Guild Wars 2

It seems the only way to really be able to enjoy the game is by studying the trading post. Just playing the game gets you nowhere.

I made my own Mystic forge conduit when Guildwars 2 just started and kept it since as a way to save my money. If I had checked the price more often I would probably have sold it. In my mind it was about 600-800 gold but it seems it actually had been worth over 1500 gold. With the way they made it obtainable again now it lost all its value completely.

If this is Arenanet taking down high value items none of them are worth a thing now, we already know that legendaries and precursors will be easier to obtain in Heart of Thorns.

Meanwhile the players having these high value items will be robbed of their money.
What are your opinions? Is it fine if they just decide something should not be worth as much as it is?

You took a risk in holding onto it. The mystic conduit recipe was introduced to remove large amounts low level crafting mats from the economy that were not being used. Assuming that the recipe would never be needed again to control the amount of mats was foolish and anet isn’t stealing from you.

I’m not sure the players that have been waiting 3 years for a Precursor to drop are thinking along the line that ArenaNet is stealing from them when they will soon be given the opportunity to obtain said Precursor through a guaranteed method, but…

…like um, noses and opinions – everyone has one.

RiShardV.8456:

It seems the only way to really be able to enjoy the game is by studying the trading post. Just playing the game gets you nowhere.

I think you’re mistaking “enjoying the game” with “making gold in the game”. If making gold is what you enjoy sure, but I’m telling you there are a lot of people out there paying no attention to the trading post while enjoying themselves thoroughly.

I made my own Mystic forge conduit when Guildwars 2 just started and kept it since as a way to save my money. If I had checked the price more often I would probably have sold it. In my mind it was about 600-800 gold but it seems it actually had been worth over 1500 gold. With the way they made it obtainable again now it lost all its value completely.

Honestly if you lost out on selling it for 1.5k gold that’s your own fault for not paying attention to it’s price.

If this is Arenanet taking down high value items none of them are worth a thing now, we already know that legendaries and precursors will be easier to obtain in Heart of Thorns.

Meanwhile the players having these high value items will be robbed of their money.
What are your opinions? Is it fine if they just decide something should not be worth as much as it is?

As far as I’m concerned keeping your gold in assets is a gamble in itself, as your story is a testament to. Do what those who “run” the tp do. Learn from your bad investment/timing and move on.

Welcome to the world of economics! This has nothing to do with stealing and everything with availability of resources, supply and demand. If the supply becomes more readily available but the demand remains unchanged prices drop.
You could make a case that it is Anet who is making these resources more readily available, but it is still basically the same as if a mining corporation discovered a huge deposit of raw diamonds and broke the De Beers monopoly with it. That corporation would not be stealing from De Beers, yet De Beers would be poorer for it.

I agree I am partly to blame for not being smart enough here and I have enjoyed playing the game for the past years at least some of the time. I would like to argue though that having more gold lets me buy more sets of equipment and lets me enjoy the game in more different ways.

Locce.8405:

Welcome to the world of economics! This has nothing to do with stealing and everything with availability of resources, supply and demand. If the supply becomes more readily available but the demand remains unchanged prices drop.
You could make a case that it is Anet who is making these resources more readily available, but it is still basically the same as if a mining corporation discovered a huge deposit of raw diamonds and broke the De Beers monopoly with it. That corporation would not be stealing from De Beers, yet De Beers would be poorer for it.

In the end it will always be Anet deciding how they make something available. And similar items like the permanent banking license and such are only available as a very rare drop from the black lion chests. These items being pretty valuable as well may have guaranteed a more steady price drop if the mystic forge conduit was reintroduced in this way.

I could sit here and gripe about how I could have sold mine for 1500 and then bought a cheap one, but I like that mine isn’t account bound (although on further reflection its a nice safety net so its not a stealable item)
And this means maybe I’ll be able to afford another

Whoot?
my 15 chars

RiShardV.8456:

If this is Arenanet taking down high value items none of them are worth a thing now, we already know that legendaries and precursors will be easier to obtain in Heart of Thorns.

Funnily enough, prices for most precursors are at their highest value since the start of the year.

Yea I think you got burned you saw it selling for high and hoped to sell it for higher, its human nature

I’m sure a new hot item will come along and be overvalued and then you can hold on to that and not sell it and balance will be restored to the world.

Stealing!? You snooze, you lose. Things like this happen, I could have made a killing waaaay back when you could get vanilla beans for karma and they changed them so you had to farm them.. Did I get mad? No, kitten happens..

Play the market was always a risk form of earn money. That why you sell it when it have reached a acceptable value (If you are not going to use).

In-game itens, that can be generated at the pure wish of devs, are always on risk of being on sale again, or returning itens.

They even have been kind to make the new conduit acc bound on use, so it don’t increase the supply of the original one, so you might have a rise on your free-to-use one time again when ppl stop gambling with ectos.

Just the way things go, the market tends to change rapidly…

Just because something is currently unobtainable doesn’t mean it has to remain that way forever. Imagine being one of the people that bought the perma hair kit BEFOR it made it’s way back into the black lion chests.

Linken.6345:

Yea I think you got burned you saw it selling for high and hoped to sell it for higher, its human nature

Honestly, rather than hoping to sell for higher I was just hoping it would keep its value. I never had any use for such a big pile gold at anytime and I enjoyed having the item.
If only I was good at economics, I could have made thousands of gold over the years like many others.

RiShardV.8456:

Linken.6345:

Yea I think you got burned you saw it selling for high and hoped to sell it for higher, its human nature

Honestly, rather than hoping to sell for higher I was just hoping it would keep its value. I never had any use for such a big pile gold at anytime and I enjoyed having the item.
If only I was good at economics, I could have made thousands of gold over the years like many others.

