Guild Wars 2

Reposted from reddit with the blessings of the author

Achievements for Limited Time Events should not have a random element.

Okay, so I’m an achievement hound. I get every achievement I can. I enjoy it. It’s fun for me.

In the current Living story, the marionette achievements are, to some degree based on pure luck. You can dodge perfectly, finish the boss in your lane and win and STILL not get your achievement because someone three lanes over has failed to do the research into the fight, or has lag, or just can’t cut it.

And I don’t want to be annoyed with those people because it’s not necessarily their fault. They could be logging in from a place with lousy internet. They could be on meds for pain. I don’t know.

But I can be mad at Anet for making a achievement that I can do perfectly that fails because some completely stranger can’t do the rest of it.

It would be different I think, if you have to win in your lane but asking all five lanes to win to give you a dodge achievement is bad design.

And you know, if this was something I could do a year from now, maybe I wouldn’t feel the same way, but if you’re an achievement guy like me, you’re going to want to try to be there whenever you can to get those specific achievements, which means a lot of waiting around for an event to start. Is this really how Anet wants me to play their game?

The worst bit is, every time I dodge perfectly, we fail to cut the chain and I don’t get credit. Every time I get hit, we succeed and cut the chain. lol

It’s annoying as hell.

And on the other hand you have achievements where people seem to think that they are forced to “google” or use the mapchat. Why don’t you complain about that?

Vayne.8563:

The worst bit is, every time I dodge perfectly, we fail to cut the chain and I don’t get credit. Every time I get hit, we succeed and cut the chain.

Story of my life.

kokiman.2364:

And on the other hand you have achievements where people seem to think that they are forced to “google” or use the mapchat. Why don’t you complain about that?

We do.

It’s true, I find it really frustrating to get the achievements for fighting the marionette. The number of times I’ve dodged an attack successfully and finished the boss on my platform to watch one single platform next to me fail. It’s not their fault, and I don’t mind that we don’t beat the boss overall, but it does irritate that I don’t get a personal achievement point for my personal achievement. It should at least read “group achievement”, then at least I wouldn’t have gone in expecting to achieve something I don’t.

kokiman.2364:

And on the other hand you have achievements where people seem to think that they are forced to “google” or use the mapchat. Why don’t you complain about that?

Because that doesn’t bother me, so I don’t complain about it. I only complain about stuff that bothers me. Others can complain about stuff that bothers them.

What an odd question. lol

I truly fail to understand the idea of an “achievement hound”. These kind of people usually tend to ruin the game, tbh.

Corpus Christi.2057:

I truly fail to understand the idea of an “achievement hound”. These kind of people usually tend to ruin the game, tbh.

You mean they ruin the game for you. I’m pretty sure that if you took all the achievement hounds out of the game, you’d have a severely diminished population. I think that might ruin the game for you even more.

I fail to understand min/maxers and speed runners, but what you can you do.

Vayne.8563:

kokiman.2364:

And on the other hand you have achievements where people seem to think that they are forced to “google” or use the mapchat. Why don’t you complain about that?

Because that doesn’t bother me, so I don’t complain about it. I only complain about stuff that bothers me. Others can complain about stuff that bothers them.

What an odd question. lol

You do only complain when something is too hard/random but not when something is too easy?

Vayne.8563:

Corpus Christi.2057:

I truly fail to understand the idea of an “achievement hound”. These kind of people usually tend to ruin the game, tbh.

You mean they ruin the game for you. I’m pretty sure that if you took all the achievement hounds out of the game, you’d have a severely diminished population. I think that might ruin the game for you even more.

I fail to understand min/maxers and speed runners, but what you can you do.

I fail to understand min/maxers and speed runners, too, but the achievement hounds are often the reason why many guilds fall apart ( numerous threads on reddit, gw2 forums, where people said those 17k ap people didn’t want to participate in guild missions, help with dungeon runs etc. ’cos they had to do all dailies, LS and so on, and so on ).

That’s the sad truth: once you remove all those game-ruiners from the game, the community gets so tiny it’s almost impossilbe to play.

PS We should be able to do only 5 daily ap. Once we’ve done them, we can’t do the rest of the daily ap pool we choose from.

kokiman.2364:

Vayne.8563:

kokiman.2364:

And on the other hand you have achievements where people seem to think that they are forced to “google” or use the mapchat. Why don’t you complain about that?

