No gear treadmill! All tiers above white should be removed from the game. Make everyone equal!
Exotic gear will be just as good as it was before, maybe even better since trait stats are now re-balanced onto gear. All I see is a buff to a largely unused tier of armor, which nobody should be complaining about. But alas, you guys will complain about anything…
It’s not largely unused and after this change anyone not using it will be farming for it because it will be required for pretty much everything aside from sPvP.
It won’t be required. You will be just as strong (if not more) in your exotic gear. Ascended armor was simply buffed, so now there is an actual reason to get it when there wasn’t before. Don’t get it if you don’t want it.
“The attribute difference between exotic and ascended gear has been changed from 5% to 10%”. That’s the difference between those two tiers of gear, it doesn’t matter that exotic might get buffed, Ascended gear is jumping ahead of exotic regardless of where exotic gear is. Sure, we can say I don’t want Ascended and I refuse to get it, but good luck getting in on any content that isn’t helping new players in starter zone events.
Exotic gear will be just as good as it was before, maybe even better since trait stats are now re-balanced onto gear. All I see is a buff to a largely unused tier of armor, which nobody should be complaining about. But alas, you guys will complain about anything…
It’s not largely unused and after this change anyone not using it will be farming for it because it will be required for pretty much everything aside from sPvP.
It won’t be required. You will be just as strong (if not more) in your exotic gear. Ascended armor was simply buffed, so now there is an actual reason to get it when there wasn’t before. Don’t get it if you don’t want it.
“The attribute difference between exotic and ascended gear has been changed from 5% to 10%”. That’s the difference between those two tiers of gear, it doesn’t matter that exotic might get buffed, Ascended gear is jumping ahead of exotic regardless of where exotic gear is. Sure, we can say I don’t want Ascended and I refuse to get it, but good luck getting in on any content that isn’t helping new players in starter zone events.
You’ll be just as strong as you are today in your exotic gear, but now you will have the opportunity to be even stronger by going Ascended. Don’t you want that option?
My oracles skills are floorishing today !
Choose:
a) X-packs is comming
Newer ppl will ask , once more for a ’’Progression’’ (like in the start of the game) , when they hear that the difference is only 5% .
But if they hear that the difference is larger , we will have less posts in the forums about it
They rembalanced the Condition formula (nerfed) , so even the Stats are increased , the damage will be the same .
‘’Burning :
– New damage over time: 7.5+(1.55*Level)+(0.155 * Condition Damage)’’
So its not 5% more stats = 5% more DPS …
(do you immagine if anything ’’stealth’’ happened to Physical formula too ?:P)
b) Theres will more ways to get Achentant Rings+ Earing+ Amulet ,
like in LS ep 5+8 , Daily Laurel + Fractal Daily + Guild Missions .
PPl will flock to increase their Stats for the inc Raids , by crafting the last 6 pieces-sets with Letherworking or Tailor or Blacksmithing .
PPl will waste a tons of money to raise their personal DPS
Those ppl willl hit a brick wall , when a specific boss in the same Istance forces them to change to Condition spec or more tanky one :P
While the company like Istances and World bosses , will keep balancing those encounter around Exotic gear
c) As i said before they rescaled the Condition formula (nerfed) (same with Pysical i guess)
But in the same time Toughness and Vtality formula will be not be affected .
Its almost like a DR system that punish you for stacking 3 Stats.
So in 1v1 or Raid boss if you preffer more 10% damage vs 35% suribility + the new Trais(if you above the 90% threshold you get 10% more crit or damage) , its your choise
I hear thatAtherpart was ’’Tedious’’( shame on you that you used that phrased infrond ofthe Istance Creator – you are so inteligence ….) . So if you are full Zerger gear with the constant aoes , you wont be near the 90% threshold :P
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You’ll be just as strong as you are today in your exotic gear, but now you will have the opportunity to be even stronger by going Ascended. Don’t you want that option?
Hmm, no.
