Guild Wars 2

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

The funny part of this stuff stuff is, there are only three possibilities:

1. ANet has many employees and is very inefficient in producing stuff (which many got the impression from what we get with the LS as content)

2. ANet is using most of its staff to produce an expansion, which is at least a year away (an expansion would need an elder dragon as hype factor and we are still short Mordi, ANet would not release two elder dragons in less than a year)

3. ANet works on a new GW game, rendering GW2 more or less futile.

Pick one, but honestly, all three options suck. Years with near to no new content? AT least another year with near to no new content? Waiting years for GW3?

That stuff really sounds amazing!

First of all, the argument that “another elder dragon” is the only thing you think an expansion could be about is a bad argument.

Why can’t an expansion be about fighting our way to Elona?

Anyway, as my post history is largely positive, your post history has shown your colors. Why should anyone believe someone who doesn’t like the game?

In retrospect, I wish the Personal Story had offered a choice of dragons to confront: Big Z, J-mag, or Mr. Kralky, depending on which story branches we chose. That would have been cool. Especially for altaholics like me. Plus, that would be three less dragons to worry about, all in one swell foop. Fighting — six, is it? — dragons, one at a time… yeah. Gonna get old. So old as to be… wait for it… elder! Heh. Heh heh.

So I’m with Vayne on this: if there is an expansion, let’s go to Elona! Heck, even if there’s a dragon there, maybe it and ol’ Palawa Joko could be all entrenched in a big old conflict of their own, and we could be like adds coming along just at the right (or wrong, depending on one’s perspective) moment to dominate. Kreegah bundolo!

Alternately, maybe the Great Collapse was not just a great collapse, and maybe the Queen’s Pavilion was (hastily!) built over it to hide it’s true purpose: we’re digging a hole… to Cantha! An expansion could be about that grand and glorious (if somewhat illogical) undertaking, with strange subterranean zones full of blind (or not) subterranean monsters and strange subterranean cultures and, heck, maybe Tyria (the planet) is hollow like the Earth (see: Pellucidar) and has more ‘land’ on the inside than on the outside. Ahem.

TL;DR — I feel we should have mostly wrapped up the dragon stuff by now and be well on our way to dealing with something else somewhat less draconic.

OP, please don’t speak for me. I am more than satisfied with the latest Living World installments. I’ve been a ‘believer’ pretty much since the Tower of Nightmares. That was when it all started to feel really click and feel cohesive for me.

An expansion would be icing on the cake. But I really couldn’t care if they didn’t add a skill, a race or a profession in the next 2 years. I will still be playing. GW2 is one of my games of the decade so far and I will be more than happy to experience what the developers are cooking Living Story-wise for the forseeable future without the anticipation of an expansion. I do believe there is one in the works however, I just dont need it to enjoy the game as it is right now.

Please keep things in perspective…

Guild Wars 2 is a buy-to-play game. The fact they are even developing the content they are at the rate they are purely off of box sales at release and gems is a minor miracle imho. No other MMO on the market is really offering what Guild Wars 2 is doing. Many have promised a ‘living breathing world that develops as time passes, as you play’. Many have failed. Asherons Call and Runescape ‘back in the day’ are the few MMO’s that succeeded in creating a living breathing world that devloped story-wise at the rate GW2 is doing.

Blizzard would rather have us buy their boxed expansion and pay a sub-fee to keep us on a gear treadmill in perpetuity. With their infinite pool of money they could be doing so much more. Anet is proving that.

SW:TOR, Lotro and many others chase the F2P model which no-doubt keeps their studios alive but imho steals the soul of the game when everything is behind a pay-wall. Unlocking dungeons by literally throwing money at the screen doesn’t immerse me in the game world.

EDIT: Hypothetically, if an expansion was to be announced and the internet gaming consciousness passed their ADHD-like gaze once more over GW2 even briefly, I believe that GW2 could gain a huge resurgence of popularity and players. The game and its community are very much alive and kicking. Which is more than can be said for recent MMO releases that people thought threatened GW2’s very existence. We have arguably one of the best fantasy MMO’s on the market and it only gets better by the week.

Now im not saying Metacritic scores are the be all and end all of opinion, but with a current Metacritic user-score of 7.9 what do you think we would have now if all those reviews were re-reviewed? I assume that most of them were made at release (as is the case with most metacritic reviews, they are mostly knee-jerk imho) so what does that score look like now?

fireflyry.7023:

Does’nt mean much to me personally, or at all. It’s not like he’s gonna state “…walked into Anet HQ…nobody there…except….ZOMBIES!!!”

“..working on stuff..”…How ambiguous can someone be…of course they are working “on stuff” they are running an MMO there’s always “stuff” to be “worked on” and people in cubicles doing that “stuff”. It’s an on-line MMO….could be they were doing day-to-day maintenance and kicking haxors for all we know. Seems a pretty far fetched translation to adhere that to some form of epic content on the horizon.

Happy to be proved wrong.

No he wouldn’t state there was no one there except zombies. But he wouldn’t likely state there were hundreds of people working there if he didn’t see it.

Just because he wouldn’t state one thing doesn’t mean that the things he does state are false.

