Guild Wars 2

Somehow I can confidently say that the majority if your 5k hours logged is AFK….

In all the others games I’ve played. This game has the worst dev to player relationship.

The forums feel like we are talking to a brick wall.

If I was asked to review this game on those areas I’d give it such a low score they would think I was trying to sabotage the game… When in fact I love the gameplay
But hate the non existing communication

I agree with most everything said here. In addition, i’d like to add that the reward for the gameply is just too weak to compare to any other MMO out on the market. This is coming from someone who just spent 8 months working on a Legendary. Its really sad that any kind of upgrade is typically easier to accomplish with the help of the gem store.

Also, the broken difficulty level of some of the games more “chase” explorable dungeons and factals, as well as the new LS area is another source of contention and dismay in this game.

I think if Anet seriously doesn’t want to tackle these 2 issues alone and make the game more enjoyable, they should solely focus on the one good thing the game has going for it and thats WvW, since its painfully obvious they’re only out to make profit from the gem store.

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

No one said SAB is never coming back. Thats just people taking what was said to the extreme. What was said in the interview is something like: we dont see SAB fitting in the living story and we’re very focused on ensuring the quality of the LS right now so I dont see SAB being part of a living story release What he probably meant is SAB would be released in between Living story releases or perhaps during breaks like the feature as opposed to being released back to back with a living story update like it happened last time.

Galen Grey.4709:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

No one said SAB is never coming back. Thats just people taking what was said to the extreme. What was said in the interview is something like: we dont see SAB fitting in the living story and we’re very focused on ensuring the quality of the LS right now so I dont see SAB being part of a living story release What he probably meant is SAB would be released in between Living story releases or perhaps during breaks like the feature as opposed to being released back to back with a living story update like it happened last time.

Okay phew thanks for clarifying!

Trouble that I see is…

Whenever they do communicate, Anet is always talking AT us, and not TO us.

I really agree with this post 100%.

GW2 is an absolutely gorgeous breathtaking game, but it’s relatively hard to take in when you’re always zoomed out on your character while looking at slightly downward angle to constantly check for monster agro.

1st person view would really make the simple experience of running around the map 1000% more enjoyable.

I didn’t buy the game for the first year of release because the FoV was so jacked. Pretty much wrote it off as another out of touch developer.

There is no excuse for not having a slightly higher fov or adjustable value. The situation is utterly contradicted by the allowance of multi-monitor setups and the simple fact that people sit at different distances from their computer (at which they feel comfortable). Pendantic PR and an ignorant consumer base that buys it tend to only compound the issue.

Not my problem though as I speak with my dollars. The current wider fov is the smallest I’m comfortable using, fortunately. Would not mind a slightly large value though, which is why I wrote this post.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

Did the title of this thread remind anyone of this? I can assure you it’s better than shouting at the sky.

It was actually the primary reason for going through this thread (and its name-sake on Reddit), all the while humming Hall & Oates

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

Here’s a quote from the interview. You decide for yourself.

“…as to whether or not we come back to it [SAB], whether or not in some other form, you know, I can’t really say, I don’t know how likely that is and that is really all I can say about it.”

I don’t know how likely it is that we’ll come back to SAB. That sounds pretty definitive to me.

Guhracie.3419:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

Here’s a quote from the interview. You decide for yourself.

“…as to whether or not we come back to it [SAB], whether or not in some other form, you know, I can’t really say, I don’t know how likely that is and that is really all I can say about it.”

I don’t know how likely it is that we’ll come back to SAB. That sounds pretty definitive to me.

He doesn’t know how likely it is…maybe because it’s not his decision or department. It doesn’t mean they will or they won’t. My guess is it’ll come back between seasons though.

Dusty Moon.4382:

tigirius.9014:

Domino.1359:

Zardul.3952:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Zardul.3952:

we need more Real time Forum communication from a Dev or Rep ..

if we was given a day in the wee kto do this at a certain time ON THIS FORUM , ON THIS WEBSITE.

it would Fix soooooooooo many complaints

Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.

Ive been there, i played WoW for 7 years.

The communication on the forums did both Good and Bad…

but all this NO communication is just doing BAD, nothing Good is coming out of the Silent treatment.

Agreed, and this is the exact point of all these threads and chaos in-game and in our community. Such a small mistake and here is the result.

Dusty Moon: “Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.”

Actually NO Dusty Moon the games that have the best community-developer relations are those in which they A: don’t stifle complaints like they do here B: Don’t throw away 2 years of suggestions folders C: Don’t follow a completely different direction than the one they sold everyone on (Nov 2012 announcement of Ascended and Fractals) D : Have an actual player council from all player types so they can get feedback instead of E: Shying away from the playerbase because they KNOW they aren’t fulfilling their list of not just 1 set of prelaunch promises mind you but the new second set that still has yet to be done on the wiki page.

