A Treatise on Tipping
You know your response just proved my point, don’t you?
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You know your response just proved my point, don’t you?
Have you read the whole thread? I have a mesmer. I port people all the time. I also go out of my way to help people out on any other character I’m playing. When someone helps me out I’m grateful and I thank them or even try to help them in return. The difference is that I don’t feel entitled to a tip when I help someone. I do it because helping people in this game is fun. It makes me feel good and it makes the other person feel good. If I get a tip that’s cool. Yay! But I don’t pout when I don’t get them because I didn’t expect one in the first place. I also don’t think someone doesn’t appreciate what I did for them because they just thanked me instead of tipping me. At this point I can’t even tell if you’re trolling or if you really don’t get this.
As I said before, if a mesmer helps me get to a location I couldn’t I’ll thank and tip them. It’s not a requirement, but something of a courtesy. If you don’t feel the need, that’s on you.
However, there’s no need to show your proverbial rear to the mesmer or the responders to this thread should you disagree on the means, or method, for those that do tip.
Which is pretty much what you did earlier with your sarcastic post. So please don’t get altruist about it now. You knew what you were doing when you posted your mocking reply. And it proved my point about the rude behavior and responses in this thread.
I get it. Better than you know. And, again, the opposing responses, like yours, say more than you intended.
I’ll just leave it at that.
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(edited by Ardenwolfe.8590)
Just about any activity in the game helps you get achievements. Do you tip people who go out of the way to rez you, give you boons, kill something you’re having difficulty with, etc? If you want to tip, more power to you. But they’re not entitled to a tip just because they took a little time to help you and used a class skill.
That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior.
And what are we talking? A gold? All this fuss over a single gold coin worth of appreciation for help?
That’s just sad.
I hope you realize, that in all your arguments, this is a huge logical fallacy, and that this can apply to the same rant that people should expect tips too.
A single coin? All this fun about complaining instead of being a nice person over a single coin?
You know your response just proved my point, don’t you?
Have you read the whole thread? I have a mesmer. I port people all the time. I also go out of my way to help people out on any other character I’m playing. When someone helps me out I’m grateful and I thank them or even try to help them in return. The difference is that I don’t feel entitled to a tip when I help someone. I do it because helping people in this game is fun. It makes me feel good and it makes the other person feel good. If I get a tip that’s cool. Yay! But I don’t pout when I don’t get them because I didn’t expect one in the first place. I also don’t think someone doesn’t appreciate what I did for them because they just thanked me instead of tipping me. At this point I can’t even tell if you’re trolling or if you really don’t get this.
It’s the Dunning Kruger effect my friend. And if you don’t agree with him you’re wrong, or a horrible person, or “toxic”.
Don’t mind the fact I pay it forward too doesn’t excuse me from not tipping, because I Don’t help others out on my mesmer for free too.
Low and behold Lord Greedicus
Just about any activity in the game helps you get achievements. Do you tip people who go out of the way to rez you, give you boons, kill something you’re having difficulty with, etc? If you want to tip, more power to you. But they’re not entitled to a tip just because they took a little time to help you and used a class skill.
That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior, it should be criminal. If a mesmer takes the time to get to the end of a jumping puzzle I cannot get to, yes I tip them and also thank them.
I know that’s crazy. Polite behavior in an MMO? Shocking. But I also tend to thank people who do give me buffs and rezzes . . . should I go into a down state which is rare.
It’s not an entitlement. It’s another form of thank you. And I find it very telling that the loudest people to balk tend to be the ones with the rudest responses in the this thread.
Which, in turn, is no shock at all.
And what are we talking? A gold? All this fuss over a single gold coin worth of appreciation for help?
That’s just sad.
How can you not see that gold isn’t the only polite way to thank someone for their help? How can you not see that mesmers feeling entitled to someone’s gold because they put down a portal without first stating that their selling ports is ludicrous? How can you not see that I have absolute no problem with people wanting to tip, just that the entitlement to tips in this thread is disgusting?
“That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior, it should be criminal.”
That’s such a gross exaggeration and misrepresentation of what I said, it should be comical. (It is.)
“But I also tend to thank people who do give me buffs and rezzes . . . should I go into a down state which is rare.”