And he did say directly that he couldn’t talk about stuff. People who work for these sites are told what they aren’t allowed to say. Do you really think if he found out Anet was working on an expansion Anet would give him the go ahead to say it? Cause I don’t.

Like I say it’s all a bit ambiguous.

Could have been just another day at the office and not being allowed to talk about “stuff” could go from extremes of another lame- kitten backpiece being made to GW3 dropping in 2 hours.

Who knows?

Given the current state of the game I’d say it would still be 7.9.

Seems fair.

Vayne.8563:

Other people have seen people say it. I certainly have. You can doubt me if you want, but it’s been said, and more than once. Just as people have said Anet isn’t talking because they have nothing to talk about.

Nothing to talk about =/= not doing anything.

Nothing to talk about = nothing worth announcing.

I mean, we can all agree that they’re definitely working on new cash shop items, but that’s clearly nothing to talk about.
We can all agree they’re working on new living story, but that’s nothing to talk about.

fireflyry.7023:

Like I say it’s all a bit ambiguous.

Could have been just another day at the office and not being allowed to talk about “stuff” could go from extremes of another lame- kitten backpiece being made to GW3 dropping in 2 hours.

Who knows?

Right hundreds of people are working on a back piece. Do some math.

We know that 20 people work on the living story because they told us. We know there are over 300 employees at Anet. One can assume that 280 plus employees are not bringing the other 20 guys coffee for a living.

Which means they’re working on stuff. That has ALWAYS been the logic. The people who say otherwise are disenfranchised with the game and/or Anet’s policy of not communicating.

There are a lot of possible reasons why Anet might not be revealing plans. One of them I’ve brought up frequently but there are others.

The logic is, bigger projects are being worked on. You don’t have to accept it, that’s fine.

@vayne

question that you ignored… why do you think anet is so tight lipped about development while other games are more transparent through public testing realms and communicate openly about potential or in the works development?

also…

Vayne to Tachenon “Your post would be relevant”

Swagger to Vayne “Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.”

Vayne to Swagger “In your opinion”

later on in the thread…

Kaiyanwan to Vayne (too big to quote but basically saying that unknowns are irrelevant)

Vayne to Kaiyanwan “It’s not irrelevant to me, it may be irrelevant to you and that’s okay. You don’t get to judge what’s irrelevant to other people.”

this is not a personal attack, just wanted to say that you are not superior to anyone here on the forums. if you want to make a thread then be prepared to have different views that are related to the topic. I understand if there is a comment that is off topic and completely unrelated, but you cannot sit there in your chair and be a hypocritical relevancy judge and jury to suit your needs.

yes, my question is related to your op.

Vayne.8563:

Right hundreds of people are working on a back piece. Do some math.

We know that 20 people work on the living story because they told us. We know there are over 300 employees at Anet. One can assume that 280 plus employees are not bringing the other 20 guys coffee for a living.

Which means they’re working on stuff. That has ALWAYS been the logic. The people who say otherwise are disenfranchised with the game and/or Anet’s policy of not communicating.

There are a lot of possible reasons why Anet might not be revealing plans. One of them I’ve brought up frequently but there are others.

The logic is, bigger projects are being worked on. You don’t have to accept it, that’s fine.

It’s not about that my friend, it’s about getting excited over speculation for something we have no proof or merit on outside hearsay.

When it comes to gaming I’m not that gullible. Some dude walking into Anet and seeing 100,000 people in the office working means nothing to me as a gamer. NOTHING.

I’ve been gaming to long to place merit in such things.

Swagger.1459:

Swagger.1459:

Vayne.8563:

Tachenon.5270:

Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:

• creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
• daily Elvis lookalike contests
• playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
• mounted precursor dueling
• bunny juggling
• turtle races
• redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning

So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp7130Bjec4

It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.

Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.

Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.

But people have said that. This is the answer to that.

Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.

Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.

@vayne

question that you ignored… why do you think anet is so tight lipped about development while other games are more transparent through public testing realms and communicate openly about potential or in the works development?

also…

Vayne to Tachenon “Your post would be relevant”…

Swagger to Vayne “Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.”

Vayne to Swagger “In your opinion”

Kaiyanwan to Vayne (too big to quote but basically saying that unknowns are irrelevant)

Vayne to Kaiyanwan “It’s not irrelevant to me, it may be irrelevant to you and that’s okay. You don’t get to judge what’s irrelevant to other people.”…

this is not a personal attack, just wanted to say that you are not superior to anyone here on the forums. if you want to make a thread then be prepared to have different views that are related to the topic. I understand if there is a comment that is off topic and completely unrelated, but you cannot sit there in your chair and be a hypocritical relevancy judge and jury to suit your needs.

yes, my question is related to your op.

I made a thread about one thing. People are bringing up other things. Those things may be relevant to them. They have nothing to do with what I’m saying. It really is that simple.

Many of those people have a dislike for me from many other threads and no matter what I post, they’ll jump on it. It almost doesn’t matter.

So forgive me for not taking what each of them says at face value. I don’t, and neither should you.

