Please make it so anyone with the mentor tag loses all ability to attack. no skills/utils at all.
Then they can only use it for the intended purpose, to help players.
I was glad we had a bunch of people with mentor tags(again) on my verdant brink map, we only had two commanders(Me and someone else) and those mentors tagged up and got us on track enough to just barely get a tier 4 night completion tonight.
I dont see a problem with them at all. (Despite the one troll we had show up for a few minutes). And yes, those mentors where also explaining the events as they went to the players around them, quite a few who i swear had never done the map before.
The pvp community reminds me of what Obi-kittenenobi describes Mos Eisley as from star wars.
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Everything I say is only in reference to PvE and WvW.
I don’t understand, why so much salt regarding Mentor tags?
A lot of people that payed 300 gold for a Commander tag now cry because we get the Mentor Tag with minimum effort.
Minimum effort in this case is… Getting a char to 80. Then playing the game enough to get at least one mastery point then playing the game enough to fill out the first pact commander mastery line
Versus
Pulling out your wallet and buying enough gold for a commander tag
I’m not so sure that the mentor tag is the one that’s actually less effort.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Not to mention the fact that the Commander Tag used to be only 100g until Anet upped the cost on it. Plus the fact that Commander Tags can have their colour changed on the fly for discernability whereas mentor tags are all red apples.
I have both, and TBH, I’d use a commander tag above a mentor tag, I can see the mentor tag having it’s uses but: It can be abused, same for commander tags.
Also the amount of people flying mentor cause they have it is remarkebly low, maybe cause asking questions when flying a mentor tag gets you some really nice answers….
I saw one person carrying mentor asking something and someone else replying: You’re the mentor, you might want to explain it to yourself!
Differences between commander/mentor:
Comander tag:
4 colors
Squad chat channel
makes use of the party system, soon to be expanded (managing squads up to 50 ppl)
dedicated commands (/supplyinfo, /squadinfo )
available to ppl with 300 gold and some wvw tokens.
generally used in big events and WvW, colors have more meaning then just being a tag, if WvW servers are using this, often a protocol exists on the server (When I was on SFR, blue was open zerg, yellow was scouts (for keeps and zergs) red were guild groups, purple were focus groups, and havoc squads…. this allowed for a easy tactical view of the battefield.)
In silverwastes commander tags were linked to their respective forts…. often for other big scale events multiple color tags are used
A Commander will coordinate (teams will coexist in squads) and commanders have acces to smaller groups and in time these smaller groups will get to be more important then mass zergs.. In a lot of cases zerg scaling makes completing events a problem already in PvE… understand a zerg will kill smaller groups but splitting your zerg in 4 or 5 groups will mean you can strike 5 targets while a zerg can be only in 1 place. (multiple 5-10 man Havocs vs 1 25-50 man Zerg)
Mentor tag
1 type
Only a mark on the screen
Using a mentor tag can have people asking you to explain, take your time doing it… A mentor is a teacher… If you do not want to: Do not tag up. For you there are hundreds of other lvl 80’s with rank 1 pact commander.
no further functionality, availale to people for becoming lvl 80 and doing 15 minutes o cof farm.
using teams will ask good communication and coordination, the tag will not provide means for this
A mentor could coordinate but doesn’t have the tools, in effect mentor tags are nothing but a mobile signpost/information poles.
For both types
Use tags responsibly, you’ll have players trying to find you hoping to get structured efficiently ran events, information, and other signs of organisation.
If you commit to using it: see it through, I really hate people tagging up and disbanding on first signs of trouble, or being 5 minutes in and saying Oh my dinner is finished… leaving dozens of players abandoned
I understand people are not machines and do not know everything, but learning stuff before tagging is a good approach… make sure you have a idea what should happen. did Dragon stand 2 days ago with a commander who didn’t know the events in 1 lane… If you tag up people look towards you for advice and in case of big scale events other roups in this case other lanes will give you hell for doing stuff inefficient or actually not doing your job…. Unfortunately I never ran the lane before as well…
Expect critisism. This can be positive and negative, expect both.
I think most of these should be selfexplaining pieces of info….
Most peope really want to be of help. I’ll happily follow a mentor in any event…
23 lvl 80’s, 9 times map, 4ele, 4ncr, 3war, 3grd, 3rgr, 2thf, 2msm, 1eng, 1 rev.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
I think someone is kitten because he bought commander tag through gem exchange and is having to share his perceived… glory? with everyone else. Get over it. At this point everyone who has played the game since launch.. well.. even for 6 months. Has a commanders tag. You’re not unique. And the mentor tags aren’t hurting anything.
