Guild Wars 2

DavidH.7380:

However, this isn’t some theoretical addition to the game. We’ve had ascended gear for two years, we have a lot of players who’ve invested a lot of time and effort to obtain it,

So? Didn’t stop ANet from wiping the progress of fractal runners back down to 30 for leaderboards that never even appeared.

DavidH.7380:

and A’net has given no indication that they think this is anything other than working as intended.

ANet also swore up and down that Final Rest was working as intended.

DavidH.7380:

So, what I don’t understand is why some people think their preferences justify negating two years of history and invalidating the work of vast numbers of other players, despite A’net apparently disagreeing, simply because a different A’net game worked like that.

Well again, the original intent of this game was that BiS was easily obtained, as well. The problem is that they did a whiplash 180 to begin with. Ascended shouldn’t even exist.

And as for invalidating that work? Again, I’d just like to point you over to fractal leaderboards.

DavidH.7380:

I know it isn’t what you wanted, but at least A’net recommitted recently to not introducing new gear tiers past ascended and the accessories are pretty easy to get.

Accessories isn’t full gear. It’s not the same, it will never be the same as being fully kitted out.

As for their “No more gear tiers”? Doesn’t much mean anything to promise it this time when they already failed to keep that ideal alive the first time. The damage is already done, and will never be repaired until it’s far easier to obtain Ascended.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

The idea of the game is to be playing for years… But no, everyone has to have it NOW NOW NOW. Why?

Because I don’t want to spend years obtaining armor through something as infuriating as crafting or RNG. I want to, you know, actually have fun and enjoy myself.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

The idea of the game is to be playing for years… But no, everyone has to have it NOW NOW NOW. Why?

Because I don’t want to spend years obtaining armor through something as infuriating as crafting or RNG. I want to, you know, actually have fun and enjoy myself.[/quote]

Why should your lack of ability to manage your emotions be my problem? MMO is lifestyle, there are millions (literally) of games designed for a short atention span.

If you want to have fun and enjoy yourself in guild wars 2, aet your goals and live with it. As you may have read in the message I wrote.. I AM having fun and enjoying myself doing exactly what is infuriating to you,

Get yourself some Jedi training, dear.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Why should your lack of ability to manage your emotions be my problem?

You asked why, I answered. Not my problem you don’t like my response.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

MMO is lifestyle,

No

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

If you want to have fun and enjoy yourself in guild wars 2, aet your goals and live with it.

So, treat a game like real life?

Yeah, no. Screw that. Games shouldn’t feel like real life. That’s bad game design.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

As you may have read in the message I wrote.. I AM having fun and enjoying myself doing exactly what is infuriating to you,

And I care about you enjoying it just as much as you care about my not enjoying it.

Which is not at all.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Get yourself some Jedi training, dear.

Better idea. Take your condescension and your Jedi training and shove them up your kitten .

This is why I wish ascended armor was soul bound but the stats could be changed for free preferably. I completed the grind once, but my character no longer uses such stats so the armor is effectively useless.

I grinded out a set of armor over the span of an entire month and I only have 8+ wasted bank slots to show for it.

Gene Archer.8560:

stuff written about how MMO is just a game, and GW2 being a badly designed game

Small part about MMOs from the internetz:

“Since the interactions between MMORPG players are real, even if the environments are virtual, psychologists and sociologists are able to use MMORPGs as tools for academic research. Sherry Turkle, a clinical psychologist, has conducted interviews with computer users including game-players. Turkle found that many people have expanded their emotional range by exploring the many different roles (including gender identities) that MMORPGs allow a person to explore”

Social aspect of MMOs makes them a lifestyle to huge part of the player base of ANY MMO out there.
Deal with it and stop being so aggressive while discussing “just a badly designed game”.

Gene Archer.8560:

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

The idea of the game is to be playing for years… But no, everyone has to have it NOW NOW NOW. Why?

Because I don’t want to spend years obtaining armor through something as infuriating as crafting or RNG. I want to, you know, actually have fun and enjoy myself.

Because having all ascended gear and having fun in the game is mutually exclusive right? Oh wait…

Harny.6012:

Social aspect of MMOs makes them a lifestyle to huge part of the player base of ANY MMO out there. Deal with it

No

Harny.6012:

and stop being so aggressive

Also no

Harny.6012:

while discussing “just a badly designed game”.

