Guild Wars 2

Currently, the cost of purchasing the recipes alone for a set of ascended heavy Zealot’s armor on the TP is over 2000G. Please add in the recipes to become obtainable some other way as that is too rare for a stat combination and absurd.

You can get zealot’s armor pieces from the raiders chests that drop inside fractals of the mists.

I dropped a raider’s chest of ascended leggings yesterday. Actually, most of my ascended come from FotM.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Keeper-Zealot-Gear/first#post4960094

I know, I bought them anyways. You’ll lose only about a legendaries worth.If A-net wants to change it and make the recipes free, just this remark: Ask the devs to send me bolt and I’ll be all for it. I’ll be happy with zap as well.

Zealots is still a niche, and most -meta- ppl will kick you when they notice it isn’t zerk. It only has use if you run a dedicated healer build and if not it’s useless. Oh and dedicated healers are not meta…

I have a zealot ele though, a zealot guardian, a zealot necro. Atm all with exotic armors whioch are ~80 gold to make, instead of the 2500 gold you’ll need for ascneded.

I unlocked all classes of armor and am tempted to make the light one, but I’m held back by the coming expansion. Zealot loses 35-40% DPS in favor of healing, and the healing only works for groups IMHO, not for self, as the scaling on self is mediocre, even on guardian.

Maybe you should wait and see what will be new in HoT, maybe it will be avbail;able from vendors… like zojja is now.

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

RapidSausage.4620:

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

Yes if you are not a casual

The power of supply and demand.

RapidSausage.4620:

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

No. Most of the ascended sets are much cheaper.

Andred.1087:

RapidSausage.4620:

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

No. Most of the ascended sets are much cheaper.

yes i know that, but 5% to stats isn’t that massive if you take the importance of skill in this game.

To me, ascended gear is for the elitist members of GW2, and if you’re mainly a WvWer like me and rarely do any pve, you don’t have the luxury of making ascended gear or gold as easily as fractal runners anyway.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Keeper-Zealot-Gear/first#post4960094

I know, I bought them anyways. You’ll lose only about a legendaries worth.If A-net wants to change it and make the recipes free, just this remark: Ask the devs to send me bolt and I’ll be all for it. I’ll be happy with zap as well.

Zealots is still a niche, and most -meta- ppl will kick you when they notice it isn’t zerk. It only has use if you run a dedicated healer build and if not it’s useless. Oh and dedicated healers are not meta…

I have a zealot ele though, a zealot guardian, a zealot necro. Atm all with exotic armors whioch are ~80 gold to make, instead of the 2500 gold you’ll need for ascneded.

I unlocked all classes of armor and am tempted to make the light one, but I’m held back by the coming expansion. Zealot loses 35-40% DPS in favor of healing, and the healing only works for groups IMHO, not for self, as the scaling on self is mediocre, even on guardian.

Maybe you should wait and see what will be new in HoT, maybe it will be avbail;able from vendors… like zojja is now.

It loses 15% DPS in favor of 50% healing actually. The healing power you get from traits isn’t part of zealot per se, and a reduction of 30% critdmg is a reduction of 15% DPS when your critdmg is around 200%. It’s also more for group purposes since the effective sustained heal you get is heal per second * %damage reduction, and for selfhealing, each point of toughness amps %damage reduction proportionally more than healing power amps heal per second.

Only staff eles with the outgoing healing trait and guardians with at least 4 sources of AoE heal really use Zealot well, and only for high fractal/WvW content. In most other cases it’s better to run berserker/assassin instead.

Regardless of whether it is meta or effective, nobody can afford to make it currently, unless they have more dollars than sense, so it’s just theory crafting.

Oh yeah, you can’t get ascended trinkets in Zealot either?

But yeah, I would love to craft a set for my guard.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Regardless of whether it is meta or effective, nobody can afford to make it currently, unless they have more dollars than sense, so it’s just theory crafting.