Sorry Vayne, as much as I enjoy reading your posts highlighting your vehement defence of anything ANET/GW2.. I really cannot for the life of me understand the point of putting this out here.
What does it really prove.. that ANET employs a range of people to do “stuff”…
Fact is I employ a few people to do “stuff” but anyone knowing my business/projects will still have no idea what “stuff” those people are working on unless it is directly linked to “stuff” you own, order, and are responsible for.
Simple fact of the matter is that journo has no idea what he was seeing other than people doing “stuff”.. was it stuff related to day to day ANET business, was it other “stuff” not related to GW2 or was it “stuff” specific for GW2?.. if so what is it and will it ever make it into real live content.. you, I, the journo, the paperboy, the maid, my aunt, your pet goldfish – none of us know nowt, but that still does not mean ANET are working on specific “stuff” or other “stuff” and only ANET know.
No one in their right mind really thinks that ANET are doing nothing, cos if they are they sure do pay a lot out each month to do nowt.

So I ask, what is your point, what is your proof that this in anyway means GW2 is going to get any more than what we are already getting (don’t get me wrong I hope they are and would expect them to be— >working on lots more “stuff”).
Your are in danger of becoming one of the many who like to speculate, contemplate and .. guess by way of opinion and conjecture.. just like those people your attempting to silence by this.. sorry, but I see this as nothing more than an over extension of your own beliefs.

To be honest, the only thing that anyone has to worry about is whether the game is fun for them, is it worth the time they have/want/will invest and do they feel there really are unicorns worth chasing over the big ole rainbow… the model they have in place allows easy and free movement across MMO space and then come back when they are ready if they so choose. That said, as along as GW2 has power running from the switch there will be a need for “stuff” to be done whether it be store fluff, bug fixing, routine maintenance, accountancy, budgeting, oh and development for the future where possible, when possible, if possible).

Let’s all hold our breath and hope for the unicorns, failing that a butterfly hunt.

wasted.6817:

I’am quiet sceptical about this. I’am not saying i believe they’re not working on it, but if in the end it turns out that they’re not working on it, then i won’t have much to say about this except, not like i expected any better. The “stuff” they’re working on doesn’t really mean anything, obviously they’re working on stuff, the real question here, is this stuff an expansion or something comparable, or just future episodes and feature packs etc. In one of his recent videos WP said that he believes that the reason that they’re not telling anything about expansion is not to make players think: “oh, i might then put off GW2 for now, untill expansion comes out, then i’am gonna play”. … How do you even come up with something like that. Imo it’s a worst case of wishful thinking. They might be quiet about that because they started to work on it not that long ago, so it’s in the early stages of development, that’s what i think. I would love to be wrong in the end, but for now there’s no reason to think otherwise or to believe in something.

Then you haven’t properly listened to what WP said in that video or misinterpreted it. He made a very valid point. You must understand GW2’s only source of income is gemstore. Box sales do happen occasionally but that infographic Anet posted more than a year ago had 4+ mil sales on it and that number hasn’t reached 5 mil yet 1 year later. Even so, people who bought the game in the last 18 months prolly got it with one of the many 50% off deals anet has been putting out. So I think we can safely assume Gemstore is where all the money comes from currently. Usually the people who are the most vocal on forums like this are also people who are the most hardcore type of players. As the average casual player who plays 2 hours/day prolly won’t consume the content anet delivers faster than they create it. Hardcore players are also the one spending the most money in gemstore. If they announce a huge expansion/content patch now regardless of if it’s free or not, I’m willing to be a large part of the people regularly buying gem is going to put the game down until it comes out and thus no longer generating revenue. It’s a simply psychological reaction you can read about in any good marketing related books. By keeping LS the main thing and essentially stringing along the playerbase and giving them small sips of content every two weeks you keep those hardcore players somewhat attached to the game, attached enough to be spending gems, even though they might rant about the game all day I can assure you they’re still all spending gems. Again it’s a psychological thing and a trick many companies (not just gaming but companies in general) use to keep customers attached and keep spending money. Give them too much to look forward too and it can hurt your sales. Give them too little and they’ll leave too. Anet sometimes comes too close to ‘too little’ but they mostly balance it out quite nicely. I do firmly believe they are working on something big to be released somewhere next year. Prolly after the summer holidays. However announcing it now wouldn’t be too smart. If we assume an october release for an expansion/content patch we’d prolly get an announcement early q2 next year and beta will start a couple weeks/months after. I do think however it will not be any type of expansion like we are all used to from other games. It might cost money/gems but I don’t think we will be seeing another box sale type product.

Vayne.8563:

Swagger.1459:

Swagger.1459:

Vayne.8563:

Tachenon.5270:

Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:

• creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
• daily Elvis lookalike contests
• playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
• mounted precursor dueling
• bunny juggling
• turtle races
• redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning

So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp7130Bjec4

It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.

Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.

Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.

But people have said that. This is the answer to that.

Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.

Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.

@vayne

question that you ignored… why do you think anet is so tight lipped about development while other games are more transparent through public testing realms and communicate openly about potential or in the works development?

also…

Vayne to Tachenon “Your post would be relevant”…

Swagger to Vayne “Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.”