I said designing a game to act like our reality is bad design. The point of games is for entertainment, to escape the “unfaireness” of real life. So this live within your means crap? No, screw that. That’s not fun. That’s just real life. And I don’t buy and play games to experience real life.

I feel pretty bad for anyone that made THIS game their lifestyle lol.

Lifestealer.4910:

I feel pretty bad for anyone that made THIS game their lifestyle lol.

Couldn’t that be said for any video game? It would be unfortunate for anyone to live that way. I’m sure there are many circumstances that would lead into that lifestyle, medical conditions being one of them. I have to think if one is to consider a video game a lifestyle there is a reason for it.

Fernling.1729:

Lifestealer.4910:

I feel pretty bad for anyone that made THIS game their lifestyle lol.

Couldn’t that be said for any video game? It would be unfortunate for anyone to live that way. I’m sure there are many circumstances that would lead into that lifestyle, medical conditions being one of them. I have to think if one is to consider a video game a lifestyle there is a reason for it.

I have several colleagues that do almost nothing but work and play EVE. They drink expensive craft beer and live way below their means and don’t go outside pretty much ever, but in EVE, they’re basically as gods, as I understand.

They’re happy with life as such. Power to them. Can’t say they don’t work and earn their right to live as they please, since they’re really not harming anyone to do so.

Some people spend their time on Facebook. Some people play chess, ,.. Just happens that my friends get social through this.

Resorting to personal insults tends to demonstrate a failure to have rational discourse to provide to a discussion. If a game is making you this mad, why are you playing? I mean..really, seriously. I’m not trying to troll anyone,

Life’s to short to rage over something you love, then insult others for claiming they also love it.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Resorting to personal insults

You mean like referring to people expressing dissatisfaction with an aspect of the game as crying on the forums ? Or perhaps referring to others as lacking the ability to manage their emotions ?

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Every minute spent crying on the forums is a minute less earning your reward.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Why should your lack of ability to manage your emotions be my problem?

8 characters.

2 rings, 7 aquatic weapons and 3 armors left until full ascended everything on all 8. And given how asc crafting is purely a time driven process, RNG plays no role here. Probably going to make full asc for the 9th char (revenant) soon after these are done. Didn’t play every day either or buy a single time gated material. Those who did would have completed full asc for even more characters, easily. I know of players with more than 15 chars, and map completion for all of them, which takes even more time.

Every moment you complain about it being too hard is a moment you’re not spending getting it. By the time you’ve given up on the lack of any response from Anet, someone else would have already gotten 2 sets in the meantime.

P.S. The stat advantage is minimal relative to food and utility consumables. You are entitled to complain if you use food and utility consumables for every piece of content you do, because ascended does, in fact, limit your max viability in that case. If you don’t, you’re not being honest with yourself, since the viability loss from asc (~5-7%) is small relative to food (~12%) and potions (10%), and costs what… 1,000 times more?

Hayashi.3416:

Every moment you complain about it being too hard is a moment you’re not spending getting it. By the time you’ve given up on the lack of any response from Anet, someone else would have already gotten 2 sets in the meantime.

One drop in two years. Can’t use the stats so its pretty much a waste but lets pretend it was useful. It will take a total of more than 20 useful drops for me to get back to having BiS gear (as I had within a few weeks of launch). At a rate of one drop every two years or so that works out to over 40 years. I think I can spare a moment or two on the forums when talking about that kind of time frame.

Go craft it. The kind of asc weapon that drops for me was a Magi weapon.

The crappiness of that stat makes RARES look good.

I don’t craft in MMOs. Perhaps someday there will be a game with a crafting system that doesn’t feel like an obnoxious chore or a second job, but GW2 is not that game.

I’ve put in the time, effort, and resources to get BiS which has been subsequently taken away. Now I’m being asked to grind for the next half a century or take on a second job in order to get it back.

Gene Archer.8560:

Harny.6012:

Social aspect of MMOs makes them a lifestyle to huge part of the player base of ANY MMO out there. Deal with it

No

Harny.6012:

and stop being so aggressive

Also no

Harny.6012:

while discussing “just a badly designed game”.

I said designing a game to act like our reality is bad design. The point of games is for entertainment, to escape the “unfaireness” of real life. So this live within your means crap? No, screw that. That’s not fun. That’s just real life. And I don’t buy and play games to experience real life.