Seriously, PoE, Skyforge, Allods, STO, Diablo III, WoW, Rift, EVE all have way better relations with their playerbase and it shows in their games. The devs know what the problems are they don’t just give people lipservice like what happens here, and their feature packs are actually fixes for the real concerns of the playerbase instead of just something a couple of guys were sitting around at taco bell talking about one day, because that’s exactly what this list of Feature Pack 2 looks like. not a single actual concern from the Engineer forum is in this patch. Explain that.

Like Rift? That game was so messed up when the developers listened to whiners on the forum. It is an accident waiting to happen.

There is nothing wrong with constructive comments but most on this forum post, ‘I want the developers to answer my question’. This is not a question/answer session.

Give good decent criticism with information to back it up. Just don’t say, ‘BECAUSE I WANT IT’. Unfortunately, people on this forum are the latter not the former.

You mean that’s why it’s still getting soooo many players on a monthly basis who stay with the game for a very very long time even after going F2P because it’s so messed up? It’s got a great basis for gaming a system where they don’t take advantage of you (unlike this economy) and they actually have CASUAL things to do like housing, fishing, alternate minigames with rewards.

So how is Rift messed up again? Oh that would be they aren’t you’re just trying to support your premise that Arenanet shouldn’t listen to their playerbase because…what again? And you’ve obviously not read any of the suggestions forum, you know that place where Arenanet dumped an entire 2 years or so of great criticism great solutions and feedback about the basic necessities of mmo gameplay….because to sit there HA and lie by saying that’s all these posts are about means you really haven’t spent much time here on the forums have you? wow…I suggest you take some time out of your day and actually go educate yourself a bit more about the sheer number of important necessary updates this game needs to be back on track borne of long term player’s experiences from multiple titles along their way, not to mention multiple internet game review personalities with a passion for this title and who’ve recently also expressed concern over the silence and misdirection that these feature patches are going in. It will inform you of just how wrong you are.

Zardul.3952:

In all the others games I’ve played. This game has the worst dev to player relationship.

The forums feel like we are talking to a brick wall.

If I was asked to review this game on those areas I’d give it such a low score they would think I was trying to sabotage the game… When in fact I love the gameplay
But hate the non existing communication

Non-existant communication, you say? Could you name me one MMORPG that’s fully released in which a developer responded or remedied immediately or shortly after receiving a huge wad of complaints on the forums?

EDIT: Sometimes I think this post reminds me of this particular video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBddZ1uwtsk

Vayne.8563:

Guhracie.3419:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

Here’s a quote from the interview. You decide for yourself.

“…as to whether or not we come back to it [SAB], whether or not in some other form, you know, I can’t really say, I don’t know how likely that is and that is really all I can say about it.”

I don’t know how likely it is that we’ll come back to SAB. That sounds pretty definitive to me.

He doesn’t know how likely it is…maybe because it’s not his decision or department. It doesn’t mean they will or they won’t. My guess is it’ll come back between seasons though.

I can say with full confidence that Anet will definitely bring back SAB. They’d be fools to not capitalize on the popularity SAB brings to the table. But at the same time, they want to focus on what they have on their plate right now before switching over to the next plate or else: there would be chaos.

tigirius.9014:

Dusty Moon.4382:

tigirius.9014:

Domino.1359:

Zardul.3952:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Zardul.3952:

we need more Real time Forum communication from a Dev or Rep ..

if we was given a day in the wee kto do this at a certain time ON THIS FORUM , ON THIS WEBSITE.

it would Fix soooooooooo many complaints

Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.

Ive been there, i played WoW for 7 years.

The communication on the forums did both Good and Bad…

but all this NO communication is just doing BAD, nothing Good is coming out of the Silent treatment.

Agreed, and this is the exact point of all these threads and chaos in-game and in our community. Such a small mistake and here is the result.

Dusty Moon: “Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.”

Actually NO Dusty Moon the games that have the best community-developer relations are those in which they A: don’t stifle complaints like they do here B: Don’t throw away 2 years of suggestions folders C: Don’t follow a completely different direction than the one they sold everyone on (Nov 2012 announcement of Ascended and Fractals) D : Have an actual player council from all player types so they can get feedback instead of E: Shying away from the playerbase because they KNOW they aren’t fulfilling their list of not just 1 set of prelaunch promises mind you but the new second set that still has yet to be done on the wiki page.

Seriously, PoE, Skyforge, Allods, STO, Diablo III, WoW, Rift, EVE all have way better relations with their playerbase and it shows in their games. The devs know what the problems are they don’t just give people lipservice like what happens here, and their feature packs are actually fixes for the real concerns of the playerbase instead of just something a couple of guys were sitting around at taco bell talking about one day, because that’s exactly what this list of Feature Pack 2 looks like. not a single actual concern from the Engineer forum is in this patch. Explain that.

