Guild Wars 2

Since ascended is getting buffed to 10% instead of 5% over exotics, now is the best time to:

• reduce the amount of silk scraps in the Bolt of Silk (to change all silk recipes),
• reduce the amount of bolts of silk the Spool of Silk Weaving Thread (to only change the Damask cost),
• make it require mostly gossamer instead of silk since that one is almost leather,
• (make heavy and medium armour require more deldrimor to make it even maybe?)

It’s not that players do not want ascended to be better, it’s that they want it to not feel grindy which it always did, especially for light classes, especially if you play more than one class, especially in fractals, and it does feel more grindy than ever with the rocketing price.

But if the recipe requirements are decreased, the market will balance it out with the increased demand and everyone will become happier Bonus: it will make speculators who got hands on the patch notes earlier than everyone else unhappy.

Lishtenbird.2814:

It’s not that players do not want ascended to be better, it’s that they want it to not feel grindy which it always did, especially for light classes, especially if you play more than one class, especially in fractals, and it does feel more grindy than ever with the rocketing price.

The price is relatively irrelevant in determining if its more grindy now, as long as the droprate stays the same.

Wanze.8410:

Lishtenbird.2814:

It’s not that players do not want ascended to be better, it’s that they want it to not feel grindy which it always did, especially for light classes, especially if you play more than one class, especially in fractals, and it does feel more grindy than ever with the rocketing price.

The price is relatively irrelevant in determining if its more grindy now, as long as the droprate stays the same.

He said it FEELS more grindy than ever, because of increasing prices forcing people to farm it.

Anyway, all cloth needs adjustments.

Wanze.8410:

Lishtenbird.2814:

It’s not that players do not want ascended to be better, it’s that they want it to not feel grindy which it always did, especially for light classes, especially if you play more than one class, especially in fractals, and it does feel more grindy than ever with the rocketing price.

The price is relatively irrelevant in determining if its more grindy now, as long as the droprate stays the same.

In a game where almost everything can be bought with a universal currency (gold), that relatively is pretty irrelevant once you count in the opportunity cost of selling the mats and getting other goods (and more of them in our case).

Also, I assume that most people do not grind 300 silk per day, they play to get gold and buy the rest of ungrinded silk (and linen) for daily crafting. That might be false, but I’m inclined to think it’s true.

Wanze.8410:

Lishtenbird.2814:

It’s not that players do not want ascended to be better, it’s that they want it to not feel grindy which it always did, especially for light classes, especially if you play more than one class, especially in fractals, and it does feel more grindy than ever with the rocketing price.

The price is relatively irrelevant in determining if its more grindy now, as long as the droprate stays the same.

It’s dependent on drop rate and # of silk scraps required for ascended crafting. Silk requirements are disproportionately high, and have been for a long time. The OP suggests changing that.

I wouldn’t mind if they slightly raised the # of leather/mithril needed while dropping silk requirements to the same level. Currently you need lots of silk regardless of armor weight (heavy/light/medium) that you are crafting. Requirements for mithril/leather are far less and it should be normalized.

I had a conversation with a guildie earlier. A lot of people seem to claim they can easily gather the materials to craft daily damask from scratch with no TP. I don’t see how this is possible without investing 6+ hours a day in the game. Remember damask isn’t the only thing required to craft ascended. I spent over 600g on a set of armor (no weapons even), and most of that I had to pay for in gems because I simply don’t have the time to slog through dungeon pugs and EotM train for 6+ hours a night.

How am I supposed to get my friends into this game if I have to tell them that story?

I was drowning in Silk. A decrease in the amount of Silk needed will just increase the amount of Spool of Silk Weaving Threads I get. Which, in turn, will increase the amount of Wool, Cotton, and Linen Bolts that I’ll need to convert them all to Damask. That, in turn, will increase the prices of Wool, Cotton, and Linen since demand will rise. Anet doesn’t like slippery slopes, so I think it’s best to leave Silk alone.