OK fine, if you want me to make ascended, I can. But the reason I haven’t so far is that they keep changing traits, skills, stats, etc. Like, a lot. Like, seemingly every few months there are new metas, etc, etc. So… without changeable stats, I really don’t want to make ascended armor. Yet it will be more imperative to have it in WvW. I simply don’t want to waste my time and resources to make something that the game makers themselves will render less useful or maybe completely useless in a few months.
Either you think 5% is a big deal or you don’t.
If you think 5% is a big deal, then you already want ascended gear and have had lots of time to get some.
If you think 5% isn’t a big deal, then I would like to point out that 10% (new value) – 5% (old value) = 5% = not a big deal.
That is, if you think ascended gear wasn’t significant before, then this change isn’t significant either.
Craft or don’t. If you haven’t crafted yet, it was because of an innate stubbornness to what, save a few hundred gold? Not kill the Claw of Jormag for the 400th time?
Ascended armor is a cake walk. Either craft and be happy, or don’t and stop with the silly hate.
You clearly play the game a lot. A “few hundred gold” is a fortune to many, many players.
It’s not a simple question of “craft or don’t”. Unless you include finding other past times and ways to spend our cash in “don’t”.
If I was ArenaNet, I would have postponed this change until after HoT launch. As it is, they may lose out on a few expansion sales because of it.
If you think 5% isn’t a big deal, then I would like to point out that 10% (new value) – 5% (old value) = 5% = not a big deal.
That is, if you think ascended gear wasn’t significant before, then this change isn’t significant either.
Ooh, I want to play this game, too.
If you think 5% isn’t a big deal, then I would like to point out that 10% is a 100% increase on the difference between Exotic and Ascended. 10% (new value) / 5% (old value) = 200% = big deal.
That is, if you think ascended gear wasn’t significant before, this this change may have you rethinking.
If the stat values hold, going from full exotic to full ascended currently adds 85 to your primary gear stat. With the change it’ll become 220 more in the primary stat.
Yeah, ascended was initially (grudgingly) accepted by many players because it was a minimal and generally unneeded increase in stats over the easily-obtained exotics.
Just increase exotics so the numerical change (or possibly percentage change) in stats from exotic to ascended is the same as it is now, and we’ll be fine again.
Otherwise, this is breaking one of the major points of this game for me.
The amount of casual carebears is so sad
You use that word a lot. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
This change at least gives some incentive to get ascended armor….who really wanted to work just for an insignificant 5% boost? thats worthless in the grand scheme of things to the average player (min maxers obviously already have ascended but thats not the target audience for this change).. Now 10% changes up things because that is a boost worth farming for…
2013 “Don’t worry about Ascended. It’s such a small difference, you can take it or leave it!”
2015 “We needed the stats on Ascended to be raised so that it’s worth actually going for it!”
Sigh.
if you don’t too freaking bad, don’t go about complaining just because you can’t have the best stuff giftwrapped to your mailbox.
You must have missed the part where ArenaNet said they didn’t want players to chase gear stats, and that they wanted everyone in the game to quickly achieve BiS gear shortly after hitting max level. That was one of the big things that attracted some of us to this game. Originally, it didn’t have that usual MMORPG philosophy you express so eloquently.
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
Craft or don’t. If you haven’t crafted yet, it was because of an innate stubbornness to what, save a few hundred gold? Not kill the Claw of Jormag for the 400th time?
Ascended armor is a cake walk. Either craft and be happy, or don’t and stop with the silly hate.You clearly play the game a lot. A “few hundred gold” is a fortune to many, many players.
It’s not a simple question of “craft or don’t”. Unless you include finding other past times and ways to spend our cash in “don’t”.
If I was ArenaNet, I would have postponed this change until after HoT launch. As it is, they may lose out on a few expansion sales because of it.
You honestly believe changing ascended from 5% boost to 10% boost is going to cause the xpac to lose sales? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I’ve seen it all now. my goodness the casual players in this game go beyond casual.
You honestly believe changing ascended from 5% boost to 10% boost is going to cause the xpac to lose sales? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I’ve seen it all now. my goodness the casual players in this game go beyond casual.