Like Rift? That game was so messed up when the developers listened to whiners on the forum. It is an accident waiting to happen.

There is nothing wrong with constructive comments but most on this forum post, ‘I want the developers to answer my question’. This is not a question/answer session.

Give good decent criticism with information to back it up. Just don’t say, ‘BECAUSE I WANT IT’. Unfortunately, people on this forum are the latter not the former.

You mean that’s why it’s still getting soooo many players on a monthly basis who stay with the game for a very very long time even after going F2P because it’s so messed up? It’s got a great basis for gaming a system where they don’t take advantage of you (unlike this economy) and they actually have CASUAL things to do like housing, fishing, alternate minigames with rewards.

So how is Rift messed up again? Oh that would be they aren’t you’re just trying to support your premise that Arenanet shouldn’t listen to their playerbase because…what again? And you’ve obviously not read any of the suggestions forum, you know that place where Arenanet dumped an entire 2 years or so of great criticism great solutions and feedback about the basic necessities of mmo gameplay….because to sit there HA and lie by saying that’s all these posts are about means you really haven’t spent much time here on the forums have you? wow…I suggest you take some time out of your day and actually go educate yourself a bit more about the sheer number of important necessary updates this game needs to be back on track borne of long term player’s experiences from multiple titles along their way, not to mention multiple internet game review personalities with a passion for this title and who’ve recently also expressed concern over the silence and misdirection that these feature patches are going in. It will inform you of just how wrong you are.

You’re deluding yourself. For a free to play game, Rift just isn’t that popular. I can’t imagine why you think it is.

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Dusty Moon.4382:

tigirius.9014:

Domino.1359:

Zardul.3952:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Zardul.3952:

we need more Real time Forum communication from a Dev or Rep ..

if we was given a day in the wee kto do this at a certain time ON THIS FORUM , ON THIS WEBSITE.

it would Fix soooooooooo many complaints

Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.

Ive been there, i played WoW for 7 years.

The communication on the forums did both Good and Bad…

but all this NO communication is just doing BAD, nothing Good is coming out of the Silent treatment.

Agreed, and this is the exact point of all these threads and chaos in-game and in our community. Such a small mistake and here is the result.

Dusty Moon: “Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.”

Actually NO Dusty Moon the games that have the best community-developer relations are those in which they A: don’t stifle complaints like they do here B: Don’t throw away 2 years of suggestions folders C: Don’t follow a completely different direction than the one they sold everyone on (Nov 2012 announcement of Ascended and Fractals) D : Have an actual player council from all player types so they can get feedback instead of E: Shying away from the playerbase because they KNOW they aren’t fulfilling their list of not just 1 set of prelaunch promises mind you but the new second set that still has yet to be done on the wiki page.

Seriously, PoE, Skyforge, Allods, STO, Diablo III, WoW, Rift, EVE all have way better relations with their playerbase and it shows in their games. The devs know what the problems are they don’t just give people lipservice like what happens here, and their feature packs are actually fixes for the real concerns of the playerbase instead of just something a couple of guys were sitting around at taco bell talking about one day, because that’s exactly what this list of Feature Pack 2 looks like. not a single actual concern from the Engineer forum is in this patch. Explain that.

Like Rift? That game was so messed up when the developers listened to whiners on the forum. It is an accident waiting to happen.

There is nothing wrong with constructive comments but most on this forum post, ‘I want the developers to answer my question’. This is not a question/answer session.

Give good decent criticism with information to back it up. Just don’t say, ‘BECAUSE I WANT IT’. Unfortunately, people on this forum are the latter not the former.

You mean that’s why it’s still getting soooo many players on a monthly basis who stay with the game for a very very long time even after going F2P because it’s so messed up? It’s got a great basis for gaming a system where they don’t take advantage of you (unlike this economy) and they actually have CASUAL things to do like housing, fishing, alternate minigames with rewards.

So how is Rift messed up again? Oh that would be they aren’t you’re just trying to support your premise that Arenanet shouldn’t listen to their playerbase because…what again? And you’ve obviously not read any of the suggestions forum, you know that place where Arenanet dumped an entire 2 years or so of great criticism great solutions and feedback about the basic necessities of mmo gameplay….because to sit there HA and lie by saying that’s all these posts are about means you really haven’t spent much time here on the forums have you? wow…I suggest you take some time out of your day and actually go educate yourself a bit more about the sheer number of important necessary updates this game needs to be back on track borne of long term player’s experiences from multiple titles along their way, not to mention multiple internet game review personalities with a passion for this title and who’ve recently also expressed concern over the silence and misdirection that these feature patches are going in. It will inform you of just how wrong you are.

You’re deluding yourself. For a free to play game, Rift just isn’t that popular. I can’t imagine why you think it is.