Oh yeah, you can’t get ascended trinkets in Zealot either?

But yeah, I would love to craft a set for my guard.

I think we can all agree that this is not meta or even effective. With active defense such as dodge, aegis, and invulns, there is no need to heal if you can mitigate all damage with those skills and a bit of situation awareness.

TL;DR;
2k for Zealots recipes is a waste of gold.

Heal, group aegis, weakness, AoE protection, projectile reflection, AoE condition cleanses, AoE resurrections and aggro redirection are ways of carrying teammates incapable of keeping themselves alive. Direct healing tends to be one of the weakest of these roles, but it doesn’t have a zero value.

The vast majority of people must be carried. Either you carry them, or you run with groups that don’t contain them. There really isn’t any way around this.

P.S. 2k for Zealot’s recipes is a waste of gold.

Also crafted a chest for my guard today… still rediculously expensive….

And it maybe expensive It is infusable, my rings are not due to the lack of Zealot stat (keepers) trinkets, SO I need my armor and back to take the place for fractals, or slot zerker…

It works for D/F and Staff Transfusion Well/Mark Necromancer (WvW) (3/0/5/4/4) and
If you want it also works for D/F & A/W (or staff) Vampiric Necro build, which functions perfectly with wells and will stay alive when facetanking champions…(4/2/0/4/4)
I like it as a M/F & Hammer Heal/Protection Guard (PvE/Fractals, l80 exp) (2/0/5/ 6/10, and of course for Staff Water Ele (Support) (0/2/0/6/6), with monk runes, aquatic benevolence, sigil of benevolence and delicious riceballs for +70% allied healing… Wherever you like decent heals…

Hayashi.3416:

Heal, group aegis, weakness, AoE protection, projectile reflection, AoE condition cleanses, AoE resurrections and aggro redirection are ways of carrying teammates incapable of keeping themselves alive. Direct healing tends to be one of the weakest of these roles, but it doesn’t have a zero value.

The vast majority of people must be carried. Either you carry them, or you run with groups that don’t contain them. There really isn’t any way around this.

P.S. 2k for Zealot’s recipes is a waste of gold.

its for a new playstyle, basically glass healer. Id like to try it for a vampire style playstyle.

yeah its ineffecient, but might be fun to play. Ill never find out though, because the costs are too high for a test.

Exotic armor recipe’s are cheap though I think the box armor recipe is only 1 or 2 gold max…. combine it with a exotic staff andd you’re good to go. you caan use normal zerker trinkets at first, or make the exotic rings if you like it. watchwork mechanisms are about 8-9 gold (6 for boxed armor, 1 for each weapon so say when you need 10 you’ll pay 80-90 gold for basic stats.), a ring/amulet/earring costs about 13.5 gold to make in sprockets until we finally get the ascended versions… wich are way too late for comfort….

Of course making this expensive exotic set (in the end you should be armound 100 gold for the set including recipes with jewelry you’d be looking at 175 gold)….. is way better then paying 2750 gold for the asceded recipes and then actually make them…. without ascneded jewelry…

yes this means the exotic armour costs 250% of a zerk armor and the trinkets about 400 or 500% of exotic ruby jewels… Which is expensive…

Who knows we’ll find some sprocket generators in some old scarlet history rich area’s…

It would have been a nice thing to have found some in Dry Top… or at the old marionette site or at the aetherblade fractals/ JP / TA path, maybe even on the end of Mai Trin boss fractal, in one of those ships….

Yes, 2k for recipes is a waste of gold. Hence the thread.

Just make a different set of armor with better stats….?

*I already have all 6 classes I play in PvE with Zerk stats… *

When having 15 characters you do not make 2 or 3 zerker warriors…
There is no point doing so…Likewise you are not going to make a second zerk staff Ele or a second zerk Necro, or Ranger or Guardian… So you will look on.