Haha, okay okay. I get it, you can’t be any different. Don’t worry, I’m not angry with you

lol

Milennin.4825:

I know this is old (inb4 old news is old), but I recently came back to Guild Wars 2 after a long break and discovered how much of a grind Ascended gear is, and feel like writing a rant (deal with it).

It takes me 5 days to craft one Ascended weapon!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? And that’s assuming I already have all the materials required. Oh, but it only costs 500 of this and that and that. Yeah, that’s only 3 weeks of grinding dungeons, bosses, events and what else you got. For one weapon. Are you kidding me!?
So, if I have one character that uses like 6 weapons, it takes me at minimum a full month to craft all his stuff. But that’s without taking in account the time it takes to grind the Gold and the 1000s of Dragonite Ores and Empyreal Fragments required to craft them. And that’s only for one character that only uses 6 weapons. Then what about my other 4 guys, that use 6+ weapons each? I’m not even going to do the math for that.
And what if I’d like to change my character’s build at one point… what if I get bored of a certain playstyle and want to try something else without sacrificing my stats? Tough ****ing luck because you’ll have to grind another 3 months just to get your single character fully equipped again (that’s even ignoring the ridiculous amount of Transmutation Stones required if I’d want to keep my old look).

And before anyone says you don’t need Ascended gear: YOU ARE WRONG. Of course you need Ascended gear, why else is it there? Why else have they have given it better stats than Exotic gear? By that logic we would not need any gear at all since people can solo dungeons not wearing any armour whatsoever. Like, durr, why do we need any armour in GW2 at all when we can clear content in our underwear?
Whichever gear gives the best stats is what we NEED.

“But you get all the stuff you need while playing the game, no grind required.” Again: WRONG. What if I like playing dungeons? That doesn’t give me any Dragonite Ore (seriously, who came up with that name, anyway?) What if I don’t like world bosses? They’re just one giant lag fest making me feel like I’m watching a Powerpoint slideshow and don’t offer any satisfying gameplay since it’s just “stand in 1 place with the 100 other peoples and auto-attack away”.
So, I need to do 20 hours of world bosses for a single Ascended weapon. And you call that no grind. LOL!?!?

What exactly happened to this no-grind philosophy? Why wasn’t Exotic gear good enough as a final tier of gear? It’s not like people were unable to clear any content with Exotics anyway. Ascended serves no logical purpose other than to **** off those people who don’t have the time to play 28 hours a day, 450 days a year.

I agree, with your OP… but the main thing you’re forgetting is that you have to use Anet’s definition of the word, “grind”.

Ahem…

Anet says that grind only applies to Best in Slot gea…. … wait…

No, they said that players should be able to easily get BiS gear through normal gameplay… with… no… … grind… wait that can’t be right…

Anet has stated! That it is not considered a grind, since you are given different ways to get Ascended gear! Like… like.. crafting, and…. …

Meh I tried to defend them but couldn’t. Concedes

Durzo.1265:

1 – If it were easy, it would be meaningless.

If you were going to say that if ascended was easy to get, there wouldn’t be any reason to introduce it beyond what exotics already covered, i am going to agree. The only reason behind the ascended is the grind. They have no other function. And thus, they shouldn’t exist. But since they are already in the game, we can minimize the damage their existence brought by making them meaningless.

Ashen.2907:

I don’t craft in MMOs. Perhaps someday there will be a game with a crafting system that doesn’t feel like an obnoxious chore or a second job, but GW2 is not that game.

I’ve put in the time, effort, and resources to get BiS which has been subsequently taken away. Now I’m being asked to grind for the next half a century or take on a second job in order to get it back.

I don’t, either, but GW2’s isn’t slow and there’s no need to be a “crafter” for it to pay off.

Going from 0-500 LW and WS in a day because I had the mats just laying around proved this to me as it not being like most other games in a lot of regards. People actually do early-game levels via crafting on the sheer basis that it’s less-grindy than killing mobs/doing hearts and is much faster by like a factor of ten.

GW2 was meant to be a game where players do a little bit of everything, or at least try. That’s why there’s “no grind” and “no farming;” the player is meant to get results by doing a little of everything and subsequently being maxed out because of it.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

MMO is lifestyle,

Dear lord… just made my night with this comment. Will be laughing for quite some time.

