Guild Wars 2

I know am preaching to the choir for most, but the prices of pre cursors are way too insanely high and the drop rate from chests and the mystic toilet is way too low. This is not legendary or epic. It is a money grind.

I would spend the next year grinding out specific materials for a legendary rather than spending the gold that i have made along the way on the legendary. Even the 100 gold for the runestones is rediculous. I started to grind for the dreamer, but quickly realized all my efforts are folly if i have literally no chance at at seeing pre cursor. So all i have been doing is logging in for dailys and logging out. To me, the grind for the legendary was the endgame and now, despite loving this game, im finding little reason to log in. 500 gold for the precursor on top of the mats is a bit out of my reach.

“but ces you said you would spend a year grinding the mats. Just grind out gold too.” true, but again any gold i make should be my own. And then 6months down the road arenanet announces scavenger hunts…after i just spent 500gold or more on the precursor. What an epic feeling that wouold be. Why is gold, or rng, huge factor in something that should be epic?

Give us some long, very long, epic story line for each legendary.

/end rant

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

The Betrayer.4893:

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

And I just want to say this … again. There is nothing legendary about buying something from the TP. Also, you’re a few months too late to not be seeing a bunch of people running around with them. People have 3+ already, better get crackin’.

whipplerama.3692:

The Betrayer.4893:

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

And I just want to say this … again. There is nothing legendary about buying something from the TP. Also, you’re a few months too late to not be seeing a bunch of people running around with them. People have 3+ already, better get crackin’.

Wow really Ive maybe seen 3 legendaries on my server

In my opinion those legendary look crap… I’m waiting for new ones. Besides, too many people got legendary whereas I see less people with e.g. Volcanus or Aether. Legendary weapons are common nowadays.

They do go for a legendary price on TP…

Jokes aside, I don’t mind people using coin to buy legendaries. If you want to spend that much on some skin, go for it. If you want to buy gems and make it into coin and spend more than 1k usd on a weapon skin, well… you should think of better ways to spend your money, but anyway…

Nothing against adding some epic quest to get the legendary or precursors also, maybe they will even do it in the future… But it will take a few days to have videos on youtube showing a easy(er) way to kill that mob, or do that encounter, or w/e. And then people will complain. Or its going to be really hard, and people will complain. Or it will be too grindy and people will complain…

I really dont plan going for one of those weapons. Just playing the game for now and having some fun with it… If I ever come around the amount of coin to get one and have nothing else to do with it… Maybe. But other than that, I’m just happy that I can still do any content without people demanding me to bring a legendary weapon or 2.

Its not a carrot on that stick, its just a cookie. Its tasty, for sure, but its no carrot.

Because making a gold grind is much much easier than creating a decent challenge envolving tactics and complex strategies, some simply don’t have the brainpower for such.

lLobo.7960:

They do go for a legendary price on TP…

Jokes aside, I don’t mind people using coin to buy legendaries. If you want to spend that much on some skin, go for it. If you want to buy gems and make it into coin and spend more than 1k usd on a weapon skin, well… you should think of better ways to spend your money, but anyway…

Nothing against adding some epic quest to get the legendary or precursors also, maybe they will even do it in the future… But it will take a few days to have videos on youtube showing a easy(er) way to kill that mob, or do that encounter, or w/e. And then people will complain. Or its going to be really hard, and people will complain. Or it will be too grindy and people will complain…

I really dont plan going for one of those weapons. Just playing the game for now and having some fun with it… If I ever come around the amount of coin to get one and have nothing else to do with it… Maybe. But other than that, I’m just happy that I can still do any content without people demanding me to bring a legendary weapon or 2.

Its not a carrot on that stick, its just a cookie. Its tasty, for sure, but its no carrot.

See, thats the mindset that I have lost. I want to play the game for what it is. Not chasing that carrot(ascended gear) or grinding (unfun) when I am grinding only for gold for the legendary.

I entered this game with these aspirations/goals:
-Explore, see the world, find hidden things. Rushing to max level does not matter. Stats do not matter. Everyone will be on equal playing field shortly after level cap..just grinding for skins.
-Endgame is season the rest of the world, WvW, a few dungeons, and ultimately when I am ready…grinding for a legendary.