Go back and look at my post. I said a few sales. Tell me what “a few” means.
It’s not about casual/hardcore. It’s about what people are looking for in a game. Some want to chase stats, others don’t. There are a huge number of stat-chasing games out there, but this one was originally billed as different.
Just make it as easy to get as exotic is currently and everyone wins!
Well, except the people who already have it, they will complain.
The amount of casual carebears is so sad
You use that word a lot. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
This change at least gives some incentive to get ascended armor….who really wanted to work just for an insignificant 5% boost? thats worthless in the grand scheme of things to the average player (min maxers obviously already have ascended but thats not the target audience for this change).. Now 10% changes up things because that is a boost worth farming for…
2013 “Don’t worry about Ascended. It’s such a small difference, you can take it or leave it!”
2015 “We needed the stats on Ascended to be raised so that it’s worth actually going for it!”
Sigh.
if you don’t too freaking bad, don’t go about complaining just because you can’t have the best stuff giftwrapped to your mailbox.
You must have missed the part where ArenaNet said they didn’t want players to chase gear stats, and that they wanted everyone in the game to quickly achieve BiS gear shortly after hitting max level. That was one of the big things that attracted some of us to this game. Originally, it didn’t have that usual MMORPG philosophy you express so eloquently.
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
You must have missed the part in pretty much every MMO that says “Things are always subject to change”
You need to stop believing every little freaking word Anet says or really any game studio that develops games.
THINGS CHANGE. All the time. If you don’t like it, bye. It’s honestly pathethic seeing how much crying is going on because they boosted ascended armor… jesus.
This boost is perfectly welcomed by most players outside of the small minority harping on about anets casualplay philosophy
If the stat values hold, going from full exotic to full ascended currently adds 85 to your primary gear stat. With the change it’ll become 220 more in the primary stat.
Let’s be clear…this change is about Ascended ARMOR, not a full Ascended set. If you haven’t been running with Ascended weapons and trinkets, well…
Currently, a full set of Ascended ARMOR gives a 14 point main stat and 11 point side stat increase. These values are inherently going to change since stats are being moved onto gear, but that’s all you get. And that benefit is being doubled.
OHMYGODRIOT!
You honestly believe changing ascended from 5% boost to 10% boost is going to cause the xpac to lose sales? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I’ve seen it all now. my goodness the casual players in this game go beyond casual.
Go back and look at my post. I said a few sales. Tell me what “a few” means.
It’s not about casual/hardcore. It’s about what people are looking for in a game. Some want to chase stats, others don’t. There are a huge number of stat-chasing games out there, but this one was originally billed as different.
a few still means a loss, which is what i said.. This xpac will be just as successful even if the change remained same or even if the boost went to 15%..
This game goes beyond numbers on an armor tier… if you honestly believe thats what is going to lose a few sales for an xpac thats bringing about 100 other things to fruit, than so be it..your delusional is all i can say.
I’ve seen it all now. my goodness the casual players in this game go beyond casual.
I am casual, and yet I have 3 sets of ascended for each armor tier. Being casual does not mean being a whining kitten. We need to set this thread right in that it is not the “casual” gamers that are complaining but the whining kittenes.
Sorry, I’ve been a bit late to the party and there are too many posts now… quick question, has this been confirmed by ANet? How is it that some unknown source has this information before anybody else?
I’ve seen it all now. my goodness the casual players in this game go beyond casual.
I am casual, and yet I have 3 sets of ascended for each armor tier. Being casual does not mean being a whining kitten. We need to set this thread right in that it is not the “casual” gamers that are complaining but the whining kittenes.
Guess I should say SOME casual players instead of lumping them all together.. but you have 3 sets of ascended doesn’t make me feel like you are a casual lol..at least not in terms of what this game has (casual as in play a couple times a WEEK).. you can’t get 3 sets of ascended playing couple times a week lol…unless pay real $$
Treadmill? That’s a laugh. Ffxiv is a gear treadmill…this is a a sunday morning walk in the park. The game isn’t difficult, you can accomplish everything you want to do without ascended. Don’t even need the armor or weapons for fractals up to 40.