But in any case. I do think the tag should be a higher mastery unlock.
I don’t mind the mentor tags, except when you get to a world boss, and theres 15-20 of them up. seriously, even a WB that has a few pres only needs one at each pre event. then we all get to the Boss and they all still have the tags up, again, 15-20 of them. a little overkill.
This thread is a suggestion to Anet on how to make the mentor tag be used as intended. To have it used as Anet wanted, that’s all.
So many of you get on a high horse over nothing. The only entitled people are those of you in here who use a mentor tag as a free tag and don’t want it taken away.
I’ve never had over 50g and personally don’t own a tag. I’m just a newer player who sees how good it would be to have mentor tags used correctly. If you’re using it as a mentor the lack of skills and utils wouldn’t be an issue.
I don’t mind the mentor tags, except when you get to a world boss, and theres 15-20 of them up. seriously, even a WB that has a few pres only needs one at each pre event. then we all get to the Boss and they all still have the tags up, again, 15-20 of them. a little overkill.
You mean like karka queen when everyone and their dog put on commander tag?
What you’re suggesting is not a fix though. It is basically a punishment for people who decide to tag up to help. And that most certainly is NOT what anet intended with the tag.
Also, to not want to get something taken away is not entitlement, it’s perfectly normal (besides I don’t see anyone in this thread saying that). I’m sure you wouldn’t want to get your 50g taken away either. Same thing
This thread is a suggestion to Anet on how to make the mentor tag be used as intended. To have it used as Anet wanted, that’s all.
So many of you get on a high horse over nothing. The only entitled people are those of you in here who use a mentor tag as a free tag and don’t want it taken away.
I’ve never had over 50g and personally don’t own a tag. I’m just a newer player who sees how good it would be to have mentor tags used correctly. If you’re using it as a mentor the lack of skills and utils wouldn’t be an issue.
Oh but you know some like to mentor people while doing events with them not be a living question board.
And the doing events with people while answering questions and teaching them was what the mentor tag was suposed to do so it is working as intended. (just becosue some people abuse it dont mean you should destroy it for everyone)
Personaly used it in mad kings lab to organise people for door shuting, got a this mentor to fast complaint and afew thanks for hearding people around when I taged down after finishing my gaming session.
Edit
Can you give me and everyone else a paycheck by in game gold for being mentors, if you personaly cant then stop complaining that people can mentor and still play the game and gain stuff from it.
And if implemented expect the same to be done for commander tags aswell its a tag they are there to explain to people what to do, they will ofcourse be able to use skills and stuff in wvw and raids but no were else.
How is someone supposed to show anyone how to fight a battle if they can’t participate in it because their skills are disabled? This seems counterproductive. Or perhaps OP just doesn’t understand what Mentors do.
The problem with a mentor tag is it does not tell you if the person is a mentor, a commander, or just is using it as a vanity tag. I do both mentoring and commanding and it always makes me cringe that a new person may whisper a question to someone with a mentor tag and get yelled at or given purposefully bad advice. Which is why I use a commander tag to mentor, there are so many mentor tags on the map I do not want to give the impression mentor tag=mentor.
True, many commander tags are not commanding. They have a longer history though so most people with one (although by no means all) no when they should use it and when not to use it. Usually the people who see them all the time are not new people though so they realize not everyone with a commander tag will help them.
Those of us who mentor have been asking for a mentor tag for ages. This was implemented badly though.
I would suggest having mentor tag have a ‘cost’ to show you are committed to having one. Whether that is time, xp, whatever. Having it at level one of pact commander is ridiculous as practically every 80 who bought HOT has one. At least educate people on when to tag up and when not too.
I lost count how many I saw in Caledon this morning (including a bunch of afk people wearing it at the dungeon entrance) but I was the only person actually giving tips in /map and telling people they could contact me with game questions.
It’s interesting that the people who are so keen to fix a tag that you get by playing the game never seem to add in a fix for a tag that you buy. Why is that I wonder? Why does a tag earned by playing require all these threads to fix it and never a thread to fix the bought and paid for tag?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Personaly used it in mad kings lab to organise people for door shuting, got a this mentor to fast complaint and afew thanks for hearding people around when I taged down after finishing my gaming session.
I see nothing wrong with a mentor tag leading, especially in an event where you do not have many low level people anyway. I do have a problem if you were to have multiple people in the labyrinth tagging up just because they could, which I am seeing all over now (not sure why some people never see it but others do all the time), as then you could not tell where the zerg was.
Typically when I was in the lab and there was no tag I /map chatted to ask if I should tag up and waited before I did so. Almost always the answer was yes. I was using a commander tag but a mentor tag would have done if no commander tags were there.
