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Posted by: Tiresias.6473

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Conflict stirs from lack of communication, and the said lack is a breeding ground for ignorance, xenophobia, nationalism and racism. Like it or not, <snip>

The conflict is only in your head.

And English is NOT the global language of the internet. What an ignorant statement to make!

The rest of your post is naval-gazing, but I gotta tell you that you do no favors to your culture with this kind of mentality.

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Posted by: Colton.9460

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“And English is NOT the global language of the internet. What an ignorant statement to make!” ( wont let me quote for some reason, very strange)

It is for the most part, English and Chinese are what make up the majority of script on the internet. It is just a fact, a well documented and provable one.(http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm)

Still doesnt mean it justifies bigotry or racism, and people should feel comfortable with speaking whatever language they wish. It seems crazy that some english speakers can only speak english, and think that if you dont speak it you are somehow a lesser person. Its called education, go get some.

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Posted by: No Leaf Clover.4893

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Let’s get factual, then. What’s Anet’s position on this matter?
Do people get banned for spanish, italian, etc.. speaking?
(This is an honest question, really).

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Posted by: marianitten.1247

marianitten.1247

Let’s get factual, then. What’s Anet’s position on this matter?
Do people get banned for spanish, italian, etc.. speaking?
(This is an honest question, really).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Language-for-International-Servers/first#post73604

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Language-for-International-Servers/first#post72866

So:
“Speak whatever language they wish to speak.”
If you don’t understand, is NOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU.
Go on.

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Posted by: Bhuta.1480

Bhuta.1480

This argument comes up in every mmo out there, why these companies don’t just add a few English servers is beyond me, there’s German,French,Spanish but not English which is one of the most spoken languages in the world. As it stands the rule is EU which means any language is allowed, There are some servers that have been chosen as unofficial English servers eg desolation and gandara, must say I’ve hardly seen any other language used on Gandara.

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Posted by: prozakc.3940

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But if i make several racist and hate comments with some pedophile jokes on my first language, who would ban me? It would depend only on sensitive people who knows the language reporting me? But if they all share the same thoughs?

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Posted by: mak.9027

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But if they all share the same thoughs?

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Posted by: Hellkaiser.6025

Hellkaiser.6025

:S let them speak what they want, as long as they’re not spamming the heck outta the chat what should we care? if they’re swearing, abusing etc then they’ll get reported and then you don’t even NEED to worry about it, ignorance can be bliss, and the thoughts that they’ll waste 60quid is the glazed cherry on that delicious cupcake.

Some epic food convo’s have started on Fissure of Woe which had a high concentration of Italians, one mention of pasta carbonara and bam, we were all reminded of why Italians aren’t hated, and you eat their food quite a lot if you’re in England etc, who doesn’t love a sexy lasagne? yeah…exactly… and for at least 20 minutes then we just talked about delicious food and how Italians rocked socks for giving the world such epic pasta food :P clearly people both
A: love Italian food and
B: were desperate to talk about anything other than “omg use english in /m”

There are some ridiculous spammage issues in chat and people get paranoid about what people are saying and getting away with saying, but it’s not xenophobia or racism although it tends to devolve into it when you get silly nationalistic pride and bad attitudes. Ie: I could answer him because I speak english, but I’m not going to because I shouldn’t have to, but I’ll be sure to call him a racist when he gives out.

Irony…. xD

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Posted by: marianitten.1247

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But if i make several racist and hate comments with some pedophile jokes on my first language, who would ban me? It would depend only on sensitive people who knows the language reporting me? But if they all share the same thoughs?

That is by far… the most absurd Statement I’ve Ever Seen On my life…. contratulations mate!

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Posted by: Avan.1540

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I haven’t noticed this ‘linguistic tension’, though as there are no language-specific ones in NA, I guess people are a bit more understanding, and its one of the least populated servers. I’ve encountered the NA dialects of spanish (which I can mostly read) and french (which I can use) on there before (though its still very rarely), and never seen any complaints, though in most cases it was just people asking for support with glitched events. There was also some korean once, but it stemmed directly from a conversation over a glitch a player was experiencing where their gathered ore was being displayed in korean for no apparent reason)

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Posted by: Pokerjoker.7246

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I have an Idea. Lets keep it in English shal we ?