The longer this game drags on the more this forums starts to look like a tumblr snapshot.

DeceiverX.8361:

Ashen.2907:

I don’t craft in MMOs. Perhaps someday there will be a game with a crafting system that doesn’t feel like an obnoxious chore or a second job, but GW2 is not that game.

I’ve put in the time, effort, and resources to get BiS which has been subsequently taken away. Now I’m being asked to grind for the next half a century or take on a second job in order to get it back.

I don’t, either, but GW2’s isn’t slow and there’s no need to be a “crafter” for it to pay off.

Going from 0-500 LW and WS in a day because I had the mats just laying around proved this to me as it not being like most other games in a lot of regards. People actually do early-game levels via crafting on the sheer basis that it’s less-grindy than killing mobs/doing hearts and is much faster by like a factor of ten.

GW2 was meant to be a game where players do a little bit of everything, or at least try. That’s why there’s “no grind” and “no farming;” the player is meant to get results by doing a little of everything and subsequently being maxed out because of it.

Killing mobs and doing hearts is play for me. Crafting is a detestable chore. Spending my day off pulling an extra twelve hour shift at work is more enjoyable than a game session spent crafting.

I am not sure that developing multiple crafting professions to 500 and crafting a couple dozen pieces of ascended gear would qualify as, “a little bit,” of crafting but I spent the time and money to get multiple sets of BiS already. If other people want some long involved process so that it feels like an achievement to them, fine. I dont have a problem with that. Just add an option to skip that process for those who want BiS by level 80 and for whom getting BiS gear is not the journey itself but rather the first step in starting the journey.

Ashen.2907:

Killing mobs and doing hearts is play for me. Crafting is a detestable chore. Spending my day off pulling an extra twelve hour shift at work is more enjoyable than a game session spent crafting.

I am not sure that developing multiple crafting professions to 500 and crafting a couple dozen pieces of ascended gear would qualify as, “a little bit,” of crafting but I spent the time and money to get multiple sets of BiS already. If other people want some long involved process so that it feels like an achievement to them, fine. I dont have a problem with that. Just add an option to skip that process for those who want BiS by level 80 and for whom getting BiS gear is not the journey itself but rather the first step in starting the journey.

You need ascended gear to complete hearts?

It has been said 100 times, but I will say it the 101st, aside from fractals, the difference between ascended and exotic is negligible. Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

What part of your journey has been delayed by your need to get ascended?

And before you try the “Why wear armour at all?” line, the difference between rare and exotic is noticeable. The difference between exotic and ascended is not.

Cormac.3871:

Ashen.2907:

Killing mobs and doing hearts is play for me. Crafting is a detestable chore. Spending my day off pulling an extra twelve hour shift at work is more enjoyable than a game session spent crafting.

I am not sure that developing multiple crafting professions to 500 and crafting a couple dozen pieces of ascended gear would qualify as, “a little bit,” of crafting but I spent the time and money to get multiple sets of BiS already. If other people want some long involved process so that it feels like an achievement to them, fine. I dont have a problem with that. Just add an option to skip that process for those who want BiS by level 80 and for whom getting BiS gear is not the journey itself but rather the first step in starting the journey.

You need ascended gear to complete hearts?

It has been said 100 times, but I will say it the 101st, aside from fractals, the difference between ascended and exotic is negligible. Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

What part of your journey has been delayed by your need to get ascended?

And before you try the “Why wear armour at all?” line, the difference between rare and exotic is noticeable. The difference between exotic and ascended is not.

Never claimed that I needed ascended to complete hearts. Really not sure where you got that from what was actually said.

I notice a performance difference when I equip a trait that increases damage by 5%. Unless full ascended weapons/armor/accessories provides significantly less than that (and the math has shown that it is actually more) it is noticeable (for me).

Cormac.3871:

Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

That is actually an edge significant enough to warrant going in full ascended. Definitely not negligible.

Ashen.2907:

Cormac.3871:

You need ascended gear to complete hearts?

It has been said 100 times, but I will say it the 101st, aside from fractals, the difference between ascended and exotic is negligible. Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

What part of your journey has been delayed by your need to get ascended?

And before you try the “Why wear armour at all?” line, the difference between rare and exotic is noticeable. The difference between exotic and ascended is not.

Never claimed that I needed ascended to complete hearts. Really not sure where you got that from what was actually said.