I am failing to understand how you feel this change affected you when you never intended to make any kind of financial gain off of the item in the first place.

Enlighten please?

Technically, you agreed that all your in game items still belong to NC Soft, so they cant steal anything from you, as it was never yours in the first place.

RiShardV.8456:

It seems the only way to really be able to enjoy the game is by studying the trading post. Just playing the game gets you nowhere.

What? I use the TP to mainly sell things I don’t need or buy things I do need. Going by your title, No Anet never logged into my account and stole things from my inventory or took my gold.

RiShardV.8456:

I made my own Mystic forge conduit when Guildwars 2 just started and kept it since as a way to save my money. If I had checked the price more often I would probably have sold it. In my mind it was about 600-800 gold but it seems it actually had been worth over 1500 gold. With the way they made it obtainable again now it lost all its value completely.

Well I never got the first one and tried to gamble for parts for this new one but decided its not worth it and I’ll just have to wp to towns to use the forge. Also how did it lose its value completely? Did you not use it the entire time you had it and are not using it to this day?

RiShardV.8456:

If this is Arenanet taking down high value items none of them are worth a thing now, we already know that legendaries and precursors will be easier to obtain in Heart of Thorns

Easier? No one knows just yet how much it will take to get one of the new precursors so saying it is easier really isn’t a true statement. I also heard (not sure if true) but you can only do the precursor thing once for each of the new precursors and they can not be sold (not sure if true just things I’ve heard) So its not like those that play way more are just going to farm precursors and sell them to make tons of gold

RiShardV.8456:

Meanwhile the players having these high value items will be robbed of their money.
What are your opinions? Is it fine if they just decide something should not be worth as much as it is?

I don’t see this at all. You’ve had this item for longer than any one that gets this new one. It was your choice to sell or keep it. Then again you are saying you feel Anet is robbing players but seems you wanted to rob players and lost your chance to do so since you kept it.

RiShardV.8456:

Arenanet stealing from the players?

Try to avoid hyperbole in your title; it defeats the point you are trying to get across. I’m sure you don’t mean “stealing” in the sense of “taking something without permission & intending never to return it.”

Certainly, ANet didn’t actually take gold from you — all you had was the potential of gold. Certainly, ANet fully intends to offer the same potential, since it consistently removes sources for many tradeable items, allowing you to sit on them until their supply hits rock bottom and people are willing to pay silly amounts to get them.

RiShardV.8456:

It seems the only way to really be able to enjoy the game is by studying the trading post. Just playing the game gets you nowhere.

Again, I hope that you are deliberately exaggerating, since everyone must know by this point that there are untold ways in which to enjoy the game.

Further, I know a lot of folks that have played since launch that have a lot of wealth, mostly because they don’t spend a lot and the money starts to add up.

RiShardV.8456:

I made my own Mystic forge conduit when Guildwars 2 just started and kept it since as a way to save my money. If I had checked the price more often I would probably have sold it. In my mind it was about 600-800 gold but it seems it actually had been worth over 1500 gold. With the way they made it obtainable again now it lost all its value completely.

Hey, I thought of selling when it was 1.5k and I decided I liked having the portable forge. Now that there’s an account bound version that’s a lot cheaper, I wonder why I didn’t. But hey, that’s what happens in the market: sometimes you guess right and sometimes, not so much.

Wait, did I read here just now, that its possible again to make that item, that lets you have a personal mxystic tpoilet whenever you want???

if yes, thats great news….
Everyone should have somethign like this, because it helps greatly to keep the inventory CLEAN FROM ALL THE JUNK and you have a chance of gettign more valuable things …

I seriously never understood, why anet removed the drops and methods of obtainign the iterms that you need to craft yourself that useful tool.
They should have never done this bullcrap and the stuff would have never ever become so ridiculous overexpensive at all that just the upper 1% of the community is abvle to buy it off right from the TP …

Stuff like this tool should have been kept as ultimate rewards that you can earn in this game, sso I fidn it awesoenm, that Anet introduced as it seems a new way to get the materials to craft that permanent mystic toilet.

just great news

RiShardV.8456:

Linken.6345:

Yea I think you got burned you saw it selling for high and hoped to sell it for higher, its human nature

Honestly, rather than hoping to sell for higher I was just hoping it would keep its value. I never had any use for such a big pile gold at anytime and I enjoyed having the item.
If only I was good at economics, I could have made thousands of gold over the years like many others.

If your not going to sell it why do you even care if it drops in value?
You still have your item and just becouse average joe got 1 to dont make you have it any less

No, it’s not stealing.

It was an investment. There is usually some risk. Better to learn this in a game than real life. Arenanet isn’t stealing from players, they are teaching a valuable lesson.

An investment that doesn’t work out in favor of the investor does not equal theft. Anet didn’t steal anything from anyone here.

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand: how do you get a new version of a mystic conduit?

Daddicus.6128:

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand: how do you get a new version of a mystic conduit?

pretty sure its from the skritt ecto gambler

One should never assume items will not be reintroduced. Everything in game should have a supply chain.

Working as intended.

“It seems the only way to really be able to enjoy the game is by studying the trading post. Just playing the game gets you nowhere.”

A ridiculous hyperbole that is not true at all.

It’s impossible for ArenaNet to steal something that already belongs to them.

In-game gold and other currencies are property of ArenaNet.

Let me see, translation.

“I made an item and assumed it had lower value — due to rarity — than was actually true. I waited until after ANet had made the item obtainable again to investigate, at which point I discovered the missed opportunity. Thus, ANet stole from me.”

Looks to me like you assumed the item was worth less than was true due to a failure on your part to inform your self. The one responsible for the lost opportunity was the person who chose not to investigate the item’s value when s/he had the chance.

There’s an old saying, “You snooze, you lose.”

“Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.”

— Betteridge’s law of headlines