30g for Eagle/Scholar Runes + a Sigil?

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Posted by: Nonlinear.9823

Nonlinear.9823

24g for 6x runes on the TP…

Is this supposed to be some kind of sick joke?

Not funny.

The supply obviously isn’t there to meet the demand for these runes and sigils. They should be made easier to obtain it’s stupid to expect people to pay 5g-6g for a single rune.

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Posted by: Thunderbrew.7034

Thunderbrew.7034

Couldnt agree more, and if you look around more you will see more
examples of this. Therein lies the problem: Escalating prices while seeing
less ways to make money (in fact Ive been broke since day 1, but was rich
in WOW and Rift after the same time period). Bad design IMO.

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Posted by: Clark Skinner.4902

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I bet a lot of people who use those don’t even realize they aren’t the best runes for their class.

There are so many good choices out there. These are just an option that many go for because it’s simple. Big damage sometimes doesn’t win the day.

Also, becauce Scholar is craftable, the supply is controlled by players somewhat and price is correlated to the price of lodestones.

I would love it if they made lodestones a little more equal. The good items are lumped on a the same lodestones, and you get Pile of Putrid Essence, which just makes cheap junk.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Runes arent a must have, maybe use a cheaper alternative if you cannot afford it.

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Posted by: Aelaren.3784

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Non-craftable sigils come from salvaged rares and exotics that drop off of mobs. Since the nerf to loot tables open-world encounters pretty much never drop exo/rares. FoTM provide ample exo/rare drops, but they often (or always, i`m not sure here) come without a sigil attached to them.

Craftable runes and sigils prices going up because of the same problem – not enough higher-tier mats required for crafting them.

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Posted by: rchu.8945

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I bet a lot of people who use those don’t even realize they aren’t the best runes for their class.

There are so many good choices out there. These are just an option that many go for because it’s simple. Big damage sometimes doesn’t win the day.

Also, becauce Scholar is craftable, the supply is controlled by players somewhat and price is correlated to the price of lodestones.

I would love it if they made lodestones a little more equal. The good items are lumped on a the same lodestones, and you get Pile of Putrid Essence, which just makes cheap junk.

like you mentioned, Runes of Scholar is craftable by players and I am fine with the price, it’s all about supply and demand. If the sellers took the time to gather materials to make them, why shouldn’t they make a profit?

I dont understand all these complains about price that’s driven by players’ demands, if you are too lazy to do it yourself, you should pay the market value for the items you need.

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Posted by: Nebilim.5127

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Only way of finding those runes are:

1-Certain exotic drops(As you know, exotic drop rate are abysmal on its own)
2-Mystic toilet(Again with so many other runes/armor, rate is abysmal)
3-Map completion. Only solid way of getting, but with the syndrome of empty maps and people leaving this game, things are not looking pretty.

So yeah….the prices are kinda reasonable.

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Posted by: Ari Kagura.9182

Ari Kagura.9182

Another nice alternative are the Golemancer runes, which I run for a few of my Engineer builds. It’s similar to Eagle (but favoring Critical Damage instead of Precision), but you get a Golem instead of a damage boost. The Golem is a nice tank and usually has twice the HP that I normally have. However, you either have to be extremely lucky with dumping runes in the Mystic Forge, or run CoE until you basically developed a platonic relationship with Subject Alpha.

As far as the other two runes are concerned, the Scholar runes are craftable as mentioned by Clark Skinner. However, it’s dependent on the market for Charged Lodestones.

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Posted by: Chris.6105

Chris.6105

Although i hate the fact, that there are upgrades i cant get because anyone wants them, too, there are cheaper upgrades that are used too less and should be also effective.

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Posted by: Nonlinear.9823

Nonlinear.9823

In terms of direct damage nothing is a bigger boost to expected damage than 6x Eagle runes (assuming your crit damage is good). 5x scholar + divinity rune is also good.

Nothing compares except divinity, especially not summon garbage gimmick bonuses.

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Posted by: Clark Skinner.4902

Clark Skinner.4902

like you mentioned, Runes of Scholar is craftable by players and I am fine with the price, it’s all about supply and demand. If the sellers took the time to gather materials to make them, why shouldn’t they make a profit?

No no no, that’s not what I was saying. There is very little profit to be made if any for making the runes yourself. The materials aren’t gatherable, they’re extremely scarce, which is why the price is so high. I’ve never gotten a charged lodestone and I play daily. Let alone 6. I’m not sure if I’ve ever gotten a T6 rare mat aside from putrid essence.

