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Posted by: SweetPotato.7456

SweetPotato.7456

Just a question, i’ve notice lately that some players are looking like they are leeching the invasion events,

I was in a group with some random players in overflow of an invasion, hence you could see this little blue dots of your teammate on the map. there was this person, idling during the whole thing in one spot the whole time.

The following days, I entered Gendarran Map from Lion’s Arch, while the map was loading, i went to the loo, when I return those few players that was there, who came into gendarran from lion’s arch are still there, so I took the trouble to WP back there when i was downed, and there they are still standing there, idling.

Today. I wp into Herathi with my lowbie character who needed to map Herathi Hinterland, i had 2 wps on this map for this toon, she enters from Gendarran into Herathi. and there , surely are players idling near the entrance again!

Are they leeching???

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Posted by: kokiman.2364

kokiman.2364

Yes, many people in mmos are only concerned about themselves.
We had 2-3 commanders with turned on tags who were standing on one spot, I asked them why they are doing it and one of them replied with “We let others work for us”. People like this aren’t the minority anymore, sadly.

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Posted by: Gehenna.3625

Gehenna.3625

This game is absolutely leech friendly. Are there lots of leeches? I do not know. Is it likely there are? Absolutely.

It’s a game forum. The truth is not to be found here.

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Posted by: Bright.9160

Bright.9160

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

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Posted by: kokiman.2364

kokiman.2364

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

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Posted by: Tribio.8531

Tribio.8531

It strikes me that, when the events were added with the update, ANet also made sure that you can remain on one map for an hour.. So it seems that ANet actually wants you to idle these events out..

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Posted by: Herr der Friedhoefe.2490

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490

Pfft, I often don’t have 45 minutes to play a full on fight intensive invasion. I’m leeching just because I’ve got kitten I have to go and do for a few minutes? Get real.

Besides that, how does this affect your game in the slightest?

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Posted by: Galen Grey.4709

Galen Grey.4709

I dont think this is an issue really. Events will not scale in difficulty to include them unless they’re in the middle of one such event and that would get them killed pretty fast which would be a single wave issue.

If someone feels like leaving their character there, let them. it will not negatively effect anyone.

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Posted by: Kam.1780

Kam.1780

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

Actually this kind of behaviour leads to the frequent failures of the event, not to mention that thanks to the leechers those players that really would like to contribute are forced to the overflow servers not hosting the event.

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Posted by: Conner.4702

Conner.4702

Pfft, I often don’t have 45 minutes to play a full on fight intensive invasion. I’m leeching just because I’ve got kitten I have to go and do for a few minutes? Get real.

Besides that, how does this affect your game in the slightest?

You are taking the spot of someone who might actually participate, which in turn might mean faster completion.

People that leech simply shouldn’t get rewards. Participate to get the reward or get out, because you don’t deserve it. Don’t have time, don’t log on.

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Posted by: Bright.9160

Bright.9160

Actually this kind of behaviour leads to the frequent failures of the event, not to mention that thanks to the leechers those players that really would like to contribute are forced to the overflow servers not hosting the event.

Don’t worry, I don’t do it more than once per map, since Anet tied the achievement to it, and you only need to be present to do it.

Trust me, I’d rather do dungeons instead of leeching those pointless events.

Oh, and they should have thought of that before they gave people completion on failure.

Not to mention, I’ve only done it like 3 times, the other 4/5 zones I did I actually participated and I tried not to farm the Aetherblades/Molten alliance when there were rifts around.

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Posted by: Zanryu.3417

Zanryu.3417

Honestly the event is just plain dull. There’s no true action, it’s just a bunch of mobs spawning from ri- portals. They have no real impact on the world around them, none of the npcs in the maps seem even the least bit concerned from what I can tell. For a living world it sure seems kind of stale. In any case, I leech and I have no shame about it. The events are boring, the fights are dull, and frankly I can’t be bothered spending 45 minutes of my time on it. If I wanted to play Rift, I’d play Rift. At least their rifts don’t take almost an hour to close.

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Posted by: Conner.4702

Conner.4702

Honestly the event is just plain dull. There’s no true action, it’s just a bunch of mobs spawning from ri- portals. They have no real impact on the world around them, none of the npcs in the maps seem even the least bit concerned from what I can tell. For a living world it sure seems kind of stale. In any case, I leech and I have no shame about it. The events are boring, the fights are dull, and frankly I can’t be bothered spending 45 minutes of my time on it. If I wanted to play Rift, I’d play Rift. At least their rifts don’t take almost an hour to close.

