Guild Wars 2

Probably most of you haven’t noticed but after the new patch, new items (no, not Ascended gear) have been introduced in the game. Yes, a whole set, new gloves, helm and shoulders as well if I’m not mistaking. You might think that the new items look good? Yes, yes they do! The new helm even is a MASK ! a Heavy armor MASK ! the first one in the game that a LOT of people would want, but hey, guess what? It’s Halls of Monuments. Everything !….. We did overlook that probably 50% of the Titles are unlock-able ONLY through Halls of Monuments, the epic Flame Sword is Hall of Monuments only also, but hey, that was for previous players and a thanks for playing the 1st game. But now? More and more items are being put into the Halls of Monuments, GOOD looking items ! What about us people, that did not like GW1 and did not play it, but we bought and enjoy GW2? Are we suppose to buy GW1 and spend hours and hours playing it just to get the ONLY heavy mask in the game? This is not fair and is not right. One item once in a while is fine, but putting whole sets + more separate items is not. I completely disagree with the new gear that’s only Hall of Monuments accessible. This is pure discrimination to current GW2 players that have not played GW1. You cannot put so much stuff (one of the best looking in the game as well) available only to GW1 players. That is not fair and I do think that it needs to be changed. (I uploaded a picture of the HEAVY-armor mask and the epic sword as well)

I was a GW1 player, how do i get the new mask and sword??

According to the wiki, they are accessible in the Halls of Monuments, google it and it will tell you how to get them. Since i’m clearly not a GW1 player, I do not know the specifics on how to acquire them.

lisamee.2408:

I was a GW1 player, how do i get the new mask and sword??

Use the Hall of Monuments portal stone:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments_Portal_Stone

You must have played 1 campaign and linked it with Eye of the North.

To the OP…it’s fair:

• It’s just skins
• It was a plus for people who supported ANet prior to GW2.
• It can still be obtained by playing GW1 now. I think the mask requires 12 points and the Fiery Dragon Sword requires 10.
• Lastly, this is not “new”…this is very…VERY old news. We knew about getting rewards in 2007, knew what the rewards were in 2010. These have been here SINCE BETA. you’re JUST noticing these NOW?

The wiki says for GW1 players of “Eye of the North”. I played the original guild wars, and one expansion “Factions”. Does this mean i cannot get the Halls of Monuments items?

They weren’t added to the game, they were there already, just as PvP rewards, SOME players experienced the issue of not having ALL of those listed as PvE rewards too, which finally got fixed.

Also for those wondering if they are eligible of such items http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=welcome

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hall_of_monuments

Some have had issues with the item that teleports to the HoM in GW2 (first weeks), which led to an item being sold by an NPC in LA.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments_Portal_Stone

Nothing new was added to the Hall of Monuments, they’ve all been there since launch.

Hate to break it to you but these rewards were announced in 2010. 3 years ago. They haven’t changed since then and they have always been known on how to get them. They are a reward for people who played GW1. There is nothing new about them.

Even if they were new to the Hall what exactly would be the problem? They are gated items just like any other items in the game. If you want x you must do y. Nothing really new with that system and since new items are added to other gated categories, why not with this one?

The issue is that they are one of a kind items (some of them). I do not mind the Fiery sword that much as there is Jormag’s breath for GW2 players – a perfect substitute. The Mask however, is one of a kind and is only available through Halls of Monuments. You cannot get a Heavy-armored mask or anything remotely close to it if you haven’t played GW1. That’s my issue with it. I am not saying that the exact same thing should be available, but a satisfying substitute.

No, because the Hall of Monumens is in the Eye of the North and is good to have all the expansion to get most of achivements.

To OP, all items are the old ones, they dont put “new” items, simple now the mask and the gloves could wear in heavy, medium or light armor, but there are the old ones.

The Hall Monuments are a reward for people who get X achivements in GW1, is known sice 2007 when they launch Eye of The North, the Fiery Dragon Sword was a skin in GW1 and is not new in this update , is in GW2 since beta.

The same with the players who unlkitten Title “God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals” to people who get 30 Max titles in GW1, they still have it in GW2.