Why are you not tipping them? How selfish can you be? It should be criminal.
Good closing point. He should tip for other services too, because if you don’t get rezzed you have to run all the way back. this could mean missing the boss, or getting a crappy rank on the rewards or other things.
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I almost always tip my Mesmers, but when I’m the Mes portalling people to any end goal, I have never asked for or expected tips. If someone does tip me, that’s great, but I do it because I remember being so frustrated by some of the jump quests in my earlier days of playing that I would quit for days.
Now that I am way better at jumping, I am always willing to port people (at NO cost to them) to whatever objective they might need. The best thing to do is if you expect/want tips then ask for them. People that are happy to tip will use your service and do so, and those that don’t want to pay for the portal will wait for another mesmer to drop one later or in a different map spawn.
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Can the argument over nothing stop please? Mesmer portal is a convenience, which can save a fair amount of time. If you believe the convenience is worth tipping for, you will tip. If you don’t, you won’t. Either way you should be polite to your mesmer (being polite in general is a plus!).
Fringe cases where people feel entitled to ports (and being rude about it) is a separate issue, which does occasionally surface. These cases should be dealt with as such.
In summary: Be polite and do not feel entitled to other people’s resources (be it mesmer feeling entitled to tips, or people feeling entitled to portal).
Agreed, Zania, and well said.
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Can the argument over nothing stop please? Mesmer portal is a convenience, which can save a fair amount of time. If you believe the convenience is worth tipping for, you will tip. If you don’t, you won’t. Either way you should be polite to your mesmer (being polite in general is a plus!).
Fringe cases where people feel entitled to ports (and being rude about it) is a separate issue, which does occasionally surface. These cases should be dealt with as such.
In summary: Be polite and do not feel entitled to other people’s resources (be it mesmer feeling entitled to tips, or people feeling entitled to portal).
I’ve explained this multiple times, but a select few do not believe that this is fair )the entitled bunch)
Agreed, Zania, and well said.
You agree with this with Zania, but then contradict it in your other statements. So what gives? Not only that but you used insults to try to justify the a fact that only proved you and chiros agree.
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“It’s not a requirement, but something of a courtesy.”
Ardenwolfe, I agree with this sentiment and have said so several times throughout this thread. My issue is with people that seem to think that they are owed a tip for a port and that a thank you isn’t enough. If someone is selling a port then I’ll gladly pay. If someone gives me a gift which wasn’t really a gift (they expect money for the port they put down) then that’s the issue I’ve been talking about.
“Which is pretty much what you did earlier with your sarcastic post.”
I responded sarcastically to your post calling me a criminal for stating that feeling entitled to tips for ports is wrong. I responded to nonsense with nonsense. You don’t get to take the high ground on that one. Your misplaced condescension isn’t appreciated and says more than you intended.
I have strongly disagreed with people in this thread. I have told people when I thought they were wrong and have described why I think they are wrong. I’m not telling people they’re criminals because they disagree with me.
Sigh. I really do need to stop reading these forums. . . .
I said your earlier response was such a gross over-simplification that it should be criminal. That saying does not mean I called you a criminal.
For example, “That cake was so delicious it should be criminal!”
That does not mean I called the cake a criminal.
. . .
My God. I really had to explain that? I’m bowing out of this thread for obvious reasons now.
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Sigh. I really do need to stop reading these forums. . . .
I said your earlier response was such a gross over-simplification that it should be criminal. That saying does not mean I called you a criminal.
For example, “That cake was so delicious it should be criminal!”
That does not mean I called the cake a criminal.
. . .
My God. I really had to explain that? I’m bowing out of this thread for obvious reasons now.
If you don’t see the difference between jokingly saying “something delicious is so good it should be criminal” and using hyperbole to insultingly tell someone you think they’re wrong then I don’t know what to say. They’re both hyperbole but used with very a different intent. Then again, maybe you meant that I’m as delicious as cake. I’ll take that as a compliment. However I want to make it clear (and bring this back to the topic at hand in a roundabout way) that, although I was grateful for the compliment, I neither expected it nor did I feel entitled to it.
To OP: I’m sorry that this argument has derailed your thread and I won’t be contributing anything more to the argument.
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