230 languages are spoken in Europe. Some examples of the different languages spoken in Europe are:

IN addition to the 23 official languages of the EU (European Union):

????????? (B?lgarski) – BG – Bulgarian
?eština – CS – Czech
Dansk – DA – Danish
Deutsch – DE – German
Eesti – ET – Estonian
Elinika – EL – Greek
English – EN
Español – ES – Spanish
Français – FR – French
Gaeilge – GA – Irish
Italiano – IT – Italian
Latviesu valoda – LV – Latvian
Lietuviu kalba – LT – Lithuanian
Magyar – HU – Hungarian
Malti – MT – Maltese
Nederlands – NL – Dutch
Polski – PL – Polish
Português – PT – Portuguese
Român? – RO – Romanian
Sloven?ina – SK – Slovak
Slovenš?ina – SL – Slovene
Suomi – FI – Finnish
Svenska – SV – Swedish
Norwegian, Turkish, Armanien, Georgian, Bulgarian, Icelandic, Greelandic, Greek, Albanian, Croatian, Danish, Belarusian, Polish, Abkhaz, Welsh, Scotish, Lapp, Russian ect…

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Posted by: Hellkaiser.6025

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hahahaha, I must have skimmed over that classic prozakc,

if you made hate comments and pedophile jokes, it would be in bad taste sure and you could suffer a temp ban, people WOULD report you depending on the situation.

What you meant to say, I hope… was that people will stick to their own language speaking players and back them up, this is not the case or I wouldn’t have reported those that I did when they abused others in english

Irony…. xD

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Posted by: Alice.8694

Alice.8694

The way I see it online gaming is all about communication.
Why you would want to focus on speaking a language less people can understand in public, I really don’t follow.

It’s not about nationalism or xenophobia, not even remotely. It’s about simple communication. Most of the advanced world teaches English to children in schools now at the same level as their native language.
This isn’t so English can undermine or overthrow their native language. It’s so they have the tools to communicate with as many people as possible in a globally connected world.

I know several languages, at varying levels.
The one thing that does however tick me off is when two players turn a global chat (shout for example) into something that would be better served as party chat or sent in whispers. That counts for any language, not just “non-english”. But its all the more annoying to me when I see it in a foreign language I understand and their just using shout/map chat like it is party chat.

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Posted by: marianitten.1247

marianitten.1247

The way I see it online gaming is all about communication.
Why you would want to focus on speaking a language less people can understand in public, I really don’t follow.

It’s not about nationalism or xenophobia, not even remotely. It’s about simple communication. Most of the advanced world teaches English to children in schools now at the same level as their native language.
This isn’t so English can undermine or overthrow their native language. It’s so they have the tools to communicate with as many people as possible in a globally connected world.

I know several languages, at varying levels.
The one thing that does however tick me off is when two players turn a global chat (shout for example) into something that would be better served as party chat or sent in whispers. That counts for any language, not just “non-english”. But its all the more annoying to me when I see it in a foreign language I understand and their just using shout/map chat like it is party chat.

“Most of the advanced world” so.. 2do/3third world countries(like you people like to say).. can’t play the game because they can’t speak your languange properly… YEAH! THAT’S NOT nationalism or xenophobia at all..

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

Pirlipat.2479

The way I see it online gaming is all about communication.
Why you would want to focus on speaking a language less people can understand in public, I really don’t follow.

It’s not about nationalism or xenophobia, not even remotely. It’s about simple communication. Most of the advanced world teaches English to children in schools now at the same level as their native language.
This isn’t so English can undermine or overthrow their native language. It’s so they have the tools to communicate with as many people as possible in a globally connected world.

I know several languages, at varying levels.
The one thing that does however tick me off is when two players turn a global chat (shout for example) into something that would be better served as party chat or sent in whispers. That counts for any language, not just “non-english”. But its all the more annoying to me when I see it in a foreign language I understand and their just using shout/map chat like it is party chat.