You don’t have to do them, nothing you get from it is needed to play the game. Neither rewards or achievement points. The only need is in your head.

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Posted by: Ridley.3691

Ridley.3691

I ‘leeched’ many of the invasions as I was going for the 13/13 achievement for a few reasons.

1) I was really demotivated to do the event after having spent about 20 or 25 minutes in one and getting a DC, meaning my contributions were wasted. Couldn’t be bothered to risk getting a DC again so I figured it safer to just park myself in a settlement after doing 1 or 2 events.

2) The invasions are pretty exhausting, after doing a few and having to go around being in combat most of the time, only getting a quarter of an hour break before going an doing another. I know people will just say you don’t have to do a lot in quick succession, but if it’s a zone you’ve not done yet, you’ve gotta go do it because you don’t know when that zone will pop up again.

3) The events get boring quite quickly. There’s not really much variety, it’s just ‘Kill a bunch of mobs’, then waypoint and ‘kill another bunch of mobs’, for 40/45 minutes.

These so-called leechers miss out anyway though, since by not doing the events they don’t get all the extra champ chests, just the ones at the end. It’s only really worth doing to get the 13/13 achievement, which is why, since getting it, I don’t do it anymore.

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Posted by: dronzer.8392

dronzer.8392

2) The invasions are pretty exhausting, after doing a few and having to go around being in combat most of the time, only getting a quarter of an hour break before going an doing another.

3) The events get boring quite quickly. There’s not really much variety, it’s just ‘Kill a bunch of mobs’, then waypoint and ‘kill another bunch of mobs’, for 40/45 minutes.

These so-called leechers miss out anyway though, since by not doing the events they don’t get all the extra champ chests.

Exactly these points, I’ve seen a fair few doing the same and I can see why they do it but they only really get the reward at the end, if any the number is usually pretty small that it doesn’t generally affect the outcome of the farm zergs or those actually wanting to complete the event (though the conflict does lie with those wanting to farm and those wanting to complete).

Constantly doing them all the time burns you out, don’t get me wrong it’s really fun when doing them the first 10 times, then the next 10 it’s like.. ughh… then another 10 you begin to not really care and so on.

It’s hard to separate the group of “leechers” because you get a group that do it purposely for every event, then you get the group of those that do it partly for an objective, i.e the daily achievement that requires you to be there or the LS category.

As I said previously, the offending number seems to be quite small that it doesn’t really affect the outcome too much.

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Posted by: Astral Projections.7320

Astral Projections.7320

I bet at least some of these people are those who did all the maps but didn’t get all the achieves. Now they don’t know which one(s) are missing and are having to do them all over again just for the achieve.

I would leach too if it were me redoing 13 maps because the game doesn’t credit you and there isn’t an ez way to tell unless you’ve been taking notes the whole time.

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Posted by: Zanryu.3417

Zanryu.3417

Honestly the event is just plain dull. There’s no true action, it’s just a bunch of mobs spawning from ri- portals. They have no real impact on the world around them, none of the npcs in the maps seem even the least bit concerned from what I can tell. For a living world it sure seems kind of stale. In any case, I leech and I have no shame about it. The events are boring, the fights are dull, and frankly I can’t be bothered spending 45 minutes of my time on it. If I wanted to play Rift, I’d play Rift. At least their rifts don’t take almost an hour to close.

You don’t have to do them, nothing you get from it is needed to play the game. Neither rewards or achievement points. The only need is in your head.

Oh? Where exactly do you get the impression that I feel I NEED to do the events? I’ve only done maybe five in total in the week the portals have been opening up. I’m well aware that everything past basic exotic (ascended if you run fractals) gear isn’t needed to play, sure it enhances your gameplay experience if you enjoy skins (which let’s face it, I do), but it’s not needed.

That being said, there’s nothing in the game I feel the need to do. I do what I want when I want and how I want, lately I’ve been experimenting with sPvP because that’s what I wanted to do with my time in game. I try to do the occasional portal just to get a little coin flow but after they nerfed deadeye farming I was content with my humble amount of gold. I want Twilight, but I only have 400g available, I’m not halfway there and yet I feel no need to mindlessly farm for hours on end to get close to my goal. Why? Because I don’t really enjoy that.