See, the problem I have with these guys is that ANet posted it here 18 hours ago. But these guys posted what they have only 7 and a half hours ago.
Basically my point is that it would have been no trouble to grab what ANet posted and stick it on the end of literally anything they wanted and called it direct from ANet.
I mean, if these guys are legit, why has ANet not come out with these gems that people have been begging for for years?
BALANCE, BUG-FIXING, POLISH
General
• Added an option to lock the ground target marker at maximum skill range, preventing the marker from being placed out of range.
• Fixed a bug that prevented characters attempting to target Nearest Enemy from selecting a target behind them.
• Item tooltips for soulbound items will now display the name of the character it is bound to if it isn’t the current character.
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
You must have missed the part in pretty much every MMO that says “Things are always subject to change”
Huh, that’s funny, because I was addressing that in the last line of my post, right above your response. Yes, things change. But even ArenaNet agreed at one point, which flies in the face of your insulting attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is “pathetic”.
You need to stop believing every little freaking word Anet says or really any game studio that develops games.
At this point, I believe nothing of what ArenaNet says. There was a point where they seemed passionate about doing things differently and were a very open and communicative company, however. Of course, it’s easy to be that when the game hasn’t launched, and the money people are giving the artsy people lots of freedom to pursue and share their passions.
THINGS CHANGE. All the time. If you don’t like it, bye. It’s honestly pathethic seeing how much crying is going on because they boosted ascended armor… jesus.
This boost is perfectly welcomed by most players outside of the small minority harping on about anets casualplay philosophy
Look. You may not like it, but any company with any sort of longevity would rather have its upset customers sharing why they are no longer spending money on the service than see them quietly cease to be customers.
Based on a many design choices over the last three years I went from a paying, playing customer to paying less and less, and now playing less and less. At this point I don’t even log in daily to grab the daily reward. With the HoT announcement, I thought that might change, but the character rollback and now this ascended change is making me second guess that.
This forum is the place to let ArenaNet know why. If you don’t like it, bye.
I can tell you have a lot of anger. You might want to get some counseling for that. And by all means, man-up enough to show respect for other people’s faiths not to use their deities as swear words.
Oh man, this really sucks. This makes the gear grind even more necessary than ever. It’s a terrible move to make ascended more powerful than it was previously.
Sorry, I’ve been a bit late to the party and there are too many posts now… quick question, has this been confirmed by ANet? How is it that some unknown source has this information before anybody else?
Not confirmed by ArenaNet as far as I know, but several sites have posted them up saying that they received them from ArenaNet, including Dulfy.
If someone doesn’t have ascended gear after all this time, what have they even been doing in the game?
Plus it’s a measly 5% increase. If you survived with -5% buff on armor6, you’ll survive with a -10% buff on armor. WvW never was or never will be completely balanced. Hell, pvp isn’t even balanced with how OP some classes are becoming.
This really feels like complaining for the sake of it. They’re not making you farm for a new tier of gear, they’re buffing an existed gear that came out…2 years ago?
Also I’m pretty sure the jump from rare —> exotic is more than from exotic --> ascended. So that’s probably why they made the change. It takes the most amount of time to invest into and going from exotic to ascended has the smallest stat increase.
I can’t believe people are making a big deal out of something so insignificant. >.<
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Oh man, this really sucks. This makes the gear grind even more necessary than ever. It’s a terrible move to make ascended more powerful than it was previously.
Why? You can still do everything in the game without it.
This doesn’t have any real impact on PvE. This has no impact on PvP. The only mode that has even the slightest concern is WvW, and unless you’re a roamer it still doesn’t.
Sorry, I’ve been a bit late to the party and there are too many posts now… quick question, has this been confirmed by ANet? How is it that some unknown source has this information before anybody else?
Not confirmed by ArenaNet as far as I know, but several sites have posted them up saying that they received them from ArenaNet, including Dulfy.