Vayne to Swagger “In your opinion”

Kaiyanwan to Vayne (too big to quote but basically saying that unknowns are irrelevant)

Vayne to Kaiyanwan “It’s not irrelevant to me, it may be irrelevant to you and that’s okay. You don’t get to judge what’s irrelevant to other people.”…

this is not a personal attack, just wanted to say that you are not superior to anyone here on the forums. if you want to make a thread then be prepared to have different views that are related to the topic. I understand if there is a comment that is off topic and completely unrelated, but you cannot sit there in your chair and be a hypocritical relevancy judge and jury to suit your needs.

yes, my question is related to your op.

I made a thread about one thing. People are bringing up other things. Those things may be relevant to them. They have nothing to do with what I’m saying. It really is that simple.

Many of those people have a dislike for me from many other threads and no matter what I post, they’ll jump on it. It almost doesn’t matter.

So forgive me for not taking what each of them says at face value. I don’t, and neither should you.

then you have to think about what you are doing to generate such responses from the community at large here on the forums.

my question still remains unanswered…

Bloodstealer, I have never supported Anet’s silence policy. Nor have I supported the trait changes. There are things I like and things I don’t like. Trying to paint me as someone who only says positive things is factually wrong.

However, that doesn’t mean I like when people make stuff up or exaggerate to try to make a point. In this instance I’m doing neither.

I’m responding to a small section of the forum who have said some things for which they have no evidence. This may mean nothing, but it’s certainly more evidence than those posters had, particularly the ones saying Anet is doing nothing…and it has been said.

And since that’s all I’m trying to say, I don’t really see an issue.

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer, I have never supported Anet’s silence policy. Nor have I supported the trait changes. There are things I like and things I don’t like. Trying to paint me as someone who only says positive things is factually wrong.

However, that doesn’t mean I like when people make stuff up or exaggerate to try to make a point. In this instance I’m doing neither.

I’m responding to a small section of the forum who have said some things for which they have no evidence. This may mean nothing, but it’s certainly more evidence than those posters had, particularly the ones saying Anet is doing nothing…and it has been said.

And since that’s all I’m trying to say, I don’t really see an issue.

But your failing to see that what you think is more evidence is actually nothing more than Joe Blogs looking through my window and seeing a few people sat at some PC’s doing something.. doesn’t mean its stuff for them or stuff for others.. so it is evidence of , well, nothing.

As I said.. no one believes ANET is doing nothing, anyone with the tinniest bit of common can work that out so why even post if only to say.. “there, look, told you they are doing stuff”.. the tea lady might of being prepping tomorrow’s cake trolley menu in PowerPoint.. its after all stuff, not that the journo would know any different.

So yay you got a one up on the masses speaking out of turn, thinking the ANET building is devoid of activity.. well done.. can we get the thread removed now and move on… also can I reserve a cake from the menu plz?

Bloodstealer.5978:

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer, I have never supported Anet’s silence policy. Nor have I supported the trait changes. There are things I like and things I don’t like. Trying to paint me as someone who only says positive things is factually wrong.

However, that doesn’t mean I like when people make stuff up or exaggerate to try to make a point. In this instance I’m doing neither.

I’m responding to a small section of the forum who have said some things for which they have no evidence. This may mean nothing, but it’s certainly more evidence than those posters had, particularly the ones saying Anet is doing nothing…and it has been said.

And since that’s all I’m trying to say, I don’t really see an issue.

But your failing to see that what you think is more evidence is actually nothing more than Joe Blogs looking through my window and seeing a few people sat at some PC’s doing something.. doesn’t mean its stuff for them or stuff for others.. so it is evidence of , well, nothing.

As I said.. no one believes ANET is doing nothing, anyone with the tinniest bit of common can work that out so why even post if only to say.. “there, look, told you they are doing stuff”.. the tea lady might of being prepping tomorrow’s cake trolley menu in PowerPoint.. its after all stuff, not that the journo would know any different.

So yay you got a one up on the masses speaking out of turn, thinking the ANET building is devoid of activity.. well done.. can we get the thread removed now and move on… also can I reserve a cake from the menu plz?

I’m not failing to see anything. You saying it doesn’t make it so.

Given the reputation of the site, vs a random guy on the forum, I’d personally rather take the word of someone who’s been there, than someone who has no evidence at all.

I wish Anet would tell us directly what’s going on. I’ve said it before. I made my own thread about it.

But that doesn’t stop this from having significance TO ME.

I’ve been maintaining a belief that the Living world is basically a pre Expansion build up..

couple of years of a Living world story then a expansion pack then a few more living world etc

when you really look at Guildwars 2 it’s just too big to not have expansions.. and Gw1 left a huge Lore void behind that we are only just now starting to see get some tlc

look at the personal Story and the battle with Zhaitan… can you honestly say the living world could justify a campaign against a Elder Dragon?

Zhaitan was a huge disappointment and that had a whole dungeon dedicated to him
I just can’t see the Living world taking us into a colossal battle with the Elder dragons on such a large scale

I believe that the Living world will be used as a medium to build up the groundwork for a expansion while keeping the playerbase coming back for regular content updates

Teratus.2859:

I’ve been maintaining a belief that the Living world is basically a pre Expansion build up..

Pretty much same page here.

My concern is only the time frame. This game and community are chomping for a full expansion, coin in hand, NOW.