I would suggest you don’t assume things about people, you know what they say about. Have fun spending an hour doing dull rift events, if that’s what you enjoy, go for it. However I’m going to sit there, get my event tag, and leech because I’d much rather enjoy a show or read than run around with one of the mini zergs for a few more champ boxes when I’m already more than content with the money I have.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

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Ladies and Gentlemen … everything that is wrong with MMOs!

The developers deserve an equal share of the blame. If they’d stop making chore-like content – if they’d make more compelling content that players actually want to play instead of the filler content they’re releasing like clockwork every two weeks – then players wouldn’t afk for rewards given by events they otherwise would have no interest in doing.

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Posted by: Gehenna.3625

Gehenna.3625

I bet at least some of these people are those who did all the maps but didn’t get all the achieves. Now they don’t know which one(s) are missing and are having to do them all over again just for the achieve.

I would leach too if it were me redoing 13 maps because the game doesn’t credit you and there isn’t an ez way to tell unless you’ve been taking notes the whole time.

Map locations are fixed on the map. You can look up the maps on the might interwebs to find out which ones you missed. I don’t see what this has to do with joining a zerg and doing virtually nothing but still get rewards because the game rewards you for minimal activity. I may not like it but I think it’s “working as intended”.

It’s a game forum. The truth is not to be found here.

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Posted by: Astral Projections.7320

Astral Projections.7320

I bet at least some of these people are those who did all the maps but didn’t get all the achieves. Now they don’t know which one(s) are missing and are having to do them all over again just for the achieve.

I would leach too if it were me redoing 13 maps because the game doesn’t credit you and there isn’t an ez way to tell unless you’ve been taking notes the whole time.

Map locations are fixed on the map. You can look up the maps on the might interwebs to find out which ones you missed. I don’t see what this has to do with joining a zerg and doing virtually nothing but still get rewards because the game rewards you for minimal activity. I may not like it but I think it’s “working as intended”.

If you did all 13 maps but was only credited for 11 or 12, how do you know which ones you didn’t get credit for? How does the list of maps help you in this case? In this case, you have to do every map all over again until you finally get credited. I’ve heard of one person having to do one map 3 times before getting credit for it.

Several of my guild mates have done all 13 but didn’t get credit for one or two of them. I had to do Frostgorge twice.

If you know of some map that shows the ones people did but didn’t get credit for, you should put it in an answer.

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Posted by: Conner.4702

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Honestly the event is just plain dull. There’s no true action, it’s just a bunch of mobs spawning from ri- portals. They have no real impact on the world around them, none of the npcs in the maps seem even the least bit concerned from what I can tell. For a living world it sure seems kind of stale. In any case, I leech and I have no shame about it. The events are boring, the fights are dull, and frankly I can’t be bothered spending 45 minutes of my time on it. If I wanted to play Rift, I’d play Rift. At least their rifts don’t take almost an hour to close.

You don’t have to do them, nothing you get from it is needed to play the game. Neither rewards or achievement points. The only need is in your head.

Oh? Where exactly do you get the impression that I feel I NEED to do the events? I’ve only done maybe five in total in the week the portals have been opening up. I’m well aware that everything past basic exotic (ascended if you run fractals) gear isn’t needed to play, sure it enhances your gameplay experience if you enjoy skins (which let’s face it, I do), but it’s not needed.

That being said, there’s nothing in the game I feel the need to do. I do what I want when I want and how I want, lately I’ve been experimenting with sPvP because that’s what I wanted to do with my time in game. I try to do the occasional portal just to get a little coin flow but after they nerfed deadeye farming I was content with my humble amount of gold. I want Twilight, but I only have 400g available, I’m not halfway there and yet I feel no need to mindlessly farm for hours on end to get close to my goal. Why? Because I don’t really enjoy that.

I would suggest you don’t assume things about people, you know what they say about. Have fun spending an hour doing dull rift events, if that’s what you enjoy, go for it. However I’m going to sit there, get my event tag, and leech because I’d much rather enjoy a show or read than run around with one of the mini zergs for a few more champ boxes when I’m already more than content with the money I have.

And for that exact reason you should get nothing at all. To be honest they should take away stuff from people like you.

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Posted by: Gehenna.3625

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I bet at least some of these people are those who did all the maps but didn’t get all the achieves. Now they don’t know which one(s) are missing and are having to do them all over again just for the achieve.