It’s interesting that the people who are so keen to fix a tag that you get by playing the game never seem to add in a fix for a tag that you buy. Why is that I wonder? Why does a tag earned by playing require all these threads to fix it and never a thread to fix the bought and paid for tag?
I do not have any links but I have been told there was all sorts of forum drama when the commander tags were introduced.
It’s interesting that the people who are so keen to fix a tag that you get by playing the game never seem to add in a fix for a tag that you buy. Why is that I wonder? Why does a tag earned by playing require all these threads to fix it and never a thread to fix the bought and paid for tag?
I do not have any links but I have been told there was all sorts of forum drama when the commander tags were introduced.
Oh, I know there was and for exactly the same reasons. People were putting up commander tags to show them off. Cities had multiple tags showing and clueless commanders were leading events. Multiple threads were made to “fix” the commander tag “problem”.
And guess what happened. Time passed. The commander tags were no longer new and no longer put up for vanity reasons. No fix whatsoever was needed. Just like no fix is needed for these new tags. Time will pass and they will no longer be new. At that point the only people who put them up will the either the real mentors, or the terminally clueless.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
The problem with a mentor tag is it does not tell you if the person is a mentor, a commander, or just is using it as a vanity tag.
Nor does a Commander tag tell you anything other than that that person once had at least 100 gold.
These tags will be what we, the community, make of them. I see no reason nor any need for Anet to step in.
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Everything I say is only in reference to PvE and WvW.
The problem with a mentor tag is it does not tell you if the person is a mentor, a commander, or just is using it as a vanity tag.
Nor does a Commander tag tell you anything other than that that person once had at least 100 gold.
These tags will be what we, the community, make of them. I see no reason nor any need for Anet to step in.
The commander tags have been around longer. People are less apt to abuse them. You will always have the people who completely ignore any social convention though.
As is right now you actually need to put in an effort to get a commander tag. Yes, it is minimal but you do not wake up one day with a tag. Meanwhile with mentor tags the track to get one is selected by default if you bought HOT and you will get one quickly for playing in central tyria as an 80. Most of the people will want to do the mastery line anyway to get autoloot so the tag is just a freebie for them.
I am not sure what the best solution to mentor tags would have been but this is not it. Those of us who mentor have been asking for mentor-specific tags for awhile but the idea was they would not be essentially granted automatically without even ASKING for them.
There is plenty of precedent for things dying down. There is also precedent for the opposite. You should hope for the best but plan for the worst. Right now we are not seeing that plan or even agreement on a good way to implement it.
Effort: I whip my credit card out and buy money for a tag, so much effort. Since i get AP from doing random walking about in PVE i have over 3000 of the battle tokens, no effort involved.
Mentor tags actually take more effort, not for players who have played for a few years and bought HOT (Cant do masteries if you dont own it afterall), but if a new player decided to go after one, they have to get 80 first. For a new player that /could/ take awhile, if they make it at all.
The pvp community reminds me of what Obi-kittenenobi describes Mos Eisley as from star wars.
I can agree that tagging up just to show off is stupid, and people shouldn’t do it, but that hardly means anything is wrong with the tags. As someone who saw some really, really terrible commanders leading labyrinths during the Halloween event(I seriously think some of them didn’t even realize that they were supposed to be checking the map for doors and were just going in random circles) I hardly think the bar is set terribly high. I used my shiny new mentor tag to lead labyrinth groups as well, something I’d never have been able to do without it since I’ve been completely unwilling to farm 300 gold and then throw it away for a commander tag.
I remember when commander tags came out and Queensdale had so many tags running around that it was a joke. People will get over the novelty soon enough. Mentor tags are just fine as they are, and don’t need fixing.
All morons hate it when you call them a moron. – J. D. Salinger
I completely disagree. I want to see new people helped, not getting a ‘what the kitten are you doing? stop bothering me’ reply when they whisper to someone with a mentor tag. Or worse, someone more clueless than them so they get bad advice.
Yes, I bought a commander tag a few months before this. Initially to ONLY mentor but now I have started organizing events as well. If anyone should be upset at essentially free tags when I paid 300G to do the same puppy thing it would be me. I am not upset I paid 300G though. I am upset because I see people constantly abusing their tag and how that will impact people who ask them for advice. I feel the same way about people abusing the commander tag but they usually are not doing so in low-level areas (so people know some others do that).
I completely disagree. I want to see new people helped, not getting a ‘what the kitten are you doing? stop bothering me’ reply when they whisper to someone with a mentor tag. Or worse, someone more clueless than them so they get bad advice.