Anyways, I am pretty sure that they WONT adjust the recipe and I will tell you why.
Ascended crafting is basically the only viable sink for silk.
If they adjust the silk bolt recipe back to 2 scraps it would mean a 33% decrease in silk demand, if they adjust the damask recipe to 50 bolts of silk, it would mean a 50% decrease in demand, if both changes are implemented, it would mean a 66% decrease in demand.

That a significant numbers and will result in silk going back to vendor value.
As ascended crafting is the only viable sink for silk, Anet basically has to make sure that the average player that wants silk cant farm his daily demand on his own and has to buy silk from other players that dont have demand for silk (because they arent crafting ascended armor).

During LS2, Anet introduced alot of new silk faucets in order to get the price down, about 10% with every new content update.

So if Anet decides, that the price of silk or cloth in general gets a little too high, they will adjust the faucets, not the sinks and definately not by 33, 50 or 66%.

And personally, i wouldnt buy too much into this cloth spike. There is alot more supply of silk (and other cloth) available on the tp apart from scraps and bolts.
Hundreds of different containers and thousands of different armor pieces will drop cloth, once opened and salvaged.

Wintersday gifts give a decent amount of cloth and can be forged with snowflakes, of which we have plenty of on the trading post.

Give it a couple of days until the traders start buying up all this stuff and dump the supply on the tp.

Wanze.8410:

Give it a couple of days until the traders start buying up all this stuff and dump the supply on the tp.

It simply means a lot more things will become expensive because of the increase in demand.

• It will not make ascended less expensive,
• it will not help light classes,
• it will not help altoholics,
• it will not remove the extra stat increase incentive to craft it.

Earlier, people said “I do not have to craft it for every character stat-wise, it’s just a long-term option for my main”; now people will have to grind for BiS item since it does matter. ANet has a chance to make a lot of players way happier by making damask cheaper – but yeeeah, with the today’s reveal of HoT bundle policy, I’m sure they’re not aiming for anyone’s happiness.

Lishtenbird.2814:

Wanze.8410:

Give it a couple of days until the traders start buying up all this stuff and dump the supply on the tp.

It simply means a lot more things will become expensive because of the increase in demand.

• It will not make ascended less expensive,
• it will not help light classes,
• it will not help altoholics,
• it will not remove the extra stat increase incentive to craft it.

Earlier, people said “I do not have to craft it for every character stat-wise, it’s just a long-term option for my main”; now people will have to grind for BiS item since it does matter. ANet has a chance to make a lot of players way happier by making damask cheaper – but yeeeah, with the today’s reveal of HoT bundle policy, I’m sure they’re not aiming for anyone’s happiness.

Since ascended release, they already introduced plenty of changes that adress your concerns.

They introduced alot of new cloth faucets and even gave you the possibility to farm all tiers of cloth in a level 80 map (SW), they made it accound bound after use, they even made the account bound mats easier accessible. OBsi Shards can be farmed in SW as well, you can more laurels than before, if you log in on a daily basis and you even can BUY ore/dust/shards with gold now (through wintersday gifts and t&t bags).

Now they add even more functionality to them (stat increase) and you complain.

The price disparity for light classes is in my opinion the only half valid concern, however, that is up to everybodies personal preferences and is the same to every player.
Making damask cheaper wont adress that concern anyways, unless you bring elonian/damask/deldrimor all to the same price level, which will require a huge amount of micromanaging. And if that process involves raising the value of deldrimor, asc weapons will see a price spice as well, so its rather counter productice.

Penguin made another good point:
If the silk requirements will be lowered, it will result in more spools being crafted and put additional demand on on lower tier cloth, which will increase in price, if they dont adjust those faucets. The gold you save in silk will be added to cotton/wool/linen.

At the end of the day, players are fine atm to pay 17g for damask and they will be fine to pay 17g per damask, if silk requirements get lowered, which the added vaue coming from t2 to t4 cloth.