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This is a fine point, but begs the question of what they’re getting for all this concurrency? The game’s free to play. Originally I thought the idea was to make a game that people log in to out of pure enjoyment, if and when they please. Most people I knew before the patch were quite happy with the game, and were excited and waiting to jump on and be a part of it again with new content. Now, people who are leaving the game won’t be doing so temporarily, if they leave because they are bitter toward it.
What Anet needs, assuming they don’t add a sub, is people buying gems. I can only speak for myself here, but I was buying some monthly, even though the stuff to buy with them wasn’t all that valuable to me. I (and at least some others I’ve heard speak up on the forums) did this just to show support of the game. I assume they’re depending on people wanting to convert gems to coin, but again, if no one wants/needs the stuff on BLTC, who’s spending their ingame coin to get gems? I suspect they’ll add something on there that replaces the more grindy items in the mystic forge when crafting/upgrading ascended gear.
Personally, something I would have MUCH preferred to abandoning the manifesto, is adding a subscription, to be paid in gems. Yes, I’m going there. Make it about 1000 gems (~$12, less than any other grade A MMO on the market), but because it’s GEMS people can choose to buy them with in game money. And because people are buying the gems, the value of gems should remain higher.
Regardless, they need to put items that people want on black lion.
-The minority who hasn’t logged in since the patch/event.
Ascending gear. Descending game.
With all the vocal minority inundating the forums, it was no surprise that Whiteside coined the Fotm, event and new content a success. These forums were slammed with the same few thousand people complaining about the new gear and dungeon. Yet, the proof will be in the pudding in the end. MMO companies use metrics to help determine direction and a great many things about how they will move forward in their game.
Sure, they listen to feedback, but they also put alot of stock into the actions of players. If they see a good turnout in the dungeons on a daily basis, keep concurrency consistent and people wearing the new items by the hundreds of thousands, then it is definitely a success.
People that claim the forum spam is the majority could in fact really be in the minority by a large margin. We will never really know since MMO companies usually don’t reveal the metrics/data they keep.
Personally, I think they saw a huge population in exotic gear at 80 with little to do and average concurrency going south. The game is ultra simplistic and caters to casuals more than most MMOs. Your not in your GW1 Tyria anymore either. If this is to be a true mmorpg, then they are likely watching their metrics on a weekly basis and holding meetings to debrief the data…that data must show people were in need of Ascended gear and dungeons worth doing and reasons to log in.
This is a boatload of crap and you know it.
Let’s move the Ascended gear to all the known sources for exotics and see if FotM has more than a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
When FOTM ceases to be the ONLY source for the best gear in the game, THEN we can start to get true metrics on it.
As it stands now, all FOTM is doing is killing the rest of the game and encouraging incredibly bad behavior as it fragments the community.
With all the vocal minority inundating the forums, it was no surprise that Whiteside coined the Fotm, event and new content a success. These forums were slammed with the same few thousand people complaining about the new gear and dungeon. Yet, the proof will be in the pudding in the end. MMO companies use metrics to help determine direction and a great many things about how they will move forward in their game.
Sure, they listen to feedback, but they also put alot of stock into the actions of players. If they see a good turnout in the dungeons on a daily basis, keep concurrency consistent and people wearing the new items by the hundreds of thousands, then it is definitely a success.
People that claim the forum spam is the majority could in fact really be in the minority by a large margin. We will never really know since MMO companies usually don’t reveal the metrics/data they keep.
Personally, I think they saw a huge population in exotic gear at 80 with little to do and average concurrency going south. The game is ultra simplistic and caters to casuals more than most MMOs. Your not in your GW1 Tyria anymore either. If this is to be a true mmorpg, then they are likely watching their metrics on a weekly basis and holding meetings to debrief the data…that data must show people were in need of Ascended gear and dungeons worth doing and reasons to log in.
This is a boatload of crap and you know it.
Let’s move the Ascended gear to all the known sources for exotics and see if FotM has more than a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
When FOTM ceases to be the ONLY source for the best gear in the game, THEN we can start to get true metrics on it.
As it stands now, all FOTM is doing is killing the rest of the game and encouraging incredibly bad behavior as it fragments the community.
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again. On one hand, I agree that people are running for the next tier. On the other hand, this style of dungeon is way more interesting then exotic dungeons, which a ten year old can zerg. Once again, if people’s actions show they will run these dungeons, then more will come. Forum posts decrying Anet mean nothing if metrics show that people will run these dungeons in mass numbers.