What generalization is back by this?
I see on a popular mmorpg reporting site, Rift is consistently ranked as one of the most popular games – not of course THE most popular, but by far not enough to throw it out of this discussion.

Domino.1359:

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Dusty Moon.4382:

tigirius.9014:

Domino.1359:

Zardul.3952:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Zardul.3952:

we need more Real time Forum communication from a Dev or Rep ..

if we was given a day in the wee kto do this at a certain time ON THIS FORUM , ON THIS WEBSITE.

it would Fix soooooooooo many complaints

Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.

Ive been there, i played WoW for 7 years.

The communication on the forums did both Good and Bad…

but all this NO communication is just doing BAD, nothing Good is coming out of the Silent treatment.

Agreed, and this is the exact point of all these threads and chaos in-game and in our community. Such a small mistake and here is the result.

Dusty Moon: “Actually it wouldn’t fix anything. if you look at other games, where there is more communication, what happens is the players end up yelling and having temper tantrums at the developers. It changes nothing.”

Actually NO Dusty Moon the games that have the best community-developer relations are those in which they A: don’t stifle complaints like they do here B: Don’t throw away 2 years of suggestions folders C: Don’t follow a completely different direction than the one they sold everyone on (Nov 2012 announcement of Ascended and Fractals) D : Have an actual player council from all player types so they can get feedback instead of E: Shying away from the playerbase because they KNOW they aren’t fulfilling their list of not just 1 set of prelaunch promises mind you but the new second set that still has yet to be done on the wiki page.

Seriously, PoE, Skyforge, Allods, STO, Diablo III, WoW, Rift, EVE all have way better relations with their playerbase and it shows in their games. The devs know what the problems are they don’t just give people lipservice like what happens here, and their feature packs are actually fixes for the real concerns of the playerbase instead of just something a couple of guys were sitting around at taco bell talking about one day, because that’s exactly what this list of Feature Pack 2 looks like. not a single actual concern from the Engineer forum is in this patch. Explain that.

Like Rift? That game was so messed up when the developers listened to whiners on the forum. It is an accident waiting to happen.

There is nothing wrong with constructive comments but most on this forum post, ‘I want the developers to answer my question’. This is not a question/answer session.

Give good decent criticism with information to back it up. Just don’t say, ‘BECAUSE I WANT IT’. Unfortunately, people on this forum are the latter not the former.

You mean that’s why it’s still getting soooo many players on a monthly basis who stay with the game for a very very long time even after going F2P because it’s so messed up? It’s got a great basis for gaming a system where they don’t take advantage of you (unlike this economy) and they actually have CASUAL things to do like housing, fishing, alternate minigames with rewards.

So how is Rift messed up again? Oh that would be they aren’t you’re just trying to support your premise that Arenanet shouldn’t listen to their playerbase because…what again? And you’ve obviously not read any of the suggestions forum, you know that place where Arenanet dumped an entire 2 years or so of great criticism great solutions and feedback about the basic necessities of mmo gameplay….because to sit there HA and lie by saying that’s all these posts are about means you really haven’t spent much time here on the forums have you? wow…I suggest you take some time out of your day and actually go educate yourself a bit more about the sheer number of important necessary updates this game needs to be back on track borne of long term player’s experiences from multiple titles along their way, not to mention multiple internet game review personalities with a passion for this title and who’ve recently also expressed concern over the silence and misdirection that these feature patches are going in. It will inform you of just how wrong you are.

You’re deluding yourself. For a free to play game, Rift just isn’t that popular. I can’t imagine why you think it is.

What generalization is back by this?
I see on a popular mmorpg reporting site, Rift is consistently ranked as one of the most popular games – not of course THE most popular, but by far not enough to throw it out of this discussion.

And what site would that be?

Malkavian.4516:

Zardul.3952:

In all the others games I’ve played. This game has the worst dev to player relationship.

The forums feel like we are talking to a brick wall.

If I was asked to review this game on those areas I’d give it such a low score they would think I was trying to sabotage the game… When in fact I love the gameplay
But hate the non existing communication

Non-existant communication, you say? Could you name me one MMORPG that’s fully released in which a developer responded or remedied immediately or shortly after receiving a huge wad of complaints on the forums?

EDIT: Sometimes I think this post reminds me of this particular video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBddZ1uwtsk

We aren’t necessarily talking about an actual full-time developer to communicate with us. If you took the time to read this thread, along with the 10 other threads that have popped up recently, we are full aware a developer should be busy developing.
We ARE wanting a communication liaison between us and the developers rekindled again.
This is what the original poster quoted is talking about: many games have many communication liaisons who frequently post on game updates, etc. etc. GW does not anymore.

Domino.1359:

Malkavian.4516:

Zardul.3952:

In all the others games I’ve played. This game has the worst dev to player relationship.

The forums feel like we are talking to a brick wall.