Is a reward for all veteran GW players who work hard for their characters for 7-8 years, maybe if someday launch GW3 they will do the same thing.

spiffu.5769:

The issue is that they are one of a kind items (some of them). I do not mind the Fiery sword that much as there is Jormag’s breath for GW2 players – a perfect substitute. The Mask however, is one of a kind and is only available through Halls of Monuments. You cannot get a Heavy-armored mask or anything remotely close to it if you haven’t played GW1. That’s my issue with it. I am not saying that the exact same thing should be available, but a satisfying substitute.

Again, there are plenty examples of exclusive items in the game already that are gated to other methods of acquisition. This is no different other than there’s something that you want. Like everyone else, you have just as much potential to achieve these items if you so desire.

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

The issue is that they are one of a kind items (some of them). I do not mind the Fiery sword that much as there is Jormag’s breath for GW2 players – a perfect substitute. The Mask however, is one of a kind and is only available through Halls of Monuments. You cannot get a Heavy-armored mask or anything remotely close to it if you haven’t played GW1. That’s my issue with it. I am not saying that the exact same thing should be available, but a satisfying substitute.

Again, there are plenty examples of exclusive items in the game already that are gated to other methods of acquisition. This is no different other than there’s something that you want. Like everyone else, you have just as much potential to achieve these items if you so desire.

The thing is that they make you buy an entirely different game to do so. Money is one thing – if you want it, you pay for it (Like League of Legends). The problem I have is that in order to get them not only do I have to pay for it, but I have to spend time (Like a previous comment even said years) in order to get everything I want in an entirely different game. That’s the problem I have with it.

spiffu.5769:

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

The issue is that they are one of a kind items (some of them). I do not mind the Fiery sword that much as there is Jormag’s breath for GW2 players – a perfect substitute. The Mask however, is one of a kind and is only available through Halls of Monuments. You cannot get a Heavy-armored mask or anything remotely close to it if you haven’t played GW1. That’s my issue with it. I am not saying that the exact same thing should be available, but a satisfying substitute.

Again, there are plenty examples of exclusive items in the game already that are gated to other methods of acquisition. This is no different other than there’s something that you want. Like everyone else, you have just as much potential to achieve these items if you so desire.

The thing is that they make you buy an entirely different game to do so. Money is one thing – if you want it, you pay for it (Like League of Legends). The problem I have is that in order to get them not only do I have to pay for it, but I have to spend time (Like a previous comment even said years) in order to get everything I want in an entirely different game. That’s the problem I have with it.

Which is exactly what everyone else has to do if they want those items as well. This was a system that was announced 3 years ago. It’s a bit too late to argue that it’s the wrong system to have implemented. I highly doubt that you’ll see any changes anytime soon.

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

The issue is that they are one of a kind items (some of them). I do not mind the Fiery sword that much as there is Jormag’s breath for GW2 players – a perfect substitute. The Mask however, is one of a kind and is only available through Halls of Monuments. You cannot get a Heavy-armored mask or anything remotely close to it if you haven’t played GW1. That’s my issue with it. I am not saying that the exact same thing should be available, but a satisfying substitute.

Again, there are plenty examples of exclusive items in the game already that are gated to other methods of acquisition. This is no different other than there’s something that you want. Like everyone else, you have just as much potential to achieve these items if you so desire.

The thing is that they make you buy an entirely different game to do so. Money is one thing – if you want it, you pay for it (Like League of Legends). The problem I have is that in order to get them not only do I have to pay for it, but I have to spend time (Like a previous comment even said years) in order to get everything I want in an entirely different game. That’s the problem I have with it.

Which is exactly what everyone else has to do if they want those items as well. This was a system that was announced 3 years ago. It’s a bit too late to argue that it’s the wrong system to have implemented. I highly doubt that you’ll see any changes anytime soon.

Again, I don’t have a problem with the system ! I have a problem that some items do not have a satisfying substitute like they should for players that do not play GW1 (I gave the example with the Fiery sword and Jormag’s breath). That’s the problem I have, not the system itself.

@spiffu.5769

One of the best ways to enjoy this game of cosmetics is to try out new combos, are you sure you tried everything? TRULY sure? have you made a dedicated set per character-creation-mask already? there’s at least 4 you want to try out which look very cool imo.

Try more dyes also, they could change everything, and once you’re finally done, try and match a good looking weapon with your newly found style.