To the point of concurrency, I think the more people are in game, the better game experience for everyone so why wouldn’t that be an important consideration. Also, more in game means more browsing, more often on the BLT with more chances to make a business transaction to support Anet’s business. If you truly want an fps log in log out here and there, then it becomes less of an mmorpg. Also, PS2 has that idea already cornered with MMOfps.
Again, this community is divided based on opinions. Metrics will show the way this game will go over time based on our actions, not forum trolls or people scream Anet broke their Manifesto. I don’t think they did, but I bet we will not see they didn’t until the game is fully realized months down the road.
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That was a load of corporate babble speak crap.
The only way to get the new gear is in the new dungeon. Period. So they see that a lot of people are doing the new dungeons right now and not the dynamic content so the players must want new dungeons all the time! Let’s give them new dungeons all the time and make it the only way to get better gear in the game forever!
If the only way you could collect your paycheck every week was to pee down your leg into your shoe and you did it, your company would decide that is something their employees enjoy doing and, well, actually like to do. Now you have to do that every day at work since you must like it so much.
Yea – it’s like that.
“There are two types of people in the world…and I don’t like them.”
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
You don’t even read the rest of my post. BTW, accusing the majority on this board of being a “vocal minority” sounds like the Romney camp before the election. We all know how well that went.
meanwhile everyone is miserable in an ever-emtpying set of servers (lion’s arch is where most people are, and overflows are becoming a thing of the past, that’s ominous that is your metric right there). People spam lion’s arch for HOURS before they’re able to find groups.
On one hand, I agree that people are running for the next tier. On the other hand, this style of dungeon is way more interesting then exotic dungeons, which a ten year old can zerg. Once again, if people’s actions show they will run these dungeons, then more will come. Forum posts decrying Anet mean nothing if metrics show that people will run these dungeons in mass numbers.
Only because it’s the ONLY way to “complete” your character. Or are you just afraid you won’t be able to be an elitist jerk and exclude “scrubs” if they leave FOTM in droves and go back to the rest of the game to grind their shinies?
To the point of concurrency, I think the more people are in game, the better game experience for everyone so why wouldn’t that be an important consideration. Also, more in game means more browsing, more often on the BLT with more chances to make a business transaction to support Anet’s business. If you truly want an fps log in log out here and there, then it becomes less of an mmorpg. Also, PS2 has that idea already cornered with MMOfps.
More people in lion’s arch will just mean more people in overflow, but people already have a game where they can stand in cities doing LFG and calling people who don’t have top raid gear scrubs – it’s over on blizzard’s website and even has fuzzy pandas.
Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Right, they should just go by what a few thousand posters say on the forums over and over again on 3 dfferent sites. Good point.
Whether you like it or not, metrics are used in the decision making process. The “go play pandas” mantra is always the fall back by the vocal minority. I’m guessing they want more than the niche GW1 was and are working with that vision to make it happen. It won’t always be smoothing sailing along this journey.
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The problem is that corporations do use metrics to determine this stuff. It’s the easiest way to do it. Just like when the police profile people based on race or clothing or whatever. Is it the right way to do it? No. Is it the easiest way to do it? Yes.
Can it turn around a bite you in the butt – hell yes.
“There are two types of people in the world…and I don’t like them.”
Let’s have some perspective here, have you ever heard an exec say...
’Yeah, we screwed up our last plan up big time. We alienated our costumer base, rendered most of our other models useless, and stood against everything we used to stand for.’
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The problem is that corporations do use metrics to determine this stuff. It’s the easiest way to do it. Just like when the police profile people based on race or clothing or whatever. Is it the right way to do it? No. Is it the easiest way to do it? Yes.
Can it turn around a bite you in the butt – hell yes.
I agree, metrics are important, but they aren’t everything. When combined with other qualitative data such as surveys or direct customer feedback, then they become more useful…
Given the recent survey on the lost shores content (not to mention the amount of feedback given on the forums about the patch) I’m sure ArenaNet won’t be looking solely at the metrics.
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
It’s a boatload, for one, because you are using the same device you decry in others. As you elsewhere cogently allude to, we really don’t know what the majority thinks. So, how do you know your opposition is a vocal minority? It’s best when you engage issues to actually engage with the issues rather than using weak devices like suggesting your opposition is simply the minority and therefore irrelevant. What we have in terms of the forums are simply the population of people who use the forums. It is the official medium for 2-way communication so it represents a significant population regardless of whether it is representative of the whole population or not. They are here for a reason and they are fulfilling their purpose.