With the Nov 15 patch, my focus sadly has shifted to trying to get the new max stat gear as it comes out, and trying to make money to get a precursor for a legendary…which is very difficult. But difficult <> legendary. To the person that said if it wasnt difficult, it wouldnt be legendary. I say this: The rest of the materials list is a grind enough. Requiring us to have LUCK or an obscene amount of gold is not legendary.

Valento.9852:

Because making a gold grind is much much easier than creating a decent challenge envolving tactics and complex strategies, some simply don’t have the brainpower for such.

It is also is the best way to keep legendaries rare. Make it a boring grind, and most people will not go for it just because it is a boring grind. Make it the way you just said, and most people will go for it and succeed all the while having fun playing the game and practicing those challenges.

eisberg.2379:

Valento.9852:

Because making a gold grind is much much easier than creating a decent challenge envolving tactics and complex strategies, some simply don’t have the brainpower for such.

It is also is the best way to keep legendaries rare. Make it a boring grind, and most people will not go for it just because it is a boring grind. Make it the way you just said, and most people will go for it and succeed all the while having fun playing the game and practicing those challenges.

Grinding for the rest of the materials is a enough of a grind.

Making someone farm 450-500+ gold is a bit too much, nor does it make the end result any more special. It simply means that I blew all of my in game money on one skin. Rather than chopping down trees for 2 months, farming mobs baracuudas for armored scales..etc.

Keep the material list, give us some long and difficult chain of quests…that can be completed completely solo if needed. But make it difficult.
Keep it legendary, without moving into the financial world of the game. Why they tied the best looking skins to the “financial sector” of the game is beyond me.
Terrible terrible design. Very lazy.

Lets say it takes me 6 months to get 500 gold for the precursor. I would rather spend those 6 months doing other things to get my legendary, like a quest chain, or find some rare boss and kill him a few times for a few semi-rare pieces of something. Regardless of how long it takes me to collect the other gifts, I would rather spend the time it takes to farm the gold doing something else. Its just bad design, theres no getting around it. And like I said, Ive been thinking twice this past week..why am I logging in, other than dailys? The february patch was a good step, and I hope March is as good. If I decide not to go for my legendary, I hope the march patch keeps me busy enough to keep logging in.

Otherwise…Id rather farm in diablo 3

Ugh…. This old horse, it’s actually starting to smell…

Buying a Legendary weapon, does not make it legendary. If you’re some TP nutter and consider this game GW2 tycoon, sure it’s gonna be just FINE for you, there was no reason why this couldn’t have been limited though to some extent, also you’re incredibly naive if you think that the 1000 or so dollars via the “official” avenues would be what someone would use…

As it’s boring, many will not do it. That is absolutely correct for me, I don’t do the legendary grind, and when it came to other skins either no one wanted to do the dungeons “cos fractals” or they weren’t worth the effort. Thus I ran out of things to set myself goal wise or any sense of character development. At that point I started to lose the will to log in.

“but play the game for the sake of playing the game!”

Is not a reason, it’s just a “cos that’s the why” answer, reasons are subjective, but usually follow common sense, there are FAR better ways for this game to promote that sort of mentality, and they’re not.

There is nothing wrong with the forge.
Personally I’ve received Dawn, Leaf of kudzu and bard from random rares, 2 dusks from exotic greatswords, legend from exotic staffs, lover from exotic shortbows and chosen from random exotics. Finally I got spark, from exotic daggers, that one was the hardest and most expensive to “forge”

Ignore the tradepost, looking at those prices just depresses you and stops you enjoying the game.

Safari.3021:

There is nothing wrong with the forge.
Personally I’ve received Dawn, Leaf of kudzu and bard from random rares, 2 dusks from exotic greatswords, legend from exotic staffs, lover from exotic shortbows and chosen from random exotics. Finally I got spark, from exotic daggers, that one was the hardest and most expensive to “forge”

Ignore the tradepost, looking at those prices just depresses you and stops you enjoying the game.