Hm, my experiences are so much different. My first MMO only had two international servers. No language server at all. People were openly talking in any language they wanted, about private things, about the game, about whatever. To communicate with someone who didn’t speak their language they used english and if it was something really private they used whisper but it was that mulitcultural open atmosphere that I liked the most.

Telling someone to talk a specific language -if he’s not directely talking to you- adds some kind of hostility in my opinion. It’s different when they are in your group and exclude you from the conversation by using a language you can’t understand but the normal chat should be open for everyone, except in WvW ofc.

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Posted by: Gao Gao.4973

Gao Gao.4973

this thread reminds me of some american politician from alabama basing his entire campaign on forcing people to use the english language. “this is america, speak english” was a phrase he used.

it was pretty embarrassing, sort of like this thread.

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Posted by: Soot.9435

Soot.9435

The worst part is how hard 50% of these posts are to follow, due to their bad English skills.

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Posted by: Auron.2657

Auron.2657

English is just the globally accepted language on games, it makes sense to speak it.

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Posted by: Alice.8694

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Telling someone to talk a specific language -if he’s not directely talking to you- adds some kind of hostility in my opinion. It’s different when they are in your group and exclude you from the conversation by using a language you can’t understand but the normal chat should be open for everyone, except in WvW ofc.

At no sense did i tell anyone to speak english, but perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

What I said was, if you speak English and everyone around you speaks English. You are deliberately segregating yourself from communicating with everyone else, just for the vain action of speaking the language of the country you just so happened to be born in.
If you don’t want to speak to everyone but instead what to speak to a select group of people there are in game facilities to allow you to group up and specifically address them.

In short speaking in shout is like saying “I want to address everyone with this”.
So to use the least effective means of doing so when you have the option of English and another language, comes across as unusual and a little pointless to me.

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Posted by: AlienMagi.7102

AlienMagi.7102

I play on Whiteside Ridge, which is an EU (non-specific server).

Someone advertised for a guild in what I think was Italian, and he was immediately shouted down by two people for “not speaking English in the public chat”. One of these people then got into how, because it’s an EU (non specific) server, everyone should speak in English on the /map channel because “it’s polite.”

I got quite annoyed by this. I’m English but I’ve lived in different places in the EU, and it annoys me. I actually find it to be somewhat racist that he tells someone that they should not speak in a language other than English in the /map channel.

Am I over reacting, or do other people find this quite disturbing?

I’m not english and my native language is also NOT english, but I strongly believe that when we are on a multi-nation server and when using a PUBLIC chat, everyone should speak an international language which is english.

Nobody wants gibberish spam that they can’t understand especially in public. I very strongly disagree with your post, sorry.

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Posted by: No Leaf Clover.4893

No Leaf Clover.4893

"

No Leaf Clover.4893:

Let’s get factual, then. What’s Anet’s position on this matter?
Do people get banned for spanish, italian, etc.. speaking?
(This is an honest question, really).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Language-for-International-Servers/first#post73604

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Language-for-International-Servers/first#post72866

So:
“Speak whatever language they wish to speak.”
If you don’t understand, is NOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU.
Go on."

(Sorry, no way to quote, strangely).

I don’t get the reason for animosity, here. My point was if the rules allow people to speak anything else than english, players should just put up with it, and get a translation dictionnary.

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Posted by: melkathi.5203

melkathi.5203

But if i make several racist and hate comments with some pedophile jokes on my first language, who would ban me? It would depend only on sensitive people who knows the language reporting me? But if they all share the same thoughs?

I’ve reported people making offensive comments in greek language. And I have quite a few friends who would and have done the same.

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Posted by: Payne.5062

Payne.5062

i don’t think many ppl will like it if i start speaking in romanian

..the game client is in english, the skills are in english, the mob names are in english ..just saying ..english is basically a common language between nationalities ..i dont play korean mmo’s because i don’t speak korean

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Posted by: melkathi.5203

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At no sense did i tell anyone to speak english, but perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

What I said was, if you speak English and everyone around you speaks English. You are deliberately segregating yourself from communicating with everyone else, just for the vain action of speaking the language of the country you just so happened to be born in.
If you don’t want to speak to everyone but instead what to speak to a select group of people there are in game facilities to allow you to group up and specifically address them.