Refer back to original post, I said that qualitative is used, but the point was don’t forget about the quanitative aspect that mmo companies use. They see things we the individuals don’t when we see the same posters spamming forums when they don’t like something. Doesn’t mean they are the majority.
We won’t know because we don’t have access to their data mining. So people that come to this forum screaming “Anet, why you no listen to all the maJority that hates the new gear, doesn’t all the posts show you we hate it”. are quite possibly in the minority. This is where balancing metrics with qualitative feedback comes into play. Millions sold, few thousand posting “you screwed up Anet.” I’d love to see the metrics of it all just for more perspective.
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It seems rather premature to come on the forums proclaiming success immediately after new content has been released. Whether players like it or not, they’ve already paid for the game, its free, so they are going to try out that content. Doesn’t mean they are going to keep doing it. Let’s give it a few weeks, shall we? … then we shall see.
There will be consequences.
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Whiteside said they adding more fotm style dungeons. Something is showing them that they are successful?
Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Right, they should just go by what a few thousand posters say on the forums over and over again on 3 dfferent sites. Good point.
You act as though a few thousand is a small amount. What a sorry state this industry has fallen into.
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Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Right, they should just go by what a few thousand posters say on the forums over and over again on 3 dfferent sites. Good point.
You act as though a few thousand is a small amount. What a sorry state this industry has fallen into.
So if hundreds of thousands end up liking it, they don’t count? Asking people to keep it in perspective and consider the wider audience and lets see where this goes. They will give that gear out like candy at some point, I’m sure of it. Were exotics difficult to get?
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Let’s have some perspective here, have you ever heard an exec say…
‘Yeah, we screwed up our last plan up big time. We alienated our costumer base, rendered most of our other models useless, and stood against everything we used to stand for.’
There is wisdom here. And, this is certainly a feature of either the rock or the hard place in the current PR event. One thing they can do is be honest and forthcoming about their future intentions and its implications for the Manifesto. They can make it sound good as long as they tell us what the “it” is.
Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Right, they should just go by what a few thousand posters say on the forums over and over again on 3 dfferent sites. Good point.
You act as though a few thousand is a small amount. What a sorry state this industry has fallen into.
So if hundreds of thousands end up liking it, they don’t count? Asking people to keep it in perspective and consider the wider audience and lets see where this goes. They will give that gear out like candy at some point, I’m sure of it. Were exotics difficult to get?
Why would we even consider factoring in hundreds and thousands of opinions that we couldn’t possibly know. You seem to be making the logical error that your view is in the majority again.
I disagree with the OP entirely. The fractals are populated primarily because people have to do them now to get their gear. once you’ve done a few, they are repetitive.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
With all the vocal minority inundating the forums, it was no surprise that Whiteside coined the Fotm, event and new content a success. These forums were slammed with the same few thousand people complaining about the new gear and dungeon. Yet, the proof will be in the pudding in the end. MMO companies use metrics to help determine direction and a great many things about how they will move forward in their game.
Sure, they listen to feedback, but they also put alot of stock into the actions of players. If they see a good turnout in the dungeons on a daily basis, keep concurrency consistent and people wearing the new items by the hundreds of thousands, then it is definitely a success.
People that claim the forum spam is the majority could in fact really be in the minority by a large margin. We will never really know since MMO companies usually don’t reveal the metrics/data they keep.
Personally, I think they saw a huge population in exotic gear at 80 with little to do and average concurrency going south. The game is ultra simplistic and caters to casuals more than most MMOs. Your not in your GW1 Tyria anymore either. If this is to be a true mmorpg, then they are likely watching their metrics on a weekly basis and holding meetings to debrief the data…that data must show people were in need of Ascended gear and dungeons worth doing and reasons to log in.
This is a boatload of crap and you know it.
Let’s move the Ascended gear to all the known sources for exotics and see if FotM has more than a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
When FOTM ceases to be the ONLY source for the best gear in the game, THEN we can start to get true metrics on it.
As it stands now, all FOTM is doing is killing the rest of the game and encouraging incredibly bad behavior as it fragments the community.
He (Natural.7013) got a good point if you do not think these things should be in the game then you should not be trying to get them.