I would leach too if it were me redoing 13 maps because the game doesn’t credit you and there isn’t an ez way to tell unless you’ve been taking notes the whole time.

Map locations are fixed on the map. You can look up the maps on the might interwebs to find out which ones you missed. I don’t see what this has to do with joining a zerg and doing virtually nothing but still get rewards because the game rewards you for minimal activity. I may not like it but I think it’s “working as intended”.

If you did all 13 maps but was only credited for 11 or 12, how do you know which ones you didn’t get credit for? How does the list of maps help you in this case? In this case, you have to do every map all over again until you finally get credited. I’ve heard of one person having to do one map 3 times before getting credit for it.

Several of my guild mates have done all 13 but didn’t get credit for one or two of them. I had to do Frostgorge twice.

If you know of some map that shows the ones people did but didn’t get credit for, you should put it in an answer.

I get the feeling we’re not talking about the same thing here. I thought you meant map completion as in completing all zones in the world…pretty sure there’s more than 13 so you must be talking about something else.

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Posted by: Astral Projections.7320

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I bet at least some of these people are those who did all the maps but didn’t get all the achieves. Now they don’t know which one(s) are missing and are having to do them all over again just for the achieve.

I would leach too if it were me redoing 13 maps because the game doesn’t credit you and there isn’t an ez way to tell unless you’ve been taking notes the whole time.

Map locations are fixed on the map. You can look up the maps on the might interwebs to find out which ones you missed. I don’t see what this has to do with joining a zerg and doing virtually nothing but still get rewards because the game rewards you for minimal activity. I may not like it but I think it’s “working as intended”.

If you did all 13 maps but was only credited for 11 or 12, how do you know which ones you didn’t get credit for? How does the list of maps help you in this case? In this case, you have to do every map all over again until you finally get credited. I’ve heard of one person having to do one map 3 times before getting credit for it.

Several of my guild mates have done all 13 but didn’t get credit for one or two of them. I had to do Frostgorge twice.

If you know of some map that shows the ones people did but didn’t get credit for, you should put it in an answer.

I get the feeling we’re not talking about the same thing here. I thought you meant map completion as in completing all zones in the world…pretty sure there’s more than 13 so you must be talking about something else.

The thread is about people leaching invasion events and why they would do so. I can’t see any possible way to leach a map completion.

It’s possible to do an invasion event and not get credit toward the achieve.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

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Not just MMOs sadly, but life in general. How many people go to work simply for the paycheck, skating through on the absolute bare minimum, letting others pull the weight for them? How many take advantage of, or even abuse, state and federally funded welfare systems because they don’t want to have to put forth any effort in life? The games reflect our society, the good and the bad. We need to recognize the issues and fix them. Even if, for now, its only in a game, its at least a start.

Anet, we need the ability to report leechers back! [and people need to use it when we get it!]

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: MattyjRulz.2840

MattyjRulz.2840

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

Ladies and Gentlemen … everything that is wrong with MMOs!

Not just MMOs sadly, but life in general. How many people go to work simply for the paycheck, skating through on the absolute bare minimum, letting others pull the weight for them? How many take advantage of, or even abuse, state and federally funded welfare systems because they don’t want to have to put forth any effort in life? The games reflect our society, the good and the bad. We need to recognize the issues and fix them. Even if, for now, its only in a game, its at least a start.

Anet, we need the ability to report leechers back! [and people need to use it when we get it!]

:D making leeching fun, we can find hiding spots

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

Ladies and Gentlemen … everything that is wrong with MMOs!

Not just MMOs sadly, but life in general. How many people go to work simply for the paycheck, skating through on the absolute bare minimum, letting others pull the weight for them? How many take advantage of, or even abuse, state and federally funded welfare systems because they don’t want to have to put forth any effort in life? The games reflect our society, the good and the bad. We need to recognize the issues and fix them. Even if, for now, its only in a game, its at least a start.

Anet, we need the ability to report leechers back! [and people need to use it when we get it!]