I must call BS on this. Noone is this lucky Unless you can show a screen shot of some sort.
Even if you did receive all of this, how many tries for each until you received what you wanted? Or did you get them all within a few tries too? ;p

Whiners need to get away from “it doesnt FEEL legendary to have to grind for gold” argument. Legendary is merely the quality of the item. Really, apply this argument to other quality items (rare, exotic, ascended) and look at how silly it appears:

Those weapons don’t FEEL legendary since I have to grind for gold! Legendary means I should have to complete a LEGENDARY task to get it, not mindlessly grind for gold! This needs to be changed so that they are truly legendary!

Those amulets don’t FEEL ascended when I just buy them off a laurel vendor! Ascended means I should have to surmount a difficult task to obtain it, not mindlessly grind for laurels! This needs to be changed so that they are truly ascended!

Exotic items don’t FEEL exotic when i get them for map completions/from the TP! Also, Exotic means foreign, unusual, and unique! The name exotic isn’t very fitting if everyone is wearing them! This needs to be changed so that they are truly exotic!

Rare items don’t FEEL rare! Rare means something that doesn’t occur frequently, yet you can buy 2 of them after a dungeon run with only 60 tokens! Also, they drop every day for most players! This needs to be changed so that they are truly rare!

cesmode.4257:

I must call BS on this. Noone is this lucky Unless you can show a screen shot of some sort.
Even if you did receive all of this, how many tries for each until you received what you wanted? Or did you get them all within a few tries too? ;p

Back in october:
Dawn was from 100 random rares (about 30 or so tries after reforging the rare results)
Leaf was from 300 random rares the next day, bard came from 700 random rares thrown in.
I started with 70g, ended up with 0. Sold bard and Dawn, used the money for t3 armor, icy runestones and the powerful blood and intricate totems i needed to craft Kudzu.

Last week, I threw in 60g worth of exotic greatswords, with some dungeon and wvw token bought exotics too, after 16 tries I had 2 Dusks.
Sold 1 dusk, used the money to buy the ecto, lodestones and runestones, made twilight, sold on tp to the highest order for 2300g.

Wanted spark on my ele, played around with exotic daggers, wasted 500g, no luck (I refuse to buy one) tried 64 exotic staffs instead, got legend. sold for 580g to highest offer, used the money for more exotic daggers, no luck. tried exotic shortbows, got lover after 32 tries, sold for 460ish gold. bought 100 random cheapest exotic weapons, got chosen on 21st try, sold for 299g.

Carried on then with daggers, ended up with spark and a gold balance of 800g (after buying destroyer lodestones and t6 mats, i had none left after making twilight, also I bought the three exotic karka minis and an endless toy tonic).

Have spent 200g since and not got any though

The screenshots I have, I’ve attached, the two dusks

heres the pres from october, sorry i dont have the item thing in chat, i didnt know there would be a need

Valento.9852:

Because making a gold grind is much much easier than creating a decent challenge envolving tactics and complex strategies, some simply don’t have the brainpower for such.

The problem would be creating challenging content for a single player… and making it balanced. I remember the quests for a legendary staff in WOW and some of them were trivial for some classes while, at the same time, frustrating for others.

I wonder why people keeps throwing tons of stuff in the mystic toilet and then comes here complaining.
It’s like spending all your money on lottery tickets and complain you didn’t win.

Just hold off until Anet implements a better way to obtain precursors, the famous “scavenger hunts”.

I bought Dusk for my Twilight and would not suggest grinding for the gold to buy it. I would suggest doing many things. And, all those things intertwined in conjunction with each other to create synergy.

Of course, part of it includes killing mobs for their T6 mat drops. But to say it’s required to grind mob killing for all the gold to get either a precursor or the parts for a legendary — to say that this is what people who have a legendary did, is probably not an accurate statement.

imo, the “legendary” task was a multitude of things, including the overarching idea of having to figure out those tasks.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Valento.9852:

Because making a gold grind is much much easier than creating a decent challenge envolving tactics and complex strategies, some simply don’t have the brainpower for such.