If Dulfy has it, then it’s probably true. It still doesn’t matter, though, and is the least significant news in all that information, next to class changes for builds you don’t use.
This change at least gives some incentive to get ascended armor….who really wanted to work just for an insignificant 5% boost? thats worthless in the grand scheme of things to the average player (min maxers obviously already have ascended but thats not the target audience for this change).. Now 10% changes up things because that is a boost worth farming for…
2013 “Don’t worry about Ascended. It’s such a small difference, you can take it or leave it!”
2015 “We needed the stats on Ascended to be raised so that it’s worth actually going for it!”
Sigh.
if you don’t too freaking bad, don’t go about complaining just because you can’t have the best stuff giftwrapped to your mailbox.
You must have missed the part where ArenaNet said they didn’t want players to chase gear stats, and that they wanted everyone in the game to quickly achieve BiS gear shortly after hitting max level. That was one of the big things that attracted some of us to this game. Originally, it didn’t have that usual MMORPG philosophy you express so eloquently.
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
I argued back then that this was exactly where we’d end up.
That the 5% would turn into more and more as the hardcore it was intended to satisfy grew unhappy with the amount of work required for that tiny boost.
And not having to chase stats was the biggest reason I stayed with GW1, and dove into GW2 with as much enthusiasm as I did.
I’ve always said that part of what made the series so great was being different, not just doing the same crap as everyone else.
And then gamers from those other games come here and want to turn GW2 into Wow.
I don’t play WoW and those like it because the gear treadmill isn’t for me.
Maybe this game isn’t for fans of that style?
Not every game has to be for everyone.
I often wonder about people.
They come to a new game, and immediately start trying to turn it into the games they abandoned.
Why?
Clearly they left the game for a reason, have they considered that maybe the features they want are why they left the old game? (I know some friends did that, left a game and then rabidly tried to get their new game changed to have the features from the old one, even though those features are why they came to hate the old game. But they were familiar, what my friends were used to. And it took sitting down and really making them think about it to get them to realize that. I think a lot of people do this unconsciously)
Let’s use math to explain how silly you complainers are:
Current Exotic Armor Stats:
315/224/224
Exotic Armor Stats + 30% (Projected):
410/291/291
Current Ascended Armor Stats:
329/235/235
Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+5% (Projected):
431/306/306
Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+10% (Projected):
451/320/320
The difference from 5% to 10% (what everybody is all worked up over) is about 20 main stat and 14 off stat. Not that big of a deal…
I think it a great thing. Ascended takes alot of effort to make so the payoff should be reflected in that. It is not gamebreaking in the least and gives players something more to aim for.
Yes one less care bear in the game good bye
According to this,
http://www.dragonseason.com/activity/390/
Anet sent them the complete changelog for the upcoming update, and it includes this little tidbit that was never mentioned in all the lead-up:
• The attribute difference between exotic and ascended gear has been changed from 5% to 10%
This is a complete contradiction of Anet’s assertions that there would be no treadmill, no gear-based power creep. I’m sure I don’t need to remind anyone who was around for it of the massive uprising that was caused when Ascended tier equipment was first added into the game. Many people left the game over that mess. I myself stopped playing for many months due to the bad taste it left.This is the exact same thing all over again.
The fact that it is a buff to the existing top-tier gear instead of a new one is nothing but semantics, a sneaky way to force people to get Ascended who were doing just fine without it. The game has been and should’ve continued to be balanced around Exotic-tier power levels.
It seems Anet has, once again, betrayed the spirit of the vaunted Manifesto by forcing players to get on the treadmill and grind for ridiculously expensive Ascended gear if they want to remain competitive. This will also certainly lead to “ascended only” LFGs and other elitist nonsense.
Why have we heard nothing of this until now? Was the plan simply to hope no-one would notice it amongst all the other changes? What possible justification can be made for starting this gear-based power creep all over again?
I think it a great thing. Ascended takes alot of effort to make so the payoff should be reflected in that. It is not gamebreaking in the least and gives players something more to aim for.
Unless they already got it, like so many people have in the years they’ve existed. They just get a buff.