If I was asked to review this game on those areas I’d give it such a low score they would think I was trying to sabotage the game… When in fact I love the gameplay
But hate the non existing communication

Non-existant communication, you say? Could you name me one MMORPG that’s fully released in which a developer responded or remedied immediately or shortly after receiving a huge wad of complaints on the forums?

EDIT: Sometimes I think this post reminds me of this particular video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBddZ1uwtsk

We aren’t necessarily talking about an actual full-time developer to communicate with us. If you took the time to read this thread, along with the 10 other threads that have popped up recently, we are full aware a developer should be busy developing.
We ARE wanting a communication liaison between us and the developers rekindled again.
This is what the original poster quoted is talking about: many games have many communication liaisons who frequently post on game updates, etc. etc. GW does not anymore.

So your ok with “Hi thx for your post we cant tell you any thing now but things are in the works” because that about all they can say every time.

Jski.6180:

Domino.1359:

Malkavian.4516:

Zardul.3952:

In all the others games I’ve played. This game has the worst dev to player relationship.

The forums feel like we are talking to a brick wall.

If I was asked to review this game on those areas I’d give it such a low score they would think I was trying to sabotage the game… When in fact I love the gameplay
But hate the non existing communication

Non-existant communication, you say? Could you name me one MMORPG that’s fully released in which a developer responded or remedied immediately or shortly after receiving a huge wad of complaints on the forums?

EDIT: Sometimes I think this post reminds me of this particular video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBddZ1uwtsk

We aren’t necessarily talking about an actual full-time developer to communicate with us. If you took the time to read this thread, along with the 10 other threads that have popped up recently, we are full aware a developer should be busy developing.
We ARE wanting a communication liaison between us and the developers rekindled again.
This is what the original poster quoted is talking about: many games have many communication liaisons who frequently post on game updates, etc. etc. GW does not anymore.

So your ok with “Hi thx for your post we cant tell you any thing now but things are in the works” because that about all they can say every time.

I don’t know. They could go and say, these topics were discussed with devs, so they at least know about them. They may or may not accept these suggestions, but they’ve heard them and will give it some consideration.

Because in the end that’s all fans can really ask for.

So many suggestions out there and without someone just coming and saying, yes, we heard you, we understand this.

Some suggestions will get implemented and they can keep a record of those to show they do listen, so when some entitled fans think that Anet never listens, because they didn’t listen to him (or her) they can trot out the list and say, but we listened here.

The recent Destiny video interview with deej from gamescom is pretty much what i expect from devs in general. Something we haven’t seen for a long time from anet. Along with a highly functional forum, with modern utility and a search that actually works :P

ZudetGambeous.9573:

They don’t care about the small minority on the forums, they care about the vast majority of players.

They are finally producing the game I want. Maybe the problem is with you and not Anet…

SAB… worst thing to ever happen to this game, couldn’t be happier it’s gone.

FOV and 1st person view… waste of resources, not a good use of time, not how the game was meant to be played.

Commander tags… player speculation with no hard facts… about par for the course for players. I’ll withhold judgement until you know… Anet actually announces the feature.

Precursor crafting… You win on that one, Anet has really dropped the ball here.

So, instead of everyone trying to figure out where we can balance everything in the game and include what everyone wants in a certain measure, we just say “yes” to some and “no” to everyone??

That “majority” of players you speak of, are they included in the 3.5 mil copies that this game sold, or the actual 400k ppl playing it?

Just to clarify things.

ANet is listening to the majority of the non-forum goers players instead of the minority of players that come here and express their opinions…humm…ok..let me ask you this:

If that majority that doesnt come to the forums, how ANet knows what they want or not want?? 8th sense ability? Prof X works at ANet?

No, they just keep rounding small content and hoping ppl will stay a bit more. Thats all.

I have to say, I don’t really care about FoV or First Person View… It would be nice, but there are FAR more pressing concerns with GW2.

I agree with the OP… I feel Anet have lost their way and I just wish they would take notice of the things the players are asking for… especially when it’s a simple addition to existing content. Like replayable Personal Story, just like they are doing with LS.

My guild members are constantly complaining that they are bored because each patch takes them all of an hour to complete, minus the achievements which are simple enough to complete.

I personally feel that Anet need to give us something larger to do… and no waiting for a patch is not “something to do”.

Short of farming achievements which are long winded, like “Slayer”, I have literally got nothing to do in the game and find logging in for my daily is just pointless.

As the OP said. If I wasn’t a guild leader I probably would have found another game to play a while ago. Sorry Anet, I do love the game but it’s going stale… FAST!!!

In terms of communicating, once again I have to point to Star Citizen – CIG has something called Around the Verse and 10 For the Chairman and Letter from the Chairman.

They have, possibly, the best communication I’ve ever seen from an MMO developer.

The best.