:D making leeching fun, we can find hiding spots

:>

I think they should add something similar to the minigames… you stand still too long, you get booted. They should have the ability to track who is actively taking part in the event, and who is just standing around with their thumbs up their kittens. Yes, there are a lot of variables to take into consideration, but it can be done.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Zanryu.3417

Zanryu.3417

Honestly the event is just plain dull. There’s no true action, it’s just a bunch of mobs spawning from ri- portals. They have no real impact on the world around them, none of the npcs in the maps seem even the least bit concerned from what I can tell. For a living world it sure seems kind of stale. In any case, I leech and I have no shame about it. The events are boring, the fights are dull, and frankly I can’t be bothered spending 45 minutes of my time on it. If I wanted to play Rift, I’d play Rift. At least their rifts don’t take almost an hour to close.

You don’t have to do them, nothing you get from it is needed to play the game. Neither rewards or achievement points. The only need is in your head.

Oh? Where exactly do you get the impression that I feel I NEED to do the events? I’ve only done maybe five in total in the week the portals have been opening up. I’m well aware that everything past basic exotic (ascended if you run fractals) gear isn’t needed to play, sure it enhances your gameplay experience if you enjoy skins (which let’s face it, I do), but it’s not needed.

That being said, there’s nothing in the game I feel the need to do. I do what I want when I want and how I want, lately I’ve been experimenting with sPvP because that’s what I wanted to do with my time in game. I try to do the occasional portal just to get a little coin flow but after they nerfed deadeye farming I was content with my humble amount of gold. I want Twilight, but I only have 400g available, I’m not halfway there and yet I feel no need to mindlessly farm for hours on end to get close to my goal. Why? Because I don’t really enjoy that.

I would suggest you don’t assume things about people, you know what they say about. Have fun spending an hour doing dull rift events, if that’s what you enjoy, go for it. However I’m going to sit there, get my event tag, and leech because I’d much rather enjoy a show or read than run around with one of the mini zergs for a few more champ boxes when I’m already more than content with the money I have.

And for that exact reason you should get nothing at all. To be honest they should take away stuff from people like you.

See, here’s the thing. By going in and tagging a few events I’m earning credit for the overall event, along with the event I tagged. I’ve done what I needed to earn a portion of the reward, and I accept that it won’t be anywhere near as much as what someone who participates fully will earn. I miss out on experience, champion chests, and random blue/green/possibly yellow drops. I’m okay with this, because while people who do the events are content to sit there and complete mind numbing after mind numbing portal for a bigger reward… I’m not.

Tell me, why should I miss out on my portion when I did go in and complete a few events, hmm? I don’t work as hard sure, but I do enough that I should be rewarded. The fact of the matter is you can choose whether or not to take part and to what degree you would like to take part. You choose to complete the event, and it’s very likely that the reason you and so many others hate leechers is because they’re doing nowhere near as much as you but being rewarded anyway. However, the thing is, while you choose to do the event and get a much larger reward they choose not to and get one that pales in comparison.

What you have to realize is the portal events aren’t dungeons. You aren’t in a small group of people where everyone has to pay attention to succeed. The groups tend to be large enough that even with people leeching you still succeed, because quite honestly you just don’t need them anyway. Sure it would help smooth things up a bit and make for a faster event, but they aren’t needed.

tl;dr

It’s a if you can’t beat ‘em join ’em situation. Neither type of player is forced to do it the way the other wants. If you feel shafted, then leech too. If you don’t want to leech, then keep doing it and stop letting what other people do bother you so much.

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Posted by: MattyjRulz.2840

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I’m going to have to say I hate it when people leech, but in that I’m definitely a hypocrite, this event is a massive chore, in-between uni, sleeping, watching shows I’ve been trying to get 1 last area for 13/13 unique map invasions, and It just wont come into the rotation around the time I play. so anyway until this mythical 13th map appears for me when I’m playing I will continue to be a non-participant, because I’ve done this invasion thing for too long.

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Posted by: LadyRhonwyn.2501

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I’ve leeched part of events. Simply because sometimes natured called. Or my neighbour suddenly showed up and asked me something. Or my cat brought in something I personally don’t care for in the house. Or a million other reasons.

Those things take 45 minutes. Anything can happen in those 45 minutes. And would you log off because your neighbour shows up after spending 20 minutes already?

I’ve done several invasions yesterday, where I actively played about 30 minutes out of those 45. And I’ve done several invasions where I took 20 minutes to unlock WP’s… (and not clear portals of any kind).

Oh, and what about those that already were in the map when the invasion happened? They should either leave the map or be forced to participate?