Ppl with just 1 character… wouldn’t understand,
Most ppl with 5 characters wouldn’t understand,
Ppl with more then 8 characters WOULD understand, maybe…

So I have :

3 (2 main) Warriors (zerk, cavaliers(D,M); rabid ,sinister(D,W,M,P); soldiers, zealot(W))
3 (1 main) Necro’s (sinister, zerk (D,M); zealots, clerics (A,W); rabid (W))
3 (1 main) rangers (zerk,soldier (D,W,M); sinister(A); rabid (W))
2 (1 main) ele’s (zerk,celestial(D,M); zealot (A))
2 (1 main)guards (zerk, zealot(D,M); clerics, nomads(W))
1 (1 main) thief (valkyrie/zerk, sinister(A,M))
1 (1 main) mesmer (rabid, sinister(A,M))

bold armors of main
italic fully or partially ascneded armor
(D) dungeons, (A) alt(ernate) (W) WvW, (P) Personal favorite,(M) map completion

ALL mains have ascended or better weapons, except for my main necro.
Most alts have ascneded weapons as well,
Most characters except for the zealots carriers have ascneded trinkets as well… most zealot carriers have a zerk trinket set.

I deleted:

1 mesmer (zerk) hated the gameplay and I hated the asura. 1 yr old ~43 hours
1 engineer (zerk, rampager) Well this was the class I looked forward to the most. He got 2 sets of armor, and when he got his 2nd birthday gift I deleted this asura. ~42 hours played.

My account is now 6000+ hours… I play 5 sylvari, 4 humans, 3 norn and 3 charr.
In the end a wider range of characters allows for more trials…and allows for a wide range of uses… I run DPS, healers, support, conditions, DPS/Condi hybrids, and on…

Zerk Meta is just the point where it starts, and maybe meta’s will shift. DPS is king atm, that’s why zerk is Meta, and other meta’s might rise to push this one away, and they’ll be pushed as well.

just mix in a few cleric armor. Dont’ think it’ll make much difference.

There’s some hint Twisted Marionette might be brought back as guild events in the future. With some luck, maybe it’ll be back that time.

gotta love how a simple request to obtain a stat combo derailed into another meta discussion thread.

oh what the hey, the thread is already completely derailed.

so anyone ready for MKX coming out in less than a week? mileena is my waifu

#killthezerkermeta2015

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

I already have all 6 classes I play in PvE with Zerk stats…
When having 15 characters you do not make 2 or 3 zerker warriors…
There is no point doing so..
Likewise you are not going to make a second zerk staff Ele
Or a second zerk Necro, or Ranger or Guardian… So you will look on.

Ppl with just 1 character… wouldn’t understand,
Most ppl with 5 characters wouldn’t understand,
Ppl with more then 8 characters WOULD understand.

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So I have x class with (armors)
3 (2 main) Warriors (zerk, cavaliers(D); rabid ,sinister(A,P); soldiers, zealot(W))
3 (1 main) Necro’s (sinister, zerk (D); zealots, clerics (A); rabid (W))
3 (1 main) rangers (zerk (D); sinister(A); rabid (W))
2 (1 main) ele’s (zerk,celestial(D); zealot (A))
2 (1 main)guards (zerk, zealot(D); clerics, nomads(W))
1 (1 main) thief (valkyrie/zerk, sinister(A))
1 (1 main) mesmer (rabid, sinister(A))

bold armors of main
italic fully or partially ascneded armor
(D) dungeons
(A) all content
(W) WvW
(P) Personal favorite
ALL mains have ascended or better weapons, except for my main necro.
MOST alts have ascneded weapons as well,
most characters except for the zealots carriers have ascneded trinkets as well… most zealot carriers have a zerk trinket set.

I deleted:
1 mesmer (zerk) hated the gameplay and I hated the asura. 1 yr old ~43 hours
1 engineer (zerk, rampager) Well this was the class I looked forward to the most. He got 2 sets of armor, and when he got his 2nd birthday gift I deleted this asura. ~42 hours played.