Check it out (I bet Anet deletes this, or reprimands me for posting a link to another game – when they should be using it as an example to model themselves after):

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/

Ah, so Star Citizen is the next “golden child” of MMOs, I see.

(yawn) We’ll see in a year after release when the locusts abandon it in droves for not giving them everything they want and nothing they don’t.

See also; every other MMO in existance.

chemiclord.3978:

Ah, so Star Citizen is the next “golden child” of MMOs, I see.

(yawn) We’ll see in a year after release when the locusts abandon it in droves for not giving them everything they want and nothing they don’t.

See also; every other MMO in existance.

That’s totally fair. Just as GW2 was once that ‘Golden Child’ as you put it.

But I don’t see anything else on the horizon – except maybe Archeage, and although it is sand-boxy, everything else about it says, ‘generic fantasy MMO’ to me, so I’m not interested.

Beyond Star Citizen, I am waiting to see what people will come up with for the Oculus Rift (and, btw, Star Citizen has some partial content for the Oculus Rift, with plans to slowly – over time – incorporate more into the game).

chemiclord.3978:

Ah, so Star Citizen is the next “golden child” of MMOs, I see.

(yawn) We’ll see in a year after release when the locusts abandon it in droves for not giving them everything they want and nothing they don’t.

See also; every other MMO in existance.

What happened to Wildstar?

There’s always something to look forward to, until it gets here. Everquest Next is also far enough away to be all hype and no reality.

ipan.4356:

In terms of communicating, once again I have to point to Star Citizen – CIG has something called Around the Verse and 10 For the Chairman and Letter from the Chairman.

They have, possibly, the best communication I’ve ever seen from an MMO developer.

The best.

Check it out (I bet Anet deletes this, or reprimands me for posting a link to another game – when they should be using it as an example to model themselves after):

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/

Its true everyone enjoys that content for free but you also do realise those are actually being funded by people paying $15 a month for nothing else but that content and supporting the game of course.

Well except the letter for the chairman which basically Chris sits down and writes after his company earns a nice round 1 million dollars.

Not shooting down Star citizen, I already bought it myself but lets be objective, communication is like their entire business model right now. What they have released so far looks amazing but isnt really that good, still needs a ton of work. Will get there, not saying its a lost cause, the foundation is great but I dont think they’d get nearly as much money without investing so heavily on communication.

I can personally think of SWTOR and TSW (that are currently live, not shut down or in beta/alpha) for a constant flow of communication not from just liaisons but from developers as well. Those are the only two, besides GW2, that I constantly switch to.

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Galen Grey.4709:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

No one said SAB is never coming back. Thats just people taking what was said to the extreme. What was said in the interview is something like: we dont see SAB fitting in the living story and we’re very focused on ensuring the quality of the LS right now so I dont see SAB being part of a living story release What he probably meant is SAB would be released in between Living story releases or perhaps during breaks like the feature as opposed to being released back to back with a living story update like it happened last time.

But this is were Silence is bad, a LARGE player base thinks it isnt coming back, and all anet has to do is post, “yes it will be back, but give us time to fix some of out broken stuff 1st” BUT NOOO!!!!!! anet wont speak, witch to some means even more so than before there will be no SAB.

So yes we need communication.

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Well that’s the thing. The console thing is always going to drive numbers up. But in the end it might all come to nothing.

Console gamers are greater in number than computer gamers at this point. Before Skyrim launched, they said they expected to get 90% of their sales from consoles. Just the idea that there are so few console MMOs out there means that there’ll be less competition and more interest.

I would almost find it inconceivable that a game available on console wouldn’t have higher concurrency early on compared to a game on computers.

Faux.1937:

But this is were Silence is bad, a LARGE player base thinks it isnt coming back,

What? Anet announces something in large letters with pictures on their main website and most of the players still don’t know about it until after it goes live. An offhand comment during an interview on some website? 99% of the players haven’t even heard about it.

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

ehhh mmm okey… Sit down before I tell you this… The golden mmo child (if you want to measure by concurrency) is already here. League of legends managed 7.5m concurrent players.

Faux.1937:

Galen Grey.4709:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

No one said SAB is never coming back. Thats just people taking what was said to the extreme. What was said in the interview is something like: we dont see SAB fitting in the living story and we’re very focused on ensuring the quality of the LS right now so I dont see SAB being part of a living story release What he probably meant is SAB would be released in between Living story releases or perhaps during breaks like the feature as opposed to being released back to back with a living story update like it happened last time.

But this is were Silence is bad, a LARGE player base thinks it isnt coming back, and all anet has to do is post, “yes it will be back, but give us time to fix some of out broken stuff 1st” BUT NOOO!!!!!! anet wont speak, witch to some means even more so than before there will be no SAB.

So yes we need communication.