In short speaking in shout is like saying “I want to address everyone with this”.
So to use the least effective means of doing so when you have the option of English and another language, comes across as unusual and a little pointless to me.

Silly, different levels of communication require different levels of language skills. A person’s english may be good enough for the basic teaming and joking around but they may need help in their native tongue for more complex issues.
So to force them to speak in the less effective language so the less educated (those players who only speak english) do not have to be confronted with their lack of foreign language skills seems selfish.

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Posted by: Tosha Daydreamer.9251

Tosha Daydreamer.9251

Guild advertisements, fine. I’m not bothered by them, unless they spam too much, but that is annoying in any language.
I do mind entire conversations in another language. Team up and use partychat, or whisper each other.

And @Melkathi – that has nothing to do with my supposed “lack of education” – i can speak and/or read 4 languages. It has to do with common courtesy. When speaking to a group of strangers, it is simply not polite to use a language only 2% of the group can understand. And yes, I define map chat as a way to speak TO a group of strangers, just like standing on a soap box and speaking in public.

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Posted by: Cilph.6758

Cilph.6758

I admit I have joined in these discussions on WSR. I’m a Dutchman and I find the use of languages other than English on EU servers over mapchat incredibly rude. English is an international language and most Europeans speak it.

I don’t care what you speak over guild or party, but leave it out of map.

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Posted by: Gauradan.8361

Gauradan.8361

Silly, different levels of communication require different levels of language skills. A person’s english may be good enough for the basic teaming and joking around but they may need help in their native tongue for more complex issues.
So to force them to speak in the less effective language so the less educated (those players who only speak english) do not have to be confronted with their lack of foreign language skills seems selfish.

Oh, so the solution is for us to learn their languages instead of them learning English. Moreover, you’re calling people less educated because they can speak English as well as their native language, while, to you, those who can only speak their mother tongue are those with high education. Foolproof logic right there.

I can speak two foreign languages, English and French. If ever were I to learn another one, it would probably be German. Anything else seems pretty useless to me, unless you’re moving to the country that speaks the language.

Besides, here, in Romania, knowing English alone qualifies you as educated. The fact that I have a C2 Level in English makes it even better. Our own president can barely speak English, let alone other languages.

And I’m not absurd; a guild announcement or even a question in a foreign language don’t bother me. What does bother me though is when people who have shown they are proficient in English speak their native language just to spite others.

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Posted by: MystiQ.9648

MystiQ.9648

I get extremely annoyed when people are advertising their guild or even speaking randomly in another language than English on a EU server in a public widespread channel.
If you’re advertising a foreign language guild you can still write the darn thing in English.
Yes, it is common courtesy, no we won’t join your guild regardless because we can’t understand it, but whats random gibberish in our eyes are bloody distracting when it pops up in the chat. Add a small phrase in whatever language you want at the end if you must, but keep the core body in plain English.

Talking in a foreign language in General chat however I don’t want in any way. If you can’t understand or write it well sorry, that’s your issue not ours. Go watch some telly, read some books, everyone have a basic understanding of English, go expand on it.
Chances are if you have a question, you’ll maybe have one person that speaks the same language that’s willing to answer you.
You’ll be better off with google translate followed by a google search.

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

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Ok so you want to forbid people to talk in their own language after that you prolly come up bashing them for not beeing able to use it perfectely. It would be better if they weren’t foreigners at all, right?

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Posted by: Mickey.4207

Mickey.4207

Ok..ever tried speaking in English on French Server OP? give it a try and tell me the reactions you get. It is very natural for people to expect others to speak in English on general EU servers.

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

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I joned an international server for the multicultural experience. There are tons of language-servers speaking my language. And don’t worry I’m not spamming the map-chat with german all the time in fact I barley use it.

Actually, I’m looking for people with other nationalities. But the thought of getting bashed just for using some words of your own language n a public chat is absolutely infuriating and this goes for any language not just mine.

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Posted by: Rpgtabbycat.5869

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Unless you are grouping in a dungeon with these people and the language barrier is affecting your ability to complete it, there’s no reason to care whether or not someone is speaking English on an international server.

