Guild Wars 2

Somebody’s going to have to eat a gigantic bowl of troll’s phalangeal feces, and it may as well be me. The Daydreamer’s Finery has appeared in the wardrobe, outfits section. And it looks like a functioning set of light armor. As with all outfits there are parts I like, and parts that I find absolutely irreconcilable, so the question here, yet again, is: wtf with the outfits?

So you want to look like a tank on your glass Ele, or look like a glass Ele on your bunker? Nothing at all requires them to make 3 full, separate and distinct armors every time they want to toss in a new look. Until they added the chest and legs, the periphery pieces of the Radiant and Hellfire armors were, and still all are identical. The fact that a Necro can put on the Balthazar outfit at all, a blatantly heavy armor look, says to me that they don’t care as much anymore about keeping the looks pure to the armor tropes of the 3 weight classes.

I have no issue with adding skins that don’t follow the armor weight rule, but please stop with the outfits because I want to be able to fix the things that I think were done wrong.

Which in the preview, the skirt was crazy wide on my Norn female, the boots too thin, and the shoulders too small. All could be fixed with some armor mixing since this set does present 6 distinct pieces, not 1 of them is visually connected to the others.

And as a side note and an inb4:
Got clipping issues? Same answer as any other armor mix: Tough. It’s an issue I’ve had to deal with many times making my characters look good, but it not acceptable to rage when bringing in a piece of gear from another set causes clipping issues.

What I think the outfits category should be full of is NPC gear, or sets that could not be split up at all without ruining the look. Of which there are several, and these make sense to have as outfits. But this new one especially, it IS already made of 6 separate pieces. I think if the time was taken to code for individual pieces, it’s pieces would be beautiful additions to the wardrobe, even in all 3 weight categories since outfits and theme pieces (toxic, mordrem) already seem to be rendering the entire notion a moot point.

I like outfits.

Well like you said I assume they don’t let you separate pieces because they don’t want to test it for mixed set clipping.

I agree that “mix at your own clipping risk” would be a heck of a lot more interesting though.

It’s also possible they did something dumb like not use the same texturing configuration as armor though, which could perhaps make it impossible.

Have to admit from the preview, this is the most ugly and uninspired outfit so far.

Will not buy.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

Have to admit from the preview, this is the most ugly and uninspired outfit so far.

Will not buy.

It isn’t an actual outfit though. It has none of the design qualities that would require it to be one whole, inseparable piece. In that regard, yes, it isn’t a very good outfit, but it would make one hell of an armor skin imo.

Maybe its design quality is so low because they are planning to give it as a gift for the 10th anniversary?

Oooo I LIKE that one. Looks kinda snazzy on my necro…

I’d really like to see it as an armor skin instread of an outfit. It looks like it should fit the existing ‘light’ mesh. But maybe that’s why they are doing it as an outfit…so other armor weights can wear it too.

Can I opt for both Anet? An armor skin and an outfit skin?

I like it a lot. It’s a sure buy for me. (And it shows the chest on male characters). ^^

I have no complaints whatsoever about outfits. They are designed beautifully and if you don’t want them, don’t buy them. I wish they came out with an outfit every week. Hell two times every week!! They are awesome!!

Harzul.9816:

I have no complaints whatsoever about outfits. They are designed beautifully and if you don’t want them, don’t buy them. I wish they came out with an outfit every week. Hell two times every week!! They are awesome!!

My issue with this one very specifically is that it doesn’t need to be an outfit.

As I understood what outfits were mean to be: Armor/clothing designs that had cross-piece complexity that would not stand being broken up, or possibly that did not comply with any existing armor weight mesh limitations. Examples include the fancy tie thing on the back of the shadow assassin, the glowy lava on the balthazar outfit, the arctic explorer outfit, the mad king, the lich raiment, and others. All these have aspects that either defy standard armor meshes (though that shadow assassin thing minus the tie would make epic light/medium gear imo), or parts that would be out of place not on the whole. This one has no such. The pieces have no intricate cross-connections, and no super thematic particles/glowies to mark it way out of place in the presence of different gear.

I understand what outfits are meant to achieve, I just think this one especially is being misplaced/misused in the spirit of what I understood the outfits were meant to be.

The female version is in separate sections divided by skin, yes, but the male version is one long coat. I agree it looks like something that could have been designed as actual mix and match armor, but it’s not made in as distinct pieces as you say. Also, if the Outfit mesh is its own thing, then where the skin is showing is likely just “invisible” and the whole thing is still one piece when you look under the hood.

Edit: For those not yet able to get to their Wardrobe to preview it, here’s some samples along with dyes I chose to show off the dye fields. Those are the field of fabric, the dagged tips, the lines on the fabric, and the gems. I left the male version on default gem color.

Of note, female asura get the female version, female charr get the male version. I didn’t screenie those because, well, they looked ridiculous to me. Sorry

The chest is something much needed for males, unfortunately the girly dress on it makes me sad. As for it being an outfit I can’t just wear the chest only and forced to crossdress to have it at all~ but if it was actual armor, which it already looks like more than any outfit ever has already, it would be light armor and medium would be left out of revealing armor even more-so than it already is.

So it is pretty much the lesser of multiple evils as it is naow unless they made it universal skins which for some reason they never do. They did it for radiant and hellfire up until they ruined it when they added the chest/legs.