If it comes in a year or two…well….will gamers have moved on?

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Like one poster said in the past, these forums would have been better off if you hadn’t posted at all.

I hope a mod calls you out for that.

Totally uncalled for and off-topic.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

Actually this thread isn’t an I told you so thread. You really don’t get it?

This writer felt that people are talking nonsense. He felt strongly enough about it to add it as an aside to an article about something else. Now it’s not just me, it’s me and that author. Because if he didn’t hear those things, there would be no reason at all to add that aside.

Me pointing this out to the forums is just giving them more information for each person to do what they want with.

People who have decided stuff already, those people are NOT going to change their minds. Karla Gray isn’t going to start a Guild Wars 2 fan club. But those aren’t the people that this is aimed at. There are people who haven’t made up their minds. Who don’t know. Who would like more information even if it’s not definite information.

If Anet were providing us this information this writer wouldn’t have had to write this. Anet isn’t. And since he wrote it, I thought I’d share it.

Still not sure what your problem with that is.

Vayne.8563:

Right hundreds of people are working on a back piece. Do some math.

We know that 20 people work on the living story because they told us. We know there are over 300 employees at Anet. One can assume that 280 plus employees are not bringing the other 20 guys coffee for a living.

Of the 280 people not working on the Living Story, how many of them would you guess are working in accounting? Accounts receivable? Marketing? Community relations? Public relations? Human resources? Security? How many are custodians? Receptionists? Building maintenance? Management? Does ArenaNet’s headquarters have an on-site cafeteria? If so, how many people prepare and serve food? How many people are working on next Tuesday’s cash shop items? How many of them are in quality assurance? How many of them maintain the website? Or work on in-game bugs?

The point is this, 280 people not working on the Living Story does not mean 280 people are working on some other project.

Vayne.8563:

Which means they’re working on stuff. That has ALWAYS been the logic. The people who say otherwise are disenfranchised with the game and/or Anet’s policy of not communicating.

As I just illustrated, 300 people working at ArenaNet doesn’t mean 300 people are working on Guild Wars 2. There are a lot of positions within at a video game developer whose function has nothing to do with video games.

Vayne.8563:

There are a lot of possible reasons why Anet might not be revealing plans. One of them I’ve brought up frequently but there are others.

The logic is, bigger projects are being worked on. You don’t have to accept it, that’s fine.

“Bigger projects” is a highly subjective term. If you’re implying in any way that an expansion (or content one would traditionally find in an expansion) is under development, then that’s faulty logic. There’s literally no basis for such an assumption. If you’re simply implying they’re working on “stuff”, then you’re telling us what we already know.

Vayne.8563:

People who work for these sites are told what they aren’t allowed to say. Do you really think if he found out Anet was working on an expansion Anet would give him the go ahead to say it? Cause I don’t.

Then it seems he wasn’t allowed to say anything. Which begs the question – what he was even there for?

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Grasping at straws, this thread is~

……………..snip………………

Five years from now, when they game is still fine, people will be telling us it’s dying.

…………..snip ………………..

.

Who stays with any mmo for more than a year?

I gave GW1 7 years….CoH maybe 4-5.

It happens…and I don’t play WoW, EverQuest, EvE, etc.

Drow.2081:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Grasping at straws, this thread is~

……………..snip………………

Five years from now, when they game is still fine, people will be telling us it’s dying.

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Who stays with any mmo for more than a year?

Do you really judge an MMO right out of the box.. any decent MMO evolves over time otherwise why play it in the first place.. 1 year doesn’t even allow for it to bed it and find its feet. So I would hazard a guess and say that there are a heckofalot of players that stay with an MMO for more than a year, many might proclaim to of left and whine on forums about it, but likely still log in anyway.

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Grasping at straws, this thread is~

Pointing out a comment in an article that a journalist felt should be made is grasping at straws.

I think the people who want to see this game sink are the ones grasping at straws. Five years from now, when they game is still fine, people will be telling us it’s dying.

So far, there hasn’t been an MMO released since Guild Wars 2 has been released that has been as successful. Maybe there’s a reason for that.

Hello,

yes, there is a reason for that, and its a very simple one: there is no room in this genre for average games.

The reason why GW2 still stands its because its more than an average game and, perhaps one day, if ANet plays it right, this game will stand the test of time and take its place amongst the titan of this genre.

Go to http://global.ncsoft.com/global/board/downloadlist.aspx?BID=ir_pr conference & IR Activities download and open to slide 22 and 23 that pretty much tells you the future according to NCSoft. The work at Anet could very well be importing GW2 to other platforms. Slide 23 shows what they plan to launch in 2015 and I don’t see anything resembling a GW2 expansion although this could just be new games, don’t know how to classify Lineage Eternal.
So yes we’re all aware that they are working on something and the theory I proposed above could be just as real as your interpretation of what the author saw, frankly as I said before none of this means anything and it’s all assumptions until Anet says otherwise.

Verificus.4320:

If they announce a huge expansion/content patch now regardless of if it’s free or not, I’m willing to be a large part of the people regularly buying gem is going to put the game down until it comes out and thus no longer generating revenue.