This is the kind of argument I see in the US all the time. I have to keep reminding those people that the US doesn’t have an official language. As a side note, English is the only language I speak.

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Posted by: Mickey.4207

Mickey.4207

You sure that US doesn’t have an official language?

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

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Posted by: Pants.8315

Pants.8315

Would you go to London and start shouting at every person you heard not speaking English??
(to each other, obviously if they needed to communicate to a shop assistant they would have to speak English -edit)

No you wouldn’t.

If you wouldn’t do it in real life, why would you do it on a game server.

In fact London’s not even a good example, as the GW2 EU servers aren’t even ‘English speaking’.

A better analogy would be a desert island that’s owned by Anet, who say the island is for Europeans. But we’ll gloss over that.

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Posted by: Ravven.2357

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I don’t mind a guild advert in another language than English, as long as it’s not spammed. But filling map chat with a language that most players won’t understand is rude and exclusionary. Everyone in this thread speaks perfectly understandable English – why wouldn’t you want to communicate with others in a language that everyone can speak?

In real life terms, it would be like a social gathering where everyone is talking, and two people are speaking a foreign language to each other and dominating the conversation. They would be considered rude or inconsiderate to others and eventually someone would point out their bad manners. It’s the same on a game server.

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Posted by: MystiQ.9648

MystiQ.9648

Ok so you want to forbid people to talk in their own language after that you prolly come up bashing them for not beeing able to use it perfectely. It would be better if they weren’t foreigners at all, right?

Whether they can use it perfectly is irrelevant aslong as they can get their point across in a language everyone can understand. I got no issues deciphering poorly written English, atleast they’re making an effort.
Public widespread chats are ment for everyone, not a select few that might speak another language than what is the standard on the very server you’re playing on.

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Posted by: Rpgtabbycat.5869

Rpgtabbycat.5869

You sure that US doesn’t have an official language?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html
http://www.us-english.org/view/915

They keep trying but it hasn’t happened yet.

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

Pirlipat.2479

Ok so you want to forbid people to talk in their own language after that you prolly come up bashing them for not beeing able to use it perfectely. It would be better if they weren’t foreigners at all, right?

Whether they can use it perfectly is irrelevant aslong as they can get their point across in a language everyone can understand. I got no issues deciphering poorly written English, atleast they’re making an effort.
Public widespread chats are ment for everyone, not a select few that might speak another language than what is the standard on the very server you’re playing on.

I’m playing on EU server. EU got 23 official languages :p
To be honest I think it’s pretty sad that we even have to discuss this matter. To use several languages seems so natural for me.

I think there is a huge difference between people excluding others from the conversation and using another language. Of course if people are using the map-chat to make it their virtual living room it can get annoying if it’s going on for a long time. But thats not a matter of the language. You can perfectly well exclude others from a convo you are having simply by using references others don’t know and make it clear that others aren’t welcome to jump in.

Thats not really polite it’s the “people on the bus phenomenon” yelling at each other and making others listening without including them. Sure this is not cool for anyone. But I would never mind a convo I don’t understand which is going on for a few minutes until they use whisper or whatever. So it’s rather a matter of the dose and not of the fact itself.

It might be different if there is a server population that is speaking a certain language and dominating the chat while excluding the rest who is not able to speak this.
But to be honest on my server people barely speak at all. And bashing someone for not using the “right” language will only make people shutting themself out from a community that’s not welcoming them.

And to shout someone down for using a language that you can not understand in the name of politeness is not really polite either.

Edit: I’m refering to the example the TO gave and don’t say you actually do.^^

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Posted by: Reashu.2734

Reashu.2734

1. Someone posts a recruitment message, in their native language, for a guild which only accepts people from that country/which speak that language.

2. Someone else complains that, “Hey this is a public chat-room on an international server. Please use English, the language we are all assumed to understand”

3. You claim that the second person is the nationalist

Am I the only one seeing the absurdity here?

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Posted by: Tosha Daydreamer.9251

Tosha Daydreamer.9251

Would you go to London and start shouting at every person you heard not speaking English??
(to each other, obviously if they needed to communicate to a shop assistant they would have to speak English -edit)

No you wouldn’t.