About the mask, it actually clips… a LOT, so it’s not exactly optimal if you were looking for it, fear not.

Rfreak.6591:

@spiffu.5769

One of the best ways to enjoy this game of cosmetics is to try out new combos, are you sure you tried everything? TRULY sure? have you made a dedicated set per character-creation-mask already? there’s at least 4 you want to try out which look very cool imo.

Try more dyes also, they could change everything, and once you’re finally done, try and match a good looking weapon with your newly found style.

About the mask, it actually clips… a LOT, so it’s not exactly optimal if you were looking for it, fear not.

I have tried a lot my friend, I have 4 lvl 80 characters of which 2 are Heavy-armor wearers. I have all the dyes from the rust and brick to the abyss and celestial. I am not saying there aren’t decent combos, but a Mask for example is EXACTLY what I need on my warrior’s look and I cannot have that because it’s heavy and I haven’t played GW1…. I tried helms ranging from Vigil to Arah etc, I personally need a Heavy mask and when I googled it – Halls of Monuments my friend….

The exclusivity is meant to entice you to purchase GW1.

There’s nothing wrong with this, especially considering that those items are vanity.

That mask clips really bad anyway. I wanted to use it from day 1 but clips horribly.. it is a waste.

Honestly the only thing that is not clipped on my characters is the full armor sets and the weapons- aside from the shield.

There are some cool gloves in there as well.. cant use them because of clipping.

The point is they should make a decent replacement for players that do not play GW1, a different mask or an eye-patch or something similar that will count as a satisfying replacement just like Jormag’s breath is for the Fiery Sword.

Why? Took me a few months to unlock them in gw1 I got it because I wanted them unlocked in this game like many many people did.

Also you can still unlock them if you really really want it. The mask is not hard to get unlocked.

jazzllanna.1278:

Why? Took me a few months to unlock them in gw1 I got it because I wanted them unlocked in this game like many many people did.

Also you can still unlock them if you really really want it. The mask is not hard to get unlocked.

Exactly my point. Why should I play a few months on a game that I do not enjoy to have something on an entirely different game that I want? That is not the correct way my friend.

spiffu.5769:

jazzllanna.1278:

Why? Took me a few months to unlock them in gw1 I got it because I wanted them unlocked in this game like many many people did.

Also you can still unlock them if you really really want it. The mask is not hard to get unlocked.

Exactly my point. Why should I play a few months on a game that I do not enjoy to have something on an entirely different game that I want? That is not the correct way my friend.

Then you do not deserve the item, it’s as simple as that. If you are not willing to invest the time (and $) to go after it then you will not have it.

The mask will heavily clip with almost everything, even the hairs mean clipping, are you sure you’d want it anyway?

Vol.5241:

spiffu.5769:

jazzllanna.1278:

Why? Took me a few months to unlock them in gw1 I got it because I wanted them unlocked in this game like many many people did.

Also you can still unlock them if you really really want it. The mask is not hard to get unlocked.

Exactly my point. Why should I play a few months on a game that I do not enjoy to have something on an entirely different game that I want? That is not the correct way my friend.

Then you do not deserve the item, it’s as simple as that. If you are not willing to invest the time (and $) to go after it then you will not have it.

And there is where the “reasonable substitute item” comes in. If I want a SPECIFIC item then yes, I should work for it and spend money and a lot of time on it. If I simply do NOT have the time to play a 2nd game for a specific item, I should be able to find a reasonable substitute that will satisfy my needs.

spiffu.5769:

jazzllanna.1278:

Why? Took me a few months to unlock them in gw1 I got it because I wanted them unlocked in this game like many many people did.

Also you can still unlock them if you really really want it. The mask is not hard to get unlocked.

Exactly my point. Why should I play a few months on a game that I do not enjoy to have something on an entirely different game that I want? That is not the correct way my friend.

yes it is. It is a reward for playing this games prequel. Lots of games do it. It is not new and it is a perfectly accepted thing. If you want to decide that society is wrong then it is up to you to convince 50% of more of the population so that in the future it will change. Seeing as you haven’t even convinced 1 person yet I think it is safe to say that you are not correct my friend.

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

spiffu.5769:

And there is where the “reasonable substitute item” comes in. If I want a SPECIFIC item then yes, I should work for it and spend money and a lot of time on it. If I simply do NOT have the time to play a 2nd game for a specific item, I should be able to find a reasonable substitute that will satisfy my needs.