And if they do that and dont plan to say bring back before next year, every single month that it doesnt come back will re-enforce player’s believe that Arenanet Lie and tell us what we want to hear just so we stop causing trouble.

Communication can do good but it can also do bad.

Vayne.8563:

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Well that’s the thing. The console thing is always going to drive numbers up. But in the end it might all come to nothing.

Console gamers are greater in number than computer gamers at this point. Before Skyrim launched, they said they expected to get 90% of their sales from consoles. Just the idea that there are so few console MMOs out there means that there’ll be less competition and more interest.

I would almost find it inconceivable that a game available on console wouldn’t have higher concurrency early on compared to a game on computers.

That and how many MMOs do console owners have to choose from compared to the PC ?

Vayne.8563:

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Well that’s the thing. The console thing is always going to drive numbers up. But in the end it might all come to nothing.

Console gamers are greater in number than computer gamers at this point. Before Skyrim launched, they said they expected to get 90% of their sales from consoles. Just the idea that there are so few console MMOs out there means that there’ll be less competition and more interest.

I would almost find it inconceivable that a game available on console wouldn’t have higher concurrency early on compared to a game on computers.

According to this there are number PC gamers than console games now. Note it’s based on some analyst report, though.
And to be fair, it’s targeting the FPS crowd.

Galen Grey.4709:

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

ehhh mmm okey… Sit down before I tell you this… The golden mmo child (if you want to measure by concurrency) is already here. League of legends managed 7.5m concurrent players.

I was continuing the trend of the next killer MMO. The key words are ‘next’ and ‘child’. LoL isn’t a child anymore. :P

Galen Grey.4709:

Faux.1937:

Galen Grey.4709:

redux.1502:

Wait SAB isn’t coming back ever??
I never got to play during SAB or the Back to School event!
That was the one thing (outside the LS) that I was extremely excited to finally play someday. On top of the skins, I just wanted to experience it…
PLEASE bring SAB back Anet.

No one said SAB is never coming back. Thats just people taking what was said to the extreme. What was said in the interview is something like: we dont see SAB fitting in the living story and we’re very focused on ensuring the quality of the LS right now so I dont see SAB being part of a living story release What he probably meant is SAB would be released in between Living story releases or perhaps during breaks like the feature as opposed to being released back to back with a living story update like it happened last time.

But this is were Silence is bad, a LARGE player base thinks it isnt coming back, and all anet has to do is post, “yes it will be back, but give us time to fix some of out broken stuff 1st” BUT NOOO!!!!!! anet wont speak, witch to some means even more so than before there will be no SAB.

So yes we need communication.

And if they do that and dont plan to say bring back before next year, every single month that it doesnt come back will re-enforce player’s believe that Arenanet Lie and tell us what we want to hear just so we stop causing trouble.

Communication can do good but it can also do bad.

They dont need to same when, just that yes it will come back… thats better than thinking it may never come back.

“Communication can do good but it can also do bad. " You will never make everyone happy, but whats worst is letter your community get out of hand making so called “riots” posting on multi forums, videos, etc… its better to put out a small fire with controlled fire than letter it engulf and grow.

TheMaskedGamer.5708:

You are seriously overreacting. The game is going to be 2 years old soon, and the game is starting to improve dramatically since its launch and the year after. You and everybody should stop acting like they are entitled to everything there is in the game and expect everything to be there. The road ANet is going through has been a common road for other MMOs (INCLUDING WoW back in its vanilla days), where the first thing they focus on is to make the game playable, then add stuff to add a variety of activities to expand the gameplay, and to add quality of life stuff to make the game enjoyable to play. Guild Wars 2 hasn’t reached its full potential yet. Its still a very young game. And like anything, it need to grow. Give them time, cause they aren’t exactly working with Blizzard’s amount of money in their pockets.

so basically, this is going to quickly turn into a dead game (compared to it’s earlier days) and everyone is gonna hate it, just like WoW

side note that is actually on topic, one time i did see someone mention they wish they could do first person combat, and when they mentioned it, tons of other people started agreeing that they also really wanted it

I bought an infinite continue coin and got all of 1 day in the SAB in its last iteration.

It has been clogging up my bank with me expecting the SAB back for April Fools, then again around now (to coincide with the two releases next year).

Then we get this… it feels, really, like a big fat slap in the face.

Galen Grey.4709:

ipan.4356:

In terms of communicating, once again I have to point to Star Citizen – CIG has something called Around the Verse and 10 For the Chairman and Letter from the Chairman.

They have, possibly, the best communication I’ve ever seen from an MMO developer.

The best.

Check it out (I bet Anet deletes this, or reprimands me for posting a link to another game – when they should be using it as an example to model themselves after):

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/

Its true everyone enjoys that content for free but you also do realise those are actually being funded by people paying $15 a month for nothing else but that content and supporting the game of course.