If they were speaking to me, yes, I would point out they would have to speak english to me.

Speaking in map chat isn’t like standing in a large crowd quitely talking to a friend next to you. It’s more like standing on a soap box shouting your message to the entire crowd. If you do that in a language only 2% of the crowd can understand, you are sure to get some reactions from the other 98%.

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Posted by: Delacroix.8594

Delacroix.8594

Would you go to London and start shouting at every person you heard not speaking English??
(to each other, obviously if they needed to communicate to a shop assistant they would have to speak English -edit)

No you wouldn’t.

If you wouldn’t do it in real life, why would you do it on a game server.

They do it because they’re safe behind their screens, that’s why people show their true selves on the interwebs.

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Posted by: Laufey.5129

Laufey.5129

Would you go to London and start shouting at every person you heard not speaking English??
(to each other, obviously if they needed to communicate to a shop assistant they would have to speak English -edit)

No you wouldn’t.

If they were speaking to me, yes, I would point out they would have to speak english to me.

Speaking in map chat isn’t like standing in a large crowd quitely talking to a friend next to you. It’s more like standing on a soap box shouting your message to the entire crowd. If you do that in a language only 2% of the crowd can understand, you are sure to get some reactions from the other 98%.

Yeah, and most of those reactions would be a confused look. And then people would move on. Only someone who already has a problem with people speaking foreign languages would actually speak up in such a situation as opposed to ignoring them.

As you already said, if someone is speaking specifically to you, obviously it would be helpful if they used a language you can understand. But the map chat isn’t aimed at you in particular.

I agree that it gets annoying if people use the map chat as their personal chat room, but that is completely independent of the language they’re using.

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Posted by: MystiQ.9648

MystiQ.9648

Ok so you want to forbid people to talk in their own language after that you prolly come up bashing them for not beeing able to use it perfectely. It would be better if they weren’t foreigners at all, right?

Whether they can use it perfectly is irrelevant aslong as they can get their point across in a language everyone can understand. I got no issues deciphering poorly written English, atleast they’re making an effort.
Public widespread chats are ment for everyone, not a select few that might speak another language than what is the standard on the very server you’re playing on.

I’m playing on EU server. EU got 23 official languages :p
To be honest I think it’s pretty sad that we even have to discuss this matter. To use several languages seems so natural for me.

I think there is a huge difference between people excluding others from the conversation and using another language. Of course if people are using the map-chat to make it their virtual living room it can get annoying if it’s going on for a long time. But thats not a matter of the language. You can perfectly well exclude others from a convo you are having simply by using references others don’t know and make it clear that others aren’t welcome to jump in.

Thats not really polite it’s the “people on the bus phenomenon” yelling at each other and making others listening without including them. Sure this is not cool for anyone. But I would never mind a convo I don’t understand which is going on for a few minutes until they use whisper or whatever. So it’s rather a matter of the dose and not of the fact itself.

It might be different if there is a server population that is speaking a certain language and dominating the chat while excluding the rest who is not able to speak this.
But to be honest on my server people barely speak at all. And bashing someone for not using the “right” language will only make people shutting themself out from a community that’s not welcoming them.

And to shout someone down for using a language that you can not understand in the name of politeness is not really polite either.

Edit: I’m refering to the example the TO gave and don’t say you actually do.^^

Well, EU might have 23 official languages. Imo, the server does not. Just as you speak German on German servers and French on French ones you should speak English on a EU server in a widespread general chat, truth be told it’s the norm one should follow. There are ofcourse exceptions to this rule, sadly. Numerous games you’ll find servers beeing taken over by non English speaking players (and boy, I’ll tell you, they’re far cruder than we are. Yes I am refering to you Mr. Polak.) while shutting the English speaking ones out. And then the roles are reversed.
I’m not too concerned with beeing excluded from the conversation. Hell they can talk Pokemon all day in map chat for all I care, aslong as it’s in English. Whatever they may be talking about wouldn’t interest me the slightest whatever language they’re speaking in, I just find it bloody irritating and distracting having gibberish cluttering my chat.