Whatever lets my Thief show off his chest isn’t too horrible overall but still~ they can do better. Hopefully it’s a learning process that becomes well rewarded in future.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I like outfits.

Obviously some players do or they wouldn’t continue to make them.

I don’t like them and will never buy one.

I fear until people stop buying outfits, they will continue to make them versus armor skins. I understand its easier for them to create skins but, I would prefer the clipping if it allowed pieces to be mixed. Good gaming to you!

Donari.5237:

The female version is in separate sections divided by skin, yes, but the male version is one long coat. I agree it looks like something that could have been designed as actual mix and match armor, but it’s not made in as distinct pieces as you say. Also, if the Outfit mesh is its own thing, then where the skin is showing is likely just “invisible” and the whole thing is still one piece when you look under the hood.

Edit: For those not yet able to get to their Wardrobe to preview it, here’s some samples along with dyes I chose to show off the dye fields. Those are the field of fabric, the dagged tips, the lines on the fabric, and the gems. I left the male version on default gem color.

Of note, female asura get the female version, female charr get the male version. I didn’t screenie those because, well, they looked ridiculous to me. Sorry

Weirdly, if they did that male coat on an actual armor mesh, it screams “medium.”

It makes sense the things would be done on one, single, all encompassing mesh. And I know they would have to put in extra work to make it happen, but it’s one of those things I would buy as an armor for the bits I like about it, but not as an outfit because of the parts I don’t like.

But for that male chest, the bottom half of the “coat” (unless it’s actually a fully separate coat, didn’t look and might need to edit this ><) could be rolled onto the leg skin for light/heavy and left as is for medium. In the light armor category especially, this is how they achieve all “robe” looks, the chest and legs are separate, but the visual combination is one whole robe.

Doggie.3184:

The chest is something much needed for males, unfortunately the girly dress on it makes me sad. As for it being an outfit I can’t just wear the chest only and forced to crossdress to have it at all~ but if it was actual armor, which it already looks like more than any outfit ever has already, it would be light armor and medium would be left out of revealing armor even more-so than it already is.

So it is pretty much the lesser of multiple evils as it is naow unless they made it universal skins which for some reason they never do. They did it for radiant and hellfire up until they ruined it when they added the chest/legs.

Whatever lets my Thief show off his chest isn’t too horrible overall but still~ they can do better. Hopefully it’s a learning process that becomes well rewarded in future.

Best response I have to the universal skins thing is transmute charges. I don’t see them making any more “Free to Transmute” skins, ever outside of AP skins. The only ones that exist, in fact, are AP skins and HoM skins from GW1.

That said, this is why I suggest making both, and perhaps even not universal, although that wouldn’t too fair of them. But an armor and outfit on the sets that warrant it.

Again, outfits are meant to be things that are totally visually linked together, have parts that can not fit on standard armor meshes, I accept NPC gear in this category, or have some other unbreakable theme. Most of the outfits in the wardrobe currently follow this. This one does not. It screams light armor specifically as you say, and I fear they are going to start dumping armor into the outfits category, which ultimately nullifies the entire reason I log in and play after having run the story a couple times.

I would love to have seen this and that Countess Anisse outfits come to us as armor sets. They’re nice but the mix and match possibilities would have been better.

I like outfits.

DeamonSamurai.6504:

I would love to have seen this and that Countess Anisse outfits come to us as armor sets. They’re nice but the mix and match possibilities would have been better.

The Exemplar outfit isn’t the Anise one, her version is way better. IDK what happened during the making of the player exemplar one lolol

That said, the Anise one, if they had followed exactly what she wears, would have been a fine candidate for the outfits category imo.

The one players wear though, that could pass as a regular armor set. Which suggests a trend that I fear greatly.

Ooooo, the male version of the Daydreamer’s Finery outfit looks really hot!
The female version is really weird looking.. but I’ll buy it just for the sexy-open breast top for the male version outfit!
We need more sexy outfits for the males!

First I thought it would be Melandru’s goddness outfit… but then.. I dunno.. I really wish they would release the rest of the gods’ outfits,
Would be perfect to use the Gods’ outfits along with the gods weapons, such as Melandru’s Glaze, Dwayna’s Feather Longbow, Grenth’ Tear etc…

DeamonSamurai.6504:

I would love to have seen this and that Countess Anisse outfits come to us as armor sets. They’re nice but the mix and match possibilities would have been better.

I think this is fine as an outfit, since it looks mostly like a mix from ascended legs
with carapace or some other light armor stuff (on females). So not much need
to use it on females that wear light armor, but nice if you want that look on
other professions.

Alga.6498:

Ooooo, the male version of the Daydreamer’s Finery outfit looks really hot!
The female version is really weird looking.. but I’ll buy it just for the sexy-open breast top for the male version outfit!
We need more sexy outfits for the males!

First I thought it would be Melandru’s goddness outfit… but then.. I dunno.. I really wish they would release the rest of the gods’ outfits,
Would be perfect to use the Gods’ outfits along with the gods weapons, such as Melandru’s Glaze, Dwayna’s Feather Longbow, Grenth’ Tear etc…

The shoulders on the female version are lacking, and the boots on the Norn females specifically are too thinning on the legs for how the skirt hangs.

The god’s outfits are perfect examples of the kinds of things that should be put into the outfits category, I’m still curious what they will do with Melandru and Kormir’s back items xD