Although, they probably need to remake at least one piece to offset the change in trait stats.
Make it purchasable in the TP, ill be happy. Why waste time and craft(I really dislike that PvE kitten), when I could simply be able to just purchase it, I mean you can buy Legendaries…why not Ascended.
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
You must have missed the part in pretty much every MMO that says “Things are always subject to change”
Huh, that’s funny, because I was addressing that in the last line of my post, right above your response. Yes, things change. But even ArenaNet agreed at one point, which flies in the face of your insulting attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is “pathetic”.
You need to stop believing every little freaking word Anet says or really any game studio that develops games.
At this point, I believe nothing of what ArenaNet says. There was a point where they seemed passionate about doing things differently and were a very open and communicative company, however. Of course, it’s easy to be that when the game hasn’t launched, and the money people are giving the artsy people lots of freedom to pursue and share their passions.
THINGS CHANGE. All the time. If you don’t like it, bye. It’s honestly pathethic seeing how much crying is going on because they boosted ascended armor… jesus.
This boost is perfectly welcomed by most players outside of the small minority harping on about anets casualplay philosophyLook. You may not like it, but any company with any sort of longevity would rather have its upset customers sharing why they are no longer spending money on the service than see them quietly cease to be customers.
Based on a many design choices over the last three years I went from a paying, playing customer to paying less and less, and now playing less and less. At this point I don’t even log in daily to grab the daily reward. With the HoT announcement, I thought that might change, but the character rollback and now this ascended change is making me second guess that.
This forum is the place to let ArenaNet know why. If you don’t like it, bye.
I can tell you have a lot of anger. You might want to get some counseling for that. And by all means, man-up enough to show respect for other people’s faiths not to use their deities as swear words.
Lol, this is the internet, if you feel your faith has been attacked and you don’t like it.. than idk what to tell you. Get thicker skin. Words on a gaming forum really should not upset your faith.. my goodness..
anyways,
This is a forum, I can also freely state to anet that this change seems fine and I’m allowed to freely refute your opinion on this thread about this being a bad change.. theres a thousand other things that are being shaken up and stirred in the xpac… this is probably the least concerning one… you got traits and skills being totally revamped and changing up the meta far more than a 5% boost to stats….that should be the bigger concern..
The difference from 5% to 10% (what everybody is all worked up over) is about 20 main stat and 14 off stat. Not that big of a deal…
One way of looking at it.
But you’re comparing 5% ascended to 10% ascended, which doesn’t really address the issue. A lot of people who don’t like that Ascended was added to the game didn’t like that it had any stat increase at all, but were content to just grumble a little because it was only 20 main and 14 off stat (with the 30% you figured in). Now it’s going to be 40 main and 29 off stat, and that seems like a pretty big bonus for something that is locked behind a ridiculously large, costly materials list and crafting grind.
It’s the gap between Ascended and Exotic we’re concerned about, not the gap between old Ascended and new Ascended. That latter gap is as small as the gap between old Ascended and Exotic, but it adds up to a more concerning gap between new Ascended and Exotic.
Make it purchasable in the TP, ill be happy. Why waste time and craft, when I could simply be able to just purchase it, I mean you can buy Legendaries…why not Ascended.
you can buy them lol.
just buy the ascended mats straight up from TP….
Unless you are actually short on the drag ore/empy stars/bloodstone bricks lol, than your out of luck.. back to silverwastes and spam 1 to victory
I know, in three years we should have moved on. Unfortunately, nobody has yet made the game we were told GW2 was going to be.
You must have missed the part in pretty much every MMO that says “Things are always subject to change”
Huh, that’s funny, because I was addressing that in the last line of my post, right above your response. Yes, things change. But even ArenaNet agreed at one point, which flies in the face of your insulting attitude that everyone who disagrees with you is “pathetic”.
You need to stop believing every little freaking word Anet says or really any game studio that develops games.