You contradicted yourself.

Vol.5241:

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

You will still have the privilege to own the original item, which you can still say “you may have that but I still have this”. It’s the same as wanting a Ferrari, but you can afford a Porsche. You will still have a super-car but the guy with the Ferrari is still going to have a Ferrari.

spiffu.5769:

Vol.5241:

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

You will still have the privilege to own the original item, which you can still say “you may have that but I still have this”. It’s the same as wanting a Ferrari, but you can afford a Porsche. You will still have a super-car but the guy with the Ferrari is still going to have a Ferrari.

Wait…What?

You might want to stop while you’re behind.

There seems to be some confusion here. As others have pointed out, these items have been available as Hall of Monuments rewards since the game launched (both as PvE and PvP equipment). The only recent change was that they were finally assigned storage spots in the PvP locker.

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

Vol.5241:

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

You will still have the privilege to own the original item, which you can still say “you may have that but I still have this”. It’s the same as wanting a Ferrari, but you can afford a Porsche. You will still have a super-car but the guy with the Ferrari is still going to have a Ferrari.

Wait…What?

You might want to stop while you’re behind.

The principle is that people that do not have either the time or the desire to get a specific “special” item should be able to have a satisfying replacement. If you really want a SPECIFIC item then invest whatever you want into it, but to have a unique item that cannot be accessed in any other way is not fair to people that do not like or did not play GW1 but instead love GW2

I am not saying that they did this with everything in the Halls of Monuments – You have titles there – you have titles in current PvE without the Halls. You have the Fiery Sword – you have Jormag’s breath without the Halls. The mask however, is an example of a unique item that people cannot access in any other way than the Halls of Monuments.

spiffu.5769:

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

Vol.5241:

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

You will still have the privilege to own the original item, which you can still say “you may have that but I still have this”. It’s the same as wanting a Ferrari, but you can afford a Porsche. You will still have a super-car but the guy with the Ferrari is still going to have a Ferrari.

Wait…What?

You might want to stop while you’re behind.

The principle is that people that do not have either the time or the desire to get a specific “special” item should be able to have a satisfying replacement. If you really want a SPECIFIC item then invest whatever you want into it, but to have a unique item that cannot be accessed in any other way is not fair to people that do not like or did not play GW1 but instead love GW2

The problem is that you’re chasing your own tail. For example: Specific & Unique are Synonyms.

I want to say more but I feel as if I shouldn’t have to. Either that or it just won’t matter anyways. I wish you nothing but the best. Peace.

EDIT: And if all you want is a Heavy Mask via other means then make a suggestion for such a thing in the suggestions subforum…that’s about all you can do if you don’t want to go through the hoop that currently exists for such an item.

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

BioFringe.7945:

spiffu.5769:

Vol.5241:

Well if there was a reasonable substitute item, then how would those people who invested all that time working for it feel? I find the current system fair.

You will still have the privilege to own the original item, which you can still say “you may have that but I still have this”. It’s the same as wanting a Ferrari, but you can afford a Porsche. You will still have a super-car but the guy with the Ferrari is still going to have a Ferrari.

Wait…What?

You might want to stop while you’re behind.

The principle is that people that do not have either the time or the desire to get a specific “special” item should be able to have a satisfying replacement. If you really want a SPECIFIC item then invest whatever you want into it, but to have a unique item that cannot be accessed in any other way is not fair to people that do not like or did not play GW1 but instead love GW2

The problem is that you’re chasing your own tail. For example: Specific & Unique are Synonyms.

I want to say more but I feel as if I shouldn’t have to. Either that or it just won’t matter anyways. I wish you nothing but the best. Peace.

All the same friend, but Specific and Unique are not the same. A specific item has a similar item that can replace it, while the Unique item does not have anything remotely close to it.

I think we’re just going in circles and will have to agree to disagree.

I think it’s fair that there are items that are only accessible if you had an achievement in another game, especially considering that they are just vanity items. If you were to provide a different way to get the same item through GW2 then that just diminishes the exclusivity and sense of achievement

Vol.5241:

I think we’re just going in circles and will have to agree to disagree.