I notice a performance difference when I equip a trait that increases damage by 5%. Unless full ascended weapons/armor/accessories provides significantly less than that (and the math has shown that it is actually more) it is noticeable (for me).

Well, you started off by saying that doing hearts was playing the game for you and you concluded by saying that getting BiS armour was the start of the game for you. I thought that was a little inconsistent and was hoping to draw your attention to it. You still didn’t answer my question as to which part of the game you needed ascended for.

As for making a noticeable difference, if you can tell the difference between 20 hits to knock out a veteran and 19 hits by the end of a fight, you are doing better than me.

But there’s also a way to get mostly ascended without getting full ascended. If you get the jewelry and the weapons, the the difference between having the armor and not having it is minimal.

Cormac.3871:

Ashen.2907:

Cormac.3871:

You need ascended gear to complete hearts?

It has been said 100 times, but I will say it the 101st, aside from fractals, the difference between ascended and exotic is negligible. Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

What part of your journey has been delayed by your need to get ascended?

And before you try the “Why wear armour at all?” line, the difference between rare and exotic is noticeable. The difference between exotic and ascended is not.

Never claimed that I needed ascended to complete hearts. Really not sure where you got that from what was actually said.

I notice a performance difference when I equip a trait that increases damage by 5%. Unless full ascended weapons/armor/accessories provides significantly less than that (and the math has shown that it is actually more) it is noticeable (for me).

Well, you started off by saying that doing hearts was playing the game for you and you concluded by saying that getting BiS armour was the start of the game for you. I thought that was a little inconsistent and was hoping to draw your attention to it. You still didn’t answer my question as to which part of the game you needed ascended for.

As for making a noticeable difference, if you can tell the difference between 20 hits to knock out a veteran and 19 hits by the end of a fight, you are doing better than me.

The poster to whom I had replied compared killing mobs/doing hearts to crafting in terms of leveling. I was pointing out that crafting is not play for me while the others are.

A 5% damage increase is noticeable to me both in play and because I check my combat log frequently. Then again monitoring my own damage output is something I do in every game I play.

BiS gear is not about a need to be able to overcome specific opposition for me. It is about developing my mastery of my character at his best. For me the journey doesnt hit its full stride until the character is at max level and has BiS gear.

This is ridiculous hehe.This whole point of not needing the best gear hehe.

Its like you say:“you dont need the best drug to treat your disease,the generic drug is just a LITTLE LESS effective”

This ridiculous rationalization attempt goes against human nature.We could have lived in stone age to this day,“we were killing just fine”(its totaly not “I can do hearts just fine” parody).But guess what we are not because we NEED and WANT the best,we constantly progress.Its our nature…

Whay can Russia or US do whatever they want?Simple they both have full Ascended(and best food ). Unlike Ukraine that is in blue gear and has no “food”(not in a fancy guild also).

Increase in power you get from ascended gear is noticable.Again its DPS base from weapon all added power and mults.This translates to around 15-20% bonus dmg.Faster kill rates also reduce the dmg you recive,so in the end you are much stronger then in exotic.

Ascended gear was not made because exotics were so easy to get.Who ever belives that is well…“sapecial”.Ascended was created to force people to think:“credit card vs time wasted”,“buy the gems and have fun”.Conveniently exchange rates are better by the day…

I can understand alot of people cant afford Ascended gear,or they get dishearted when they see what is needed to get that gear.But dont tell me people dont NEED and WANT best gear,its just ridiculous.

“We doin hearts just fine,Me and 100% of mi guild” and “we gots nottin but pants on”
“All day,every day and is so fun,all day,everyday…”
—-—————-GW2——————
MMO Revolution,soon in jungle…

But..but….they said you dont needz it!
BiS, optimal play…it’s all in your heads, you thilly muppets!
Time to re-condition your way of thinking as to be more in line with the game’s vision to have BS…I mean BiS gear by the time you’re 80!

Who knows, perhaps the ‘i’ in the manifesto’s ‘BiS’ was but a typo all along-

BlackGuard.9602:

This is ridiculous hehe.This whole point of not needing the best gear hehe.

