Guild Wars 2

phys.7689:

Windsagio.1340:

phys.7689:

Windsagio.1340:

Astral Projections.7320:

Walks into a brick and mortar store
Tells the management there, he wants them to reduce prices for items because it’s inconvenient to be without these items and he doesn’t want to spend money on them.
Management agrees and reduces prices.

Yeah, I can definitely see that happening.

It’s more like going into a Gamestop and saying “Hey, if I work at the store for 3 hours, will you give me a copy of GTA 5?”

Player’s time is less valuable to them than their money, so they want to pay the less valuable commodity.

lol you realize that is probably essentially how they get a lot of their employees? And its only some players, i honestly rarely have converted gold to gems because you actually end up working harder for the same thing

The difference is that the employees are paid, and yes get an employee discount, but still have to pay $$$ out in the end.

yeah they work in the store, then they get a game.
In fact its actually a great proposition for the store owners, its probably illegal in some way though.

I can imagine them paying people below minimum wage in games they got as trade ins instead of real cash, and people loving it.
work for me for 2 days and i give you gta V. never mind it actually translates to 4 dollars an hour.

I had an edit, but it got chomped, so I’ll just put it in reply.

You’re right that the scneario you’re describing would be exploitative, but that’s not perfect for the analogy anyways.

People generate gold by playing (we’ll ignore for the moment that you can convert and that it kind of makes the complaint the cost then), and any method of playing in the game generates gold.

They want to convert an effect of the time they spent playing (the gold) for the service (the slots). In the gamestop metaphor, they’re actually giving up their time and doing real work that’s of real value to the store in order to get their product.

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Which brings us back to the ‘ignore for the moment’. Anet lets you buy them for gold (via gem conversion), but players don’t like the cost, claiming it’s too high. This is a little different, it makes it feel like the issue is that they want to not have to work that hard for the bags. At that point it comes back to player self-interest again. To that, what response is there other than ‘Who in the history of the world hasn’t wanted things to be cheaper when they were paying for something?’

phys.7689:

Astral Projections.7320:

Walks into a brick and mortar store
Tells the management there, he wants them to reduce prices for items because it’s inconvenient to be without these items and he doesn’t want to spend money on them.
Management agrees and reduces prices.

Yeah, I can definitely see that happening.

actually this happens all the time, its why you will often find different deals, locally even in fast food chains like mcdonalds, and if you haggle with owner in a store, you can often get better deals.
People think things are just the way they are, but people who try, often find out its open to negotiation.

but you got to give em a worthy incentive.

i know a dude who knocked like 4 thousand dollars off the cost of a pool table, and 20% and tax free of various retail goods. Its not my way, but yeah it happens.

Yes but he doesn’t make it the new cost of that model pool table for everyone and that’s what is being asked.

dietzero.3514:

It should start low and scale higher, the more you buy. Linking something as critical as space to gems is severely punishing to new players and people with multiple characters/accounts, and the problem is only going to get worse. A static gold cost is a far better option.

Currently having to buy ~1000 gold worth of gems to max bank tabs and ONE character’s bag slots is ridiculous.

Agreed OP.

Personally, I think anything available on the Gem Store should be available (with reasonable effort) in game without ever having to purchase gems. Obviously though having the Gems would still make it a lot easier to get them. But it’s all about balance and Anet has to make money some how.

Prophet.6257:

dietzero.3514:

It should start low and scale higher, the more you buy. Linking something as critical as space to gems is severely punishing to new players and people with multiple characters/accounts, and the problem is only going to get worse. A static gold cost is a far better option.

Currently having to buy ~1000 gold worth of gems to max bank tabs and ONE character’s bag slots is ridiculous.

Agreed OP.

Personally, I think anything available on the Gem Store should be available (with reasonable effort) in game without ever having to purchase gems. Obviously though having the Gems would still make it a lot easier to get them. But it’s all about balance and Anet has to make money some how.

And as clearly stated everything in the gem store is available since you can trade gold for gems ( if you dont find that reasonable your free to buy it straight up with real money for gems )
Want to grind gold for 6 hours a day for aprox 4 days gain enough gold ( 4½ gold an hour) for two bag slots.
Or work for 2 hours at your regular jobb and put those money into gem cards its all up to you.