The thing is this is just the first wave of this gear if you think all they are going to add in is a back item and 2 rings then they are not worth going after at all but they have even came out and said that they are adding these level of items to different events such as wvw (i realty like this one every one wvw now!).
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Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they are happy with the changes. No metric will tell you the state of mind of a player. I find it rather foolish to even put forward as proof.
Right, they should just go by what a few thousand posters say on the forums over and over again on 3 dfferent sites. Good point.
You act as though a few thousand is a small amount. What a sorry state this industry has fallen into.
So if hundreds of thousands end up liking it, they don’t count? Asking people to keep it in perspective and consider the wider audience and lets see where this goes. They will give that gear out like candy at some point, I’m sure of it. Were exotics difficult to get?
Why would we even consider factoring in hundreds and thousands of opinions that we couldn’t possibly know. You seem to be making the logical error that your view is in the majority again.
I’m in error, yet just viewing the naysayers on forums as the majority isn’t in error? The whole point of the op was that should take into account the company also uses metrics and we can’t possibly know what the majority does unless we go by their actions.
If they keep adding fotm type dungeons, is it because they are actually popular? Is it because metrics are showing them that many take part regardless of forum QQ?
My view isn’t that the majority likes the dungeon, my view is that the forum posters may not be anywhere near the majority, but we won’t know that with the data they mine on a daily basis. Also, the gear is gonna come to us at some point like it’s hello kitty online imo. Exotics were absurdly easy to get and so will this set.
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Its installing a grind that is so unappealing that only the most hardcore will grind it out (in spite of DR), and lure players with the means and fear of being left behind to open their wallets for cash→gem→gold RMT. The DR is even there to encourage RMT.
If they can get even a small subset to cough up money, it’s a win, since people aren’t falling for the RNG in BLCs and their gem shop has zero in cosmetic stuff worth buying.
Now the DR and way they do the economy is another story. That is for another thread, however, as I think they have really made it obvious that getting gold hard in game and making key items expensive, a temptation for people to take shortcuts by buying gems.
Separate issue then this thread regarding fotm imo. I do 1 level a day on average all in pugs and I’m level 13. I am not feeling grinded out on it right now. It’s a simple game with easy mechanics.
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Well, I can get into any WvW zone instantly today which is odd for a Saturday, I went to the Lost Shores and ran into a total of 9 people, 1 doing the jumping puzzle and 7 farming karka and 1 person going for the same ori nodes I was. Everyone else is in LA spamming for FotM, but I’m level 1 so not much point in trying there lol! Is this what successful patch is? Brand new zones completely void of players, instant WvW queues and bored people spamming for groups? I laughed. I logged off, and unless they address the problems on Reddit this coming Monday, I make like a tree.
The new zone is horrible imo. Also, a topic for another thread.
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He (Natural.7013) got a good point if you do not think these things should be in the game then you should not be trying to get them.
The thing is this is just the first wave of this gear if you think all they are going to add in is a back item and 2 rings then they are not worth going after at all but they have even came out and said that they are adding these level of items to different events such as wvw (i realty like this one every one wvw now!).
Yes – they say they will add them eventually.
As the thread topic even states – actions speak louder…..
Luckily – there’s no sub, so I can return to the game when equal powerlevel gear is not only PvE dungeon crawl. Once that ‘eventually’ comes around. Until then SOE is getting my money ‘cause there’s no PvE grind in PlanetSide 2.
It also begs the question why those other avenues to gain the gear weren’t presented at the same time, in the same patch, like with exotic equipment and the obvious, Occam’s Razor, answer is – they want to “encourage” people running FotM dungeon.
It’s not like it’s difficult to throw up some items for sale on a vendor, so it can’t be technical.
Then it’s up to each person to interpret why they want to push the player base into one dungeon – but I expect many people with much experience from other MMOs properly have a good idea why.
Seeing as it is the only avenue for the gear currently – people running it cannot be used as indication for their like/dislike for the dungeon. You can only assume and well, we know what they say about that.
However the people not running it currently because they don’t want to run it – despite it has the “phat lewt” – well, their like/dislike is more obvious. So if – say 60% is doing FotM, you don’t know whether it’s for gear or because it’s fun. The 40% that don’t want to run it, you know it’s because they don’t want to.
Classic troll post OP.
Whiteside said they adding more fotm style dungeons. Something is showing them that they are successful?