Because that doesn’t bother me, so I don’t complain about it. I only complain about stuff that bothers me. Others can complain about stuff that bothers them.

What an odd question. lol

You do only complain when something is too hard/random but not when something is too easy?

No. Nor do I complain when they’re too hard. I do complain if I feel they’re too random.

I have no real control over this at all. I’m not on that other platform two, three platforms away. I mean think about this…how easy would it be for a small group of people to troll this event? To screw it up intentionally.

I just think it’s bad design.

I never complained about an achievement being difficult. I never complained about Liadri. This isn’t about difficulty.

I’ve dodged several lanes perfectly and each time bar one, someone else on another platform failed.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Vayne.8563:

Corpus Christi.2057:

I truly fail to understand the idea of an “achievement hound”. These kind of people usually tend to ruin the game, tbh.

You mean they ruin the game for you. I’m pretty sure that if you took all the achievement hounds out of the game, you’d have a severely diminished population. I think that might ruin the game for you even more.

I fail to understand min/maxers and speed runners, but what you can you do.

I fail to understand min/maxers and speed runners, too, but the achievement hounds are often the reason why many guilds fall apart ( numerous threads on reddit, gw2 forums, where people said those 17k ap people didn’t want to participate in guild missions, help with dungeon runs etc. ’cos they had to do all dailies, LS and so on, and so on ).

That’s the sad truth: once you remove all those game-ruiners from the game, the community gets so tiny it’s almost impossilbe to play.

PS We should be able to do only 5 daily ap. Once we’ve done them, we can’t do the rest of the daily ap pool we choose from.

I’m an achievement hound and I participate in every single guild mission. You can like getting achievements and make a decision to help someone instead of getting another one. I do it all the time. I’ve given up doing a daily to help a newbie around the game. It happens. It’s not the end of the world.

Still I’d like to feel the achievements that are there are fair. I don’t feel this one is.

Poor Vayne – attacked for supporting ANet, attacked for criticising ANet.

I feel Vayne has a very valid point in this thread – I’ve stated my reasons in another post above, but am just trying to bring this round back to topic.

I am guessing that the idea behind making these achievements “group” achievements is to make it “harder” to get achievements, since people have been asking for that. However, it’s not that it’s hard to get the achievement, because all it tells you to do is dodge, which most of us are perfectly capable of. It’s that it’s so tied to other people and an entirely random chance whether you get it or not. Which shouldn’t be the case on my personal achievement score.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Poor Vayne – attacked for supporting ANet, attacked for criticising ANet.

I feel Vayne has a very valid point in this thread – I’ve stated my reasons in another post above, but am just trying to bring this round back to topic.

I am guessing that the idea behind making these achievements “group” achievements is to make it “harder” to get achievements, since people have been asking for that. However, it’s not that it’s hard to get the achievement, because all it tells you to do is dodge, which most of us are perfectly capable of. It’s that it’s so tied to other people and an entirely random chance whether you get it or not. Which shouldn’t be the case on my personal achievement score.

It’s artificial hardness to me, and that I don’t like. And yeah the whole posting a negative thread thing is ironic, huh? lol

Vayne.8563:

CrossedHorse.4261:

Poor Vayne – attacked for supporting ANet, attacked for criticising ANet.

I feel Vayne has a very valid point in this thread – I’ve stated my reasons in another post above, but am just trying to bring this round back to topic.

I am guessing that the idea behind making these achievements “group” achievements is to make it “harder” to get achievements, since people have been asking for that. However, it’s not that it’s hard to get the achievement, because all it tells you to do is dodge, which most of us are perfectly capable of. It’s that it’s so tied to other people and an entirely random chance whether you get it or not. Which shouldn’t be the case on my personal achievement score.

It’s artificial hardness to me, and that I don’t like. And yeah the whole posting a negative thread thing is ironic, huh? lol

Very!

Yes, artificial hardness – that’s what I was going for. The phrase eluded me at the last moment. I completely agree. It’s the most frustrating thing ever. I should have got them all over the weekend, and instead only got two.

The one plus is that if you want the meta at least you can still get it without completing though achievements (though it would be nicer to have them – and as an achievement hound I can understand your frustration).