Yea? And how does that work exactly? There are LS and feature packs, those people doing same stuff they were doing all this time in game, spending gems on whatever they were spending them. Expansion announced. And what happens exactly? If anything, i for one would feel like playing more actually. But those hardcore players suddenly say, hey, F. that and this, i will wait till E. comes out then i’ll come back, bye GW2 for now. Doesn’t really make sense to me. Unless AN comes out and says something like: look, we’re gonna do E., so no more LS and feature packs for now.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

Go to http://global.ncsoft.com/global/board/downloadlist.aspx?BID=ir_pr conference & IR Activities download and open to slide 22 and 23 that pretty much tells you the future according to NCSoft. The work at Anet could very well be importing GW2 to other platforms. Slide 23 shows what they plan to launch in 2015 and I don’t see anything resembling a GW2 expansion although this could just be new games, don’t know how to classify Lineage Eternal.
So yes we’re all aware that they are working on something and the theory I proposed above could be just as real as your interpretation of what the author saw, frankly as I said before none of this means anything and it’s all assumptions until Anet says otherwise.

Anet has clearly stated that they have no plans to port GW2 to consol. (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-for-PS4-1/first#post4559215). Unless you mean other computer OSes (i.e. Linux) which would be awesome!

Gemstore is where all the money comes from currently. Usually the people who are the most vocal on forums like this are also people who are the most hardcore type of players. As the average casual player who plays 2 hours/day prolly won’t consume the content anet delivers faster than they create it. Hardcore players are also the one spending the most money in gemstore. If they announce a huge expansion/content patch now regardless of if it’s free or not, I’m willing to be a large part of the people regularly buying gem is going to put the game down until it comes out and thus no longer generating revenue.

Your analysis isnt bad except for this. There is no evidence that the hardcore players/forum posters (who constantly ask for an expansion on the forums while getting kittened off whenever something new is added to the gem store) are the ones who buy a majority of the gems.

Id be willing to bet a lot that the people who dont post on the forums make up an overwhelming majority of gem purchases.

Shifu.4321:

Where da statistics at bros

Following statistics instead of their own design sense is what has kittened off most of the players that are kittened in the first place. Besides, do you think if their metrics ever showed low satisfaction with the game they would ever let that get out?

You could have also pointed to statements of devs working overtime and claims about assets being created that have not yet made it into the game. most points of interest are “we are working on stuff”, why this interview?
If there there are comments about 280 employees not doing anything it’s hyperbole at best and should be read as “why haven’t things that are being worked on not made it into the game yet?”
The author got a tour through the studio, he didn’t exactly sneak in to take a peek…
Current content shows that some “stuff” is being worked on and implemented much better but there are still some areas of the game that have seen little additions since launch.
Enthusiastic read nonetheless.
Really hope they’ll take care of traits soon, newer alts of mine use barely any…
Claims of people leaving is exagerated as there are no monthly cost, most of what I have read is a fear that not enough people would be supporting the game through the gemstore/weekly new skins/whatever…and this doesn’t seem the case.
And with that alienating policy in place, why even bother?
“non definite information” is merely speculation = business as usual

Please don’t speak for me. I play GW2 almost every evening, and I’m still excited every time I log in and click Play.

if anet launched an expansion with new classes, skills, guild vs guild, i would immediately jump off a building to kill myself. it won’t happen so i’m safe.

Am I the only person who feels like this “stuff” thread is sort of connected to the crazy Tom Cruise interview? Like wow, you know, stuff!

ArenaNet is a science facility:

10% of the company is dedicated to creating the content for an experiment and 90% is dedicated to the research and analysis.

A few experiments we’ve all seen:

1. Who becomes the most brutal WvW zerg? Those driven by competition or those driven by rewards?
Answer: Rewards. Blackgate climbs to 1st place whenever there’s AP and tourney rewards to be had. They fall to third whenever new farms come out. They can take out zergs twice their size and love hoarding loot bags.

2. What happens when we add RNG to every corner of the game, capitalize on Black Lottery Keys and the Mystic Lottery?

Answer: Rage. But people still keep doing it anyway.

3. What happens when we release this whole new almost lore-breaking SAB out of nowhere?

Answer: People love it.

3b. What happens when we take it away with no plans to bring it back?

Answer: Protests.

4. What happens when we advertise Ranger as the best ranged class and show bears in our pictures despite really designing Rangers to do top tier melee damage when combined with feline pets?

Answer: Quite possibly the deadliest class in the game being the only one restricted from some dungeon elitism groups for nearly 2 years.

5. What happens when we pit our casual and new players who just want to play for fun against our rewards driven players and veterans?

Research still ongoing.

• Scarlet invasion completion vs champ farm
• Reward a random month’s worth of gem buyers with free kites while doing nothing for people who bought gems before then
• Coil farm
• Champ farm in Queensdale
• NPE 2014
• Slay the champion grub in WvW for a trait
• Upgrading Tequatl to raid tier and not temporarily disabling guesting
• Giving out exotics as PvE rewards with only stat combos that get new players screamed at in dungeons
  … The list goes on

6. Underwater combat

Result: Failed experiment. Pending further attempt.