Yes, I bought a commander tag a few months before this. Initially to ONLY mentor but now I have started organizing events as well. If anyone should be upset at essentially free tags when I paid 300G to do the same puppy thing it would be me. I am not upset I paid 300G though. I am upset because I see people constantly abusing their tag and how that will impact people who ask them for advice. I feel the same way about people abusing the commander tag but they usually are not doing so in low-level areas (so people know some others do that).
If it’s a whisper, how do you know what the answer is or how often people who have a mentor tag are saying ‘what the kitten are you doing? stop bothering me’ when someone whispers them a question?
Is this a real problem or something you heard of once and now your making out like its frequent.
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ANet may give it to you.
There is plenty of precedent for things dying down. There is also precedent for the opposite. You should hope for the best but plan for the worst. Right now we are not seeing that plan or even agreement on a good way to implement it.
I don’t see any evidence that Mentor tags are en masse being misused. As far as I can tell, people seem to be using them to help organize in PvE, which is fine as far as I’m concerned.
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Everything I say is only in reference to PvE and WvW.
Question, how does a Mentor tag on the minimap and an apple above the head of someone help?
It doesn’t help.
Being a Mentor is about helping people and not about showing off an icon which is more annoying that helping.
There should be an icon which indicates that currently there is someone on your map online as Mentor, willing to help others. Not the position, not an apple over the head, just an icon like a buff you can click on. Something like the Ranger’s pet management icon/window which you should also be able to turn off if you don’t like it.
Clicking this icon opens a list with all currently available Mentors on the same map as you are.
Each Mentor should be able to make a little description as well.
The chat can have some sort of indication, that’s fine.
Commanders should have a chat indication as well in form of the current color they are using.
Maybe even give people the option to rate Mentors who did a good job.
I was not bothered either way when I got mine but it has actually been surprisingly useful. Example: today I was doing a bit of map completion on my own. I stublmed upon a Champ boss just sitting there. I turned on the tag, said “champ here”. A dozen players turned up, we killed the boss, got the loot and then I turned off the tag. I didn’t mentor anyone. I didn’t clash with comm tag. Everyone benefited.
Anyone that complains about mentor tags is simply saying “Boo hoo I bought my way to an important tag and now these nobodies get one for free”.
And BTW, I’ve followed some shockingly bad commanders in Silverwastes. Just sayin’.
Mentor tag is fine, stop complaining or offering crappy ‘solutions’ like that. There is no solution needed because there is no problem with the Mentor tag. The only problem I see is individuals who spent a bit of gold on a Commander tag and feeling entitled.
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It is far more effective to demonstrate what you are teaching as you explain it. Anyone who has actually tried to teach others would know this.
How would disabling the ability to attack/use skills help a mentor teach? And how would it keep people tagged up with mentor tags, but sitting, doing nothing , and not contributing at all from cluttering up the map? How would it keep a troll from giving someone bad/misleading advice?
It seems to me that this “solution” fails to address any of the actual issues.
It is far more effective to demonstrate what you are teaching as you explain it. Anyone who has actually tried to teach others would know this.
How would disabling the ability to attack/use skills help a mentor teach? And how would it keep people tagged up with mentor tags, but sitting, doing nothing , and not contributing at all from cluttering up the map? How would it keep a troll from giving someone bad/misleading advice?
It seems to me that this “solution” fails to address any of the actual issues.
This is why I was so puzzled at all the people in Caledon Forest who were wearing mentor tags and AFKing near the dungeon entrance. How were they helping anyone?
Disabling abilities is not the answer. Both because people need those abilities to teach others and because I am sure I am not alone in actually doing things on a map (events, completion, etc) between people asking me questions.
I was glad we had a bunch of people with mentor tags(again) on my verdant brink map, we only had two commanders(Me and someone else) and those mentors tagged up and got us on track enough to just barely get a tier 4 night completion tonight.
I dont see a problem with them at all. (Despite the one troll we had show up for a few minutes). And yes, those mentors where also explaining the events as they went to the players around them, quite a few who i swear had never done the map before.
Your experience with mentors is quite the opposite from mine. I encountered two already, whose stance was to order people around after spawning and insulting me for defending myself against the mobs, because they seemingly wanted an event to restart. Messages like “Noob, you shouldn’t enter the game and should die. NO REZZ FOR U!” was quite common behaviour.
But that’s just my 2 cents.
Edit: Other than that, I never had any interaction with neither a mentor nor a commander, so I can’t decide (for myself) whether or not they are just event-hoppers who know where to hop to and when. If that’s the meaning of that tag, then they fulfill their purpose.