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

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I’ve leeched part of events. Simply because sometimes natured called. Or my neighbour suddenly showed up and asked me something. Or my cat brought in something I personally don’t care for in the house. Or a million other reasons.

Those things take 45 minutes. Anything can happen in those 45 minutes. And would you log off because your neighbour shows up after spending 20 minutes already?

I’ve done several invasions yesterday, where I actively played about 30 minutes out of those 45. And I’ve done several invasions where I took 20 minutes to unlock WP’s… (and not clear portals of any kind).

Oh, and what about those that already were in the map when the invasion happened? They should either leave the map or be forced to participate?

There’s a big difference between these things and the people that just show up to hang out though.

It’s one thing to have to open waypoints so you can help, or having to get up to deal with the mouse your cat just brought in as a trophy vs showing up, and just standing there chatting doing nothing for the duration.

We probably all ‘leech’ to some extent; however its people the latter category that should be penalized.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Gehenna.3625

Gehenna.3625

The thread is about people leaching invasion events and why they would do so. I can’t see any possible way to leach a map completion.

It’s possible to do an invasion event and not get credit toward the achieve.

Well the thread isn’t just about that, als more general comments had been made about leeching in general. Also I haven’t done the invasion stuff at all. Add to that the fact that you didn’t reply to any comment in particular and there was my misunderstanding.

Cleared up now.

It’s a game forum. The truth is not to be found here.

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Posted by: Algreg.3629

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well, that happens when you design an event you have to attend at the end, but can realistically only enter at the beginning – taking almost an hour. Not much harm done, nothing compared to idlers in sPvP for daily achievement, now THAT´s a rage situation.

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Posted by: Inspired.6730

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I’ve leeched part of events. Simply because sometimes natured called. Or my neighbour suddenly showed up and asked me something. Or my cat brought in something I personally don’t care for in the house. Or a million other reasons.

Those things take 45 minutes. Anything can happen in those 45 minutes. And would you log off because your neighbour shows up after spending 20 minutes already?

I’ve done several invasions yesterday, where I actively played about 30 minutes out of those 45. And I’ve done several invasions where I took 20 minutes to unlock WP’s… (and not clear portals of any kind).

Oh, and what about those that already were in the map when the invasion happened? They should either leave the map or be forced to participate?

There’s a big difference between these things and the people that just show up to hang out though.

It’s one thing to have to open waypoints so you can help, or having to get up to deal with the mouse your cat just brought in as a trophy vs showing up, and just standing there chatting doing nothing for the duration.

We probably all ‘leech’ to some extent; however its people the latter category that should be penalized.

Actually, no there isn’t.

It’s a PVE open world. Not a dungeon or PVP match of some sort. Anyone can go there for any reason they want and do whatever they want.

Whether they get rewards for anything that happens in that zone is entirely between them and Anet.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

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Actually, no there isn’t.

It’s a PVE open world. Not a dungeon or PVP match of some sort. Anyone can go there for any reason they want and do whatever they want.

Whether they get rewards for anything that happens in that zone is entirely between them and Anet.

Hm…considering they wouldn’t otherwise be there except there is an event that they want the goodies from, but they can’t be bothered to participate in said event. This is as bad as [afk]ing pvp just to get your ‘play x matches’ daily crap.

Freeloading is freeloading, plain and simple.

Edit: Freaking filter

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: LadyRhonwyn.2501

LadyRhonwyn.2501

Actually, no there isn’t.

It’s a PVE open world. Not a dungeon or PVP match of some sort. Anyone can go there for any reason they want and do whatever they want.

Whether they get rewards for anything that happens in that zone is entirely between them and Anet.

Hm…considering they wouldn’t otherwise be there except there is an event that they want the goodies from, but they can’t be bothered to participate in said event. This is as bad as akitteng pvp just to get your ‘play x matches’ daily crap.

Freeloading is freeloading, plain and simple.

So, I’m mapping Dredgehaunt Cliffs on my lvl40. Suddenly, the invasion… well, invades. I should now leave the area because I don’t want to help with the events? I have something to do there….

You do know that some people actually play the game and are not only chasing champions in certain areas, right?

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Posted by: AndrewSX.3794

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Is the design that allows/encourages it.

-completion achievement on failure. This has surely made to avoid the cries “Omg this map too difficult to get can’t have my achievement change it please!”, which is a welcomed thing at first glance, but also takes away all the motivation to actually succeed, and thus partecipate/contribute to this events.