No. Whiteside did not say this. He alluded to new content.
If he releases more fractal style dungeons he will sink this game like the titanic. Look how badly fractals are hurting the overall game experience and fracturing the community already.
Well, I can get into any WvW zone instantly today which is odd for a Saturday, I went to the Lost Shores and ran into a total of 9 people, 1 doing the jumping puzzle and 7 farming karka and 1 person going for the same ori nodes I was. Everyone else is in LA spamming for FotM, but I’m level 1 so not much point in trying there lol! Is this what successful patch is? Brand new zones completely void of players, instant WvW queues and bored people spamming for groups? I laughed. I logged off, and unless they address the problems on Reddit this coming Monday, I make like a tree.
My thoughts exactly.
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Whiteside said they adding more fotm style dungeons. Something is showing them that they are successful?
people rushing to do the new content? no way thats completely unheard of! I bet most of WoWs playerbase also has leveled up a panda character, does that mean every game should add pandas since 10 million people have panda characters = Panda races are successful?
heres the thing, people weren’t against Dungeons if people like you actually payed attention to the forum they would know that people wanted more content aka dungeons and landmasses. what they didn’t want was better gear, it had nothing to do with not wanting dungeons.
Whiteside:
“Adding new dungeons to the Fractal of the Mists.”
“We’re very excited about the new content, and from the reactions we have seen, so are many of you. Players have already spent an incredible amount of time in the new Fractals dungeon, and their reaction to it has been phenomenal. "
Something is driving this viewpoint. Like I said, they are adding more fotm style dungeons.
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Whiteside said they adding more fotm style dungeons. Something is showing them that they are successful?
people rushing to do the new content? no way thats completely unheard of! I bet most of WoWs playerbase also has leveled up a panda character, does that mean every game should add pandas since 10 million people have panda characters = Panda races are successful?
heres the thing, people weren’t against Dungeons if people like you actually payed attention to the forum they would know that people wanted more content aka dungeons and landmasses. what they didn’t want was better gear, it had nothing to do with not wanting dungeons.
The gear in hindsight is gonna be laughable months from now. Again, they will make this stuff so easy to get that a ten year old limited to two hours a week will have no problem maxing out.
“Adding new dungeons to the Fractal of the Mists.”
“We’re very excited about the new content, and from the reactions we have seen, so are many of you. Players have already spent an incredible amount of time in the new Fractals dungeon, and their reaction to it has been phenomenal. "
Something is driving this viewpoint.
Well – yeah. It’s called PR.
Is this your first dealings with a company?
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
You don’t even read the rest of my post. BTW, accusing the majority on this board of being a “vocal minority” sounds like the Romney camp before the election. We all know how well that went.
47% of people will never agree with anything ArenaNet does.
The gear in hindsight is gonna be laughable months from now.
yeah when they add the next tier or two of gear. what will it be called ….
Mythical and Godlike?
“Adding new dungeons to the Fractal of the Mists.”
“We’re very excited about the new content, and from the reactions we have seen, so are many of you. Players have already spent an incredible amount of time in the new Fractals dungeon, and their reaction to it has been phenomenal. "
Something is driving this viewpoint.
Well – yeah. It’s called PR.
Is this your first dealings with a company?
Keep it classy. Of course there’s PR there, but you think they really would add more of these if all the forum haters were the only data they use?
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
You don’t even read the rest of my post. BTW, accusing the majority on this board of being a “vocal minority” sounds like the Romney camp before the election. We all know how well that went.
47% of people will never agree with anything ArenaNet does.
Good point.
/thread
How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
You don’t even read the rest of my post. BTW, accusing the majority on this board of being a “vocal minority” sounds like the Romney camp before the election. We all know how well that went.
47% of people will never agree with anything ArenaNet does.
Good point.
/thread
You do realize an election was lost based on the acceptance of that philosophy, right?
/checkmate
We are not hamsters!
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How is it a boatload? Because you don’t like it, so it’s crap. Vocal minority again.
You don’t even read the rest of my post. BTW, accusing the majority on this board of being a “vocal minority” sounds like the Romney camp before the election. We all know how well that went.
47% of people will never agree with anything ArenaNet does.
I would say Anet is probably lucky they are a non subscription based game, that was there best decision to date. had they been a subscription based game they would have gone F2P faster than SWTOR.