I think it’s fair that there are items that are only accessible if you had an achievement in another game, especially considering that they are just vanity items. If you were to provide a different way to get the same item through GW2 then that just diminishes the exclusivity and sense of achievement

I am not saying there shouldn’t be any rewards of that sort. I am saying that for every one of them, there should be a satisfying substitute for players that did not play GW1

I never played Eye of the North. Is there anther way to unlock these items within GW2?

I’ve seen the two chests in the Hall of Monuments, are they only for Eye of the North players to unlock in GW2?

I think the point is there are going to be unique rewards that are offered that you’re just not going to be able to get any other way. The Hall of Monuments rewards are an example for original Guild Wars players just as the miniature Rytlock minipet is for owner’s of the collector edition.

You may not appreciate it, but those Hall of Monument rewards are kind of a big deal (in terms of history). There was a lot of advertising and effort put behind them when they were first announced back in the original Guild Wars game years ago.. it took years for that system to get fleshed out, and earning them required no small amount of time/effort. I think people would rightfully freak if they suddenly just became available in other ways.

That said, I am in no way opposed to more skins being added to the game for everyone. Just not those particular skins.

This is a way of rewarding customer loyality and there is nothing wrong with it. Some other games have it. Retail outlets send discount coupons to previous customers in the real world. Airlines have frequent flyer programs. I never played GW1 but from the comments on this forum it seems to have been a very good game. Since I can unlock the items retroactively, I may get a copy and play it. Not just to get the items, but because I enjoy gaming.

Edge.4180:

I think the point is there are going to be unique rewards that are offered that you’re just not going to be able to get any other way. The Hall of Monuments rewards are an example for original Guild Wars players just as the miniature Rytlock minipet is for owner’s of the collector edition.

You may not appreciate it, but those Hall of Monument rewards are kind of a big deal. There was a lot of advertising and effort put behind them when they were first announced back in the original Guild Wars game years ago.. it took years for that system to get fleshed out, and earning them required no small amount of time/effort. I think people would rightfully freak if they suddenly just became available in other ways.

That said, I am in no way opposed to more skins being added to the game for everyone. Just not those particular skins.

That’s my point. The Rytlock pet is epic, but you can get another SUBSTITUTE pet if you don’t have access to the Halls of Monuments, you can have a different pet, but it’s still a PET… The mask is an example of an item that does not have an equivalent for players without access to the Halls of Monuments. You have particular skins in the Halls, I am not saying to put the same ones for everyone, but have something similar to it so you can improvise.

@spiffu.5769

The simple reason there isn’t a satisfying substitute for that mask is because it was clearly designed to be light-class specific, but they released it as a general skin, as you probably noticed already there’s plenty substitute-masks in the light armor category, just helms for heavy ones, this pretty much explains it.

The reason behind the fact that it is available to all classes is because you only unlock 2 items every X points in the Hall of Monuments, which makes class specific items pointless for those spending a lot of effort on GW1 only to unlock items that they wouldn’t equip in GW2.

Was the mask the only skin you wanted?

If so, then you should contribute to topics talking about different armor classes sharing skins.

Rfreak.6591:

@spiffu.5769

The simple reason there isn’t a satisfying substitute for that mask is because it was clearly designed to be light-class specific, but they released it as a general skin, as you probably noticed already there’s plenty substitute-masks in the light armor category, just helms for heavy ones, this pretty much explains it.

Was the mask the only skin you wanted?

If so, then you should contribute to topics talking about different armor classes sharing skins.

That is a suggestion I will follow Yes, my personal issue was with the mask and that I am a heavy-armor user.

spiffu.5769:

Edge.4180:

I think the point is there are going to be unique rewards that are offered that you’re just not going to be able to get any other way. The Hall of Monuments rewards are an example for original Guild Wars players just as the miniature Rytlock minipet is for owner’s of the collector edition.

You may not appreciate it, but those Hall of Monument rewards are kind of a big deal. There was a lot of advertising and effort put behind them when they were first announced back in the original Guild Wars game years ago.. it took years for that system to get fleshed out, and earning them required no small amount of time/effort. I think people would rightfully freak if they suddenly just became available in other ways.

That said, I am in no way opposed to more skins being added to the game for everyone. Just not those particular skins.