-map wide rewards. Get in, do a couple of events to have the tagged reward, wait till rest of map do the job. Meanwhile..

-events spawned mobs. If you don’t care of failing/succeding (cause you get reward and achi anyway) everything left is farming champs by zerging the c*ap out of the events. It’s the least effective way to succed the event but as said, ppl prefer it cause champs = loot. Even after the tweak at spawn rate.

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Most used: Guard/Mes/War/Nec/Ele.
Yes, i use 5 chars at time. Because REASONS.

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Posted by: Inspired.6730

Inspired.6730

Actually, no there isn’t.

It’s a PVE open world. Not a dungeon or PVP match of some sort. Anyone can go there for any reason they want and do whatever they want.

Whether they get rewards for anything that happens in that zone is entirely between them and Anet.

Hm…considering they wouldn’t otherwise be there except there is an event that they want the goodies from, but they can’t be bothered to participate in said event. This is as bad as [afk]ing pvp just to get your ‘play x matches’ daily crap.

Freeloading is freeloading, plain and simple.

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I don’t think it should matter. If you start operating based on the premise that how someone plays in open world PVE creates obligations to other players you have fundamentally changed the nature of MMO’s.

Even in real life it’s almost never the case that you get punished for doing nothing while life occurs around you. Changing that is a big deal.

But, if it helps, you can call it leeching that there is nothing wrong with doing. It’s open world and so when you go there to do anything it is based on you knowing that it will be with other players who go there to do anything and everything they want to do also. And it may not coincide with your goals, but that is okay because it’s open world.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

Invasions are in zones with other things going. If someone wants to do other things or just watch. They have the right too.

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Posted by: locoman.1974

locoman.1974

Actually, no there isn’t.

It’s a PVE open world. Not a dungeon or PVP match of some sort. Anyone can go there for any reason they want and do whatever they want.

Whether they get rewards for anything that happens in that zone is entirely between them and Anet.

Hm…considering they wouldn’t otherwise be there except there is an event that they want the goodies from, but they can’t be bothered to participate in said event. This is as bad as [afk]ing pvp just to get your ‘play x matches’ daily crap.

Freeloading is freeloading, plain and simple.

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Not necesarely… at least once I was exploring on sparfly fen (doing some events for the daily maguma event), got a phone call from my wife that’s out of town so I parked my character in a waypoint… several minutes later I went back to the game (not sure how long), an invasion had kicked out in the map and they were already on the second wave.

It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

Yes.

And there’s nothing wrong with it tbh. It’s a pretty boring event to begin with, and unless you want swift closer, a hit on Scarlet, or farm champions, there really isn’t much of a reason to stick around.

I don’t blame them. I usually just complete a couple of the rift events, and then alt/tab to the forums or something like that. Unless I’m playing with friends, which can make the experience a little bit more enjoyable.

Actually this kind of behaviour leads to the frequent failures of the event, not to mention that thanks to the leechers those players that really would like to contribute are forced to the overflow servers not hosting the event.

NOT everyone wants to take part in the event! You think everyone waypointed there?

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

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So, I’m mapping Dredgehaunt Cliffs on my lvl40. Suddenly, the invasion… well, invades. I should now leave the area because I don’t want to help with the events? I have something to do there….

You do know that some people actually play the game and are not only chasing champions in certain areas, right?

This falls under the classification of ‘variables’ that have to be taken into account. Yes, I’m well aware that some people are in the map to do map completion, or a story quest, or w/e. Not all are there for the invasion necessarily, or may already be there when it pops. This still isn’t freeloading per se. You didn’t map in solely to stand around and take up space, you’re still doing something. Which is the whole point people are missing.

Not necesarely… at least once I was exploring on sparfly fen (doing some events for the daily maguma event), got a phone call from my wife that’s out of town so I parked my character in a waypoint… several minutes later I went back to the game (not sure how long), an invasion had kicked out in the map and they were already on the second wave.

And again, I repeat variables that have to be considered.

No where did I state thakittens a perfectly cut and dry line between what is leeching and isn’t. I did say that to some extent we’ve all done it. Shades of grey, nothing is ever perfectly black and white; however, something could still be done about those that are obvious mooches. The ones that only map in to get the reward, but put no effort what so ever into attaining it. If you want the goodies, you should have to work for them, at least a fricking little bit.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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