7. What happens to the price of Permanent Hair Stylist kits when we tell people they are only going to available for a month.
8. Living story instead of expansions
9. Dynamic events instead of quests
10. Loot / EXP sharing instead of kill tagging

You name it. Some of it is positive and some of it is negative.

So there. You can easily see why they’d need 300+ people to analyze all that data. They could do with a staff of 50 if they were Asura.

DarkWasp.7291:

So there. You can easily see why they’d need 300+ people to analyze all that data. They could do with a staff of 50 if they were Asura.

Wait, is that why we get “Stuff stuff stuff” and shinies?

Lemme go change my title to Honorary Skritt.

Greyhound.2058:

Please don’t speak for me. I play GW2 almost every evening, and I’m still excited every time I log in and click Play.

Yep. Having fun and enjoying playing here. Please don’t speak for me either OP.

Filaha.1678:

DarkWasp.7291:

So there. You can easily see why they’d need 300+ people to analyze all that data. They could do with a staff of 50 if they were Asura.

Wait, is that why we get “Stuff stuff stuff” and shinies?

Lemme go change my title to Honorary Skritt.

Does that mean, the new stuff will be Skritt as playable race? Nice!

The “stuff” they are working on in the background could just be the next set of journal episodes. Same old, same old. Just because this guy saw some devs working doesn’t mean Anet has anything substantial planned (like an expansion).

By the way would it really kill Anet to get with the times and be transparent? I mean compare the Points of Interest with a dev stream of Warhammer Eternal Crusade. When Anet “communicates” with us, it’s to answer non-questions and talk about fluff that we already know. When someone asks Behavior Interactive a question, they answer it directly with details. None of that “oh we cant say much, but we promise you’ll like it” BS.

Think about that for a moment. Anet says they want to hear our feedback, but they don’t share with us what they are doing until they release it, and by the time they release it, they are moving on to the next project and don’t seem to care for going back and reiterating. BI on the other hand shares everything so that their customers can give active feedback during development and help them make sure the product is what the customer actually wants.

I assume some of those employees may also be maintaining GW1. Guild Wars may be walking dead, but not headshot final dead yet.

I for one am hopeful that as far as content development (expansions on par with other releases from other games that seem to be smaller companies), big chunks of girthie story blocks, new class skills, new classes, new races, new lands and possibly even new weapon types. Wouldn’t mind new loot and legendaries also.

Basically, after playing in both games, I personally am wishful for fleshing out the rest of the world. In essence, I have been playing in the same lands since 2005-2006. Kind of am over Kryta and the shiverpeaks. Wouldn’t mind diving into some updated versions of Cantha and Elona, but would ultimately rather see what else is out there.

Akari Storm.6809:

I assume some of those employees may also be maintaining GW1. Guild Wars may be walking dead, but not headshot final dead yet.

I for one am hopeful that as far as content development (expansions on par with other releases from other games that seem to be smaller companies), big chunks of girthie story blocks, new class skills, new classes, new races, new lands and possibly even new weapon types. Wouldn’t mind new loot and legendaries also.

Basically, after playing in both games, I personally am wishful for fleshing out the rest of the world. In essence, I have been playing in the same lands since 2005-2006. Kind of am over Kryta and the shiverpeaks. Wouldn’t mind diving into some updated versions of Cantha and Elona, but would ultimately rather see what else is out there.

Guild Wars 1 is completely on automation. This has been known for a very very long time. Anet announce it. No new content at all for it in well over a year, and only bug fixes are going to happen.

There may be one guy assigned to Guild Wars 1, but it’s more likely there’s no one permanently assigned to it, and people just fix stuff as it creeps up.

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

Actually this thread isn’t an I told you so thread. You really don’t get it?

This writer felt that people are talking nonsense. He felt strongly enough about it to add it as an aside to an article about something else. Now it’s not just me, it’s me and that author. Because if he didn’t hear those things, there would be no reason at all to add that aside.

Me pointing this out to the forums is just giving them more information for each person to do what they want with.

People who have decided stuff already, those people are NOT going to change their minds. Karla Gray isn’t going to start a Guild Wars 2 fan club. But those aren’t the people that this is aimed at. There are people who haven’t made up their minds. Who don’t know. Who would like more information even if it’s not definite information.

If Anet were providing us this information this writer wouldn’t have had to write this. Anet isn’t. And since he wrote it, I thought I’d share it.

Still not sure what your problem with that is.

OK, just a last gasp attempt you help you see the error of your misinformed assumption.

I accept that what you have read has a grain of meaning to you and quite honestly I am glad it makes you feel all warm and cuddly about the future.

Yes there are people who always take a “its rubbish, its dying” point of view in any MMO.. why, because an MMO won’t ever be all things to all men/women.

My issue is that you seem to want to throw out the opinion that what this journo apparently saw and wrote has some kind of meaning, some evidence and its big news that will alter opinion, and sway others to “the future looks bright”… in fact it does nothing to help anyone make an informed decision, it holds no substance to suggest that anything this person saw has any relevance to GW2 at all.