Well except the letter for the chairman which basically Chris sits down and writes after his company earns a nice round 1 million dollars.

Not shooting down Star citizen, I already bought it myself but lets be objective, communication is like their entire business model right now. What they have released so far looks amazing but isnt really that good, still needs a ton of work. Will get there, not saying its a lost cause, the foundation is great but I dont think they’d get nearly as much money without investing so heavily on communication.

Aaaannnnndddd, we have a winner!

Star Citizen’s company is communicating so much because they’re soliciting funds. ANet talked an awful lot pre-launch, back when their prospective customers’ money was still in their prospective customers’ pockets. Now? We’ve paid. Sure, ANet wants us to buy gems, but the company-customer dynamic here is radically different than it was before GW2 came out. Star Citizen is using crowd-funding, which puts them in a place where they need to communicate even more than ANet did pre-launch. Their position is kind of like ANet needing to sell NCSoft on GW2 way back when.

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Destiny does look really good – but I’m not a console player.

ipan.4356:

BlueZone.4236:

You guys are wrong. Destiny is the next MMO golden child (and it’s only semi-MMO and on consoles), with 853k concurrent players during its beta.
That’s compared to GW2’s beta which only had 400k concurrent players at its peak.

Destiny does look really good – but I’m not a console player.

I’m not a big FPS fan, but I loved the beta. If it does well enough, i imagine a port to PC isn’t out of the question. I’d love to see anet do what bungie has done with their feedback forums and consolidate all their feeds to one place. Not to mention how bungie tells players about their direction.

That would be cool, but don’t hold your breath.

ipan.4356:

That would be cool, but don’t hold your breath.

Tentative (leaked) release date on PC, March 2015.

I don’t really do forums outside of GW, but after seeing how “other” companies do forums, i feel like we are in the stone age here. It’s kinda frustrating at times.

There is only one MMO that will usurp WoW and truly be the TRUE Golden Child (truly) of MMOs now and forever! And all it needs is someone to make it!

Days of Our Lives Online!

Hmm. What if that was the rumored big top secret Anet project…

IndigoSundown.5419:

Aaaannnnndddd, we have a winner!

Star Citizen’s company is communicating so much because they’re soliciting funds. ANet talked an awful lot pre-launch, back when their prospective customers’ money was still in their prospective customers’ pockets. Now? We’ve paid. Sure, ANet wants us to buy gems, but the company-customer dynamic here is radically different than it was before GW2 came out. Star Citizen is using crowd-funding, which puts them in a place where they need to communicate even more than ANet did pre-launch. Their position is kind of like ANet needing to sell NCSoft on GW2 way back when.

Thats not exactly what I was focusing on though. Communication has a price attached to it. Star Citizen is a good example. A lot of people payed a ton of money. Star Citizen promised a lot (tends to happen when you have a lot of communication) What happens when those people dont get what they want… Please note I specifically said and it isnt a mistake, when those people dont get what they want and not what they where promised. Star Citizen are living a golden age right now but there is a good chance all this will turn ugly. Of course its possible they might manage to deliver all they promised in a way that satisfies everyone but then again even saying it, it sounds impossible task to achieve even for the most technically proficient people in the world because we humans tend to want more then it is in fact possible.

and this is a vital part and a huge pitfall of communication. Developer Say X lets switch back to Gw2. In the manifesto they said " it doesn’t make you spend hours preparing to have fun rather than just having fun". What a lot of people understood by that is, it will be easy to get BiS. What Arenanet did was make gear entirely optional. In truth both are a solution to the same problem. While in MMO X I need to repeat this raid to get this gear tier which will then allow me to access fun content A much less beat it, in Gw2 right when I reach max level without bothering to get a single piece of gear beyond what dropped / was awarded to me through the personal story I can go in play whatever content and finish it successfully. But based on how often that line is quoted as a lie because of how long it takes to get a full set of ascended gear it is quite clear for a lot of people its not about an implementing something that satisfies “a promise” its about implementing that feature in the way I am expecting it to be implemented. Thats where it gets pretty dangerous for Star Citizen but of course if that danger is netting you about 1 million every two weeks its most certainly a danger worth having

Tachenon.5270:

There is only one MMO that will usurp WoW and truly be the TRUE Golden Child (truly) of MMOs now and forever! And all it needs is someone to make it!

Days of Our Lives Online!

Only if they have an Amnesiac Evil Twin class.

@Afro Dude, you are right indeed.

I’ve learnt to not bother asking ANet of anything. They have one of the worst dev-to-player relationships in MMOs, tbh.

Thanks for your post, though. I’m glad to see I’m not one of few to think the same for a longer time now.

People are so easily satisfied nowadays that they couldn’t care less about the major weaknesses of the game as well as suggestions, as you pointed them out ( look at those “you know kitten”, “your 5k hours mean nothing” etc. comments above ).