OP, as far as metrics go, your voice in this thread is the vocal minority.
acting as an anet apologist will only produce this result.
spamming this thread with the same rhetoric only reinforces it.
you are suffering from the exact symptom you describe of others.
enjoy being the lone voice in the wilderness.
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I heard two sides here. How do I know which one is the minority or not? Math says one side has to be, unless it’s a tie and then both sides are right.
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He (Natural.7013) got a good point if you do not think these things should be in the game then you should not be trying to get them.
The thing is this is just the first wave of this gear if you think all they are going to add in is a back item and 2 rings then they are not worth going after at all but they have even came out and said that they are adding these level of items to different events such as wvw (i realty like this one every one wvw now!).Yes – they say they will add them eventually.
As the thread topic even states – actions speak louder…..
Luckily – there’s no sub, so I can return to the game when equal powerlevel gear is not only PvE dungeon crawl. Once that ‘eventually’ comes around. Until then SOE is getting my money ‘cause there’s no PvE grind in PlanetSide 2.It also begs the question why those other avenues to gain the gear weren’t presented at the same time, in the same patch, like with exotic equipment and the obvious, Occam’s Razor, answer is – they want to “encourage” people running FotM dungeon.
It’s not like it’s difficult to throw up some items for sale on a vendor, so it can’t be technical.
Then it’s up to each person to interpret why they want to push the player base into one dungeon – but I expect many people with much experience from other MMOs properly have a good idea why.Seeing as it is the only avenue for the gear currently – people running it cannot be used as indication for their like/dislike for the dungeon. You can only assume and well, we know what they say about that.
However the people not running it currently because they don’t want to run it – despite it has the “phat lewt” – well, their like/dislike is more obvious. So if – say 60% is doing FotM, you don’t know whether it’s for gear or because it’s fun. The 40% that don’t want to run it, you know it’s because they don’t want to.
See a lot of ppl miss this you point out no grind in PlanetSide 2 but there is its a skill grind you got to keep playing the game to get good at it and work out each different type of weapon and the skill with that weapon. There is a grind in every game and in every thing you do try not to forget that.
If a game just hand you every thing then you will be off to the next game with in a month and that what happen in GW2 the old high level gear was nearly handed to players and we saw a mass of ppl stop playing and endlessly complain about nothing else to do so they gave ppl something to do and now they endlessly complain about that so tell me by the ACTION of the players over there words what should they do?
Cant ppl be doing it for both fun and items?
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Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
Server : FA
Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
Server : FA
Cant ppl be doing it for both fun and items?
This game provided a means for people who wanted items for their prestige to get them.
Arah was/is a PITA.
People who wanted the “worship me” factor could farm and wear Arah skins.
Providing a difficulty curve WITHOUT a way to cheese it with stats *cough*agonyresist*cough* and associating a specific visual skin with each higher difficulty area provides this factor for people who want it.
There is no good reason at all to kill the rest of the game by associating the best loot in the game with the most cumbersome violation of the core tenet of “rewarding cooperation” in MMO history that is Fractals.
Fractals seem purposely designed to fragment the people who desire to run them. The different levels and the fact that item rewards increase as you traverse them means people are rewarded for leaving their fellow players behind.
Shackle people to Fractals by requiring you run them as the sole source for the game’s best gear, and you end up exacerbating this behavior, as you have people who don’t want to be there trying their best to “speed the process up” by only accepting people who can help carry them.
See a lot of ppl miss this you point out no grind in PlanetSide 2 but there is its a skill grind you got to keep playing the game to get good at it and work out each different type of weapon and the skill with that weapon. There is a grind in every game and in every thing you do try not to forget that.
If a game just hand you every thing then you will be off to the next game with in a month and that what happen in GW2 the old high level gear was nearly handed to players and we saw a mass of ppl stop playing and endlessly complain about nothing else to do so they gave ppl something to do and now they endlessly complain about that so tell me by the ACTION of the players over there words what should they do?
Cant ppl be doing it for both fun and items?
The thing is, the same thing happened in the original Guild Wars. Any level 20 mob could drop max-stat weapons. (Heck, if you bought the Game of the Year edition, you could start the game with max-stat weapons.)
The only thing left to “grind” for were specific upgrades to weapons or a specific skin.
See a lot of ppl miss this you point out no grind in PlanetSide 2 but there is its a skill grind you got to keep playing the game to get good at it and work out each different type of weapon and the skill with that weapon. There is a grind in every game and in every thing you do try not to forget that.