Read through the responses, I don’t see anyone thinking this means anything to anyone, why?.. because as I have already said “no one thinks ANET is doing nothing”.
Those forums posts you feel you need to try and silence and defend against are not actually saying ANET are “doing nothing”… cmon, please we all know they must be working on something.. its not like every 2 weeks they have to make a LS chapter up and run with it.. those kind of things are worked on months prior and the stuff the journo apparently saw, if relevant to GW2 at all “might” at some point enter into the game … even that cake menu perhaps (we have apple pie already)

All you have actually done is try to counter the arguments that the game is dying, ANET won’t speak to us about the future content, with some random person stating they saw ANET working on stuff… so welcome to the "Overated Opinion Club, a place where people can promote non informed information as fact, assume everything and anything is fact and feel that what means something to YOU “MUST” mean the same to everyone else we are wrong if it doesn’t… please enjoy the club facilities while your with us.

Look bottom line Vayne, whit and joke aside, many of us admire your support of the game and likely we all hold out some shred of hope that there is something big in the pipeline, though to be honest I am happy with being drip fed content on a schedule like we currently get.
In fact my personal view is 2 weeks is too shorter turnround in order to get better quality content out to us. If they slowed down the time between patches and concentrate on ensuring the content has better depth, is more engaging, more focused and better qualified through process then perhaps many of the doombringers wouldn’t feel the need to demand ANET talk to us about everything all the time because they would be too busy in game playing rather than out of game whinning.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

Actually this thread isn’t an I told you so thread. You really don’t get it?

This writer felt that people are talking nonsense. He felt strongly enough about it to add it as an aside to an article about something else. Now it’s not just me, it’s me and that author. Because if he didn’t hear those things, there would be no reason at all to add that aside.

Me pointing this out to the forums is just giving them more information for each person to do what they want with.

People who have decided stuff already, those people are NOT going to change their minds. Karla Gray isn’t going to start a Guild Wars 2 fan club. But those aren’t the people that this is aimed at. There are people who haven’t made up their minds. Who don’t know. Who would like more information even if it’s not definite information.

If Anet were providing us this information this writer wouldn’t have had to write this. Anet isn’t. And since he wrote it, I thought I’d share it.

Still not sure what your problem with that is.

OK, just a last gasp attempt you help you see the error of your misinformed assumption.

I accept that what you have read has a grain of meaning to you and quite honestly I am glad it makes you feel all warm and cuddly about the future.

Yes there are people who always take a “its rubbish, its dying” point of view in any MMO.. why, because an MMO won’t ever be all things to all men/women.

My issue is that you seem to want to throw out the opinion that what this journo apparently saw and wrote has some kind of meaning, some evidence and its big news that will alter opinion, and sway others to “the future looks bright”… in fact it does nothing to help anyone make an informed decision, it holds no substance to suggest that anything this person saw has any relevance to GW2 at all.

Read through the responses, I don’t see anyone thinking this means anything to anyone, why?.. because as I have already said “no one thinks ANET is doing nothing”.
Those forums posts you feel you need to try and silence and defend against are not actually saying ANET are “doing nothing”… cmon, please we all know they must be working on something.. its not like every 2 weeks they have to make a LS chapter up and run with it.. those kind of things are worked on months prior and the stuff the journo apparently saw, if relevant to GW2 at all “might” at some point enter into the game … even that cake menu perhaps (we have apple pie already)

All you have actually done is try to counter the arguments that the game is dying, ANET won’t speak to us about the future content, with some random person stating they saw ANET working on stuff… so welcome to the "Overated Opinion Club, a place where people can promote non informed information as fact, assume everything and anything is fact and feel that what means something to YOU “MUST” mean the same to everyone else we are wrong if it doesn’t… please enjoy the club facilities while your with us.

Look bottom line Vayne, whit and joke aside, many of us admire your support of the game and likely we all hold out some shred of hope that there is something big in the pipeline, though to be honest I am happy with being drip fed content on a schedule like we currently get.
In fact my personal view is 2 weeks is too shorter turnround in order to get better quality content out to us. If they slowed down the time between patches and concentrate on ensuring the content has better depth, is more engaging, more focused and better qualified through process then perhaps many of the doombringers wouldn’t feel the need to demand ANET talk to us about everything all the time because they would be too busy in game playing rather than out of game whinning.

What this guy says has AT LEAST as much meaning as what others are saying. Do you go into the threads of people who say unsubstantiated negative stuff and tell them that they’re wrong for doing that? No.

You come into the thread of someone trying to provide some balance and say I’m wrong for doing it.

What does that say about your own thought process?

Why attack this thread if it’s no different than equal and opposite to what it’s supposed to be combating? Does that even make sense?

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Metaphors aside.
I’m willing to drop money on games that deliver content, this game is doing the exact opposite, so I will take my money elsewhere.

There’s a game with a far more active community, more players, it delivers content on a steady, constant basis and the developers actually listen to the community.

Mavis.1463:

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Metaphors aside.
I’m willing to drop money on games that deliver content, this game is doing the exact opposite, so I will take my money elsewhere.

There’s a game with a far more active community, more players, it delivers content on a steady, constant basis and the developers actually listen to the community.

See that’s my problem. I’d love to find a game that delivers content that I like. This is it. There isn’t another and I’ve tried them all.

I’d love to find a game I like that delivers more content than Anet. But there isn’t one.