The problem would be creating challenging content for a single player… and making it balanced. I remember the quests for a legendary staff in WOW and some of them were trivial for some classes while, at the same time, frustrating for others.

Then make it party-wide, if after finishing the challenge I had gotten the precursor I would still go on with friends, even if it was a weekly (maybe monthly?) challenge.

ANet should expand top-reward stuff, for example, they could have orbs to improve armor effects. AC would have Ghastly Orbs to give your armor ghost clouds flying all over, for example; Citadel of Flame would have small swirling fires going up; TA would have little butterflies with tiny flower trails around the armor.

I don’t know what else, another thing to work for to split the goals, I would work for effects as they simply are cool.

Red Falcon.8257:

I wonder why people keeps throwing tons of stuff in the mystic toilet and then comes here complaining.
It’s like spending all your money on lottery tickets and complain you didn’t win.

Just hold off until Anet implements a better way to obtain precursors, the famous “scavenger hunts”.

Don’t hold your breath on that one. It’s not on the list of to-do’s yet as it still hasn’t been formulated let alone implemented, and they’ll take their sweet ol’ time doing that. Right now they’re in no rush while the economy is being driven up through the roof, with precursors and legendaries leading the charge. Some precursor prices are knocking on the door of 700g atm.

Safari, unfortunately you don’t speak for the hundreds or even thousands of other players who only cottoned onto the legendary stuff after Nov.15th, those who are now in the demand sector, driving the prices even higher. Drops are fewer and further between (despite the update notes telling us the contrary, esp. for rares and exotics), people aren’t willing to play the RNG game and are reluctant to use the forge for anything unless they absolutely need to. I’ve used that forge a handful of times and it was mostly to get my other 3 gifts while still holding out for a precursor.

People can use rares to throw into the forge, sure if you want to waste your rares, because now (unless in some very exceptional cases) rares won’t get you a legendary within a few tries, like the odds of throwing in exotics probably would. Not everyone runs dungeons and exchanges tokens for Mystic Toilet fodder. The only real option for those people is to save what they can before inflation beats them to it, which unfortunately is at the runaway stage.

Me personally, I’m crafting exotics to throw in the toilet when I have enough of them, and because they require ecto to craft and T6 materials, it’s not all that frequent when you don’t spend all your time here and/or live on the game.

cesmode.4257:

Give us some long, very long, epic story line for each legendary.

/end rant

And then everyone would come to the forums, ranting that the this quest is too hard. Also people will come to the forums and say “Now I am forced to do X, but I don’t like doing X, this is stupid, it is not fair that we have to do this.”
The current way at least does not require you to do much else than just farm gold.
But sure go along and wish for your quest, but beware that your wish might come true and you will find yourself even further away from your legendary than now.

I am a casual, but I can say this. One day I shall get a Twilight greatsword. I love how it’s accomplished by a normal player. I don’t have to raid 5 days a week for it. Just do normal activities I do now. Just a lot of them. It’s something for me to strive for.

Eternity for my guardian, plus moot and the shield is my ultimate goal. As I’ve found I like the greatsword, and mace shield set up best.

In my opinion I love how it is and hope other games do the same. It’s not about making something hard to make it difficult. Make it obtainable but long. I don’t mind long, I mind things that are difficult and take a guilds worth of work to get.

I’ll take certainty over RNG any day.

cesmode.4257:

Safari.3021:

There is nothing wrong with the forge.
Personally I’ve received Dawn, Leaf of kudzu and bard from random rares, 2 dusks from exotic greatswords, legend from exotic staffs, lover from exotic shortbows and chosen from random exotics. Finally I got spark, from exotic daggers, that one was the hardest and most expensive to “forge”

Ignore the tradepost, looking at those prices just depresses you and stops you enjoying the game.

I must call BS on this. Noone is this lucky Unless you can show a screen shot of some sort.
Even if you did receive all of this, how many tries for each until you received what you wanted? Or did you get them all within a few tries too? ;p

I got my dusk after 5 tries at Big Z.