That’s my point. The Rytlock pet is epic, but you can get another SUBSTITUTE pet if you don’t have access to the Halls of Monuments, you can have a different pet, but it’s still a PET… The mask is an example of an item that does not have an equivalent for players without access to the Halls of Monuments. You have particular skins in the Halls, I am not saying to put the same ones for everyone, but have something similar to it so you can improvise.

I think you’re really stretching with your point here. I can just easily say you can always get another item for your head-slot. It does not have to be a head-slot item that looks like a mask, just as you’re telling me I can get another minipet.. even though I have no alternative for a minipet that looks like a tiny version of Rytlock wielding Sohothin.

Edge.4180:

spiffu.5769:

Edge.4180:

I think the point is there are going to be unique rewards that are offered that you’re just not going to be able to get any other way. The Hall of Monuments rewards are an example for original Guild Wars players just as the miniature Rytlock minipet is for owner’s of the collector edition.

You may not appreciate it, but those Hall of Monument rewards are kind of a big deal. There was a lot of advertising and effort put behind them when they were first announced back in the original Guild Wars game years ago.. it took years for that system to get fleshed out, and earning them required no small amount of time/effort. I think people would rightfully freak if they suddenly just became available in other ways.

That said, I am in no way opposed to more skins being added to the game for everyone. Just not those particular skins.

That’s my point. The Rytlock pet is epic, but you can get another SUBSTITUTE pet if you don’t have access to the Halls of Monuments, you can have a different pet, but it’s still a PET… The mask is an example of an item that does not have an equivalent for players without access to the Halls of Monuments. You have particular skins in the Halls, I am not saying to put the same ones for everyone, but have something similar to it so you can improvise.

I think you’re really stretching with your point here. I can just easily say you can always get another item for your head-slot. It does not have to be a head-slot item that looks like a mask, just as you’re telling me I can get another minipet.. even though I have no alternative for a minipet that looks like a tiny version of Rytlock wielding Sohothin.

Yes you do, you can either have the prince of balthasar, which is a small dude on two legs with pointy gear and a sword or a flame shaman if you want a mini charr… I don’t want this specific mask, but something that I can use in the same way as I would use a mask… there is a big difference between a mask and a helm just like there is between Rytlock and a pet Imp for example.

@spiffu.5769

It really is an armor-class skin issue (just so you notice I edited my previous post explaining why those items are available to all classes)

I think the topic should be closed as the discussion is either over or not going anywhere (and the title is a bit misleading), just switch to the topic I suggested (not trying to be rude eh, I’m a fan of skin-sharing too… lots of possibilities…).

spiffu.5769:

Yes you do, you can either have the prince of balthasar, which is a small dude on two legs with pointy gear and a sword or a flame shaman if you want a mini charr… I don’t want this specific mask, but something that I can use in the same way as I would use a mask… there is a big difference between a mask and a helm just like there is between Rytlock and a pet Imp for example.

There are any number of head-slot items that will obscure your face like that mask. I don’t see the problem.

And if that above statement was frustrating for you to read, that’s pretty much how your statement about minipets is coming across to someone who obviously cares a bit more about the minipet portion of this game than you. A pet imp or a flame shaman is no Rytlock. Don’t start suggesting all Charr look the same, heh.

Edge.4180:

spiffu.5769:

Yes you do, you can either have the prince of balthasar, which is a small dude on two legs with pointy gear and a sword or a flame shaman if you want a mini charr… I don’t want this specific mask, but something that I can use in the same way as I would use a mask… there is a big difference between a mask and a helm just like there is between Rytlock and a pet Imp for example.

There are any number of head-slot items that will obscure your face like that mask. I don’t see the problem.

And if that above statement was frustrating for you to read, that’s pretty much how your statement about minipets is coming across to someone who obviously cares a bit more about the minipet portion of this game than you. A pet imp or a flame shaman is no Rytlock. Don’t start suggesting all Charr look the same, heh.

Ofc not ^^ and no comments are frustrating to read, feedback is always good But a Flameshaman is a charr which makes it a suitable substitute replacement that’s my point

The mask isn’t new. My guardian had been using it since day 1.

Though if they add more variety to headgears it’ll be nice. More intricate ornaments instead of helmets for heavy, masks for light.. my Mesmer still uses the necro starter face markings and I found no better substitude. Really disappointed about headgears in game.