Its like you say:“you dont need the best drug to treat your disease,the generic drug is just a LITTLE LESS effective”

This ridiculous rationalization attempt goes against human nature.We could have lived in stone age to this day,“we were killing just fine”(its totaly not “I can do hearts just fine” parody).But guess what we are not because we NEED and WANT the best,we constantly progress.Its our nature…

But still ppl in a lot of group
- Don’t bring both banner as a warrior
- Don’t help blast fire field for might or put light field under
- Don’t bring potions
- Don’t bring food
- Bring zerker because everybody talk about zerker, but change their trait and don’t bring dmg multiplier
- If they have good sigil they will never ever have several weapons with different sigil
- Its cool IF they gonna bring fury
- Rarely participate to stacking vulnerability
- Don’t bother to get their rotation right and just spawn their skill on cooldown

All of those think boost your dmg as much if not more than ascended armor+weapons and cost either nothing or small amount of gold. If you do all those thing then ya you have a point, but the vast majority of ppl that cry about ascended don’t even bother with all those thing.

what is OTT?

why people using this briviations?

ascended gear grind is kinda ok for what it gives. and…ascended trinkets grind took me 5 minutes i guess by choosing trinkets from traders =))

Hvaran.6327:

what is OTT?

why people using this briviations?

OTT = Over the top.
Had to abbreviate, otherwise it wouldn’t fit in the title…

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss. Nice to have, not imperative for doing well, or even being a top player.

Ashen.2907:

Cormac.3871:

Ashen.2907:

Cormac.3871:

You need ascended gear to complete hearts?

It has been said 100 times, but I will say it the 101st, aside from fractals, the difference between ascended and exotic is negligible. Get two evenly matched players put one in ascended and one in exotic and have them meet up in WvW, the results may skew out to 55-45.

What part of your journey has been delayed by your need to get ascended?

And before you try the “Why wear armour at all?” line, the difference between rare and exotic is noticeable. The difference between exotic and ascended is not.

Never claimed that I needed ascended to complete hearts. Really not sure where you got that from what was actually said.

I notice a performance difference when I equip a trait that increases damage by 5%. Unless full ascended weapons/armor/accessories provides significantly less than that (and the math has shown that it is actually more) it is noticeable (for me).

Well, you started off by saying that doing hearts was playing the game for you and you concluded by saying that getting BiS armour was the start of the game for you. I thought that was a little inconsistent and was hoping to draw your attention to it. You still didn’t answer my question as to which part of the game you needed ascended for.

As for making a noticeable difference, if you can tell the difference between 20 hits to knock out a veteran and 19 hits by the end of a fight, you are doing better than me.

The poster to whom I had replied compared killing mobs/doing hearts to crafting in terms of leveling. I was pointing out that crafting is not play for me while the others are.

A 5% damage increase is noticeable to me both in play and because I check my combat log frequently. Then again monitoring my own damage output is something I do in every game I play.

BiS gear is not about a need to be able to overcome specific opposition for me. It is about developing my mastery of my character at his best. For me the journey doesnt hit its full stride until the character is at max level and has BiS gear.

No, I stated the process was incredibly quick. It’s not the most enjoyable thing, but it’s so far from a grind that if one refuses to acknowledge it as a viable means of getting that “noticeable difference,” then it’s absolutely worth it and genuinely only takes around a half hour. I compared the speed of it to early game progression because that’s how fast it is to get 500 crafting. There are dungeon paths that take longer.

And no, it’s 5% for an entire set. It’s < 1% per piece of armor.

tl;dr

Ascended armor is stupid

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss. Nice to have, not imperative for doing well, or even being a top player.

It could be a 20% difference and it still wouldn’t be too noticeable with the emphasis on open-world gameplay. Groups can become so big that the % of your contribution comes up to a lowly single digit.

That coupled with the enormous timesink doesn’t make ascended armor and weapons all too appealing. I only have the accessories back when the game wasn’t going on three years.

Should they put more of an emphasis on challenging and/or instanced content, that’s when I’d become a bit more concerned about GW2’s max stats.

My bigger concern is what the treadmill in the expansion is going to be, assuming ascended was essential to the game and that most who want it already have it.

Smith.1826:

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss. Nice to have, not imperative for doing well, or even being a top player.

It could be a 20% difference and it still wouldn’t be too noticeable with the emphasis on open-world gameplay. Groups can become so big that the % of your contribution comes up to a lowly single digit.

That coupled with the enormous timesink doesn’t make ascended armor and weapons all too appealing. I only have the accessories back when the game wasn’t going on three years.