At this point, I believe nothing of what ArenaNet says. There was a point where they seemed passionate about doing things differently and were a very open and communicative company, however. Of course, it’s easy to be that when the game hasn’t launched, and the money people are giving the artsy people lots of freedom to pursue and share their passions.
THINGS CHANGE. All the time. If you don’t like it, bye. It’s honestly pathethic seeing how much crying is going on because they boosted ascended armor… jesus.
This boost is perfectly welcomed by most players outside of the small minority harping on about anets casualplay philosophyLook. You may not like it, but any company with any sort of longevity would rather have its upset customers sharing why they are no longer spending money on the service than see them quietly cease to be customers.
Based on a many design choices over the last three years I went from a paying, playing customer to paying less and less, and now playing less and less. At this point I don’t even log in daily to grab the daily reward. With the HoT announcement, I thought that might change, but the character rollback and now this ascended change is making me second guess that.
This forum is the place to let ArenaNet know why. If you don’t like it, bye.
I can tell you have a lot of anger. You might want to get some counseling for that. And by all means, man-up enough to show respect for other people’s faiths not to use their deities as swear words.
Lol, this is the internet, if you feel your faith has been attacked and you don’t like it.. than idk what to tell you. Get thicker skin. Words on a gaming forum really should not upset your faith.. my goodness..
anyways,
This is a forum, I can also freely state to anet that this change seems fine and I’m allowed to freely refute your opinion on this thread about this being a bad change.. theres a thousand other things that are being shaken up and stirred in the xpac… this is probably the least concerning one… you got traits and skills being totally revamped and changing up the meta far more than a 5% boost to stats….that should be the bigger concern..
They probably would have been if we hadn’t known all about it for so long. We had plenty of time to get over it, just as this too will pass.
Make it purchasable in the TP, ill be happy. Why waste time and craft(I really dislike that PvE kitten), when I could simply be able to just purchase it, I mean you can buy Legendaries…why not Ascended.
THIS 10000000000000 TIMES!!!!!
I think it a great thing. Ascended takes alot of effort to make so the payoff should be reflected in that. It is not gamebreaking in the least and gives players something more to aim for.
If they normalize stats in WvWvW it would go a long way in making it less relevant. Or simply reduce the grind to obtain it severely.
It has a big impact on build diversity and playing alts.
I’m one who hopes the change is true. Maybe if I didn’t have a few sets I would feel differently. But then if I didn’t have them I would think it was my fault and certainly not Anets. Since it’s on Dulfy I’m inclined to believe it is true. Can’t think of a time she has let us down.
The difference from 5% to 10% (what everybody is all worked up over) is about 20 main stat and 14 off stat. Not that big of a deal…
One way of looking at it.
But you’re comparing 5% ascended to 10% ascended, which doesn’t really address the issue. A lot of people who don’t like that Ascended was added to the game didn’t like that it had any stat increase at all, but were content to just grumble a little because it was only 20 main and 14 off stat (with the 30% you figured in). Now it’s going to be 40 main and 29 off stat, and that seems like a pretty big bonus for something that is locked behind a ridiculously large, costly materials list and crafting grind.
It’s the gap between Ascended and Exotic we’re concerned about, not the gap between old Ascended and new Ascended. That latter gap is as small as the gap between old Ascended and Exotic, but it adds up to a more concerning gap between new Ascended and Exotic.
Keep in mind that these numbers are inflated from rebalancing stats by moving them from traits to gear, which inherently makes gear stronger. So Ascended gear was getting a buff from the moment the announced this change. The extra 5% is the only difference since the announcement and now you guys are all worked up.
Make it purchasable in the TP, ill be happy. Why waste time and craft, when I could simply be able to just purchase it, I mean you can buy Legendaries…why not Ascended.
you can buy them lol.
just buy the ascended mats straight up from TP….
Unless you are actually short on the drag ore/empy stars/bloodstone bricks lol, than your out of luck.. back to silverwastes and spam 1 to victory
I don’t want to craft at all, I’m not even going to level that kitten.
I’m playing this game for the PvP/WvW, not for cooking and crafting…if I got gold why cant I just buy the gear I want.