*not everyone’s experience may be the same

Yet again people make threads about precursors knowing that something will get done about it. Anet knows okay . . .

Stop crying and wait. If you’re so impatient about getting the legendary then tough luck, gotta get the precursor the old fashioned way just like everyone else who already has one.

The Betrayer.4893:

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

Who said it had to be easy to get?

I kinda agree with OP.

They should at least have some context + lore to them, through some quests / unusual tasks to get / create materials.

I.E.

>For Dusk, on it’s own Orichalcum isn’t enough, so the Orichalcum has to be infused with the essence of Specters in the Cathedral of Silence during the Grenth fight, and then smelted into ingots with Onyx Shards in Mount Maelstrom. These ingots have to then be taken to the Ancient Blacksmith in Flame Temple Tombs to be forged into a precursor. Then you need to prep the precursor by taking it to places of power (mini-dungeons, dungeons, jumping puzzles) / killing powerful foes (dungeons, meta-events) with it equipped before you can even use it to create the Legendary.

TL;DR>Less focus on farming materials, more focus on tasks to create materials specific to the Legendary.

I think the reason why legendaries do not have lore to it is because your character is the legend behind the legendary weapon. Basically that legenary weapons lore begins with you. Perhaps if they make Guild Wars 3, and if your account ever got a legendary weapon in GW2, your GW3 characters could set off on a quest to find the Legendary Weapon of "(Your GW2 character name)

Stop whining about the precursor, learn a little about economics, pump a couple of bucks through the RMT store, win.

“I just keep trying to do the same things and just keep getting the same results! WAH!”

Ever considered the farming guides you have been following are just meta-game for the people TP’ing up a fortune off the masses? Stranger things have happened in MMORPGs…

eisberg.2379:

I think the reason why legendaries do not have lore to it is because your character is the legend behind the legendary weapon. Basically that legenary weapons lore begins with you.

In which case, they wouldn’t be Legendary already.

Also, according to your theory, if I wielded a Rare all my days until I die, that would be a Legendary, since I’m the legend, and not the weapon.

TheDaiBish.9735:

eisberg.2379:

I think the reason why legendaries do not have lore to it is because your character is the legend behind the legendary weapon. Basically that legenary weapons lore begins with you.

In which case, they wouldn’t be Legendary already.

Also, according to your theory, if I wielded a Rare all my days until I die, that would be a Legendary, since I’m the legend, and not the weapon.

Remember it is also a game. But give the fact that each Legendary didn’t exist till the moment that the player makes one, and that each player’s character is the main character of the story and is becoming the legend in Tyria. I would say that my theory on what a Legendary weapon really is, is what Arenanet intended them to be, the Legendary Weapons lore begins with the player character.

redhare.9210:

whipplerama.3692:

The Betrayer.4893:

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

And I just want to say this … again. There is nothing legendary about buying something from the TP. Also, you’re a few months too late to not be seeing a bunch of people running around with them. People have 3+ already, better get crackin’.

Wow really Ive maybe seen 3 legendaries on my server

I see 3 in every Orr event grinding group… lol You’re server must be low pop or not hardcore or something.

eisberg.2379:

Remember it is also a game. But give the fact that each Legendary didn’t exist till the moment that the player makes one, and that each player’s character is the main character of the story and is becoming the legend in Tyria. I would say that my theory on what a Legendary weapon really is, is what Arenanet intended them to be, the Legendary Weapons lore begins with the player character.

Well, we don’t know they didn’t exist. For example, pre-cursors could be legendary weapons that have lost their power for all we know.

However, you may be right, given how their supposed to be a symbol of your accomplishments.

whipplerama.3692:

The Betrayer.4893:

i would like to say just this. if a legendary was easy to get it wont be called a legendary. nor would i want to see a bunch of people running around wielding them

And I just want to say this … again. There is nothing legendary about buying something from the TP. Also, you’re a few months too late to not be seeing a bunch of people running around with them. People have 3+ already, better get crackin’.

Actually the TP price is pretty legendary…

If you can afford to buy it off the TP, more power to ya!