If a game just hand you every thing then you will be off to the next game with in a month and that what happen in GW2 the old high level gear was nearly handed to players and we saw a mass of ppl stop playing and endlessly complain about nothing else to do so they gave ppl something to do and now they endlessly complain about that so tell me by the ACTION of the players over there words what should they do?
Cant ppl be doing it for both fun and items?
The thing is, the same thing happened in the original Guild Wars. Any level 20 mob could drop max-stat weapons. (Heck, if you bought the Game of the Year edition, you could start the game with max-stat weapons.)
The only thing left to “grind” for were specific upgrades to weapons or a specific skin.
GW1 was mostly a solo game and you could have an npc group so that makes it very different from GW2. You must also realize that this is a WoW world and there just happens to be other mmorpg in it. This is just the truth of games now it will changes in time but for now this is how every thing is looked at. Games NEED something to keep ppl playing them far more then just skins look at FPS you got to work for new guns attachments etc.. this is to keep ppl playing the game for the long run. I am not saying to add new gear all the time but some new gear put out very slowly will keep ppl coming back as far as we can tell its just the 2 sets and that it.
There is a lag time for events but this will be fixed in time but if it was all at once we would run into a big “binges” then a fall off of players after they got every thing. Then you truly would have no one to play with not because they are running other things but because they are not even playing.
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Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
Server : FA
Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
Server : FA
If they keep adding fotm type dungeons, is it because they are actually popular? Is it because metrics are showing them that many take part regardless of forum QQ
No its because people like you are nothing but sheeple being led by the nose to the slaughter house. If you can’t figure out why some people are running them there’s no trying to educate you on the matter but for you to think or AN to think everyone’s running them because they love it so much then you both are naive.
I have all but concluded all the content locusts that play GW2 were failed wow raiders anyway trying to establish themselves as hardcore in a game that was designed against gear elitism.
Spin: FotM is wildly successful – look at all the players doing it!
Fact: Its the only way to get the new flavor-of-the-month gear so – yeah, ppl are doing it for fear they will be undergeared for the next content release and/or the next gear set (if we see one) on the treadmill.
Spin: FotM is equally open to all.
Fact: We are rapidly seeing an aging effect here in that a lot of the population has progressed well up the FotM chain. Those who still need to start at level 1 or 2, for example, have a much harder time finding a group. This is totally unlike the prior dungeons and is fracturing the player base. The only way to grow out of this is if more players reach the necessary level or alts are run through FotM to create a new wave for level 1.
Spin: The new content release was a success etc.
Fact: FotM has made all other dungeons irrelevant aside from achievement oriented players. Its much harder to find groups at all interested in running this content now as the token grind for exotics is worth less than the token grind for ascended, so if you are going to invest your time – ppl are opting to queue for FotM and the other instances are ghost towns.
Atop all this – a majority of the zones in-game are devoid of players. Its taking much much longer to down the 3 dragons, and many DEs are totally ignored at this point. The loot drops are not good enough to incent players to play these aside from those who simply love DEs and play them for grins and the small payout. None of the items you get are worth having when the goal is a legendary and/or ascended items.
IMHO – the game has taken a turn down a treadmill road that is driving people away. With Rift Storm Legion the flavor-of-the-month ( and Darkfall, among others, around the corner) I fear we are in a mode similar to that seen in The Secret World – a small loyal fan base who will play forever while the game struggles to attract new people and to keep others who don’t want the treadmill.
GW2 mods can fuck it up their cock sucking asses – Sieg heil you nazi fuckers
So after the 30th time, people still enjoy these fractals? Lol. Ok.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
As much as I agree with the OPs post I do have to point out that you’re basically doing the same thing as posters who claim to be the majority as well, And claiming people who are fed up are the minority.
Also even though only say a thousand players are complaining on the forums compared to said millions sold, You’re leaving out the people who don’t bother posting on forums about their discontent with the game, And leaving out the people who already “quit” GW2 and switched.
As for the vocal minority, your totally wrong~ Its more like the vocal Majority just because people don’t post in forums doesn’t mean people in game like it either, the vast amount of players I’ve spoken too also hate the changes and the ascended/fotm problems.
protest this travesty of a patch -
Get it taken down -
Do whatever it takes if you care about this game -
Get it taken down -
Do whatever it takes if you care about this game -
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