OP you should go to the Mists and test these runes out for free on the training dummies. You’ll be surprised at which ones kill faster and which ones make no difference. For example, you might get 1% more damage with a 24g set vs a 5g set. But in most cases your last attack on the enemy goes way more damage than their remaining health. This means you still kill them in 30 seconds with 20 attacks, the 1% was just wasted.

There are other runes that are more specialist runes that are really good too, like Rune of Grenth, which is cheap as heck, but with a player who uses a lot of chill, it’s like giving your whole team quickness frequently. Foods & sigils can bolster specialist rune sets and give you a valuable role in group play, as well as make solo play more interesting.

Another alternative is to use a set of offense/defense mix runes and put all offense on your armor and weapon stats. Every class can do with some Vitality and/or Toughness, so instead of putting that on your armor pieces, put it on the runes, and use Berserker’s armor, weapons and Ruby Jewellery.

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Posted by: Zid.4196

Zid.4196

As a rune forger I can only say that the price is realistic. On a given day it might be a few % off above or below, but the crux of the issue is demand is so high. It’s the rule of small peak advantages command huge price gaps.

IMO people forget that a basic gem set is almost 300 points of the attributes you want most anyway.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

3-Map completion. Only solid way of getting, but with the syndrome of empty maps and people leaving this game, things are not looking pretty.

You do not need anyone to do map completion. The only potential exception is that you would need help getting the Temple of Grenth uncontested or at least have help clearing out the risen around the skill point.

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Posted by: Quarktastic.1027

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like you mentioned, Runes of Scholar is craftable by players and I am fine with the price, it’s all about supply and demand. If the sellers took the time to gather materials to make them, why shouldn’t they make a profit?

No no no, that’s not what I was saying. There is very little profit to be made if any for making the runes yourself. The materials aren’t gatherable, they’re extremely scarce, which is why the price is so high. I’ve never gotten a charged lodestone and I play daily. Let alone 6. I’m not sure if I’ve ever gotten a T6 rare mat aside from putrid essence.

OP you should go to the Mists and test these runes out for free on the training dummies. You’ll be surprised at which ones kill faster and which ones make no difference. For example, you might get 1% more damage with a 24g set vs a 5g set. But in most cases your last attack on the enemy goes way more damage than their remaining health. This means you still kill them in 30 seconds with 20 attacks, the 1% was just wasted.

There are other runes that are more specialist runes that are really good too, like Rune of Grenth, which is cheap as heck, but with a player who uses a lot of chill, it’s like giving your whole team quickness frequently. Foods & sigils can bolster specialist rune sets and give you a valuable role in group play, as well as make solo play more interesting.

Another alternative is to use a set of offense/defense mix runes and put all offense on your armor and weapon stats. Every class can do with some Vitality and/or Toughness, so instead of putting that on your armor pieces, put it on the runes, and use Berserker’s armor, weapons and Ruby Jewellery.

Valid points, but you don’t understand the OP’s way of thinking. In his mind, anything that doesn’t directly contribute to dealing “MOAR DAMAGE” is a useless gimmick that should never be considered under any circumstances.

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Posted by: Ditton.3149

Ditton.3149

just use 6 ruby orbs..you get the power precision and 12% crit damage if that is all you want for your lame glass cannon build

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Posted by: Nonlinear.9823

Nonlinear.9823

like you mentioned, Runes of Scholar is craftable by players and I am fine with the price, it’s all about supply and demand. If the sellers took the time to gather materials to make them, why shouldn’t they make a profit?

No no no, that’s not what I was saying. There is very little profit to be made if any for making the runes yourself. The materials aren’t gatherable, they’re extremely scarce, which is why the price is so high. I’ve never gotten a charged lodestone and I play daily. Let alone 6. I’m not sure if I’ve ever gotten a T6 rare mat aside from putrid essence.

OP you should go to the Mists and test these runes out for free on the training dummies. You’ll be surprised at which ones kill faster and which ones make no difference. For example, you might get 1% more damage with a 24g set vs a 5g set. But in most cases your last attack on the enemy goes way more damage than their remaining health. This means you still kill them in 30 seconds with 20 attacks, the 1% was just wasted.

There are other runes that are more specialist runes that are really good too, like Rune of Grenth, which is cheap as heck, but with a player who uses a lot of chill, it’s like giving your whole team quickness frequently. Foods & sigils can bolster specialist rune sets and give you a valuable role in group play, as well as make solo play more interesting.

Another alternative is to use a set of offense/defense mix runes and put all offense on your armor and weapon stats. Every class can do with some Vitality and/or Toughness, so instead of putting that on your armor pieces, put it on the runes, and use Berserker’s armor, weapons and Ruby Jewellery.