Should they put more of an emphasis on challenging and/or instanced content, that’s when I’d become a bit more concerned about GW2’s max stats.

Agreed!

Just saying, I have made 2 full sets. I worked hard to get all the materials and gold for this.

Why do you feel that you deserve it without putting in the same effort?

If you work 20 hours a week and a Co-worker works 60, Do you feel you are entitled to the same rewards? No.

People like the OP and his defenders are leeches, they are all to happy to complain but when it comes down to actually doing something productive like getting a job or working for gear in mmo, they are the last you expect to ever get anything done. And thus they cry that the world is unfair because they are afraid to work hard for a reward.

I’ve also had around 7 ascended chest drops, all useful except for one magi chest which sits in my bank. I’m very happy that you self-entitled “o this is to hard” folks don’t got no ascended armor.

Don’t like the stuff you have to do to gt Ascended? Then don’t do it. “Oh but I NEED it, my character is not finished without it even if I don’t do the only thing Ascended armor is needed for (Fractals)! So Anet is forcing me to do it” you say? Well if you’re stressing that much over some pixels in a videogame I don’t know what to say to you.

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss.

People that went crazy about the might nerf apparently do not agree. And it’s bigger than 5%.

VaaCrow.3076:

If you work 20 hours a week and a Co-worker works 60, Do you feel you are entitled to the same rewards? No.

It’s supposed to be fun and entertainment. If i wanted hard work, i’d stay in RL where i have enough of it already, so using examples based on how RL is supposed to work (no pun intended) is getting you nowhere.
Also, in RL there are actually lot of people that work less and yet earn more than others, so even in that regard the example is flawed.

Astralporing.1957:

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss.

People that went crazy about the might nerf apparently do not agree. And it’s bigger than 5%.

VaaCrow.3076:

If you work 20 hours a week and a Co-worker works 60, Do you feel you are entitled to the same rewards? No.

It’s supposed to be fun and entertainment. If i wanted hard work, i’d stay in RL where i have enough of it already, so using examples based on how RL is supposed to work (no pun intended) is getting you nowhere.
Also, in RL there are actually lot of people that work less and yet earn more than others, so even in that regard the example is flawed.

Trying to reason with people who think that way is a waste of time. Fortunately, that conservative mentality is dying off as baby boomers age.

I agree with what you said, I don’t play this game to work some more. I don’t know why sadistic players keep trying to justify grinds.

Astralporing.1957:

It’s supposed to be fun and entertainment. If i wanted hard work, i’d stay in RL where i have enough of it already, so using examples based on how RL is supposed to work (no pun intended) is getting you nowhere.

If its not fun for you just don’t do it. It doesn’t meant that other ppl don’t like it. Hard work to gain something give value to that thing and its something important to a lot of ppl.

Reisinger.4203:

Astralporing.1957:

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss.

People that went crazy about the might nerf apparently do not agree. And it’s bigger than 5%.

VaaCrow.3076:

If you work 20 hours a week and a Co-worker works 60, Do you feel you are entitled to the same rewards? No.

It’s supposed to be fun and entertainment. If i wanted hard work, i’d stay in RL where i have enough of it already, so using examples based on how RL is supposed to work (no pun intended) is getting you nowhere.
Also, in RL there are actually lot of people that work less and yet earn more than others, so even in that regard the example is flawed.

Trying to reason with people who think that way is a waste of time. Fortunately, that conservative mentality is dying off as baby boomers age.

I agree with what you said, I don’t play this game to work some more. I don’t know why sadistic players keep trying to justify grinds.

That’s a bit harsh. Look, the only reason my stance on Ascended gear is, “It doesn’t matter” is because it hasn’t affected me or what I do. I’m in a tPvP ranked team, I do WvW, dungeons, and everything else. I have ascended accessories, but no weapon or armor. I can still complete dungeons in good time, win most of our matches, and contribute to our efforts in WvW. (For the Coast!)

My point is, I would be equally upset if say I went up against someone holding a point, or roaming, and I just got slam jammed despite doing everything I knew was right to win. If gear became a major factor in my fun and performance, then I would be worried.

But it hasn’t. Full ascended gear is a nice bonus, but that’s all. I guess I’m also lucky that I find all the skins are kitten , so I’ve got that going for me.