My account is now 6000+ hours… I play 5 sylvari, 4 humans, 3 norn and 3 charr.
In the end a wider range of characters allows for more trials…and allows for a wide range of uses… I run DPS, healers, support, conditions, DPS/Condi hybrids, and on…

Zerk Meta is just the point where it starts.

Sheesh thats a long list. Actually i have made and leveled to 80 15 different characters but atm only have 8 and i dont understand, but thats because i make new alts for different looks (im a casual fashion wars player :p).

The question i have is what exactly does the zealot’s armor give you that other stat’s don’t? Actually i agree they should make the recipe buyable from the vendor since they should stop limiting stat combos (please release ascended assassins pieces!!), but what exactly makes zealots useful. I always thought healing power sucked, but even if it doesnt can’t you achieve basically a similar stat combination by mixing pieces?

Edit: didn’t see laokoko’s post xD but yeah is there a need for zealots over clerics and zerk?

Zealot meditation guardians are for the most part god mode in WvW roaming

I could also imagine high healing battle presence in zealots gear would probably get some really awesome use while still outputting admirable damage when considering the amount of group healing you’re also putting out.

min maxing aside, I can see it just being fun to play around with.

well

Zealots brings Power(main), precision, healing
Clerics brings Healing (main) power, toughnes

I prefer a power and precision so I can damage and crit. crits can be very valuable you can get vigor on crit with ele… and the arcane trait line allows for a healing spell on dodge actually doing dmg as well….and removing a condition. I run a mace/focus/hammer on zealot guardian, It is squishy but can block, dodge on heal buff well, has healing on symbols, vulnerability on symbols and does 2-3k hits with mace… You need to be on your guard constantly, and I’m limited to 6 might (or 18 with hotswap) Oh and zealot necro is quite sustainable in Wvw you can walk your transfusion right into enemy zergs, staff 2 provides heal, vampiric traits heal, focus 4 heal, your wells when placed right do heal well… transfusion?

clerics brings power as a minor stat and no crit chance .. though healing is quite a lot higher (~400 points, the toughness pulls a lot of aggro.. I use a nomads/clerics guardian in fractals mace/shield and staff healer vs mai trin… it has 1860 power and 3350 armor wit an added 150 from IV strength in numbers… leaving me able to eat her dmg while ressing ppl, occasionally using a shout to clean but higher dps then 1000-1200 on mace is rare even with 10 stacks of might

I just use 30% dodge food and sigil of energy if I really need it.

If you run fractal that much you should be able to get a few pieces. Complete the set become a problem though. I think some pieces drop less than others. I got a bunch of gloves, but chest is hard to find.

I hope Anet release the recipe again. Since I dont’ think a stats combo should be that expensive.

RapidSausage.4620:

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

No it isn’t.

RapidSausage.4620:

Andred.1087:

RapidSausage.4620:

is it really worth all that gold just for a 5% increase in total stats???

No. Most of the ascended sets are much cheaper.

yes i know that, but 5% to stats isn’t that massive if you take the importance of skill in this game.

To me, ascended gear is for the elitist members of GW2, and if you’re mainly a WvWer like me and rarely do any pve, you don’t have the luxury of making ascended gear or gold as easily as fractal runners anyway.

I just finished my first set of ascended armor and second ascended weapon. For me, it had nothing to do with the stats. I enjoyed the process of collecting materials and gradually completing each piece. It was about accomplishing a goal I set for myself in-game. It also helped keep me invested and entertained in-game. I’d log in, and if my guildies weren’t doing anything particular, or if there weren’t many on, I’d let my ascended crafting direct my gameplay. If I needed t5 mats (silk/leather/ore), I’d hop on an alt and do some exploration and farming. If I needed empyreal fragments, I’d do WvW or EotM.