Valid points, but you don’t understand the OP’s way of thinking. In his mind, anything that doesn’t directly contribute to dealing “MOAR DAMAGE” is a useless gimmick that should never be considered under any circumstances.

Yup.

Me. I play to win. I enjoy killing stuff faster and maximizing my DPS and ignore gimmicks that don’t contribute to that end. It’s how I have fun.

You. You enjoy silly pet bird and golem that provide nothing. It’s how you have fun.

I’d personally rather run a dungeon with me than you and get done faster and more efficiently but w/e enjoy your pet bird that you gave up like 10% of your DPS to obtain.

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Posted by: Clark Skinner.4902

Clark Skinner.4902

Now now there’s no need to insult each other.

DPS builds are a perfectly considerable choice just like many of the others (not ALL of the others, there definitely are junk sets). It’s just a build that is very popular and so you have to pay more to get it.

For my glass cannon gear, I get hurt so much faster that I need to stop doing damage to heal, use blinds, defensive skills before I can resume doing damage (or I’ll die fo sho). So I factor those delays in to how fast I can get something killed.

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Posted by: Nonlinear.9823

Nonlinear.9823

Now now there’s no need to insult each other.

DPS builds are a perfectly considerable choice just like many of the others (not ALL of the others, there definitely are junk sets). It’s just a build that is very popular and so you have to pay more to get it.

For my glass cannon gear, I get hurt so much faster that I need to stop doing damage to heal, use blinds, defensive skills before I can resume doing damage (or I’ll die fo sho). So I factor those delays in to how fast I can get something killed.

Who is insulting? I am an old min/max player so min/max is fun for me, changing one jewel in my rings to get the exact balance I want is fun for me.

Some people have fun doing things like gimmicky shout healing on warriors and summoning parrots and golems through runes at the expense of 10% or more of their DPS. As long as they are having fun taking longer to kill stuff and the group doesn’t notice or care then who cares?

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Posted by: Clark Skinner.4902

Clark Skinner.4902

Alright I’m not taking part anymore.

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Posted by: Ari Kagura.9182

Ari Kagura.9182

Well … all I can say is:

If you want top-end stuff that can produce big freakin’ numbers, prepare to pay up! I know I did for my runes on one of my other 80’s. Sure it was expensive, but it was worth it! My damage was insane and content was cleared on a timely manner (assuming nobody died of course).

For instance, I know T6 Blood is like 24 silver a piece, and you need around 60~90 bloods (or 14~22 gold) for a complete set of Berserker’s if you intend to craft them instead of doing dungeons. Doing big damage is popular everywhere, so there’s always a demand for it. It’s like that in just about every MMO I have played. I remember farming my butt off in WoW for the money to buy the epic crystals I needed for stuff like Mongoose back in the day when those crystals were still expensive a piece, but in the end, it was worth it! I also played on a moderately low-to-medium pop server so there were times when the supply wasn’t always there. Fortunately in GW2, the trading post is cross-server so there’s always a supply of something … even if it’s a short supply.

The prices may be a “sick joke” for those who have little money to spare, but if there’s people out there that can bust their butts for T3 Culture, Commander Books, multiple Legendaries, and so on that costs a lot of money and/or time, then that 24g for a set Eagle runes is just a simple fraction of their expenses. In other words, either work for it or settle with other alternatives … or just quit playing if it bothers you too much.

Besides, doing sick DPS is nice but from my experience with PUGs, they don’t do great DPS if their back is on the ground. Not saying that you’re a bad player, but I’m just going by personal experience when it came to my groups and people showing off their “leet” DPS but end up going on downed state on occasion. This is also considering that most encounters in GW2 require a certain degree of movement which obviously stunts the flow of damage. Then again, maybe you belong to a static group of people that may have a crap ton of raiding experience (including server-firsts) from previous MMOs and the idea of PUGs may not apply to you. I don’t know that since you don’t mention it, but I figured I’d bring it up.

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Posted by: rchu.8945

rchu.8945

well said Ari Kagura.

It’s like the legendary precursor whiners, just they are either unlucky, lazy, or rather WvW than work on any of the steps to get materials for legendary, they expect to have things “easier” for them.

It’s like people in real life, if you cant commit to save some money for few years to make a down payment for a house, you deserve to live in a tiny apartment. Just because you cant work for w/e reason, it doesn’t mean the government or anyone else should just donate a house for you to live in. Sure, there are welfare programs, but they certainly dont pay out a monthly check like a 6 figure job earner income right?

Maybe enough whining Anet will implement a welfare loot system in game, but until then, these whiners will need to work for what they want instead of being handed to them.

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