Caiden.9074:

Reisinger.4203:

Astralporing.1957:

Caiden.9074:

Definitely not a requirement. Even min-maxing, a 5% margin of gain just isn’t worth the fuss.

People that went crazy about the might nerf apparently do not agree. And it’s bigger than 5%.

VaaCrow.3076:

If you work 20 hours a week and a Co-worker works 60, Do you feel you are entitled to the same rewards? No.

It’s supposed to be fun and entertainment. If i wanted hard work, i’d stay in RL where i have enough of it already, so using examples based on how RL is supposed to work (no pun intended) is getting you nowhere.
Also, in RL there are actually lot of people that work less and yet earn more than others, so even in that regard the example is flawed.

Trying to reason with people who think that way is a waste of time. Fortunately, that conservative mentality is dying off as baby boomers age.

I agree with what you said, I don’t play this game to work some more. I don’t know why sadistic players keep trying to justify grinds.

That’s a bit harsh. Look, the only reason my stance on Ascended gear is, “It doesn’t matter” is because it hasn’t affected me or what I do. I’m in a tPvP ranked team, I do WvW, dungeons, and everything else. I have ascended accessories, but no weapon or armor. I can still complete dungeons in good time, win most of our matches, and contribute to our efforts in WvW. (For the Coast!)

My point is, I would be equally upset if say I went up against someone holding a point, or roaming, and I just got slam jammed despite doing everything I knew was right to win. If gear became a major factor in my fun and performance, then I would be worried.

But it hasn’t. Full ascended gear is a nice bonus, but that’s all. I guess I’m also lucky that I find all the skins are kitten , so I’ve got that going for me.

That’s ok, but it’s a bit irrelevant to my point… I’m criticizing people who think “you reap what you sow” using real life examples. This is not the first time people have used that argument on these forums but I don’t think enough people have spoken out against that mentality because it’s so pervasive (and doesn’t work in most economies nowadays either).

I am fine with the state of PvP armor as you said. But ascended does not affect that at all since everyone is on level footing stat/armour wise there…

BlackGuard.9602:

Whay can Russia or US do whatever they want?Simple they both have full Ascended(and best food ). Unlike Ukraine that is in blue gear and has no “food”(not in a fancy guild also).

lol.. I’m American… but I’m still in starter gear…. I can’t even afford the blue stuff on my salary.

First off, ANet has already established what they mean by grind. If there are multiple ways for a player to achieve their goal, then it is not a grind. It has already been listed, the different ways of getting into ascended vs exotic.

I will relist them.

Exotic:

Drops
Crafted
Karma Vendors
Bought off TP (Dropped for/crafted by other players)
WvW Badges
Dungeon Tokens
Reward Tracks (Maybe, I’m not too familiar with PvP)

Ascended:

Drops (Worse drop rate than exotic)
Crafted
Laurel Merchant (Trinkets only)

WRT counting on drops. First the chance of a drop is low. If you do get a drop, then you are hoping that it’s the piece you want (chest vs boots), of the type you need (Lether vs Cloth), with the stat combination you are looking for. Rng stacked on rng stacked on rng stacked on rng. Or you can guarantee you get what you are looking for by leveling the appropriate craft and craft it.

I capped out jeweler on my thief which maxed out at 400 (exotic). From what I can tell, the only ascended trinket that can be crafted is the back item. Laurel merchant is the only way to get rings, amulets, and accessories from what I’ve seen outside drops.

I don’t think the issue is the time it takes. I think the issue is the very limited way of reliably obtaining it vs exotics. This limitation wouldn’t be so bad if not for the fact of the stat difference.

Maybe if ascended had as many ways to obtain as exotic. ANet should then come out with legendary trinkets and armor that can be the gear to be obtained through an obcenely long crafting process. Offering no additional stat benefits. Simply allowing the minor convenience of stat changing and come with cool graphic effects on the armor.

Milennin.4825:

It takes me 5 days to craft one Ascended weapon!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?

You really going to complain, that it takes you 5 days to craft a weapon with the best possible stats in an MMO?
I feel like people in this game are so spoiled with the casual friendly enviroment ArenaNet created, that they forgot what it’s like in other games.

What you might be missing is some good old fashioned git gud.

For those curious. Weapons are based on buy orders. Light armor jumped up 30 gold within the past week.

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