Ascended gear isn’t just for elitists who “must” have best in slot at all costs; it’s also for the completionists who want to experience every aspect of the game they can, even the more expensive or time consuming, or for those who just enjoy the process of gathering and crafting and are in no hurry to have everything now. There are many different reasons different people might choose to craft ascended gear.

Well coming to that point why you would want a specific stat:

Cause it works for me… That’s why… I love my Sinister S/S LB warrior in PvE, because it is different to play compared to mace 4, axe2, GS 2, Gs 3, gs auto, Gs 2, GS3 axe 2, mace 4 , Eviscerate….

Why zealot ele? because I know zerk ele, and I know celestial ele, which was better before nerf but still very interesting…. zealot allows me to focus on support, waters + blasts, sandstorm, rock line (earth 4), static fields and blasts waymore then my dungeon meta fire DPS/ icebow ele… It retains much more DPS then celestial ele, and it gets less aggro.

Dmg isn’t comparable with the DPS in no way but we ran 3 ele’s a newb thief and a mesmer through AC yesterday, 2 other ele’s 1 dps D/D 1 dps S/F and 1 staff support. The thief was nice guy , but had no real clue about dungeons, he said he was PvP thief, but didn’t know the SR, nor other invisibility tricks. Mesmer was very experienced and a very good support mesmer. we facetanked the bosses with no downeds, except 1 fail at spider due to the gargoyes still being up and the thief pulling the spider before the group was complete got the spider to 5%and wiped which was a big lol cause we were unbuffed, there were 3 unused icebows lying around showing use we reacted way to panicked and the second attempt we killed it very fast… healing is a stack of many things, during kohler you can cast healing rain during prespin telegraph and dodge out, cast geyser and blast and continue staff attacks, keeping all zerk ele’s alive, and the thief as well, mostly

I do not need ascended gear for AC, but I also like CoE where it would matter and WvW, where water ele’s are very valueable keeping rams up…

Zealot warrior was a try out which was not very powerfull though… my first warrior direcly after release had a clerics armor, it ran shout heal with troopers.. It was a GS warrior with axe warhorn…. though fun to play it was eaten by the meta, now being my main zerk warrior, with a secondary cavalier armor. I tried to rework the build on my 3rd warrior now with a glass build and though it works it is not very versatile to play, mostly due to the fact it is unable to choose PS due to Vigorous Shouts, making it an ?/warhorn build, with a secondary… mace set, hammer or rifle (0,2,3,6,3 or 0,0,5,6,3) which is too tanky for pve and too squishy for WvW….

Zealot necro was a strange experience. It can heal a LOT. Especially with runes of dwayna (which will extend regen, available from dodge trait, staff 2, focus 4 and heal skill due to runes,Well heal is an AOE heal, with pulsing, transfusion will help and vampirc scales with healing as well…)… it can protect ppl and is generally a good support character though it lacks stability.

The price of Zealot armor is just half of the problem.

There is currently no way of obtaining ZEALOT TRINKETS.

I believe that should be looked into

Skady.5916:

The price of Zealot armor is just half of the problem.

There is currently no way of obtaining ZEALOT TRINKETS.

I believe that should be looked into

+1 (though I said it a couple of times before… in quite a few threads.)

They set drop rates for scarlet’s armies considering that you would be killing them by the thousands in the events that spawned countless of them.

But then they removed them.

There’s some remnants of those armies, but I highly doubt they still drop those items.

So now many of those items have no source, or very reduced sources that people avoid, like the Aetherblade path.

The result is prices getting insane.

This happens when you don’t think ahead of things and don’t leave permanent stuff.

Same with the sigil of generosity. No recipe, produced only ONCE for two weeks one year, and never again…

What were they thinking?

Marionette would make a cool Fractal lvl 60 – kinda hard to solo each lane but it’s a lvl 60 Fractal so it sholdn’t be easy ;-)

Bump.

Perhaps they could look at adding these recipes back into HoT?