You gotta understand, for most PvPers the PvE experience ended in Queensdale/EoTM.
Lol, this is the internet, if you feel your faith has been attacked and you don’t like it.. than idk what to tell you. Get thicker skin. Words on a gaming forum really should not upset your faith.. my goodness..
No, there’s no way you could upset my faith. I was just pointing out your boorishness. Not that I expected you to change, but childish behavior should be recognized, so people don’t feel like it is generally accepted.
anyways,
This is a forum, I can also freely state to anet that this change seems fine and I’m allowed to freely refute your opinion on this thread about this being a bad change..
Absolutely. Please do. But grow up enough not to feel the need to spew derision on people because they disagree with you.
theres a thousand other things that are being shaken up and stirred in the xpac… this is probably the least concerning one…
For you.
you got traits and skills being totally revamped and changing up the meta far more than a 5% boost to stats….that should be the bigger concern..
Why?
THINGS CHANGE. All the time. If you don’t like it, bye.
The difference from 5% to 10% (what everybody is all worked up over) is about 20 main stat and 14 off stat. Not that big of a deal…
One way of looking at it.
But you’re comparing 5% ascended to 10% ascended, which doesn’t really address the issue. A lot of people who don’t like that Ascended was added to the game didn’t like that it had any stat increase at all, but were content to just grumble a little because it was only 20 main and 14 off stat (with the 30% you figured in). Now it’s going to be 40 main and 29 off stat, and that seems like a pretty big bonus for something that is locked behind a ridiculously large, costly materials list and crafting grind.
It’s the gap between Ascended and Exotic we’re concerned about, not the gap between old Ascended and new Ascended. That latter gap is as small as the gap between old Ascended and Exotic, but it adds up to a more concerning gap between new Ascended and Exotic.
This gap will have an effect on WvW the most.. as it effects builds but majority of the players/guild that play WvW religiously already have ascended…
Casuals trying to roam in exotic will probably get beat up more thanks to this change but honestly… if you were roaming in exotics prior to this, you were still most likely going to get beat by someone in full ascended unless they aren’t skilled… but if you join a zerg in exotics, you will still continue to do just fine… WvW will always be a numbers game .. whoever has the bigger zerg and coverage times will win… not “whoever has the most ascended”..
In PvE, pfft, this has little to no impact at all. Everything in this games carebear land of PvE minus high lvl fracs can already be done in exoctics.. heck even rares lol.
Let’s use math to explain how silly you complainers are:
Current Exotic Armor Stats:
315/224/224
Exotic Armor Stats + 30% (Projected):
410/291/291
Current Ascended Armor Stats:
329/235/235Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+5% (Projected):
431/306/306
Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+10% (Projected):
451/320/320The difference from 5% to 10% (what everybody is all worked up over) is about 20 main stat and 14 off stat. Not that big of a deal…
Just to be sure, the difference people are worried about isn’t from old ascended to
new ascended, it’s from new exotic to new ascended.
So we’re going from this gap:
Current Exotic Armor Stats:
315/224/224
Current Ascended Armor Stats:
329/235/235
(14 main, 11 minor)
…to this gap:
Exotic Armor Stats + 30% (Projected):
410/291/291
Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+10% (Projected):
451/320/320
(41 main, 29 minor)
Current gap is small, ignoring it and using exotic won’t hurt your gameplay.
With this change, if it’s real, and I’m actually still not sure it is at this point, it’d be 41 to the main stat and 29 to the minor stats. Exactly how big of a deal that is is still certainly arguable, but it’s bigger than the gap was before, and much bigger than the gap you’ve mentioned.
Because of this, there’s a serious worry that those using exotic gear (due to either not playing as much, or having changed builds to try something else out, or having changed builds because Sinister suddenly became the top DPS spec instead of Berserker’s or some such if that comes to pass) will have a significantly harder time in the newer content.
I guess the ultimate question is this: Will using exotics still be fully viable to the average player in WvW and the new PvE content after this patch? If so, I guess I have no real complaint worth pursuit.
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