The Virtual living room scenario you mention is exactly what I am going on about. While yes, the Guild recruitment posts are equally irritating it’s a minor distraction in comparison.

I don’t shout em off as you say either (I know you aren’t refering to me with that comment). Just silently sit by while others do it instead, contributing to the shout fest would be spam, which is just as annoying.
If as you say people shut themselves out from a English community because they don’t speak English themselves, I don’t see the problem, if they can’t speak it then they can’t be part of that community. Also there are several guilds out there for these people, a simple google search, which most should be able to do without much trouble would allow you to speak whatever language you’re comfortable with.

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Posted by: Mereth.9385

Mereth.9385

I am willing to bet that most of the people who are saying “Speak english” in map chat are not english themselves.

Guild ads in native language ok, asking help once, ok, but very often there are long conversations in all kinds of languages in map chat. Why, exactly why do those chats need to be there? And well, frankly if you are going to the most public channel, which most likely everybody is following and then continuing to talk in a language that they don’t understand, thus being impolite towards them, why should they be polite towards you?

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Posted by: Diaspro.8529

Diaspro.8529

My idea is:
Everyone can speak the language he wants if he don’t care to be understood by others (not all people can use their spare time to learn a language and the internet is not made only by geeky, instructed, young people).
Everyone can speak the preferred language BUT that don’t means he can use the chat without rules like staying in his living room.

I also think that learning, speaking other languages opens you lot of doors in every part of your life.

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Posted by: Red Falcon.8257

Red Falcon.8257

Anet said it’s ok to speak whatever language in the chats so you gotta deal with it.
So flaming someone for doing something that doesn’t break the rules can be considered harassment and a bannable behavior.
This is the only thing that matters.

I personally speak English mostly but when I see a French/Italian/Spanish person who posts in their language I reply in their language.
When I see languages I don’t know I actually get curious about it, trying to understand what language that is and somehow liking people from so many cultures share GW2.

While I agree that if we all spoke one language it would be a big step forward for humanity – that doesn’t mean this should be enforced, nor that English should be that language.

I feel English is too simple and fails to forward some concepts or emotions that other languages do better, so if I’m to expose soemthing deep like a poem I’ll pick Italian or French, if I want to impress a girl I use Spanish.

I feel bad for people who’s locked into English and can’t appreciate the sound of other languages.

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Posted by: benfy.3541

benfy.3541

Bad attitude towards other nationalities????
really…..

Welcome to the internet! BTW don’t feed the trolls!

Brits as you call them or english speakers, should have their own server if they want one.
Yes dmanding someone speak english is rude and a little racist.

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Posted by: Ditrah.5128

Ditrah.5128

To ask for special servers is useless as we all know, —>we don’t even have GW2 RP-servers for people in that bracket. There are not enough people from every languish in the EU to make a working server out of it. The community itself was suppose to sort itself out from the start.
So simply put there will be no catering for that kind of thing, the languish on the servers usually apply to what you speak the best outside of your own mother tough and for support / bug-report.
If people were talking over your head in a dungeon knowing you didn’t understand, fine – that is really rude.
But for the general chat it really is not a problem as long as it’s kept on a low. Blocking people or ticking off the general chat is possible.
Lost count on how many times people start to talk bullkitten in the general chat in English, why is that so much better?

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Posted by: silentnight warrior.2714

silentnight warrior.2714

EU servers are for all EU people. On spanish servers all should write spanish, on french servers all should write in french and so on. On EU servers all should write in the EU language they want. If someone wants a dedicated english server please ask arenanet to get one for those people and let them play alone. Comunication in world chat is free and besides the good behavior of the users, there aren´t other rules to folow. Someone who is able to say that is not polite to write in others languages should be able to understand that the other side have the right to write on their language on those Servers. EU Servers are not english Servers. If they were i agree that all people there should write in english.

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Posted by: Shard.4791

Shard.4791

Sorry if this is old info in this thread. Afaik there’s no rp servers because every server is rp just like in guild wars 1. Also iirc they’ve said english IS the language of the servers that don’t specify a language.

On topic: I would find it disturbing if people raged over guild advertising. However I’m glad I haven’t seen that yet.

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