. A warrior using eviscerate sucks for them because they low all their adrenaline and with most builds become at a disadvantage. Meanwhile Mr ranger has his F skills to fear, and then his f skill to knock down while unleashing a 16k barrage. I’ll take the ranger f skills over the garbage warrior ones any day

16k barrage? AHAHAHAAH kitten you re definetly a warrior who pretends to pass for a ranger.
SADNESS

Why ppl even bother to reply in this thread? Just let it die. It doesnt matter what you will write here, he will continue saying his own bs calling everyone warrior fanbois.

why you cry so much if you can do the same for just pressing 2 , and from a big range

Warriors need to be full traited to do that amount of damage leaving other weapons with 0 extra dmg

Darkness.9732:

Seems I’ve gathered all gw2 warrior community here…… Instead of telling me^^ learn to play^^ YOU should tell yourselves :

LEARN NOT TO PLAY AN OVERPOWERED CLASS

Anet should nerf istantly eviscerate for gw2 playerbase sake.
I repeat I just want to play a balanced game.
I don’ want any kind of advantage or disavantage. Eviscerate is OP admit it warriors

You could stop being lame and start being awesome by learning how to play.

L2play.

I actually start to hope that Anet will nerf Eviscerate, then OP gets killed by 1500 range, 18k damage kill shot warrior.

Or how about Anet just switches eviscerate with the #5 axe skill, so OP cant complain that warrior burst skills are OP.

Darkness.9732:

How can a burst skill deal so much damage.

Darkness.9732:

burst skill

Darkness.9732:

burst

I think I found your problem.

Someone please post video of longbow 2 damage I’m too lazy

Azure.8670:

Someone please post video of longbow 2 damage I’m too lazy

i like some of Korochi videos e kites and has good dodges.

i dont know if im infracting something by post this video from youtube!

Darkness.9732:

yes guys but please stay on the topic We are talking about F skills. Don’ t you think warrior F skills are 10000 times stronger than ranger F skills?^ XD
Please don’ t lie and don t make me mad ah ah

LOL, good laugh. Reminds me of a thread a while back some of us had fun with regarding bear bow being overpowered. Fun trolling is fun, but really.

Its called a burst skill on warriors for a reason, and NOT burst skills on other classes for a similar reason.

For everyone else, stop feeding the troll. Or play along.

You mean 17k rapid fire to the standard amored enemy from 2200 range ?
Check this picture mate. And then call who is OP.

If you can’t burst don’t call that your class is underpowered.
Please don’t post more of your theories…

The fact you are attacking me personally.. saying learn to play bla bla learn to dodge means that truly I did hit the point.
11k eviscerate is too much and you know that…but you LOVE that warrior is OP.
So instead of admitting that…. you keep trolling me. I really really hope that some developpers is reading this topic..It’ s too important that they do realise how warrior class needs to be tuned down. And maybe one day..( after eviscerate nerf) this game will be a a little more balanced..and maybe we’ll see in wvw other classes than warriors.

on an enemy?^ that’ s a veteran man XD Don’ t force me to add screens of my warrior with axe+ shield/ greatsword in pve XD The damage it deals is twice bigger than that rapid fire and you know warrior fanboy^^

This is pretty hilarious coming from a ranger. You are glassy, he is glassy. You’re auto attack have a 1500 range and probably hit him for 1.5-2k plus an 8k rapid fire. Eviscerate is also one of the most telegraphed abilities in game so its pretty easy to dodge. Especially because doing so will make him waste all his adrenaline.