Today right, in VB a commander (thou shall not name and shame), clearly just wanted cheap exp, ran near the events but not actually taking part but just close enough so they got exp…..
…..you still with me, this threw players off, as we all know players hug commander tags like their lives depend on it, he didn t explain what to do in the events, i told him to either take part or take off his tag and i’ll mentor….
I was glad we had a bunch of people with mentor tags(again) on my verdant brink map, we only had two commanders(Me and someone else) and those mentors tagged up and got us on track enough to just barely get a tier 4 night completion tonight.
I dont see a problem with them at all. (Despite the one troll we had show up for a few minutes). And yes, those mentors where also explaining the events as they went to the players around them, quite a few who i swear had never done the map before.
Your experience with mentors is quite the opposite from mine. I encountered two already, whose stance was to order people around after spawning and insulting me for defending myself against the mobs, because they seemingly wanted an event to restart. Messages like “Noob, you shouldn’t enter the game and should die. NO REZZ FOR U!” was quite common behaviour.
But that’s just my 2 cents.
2 already? Out of how many players who now have this tag. I wonder what percent of the population that is. (Hint: whatever it is is not even near 1%. More like 0.00001%)
By the way. Block and report is the accepted way to handle anyone abusing others. Mentor tags are irrelevant,
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ANet may give it to you.
I’d much rather be taught/shown how to do something as opposed to being lectured to death about something. I learn better through demonstration anyways.
I’m sure many people do, and examples are a key way of teaching what and what not to do. So disabling skills/utilities would be completely counter productive.
what they did in that game was, you could sign up to be a mentor, and when you activated you got a little tag next to your name to denote your mentor status, then when people looked you up they’d see the mentor tag next to your name
they didn’t have a tag on the minimap/map though, so people only really used it to mentor people
i think in gw2, we should remove the tag from the mini map and have like a special mentor tag show up in the party ui as well as lfg, and maybe even have a new mentor tab in the social window to show who’s mentoring on the current map
2 already? Out of how many players who now have this tag. I wonder what percent of the population that is. (Hint: whatever it is is not even near 1%. More like 0.00001%)
By the way. Block and report is the accepted way to handle anyone abusing others. Mentor tags are irrelevant,
I don’t need those derogatory ‘hints’. Let me clarify: That was 2 out of 2 maps, where “active” mentoring took place.
The point is, people are making an effort and suddenly the mentor/commander decides that they need better loot and destroys peoples efforts to just play the game.
If you tell them to wait, you get the undesired results that I mentioned and the claim that “it’s really anets fault for making the game that way”.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t oppose the idea itself. It’s what people make of it, and at the moment it’s 100% (remember: 2 out of 2) destruction of people’s efforts/progress for pure selfishness.
I don’t need those derogatory ‘hints’. Let me clarify: That was 2 out of 2 maps, where “active” mentoring took place.
The point is, people are making an effort and suddenly the mentor/commander decides that they need better loot and destroys peoples efforts to just play the game.
If you tell them to wait, you get the undesired results that I mentioned and the claim that “it’s really anets fault for making the game that way”.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t oppose the idea itself. It’s what people make of it, and at the moment it’s 100% (remember: 2 out of 2) destruction of people’s efforts/progress for pure selfishness.
Waiting is the best option. Believe it or not, there was a point where all of these complaints have been issued before but with commander tags. It’s nothing new and Anet will do the exact same thing they did with the commander tag complaints. They will do nothing and it will fix itself. Once the shiny appeal goes away you will see less of the tag.
2 already? Out of how many players who now have this tag. I wonder what percent of the population that is. (Hint: whatever it is is not even near 1%. More like 0.00001%)
By the way. Block and report is the accepted way to handle anyone abusing others. Mentor tags are irrelevant,
I don’t need those derogatory ‘hints’. Let me clarify: That was 2 out of 2 maps, where “active” mentoring took place.
The point is, people are making an effort and suddenly the mentor/commander decides that they need better loot and destroys peoples efforts to just play the game.
If you tell them to wait, you get the undesired results that I mentioned and the claim that “it’s really anets fault for making the game that way”.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t oppose the idea itself. It’s what people make of it, and at the moment it’s 100% (remember: 2 out of 2) destruction of people’s efforts/progress for pure selfishness.
Derogatory?
adjective. tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging;
I don’t see where pointing out that you’ve seen 2 out of the whole population is derogatory or that pointing out the proper way to handle abusive remarks in game is derogatory, but I guess you do. Soooo.
In addition to your comment about 2 rude people who happened to be wearing a tag, these sort of complaints were directed towards commanders when commanders were new. New tag. New people who don’t want to use them properly tag up. Same problem. Same solutions.
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