Personaly I like playing and earn gold while I do what things I enjoy.
Given a friend enough gold for a server transfer back from na severs when his friend there stoped playing and a new friend here in eu started.
And I got enough gems from the 5k chests to buy max bags on 4 chars if i wanted to and gold for 13 more maxed chars if I really wanted to.

What the hell do you guys do with all your gold and gems you earn in this game, do you wipe your kitten with them?

Linken.6345:

( 4½ gold an hour)

you can make at least 10G/h by mining platinum, iron and cutting down trees in the appropriate regions :P

Confused by thread.

You can buy gems.

Salvaging saves space

You can deposit mats to your bank at anytime.

18 slot bags are fairly affordable.

You can make bank alts

You can sell to the TP from anywhere

You can effectively store items on the TP

Mirta.5029:

Linken.6345:

( 4½ gold an hour)

you can make at least 10G/h by mining platinum, iron and cutting down trees in the appropriate regions :P

Yes i know but i took a low number so anyone can do it mate

Prophet.6257:

dietzero.3514:

It should start low and scale higher, the more you buy. Linking something as critical as space to gems is severely punishing to new players and people with multiple characters/accounts, and the problem is only going to get worse. A static gold cost is a far better option.

Currently having to buy ~1000 gold worth of gems to max bank tabs and ONE character’s bag slots is ridiculous.

Agreed OP.

Personally, I think anything available on the Gem Store should be available (with reasonable effort) in game without ever having to purchase gems. Obviously though having the Gems would still make it a lot easier to get them. But it’s all about balance and Anet has to make money some how.

Gem can be purchased with in game gold, that means any items in gem store are available without purchasing gem. Gaining gold for gem is quite reasonable effort if you have time to actually play the game.

I am a married man, i cannot afford even 1 hr/day of game play each week, therefore, if gem store item changed to fixed gold price instead of fixed gem price, the gem cost will increase which is a punishment to players that willing to purchase gem for gem store item.

Current system:
Benefit to players with free time
Benefit to players willing to purchase gem for time
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

OP suggestion, (gold cost must be high enough to remain gem value):
Benefit to players with free time
More money required as times goes for players that willing to purchase gem
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

Result:
Anet will lose money for reduced gem purchase

Crossaber.8934:

Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

I suppose, even then, the only real punishing items are the temporary ones. Which could be fixed by either making all items unlimited, or making sure that they come back every so often.

Mirta.5029:

Crossaber.8934:

Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

I suppose, even then, the only real punishing items are the temporary ones. Which could be fixed by either making all items unlimited, or making sure that they come back every so often.

Still there is no suggestion how to make up the income lose for Anet.

Balance means there are 4 groups to consider:
Players with free time
Players willing to purchase gem
Players don’t farm don’t purchase gem
Anet income

Crossaber.8934:

Still there is no suggestion how to make up the income lose for Anet.

Balance means there are 4 groups to consider:
Players with free time
Players willing to purchase gem
Players don’t farm don’t purchase gem
Anet income

I do agree with you and you’re right. Temporary does make a lot of money. Still one could dream about items being less temporary. For example I have all the cute minis like mini hippo. When people ask where could they get that, I have to tell them that they can’t because it’s no longer for sale. I suppose making items come back yearly would be a good compromise. Or allowing you to buy them and send them off to other people later. Kind of like you can buy dye boxes and sell dyes on the trade post. The supply will still theoretically eventually run out, but it will take longer as some people will stock up on them.

Crossaber.8934:

Prophet.6257:

dietzero.3514:

It should start low and scale higher, the more you buy. Linking something as critical as space to gems is severely punishing to new players and people with multiple characters/accounts, and the problem is only going to get worse. A static gold cost is a far better option.

Currently having to buy ~1000 gold worth of gems to max bank tabs and ONE character’s bag slots is ridiculous.

Agreed OP.

Personally, I think anything available on the Gem Store should be available (with reasonable effort) in game without ever having to purchase gems. Obviously though having the Gems would still make it a lot easier to get them. But it’s all about balance and Anet has to make money some how.

Gem can be purchased with in game gold, that means any items in gem store are available without purchasing gem. Gaining gold for gem is quite reasonable effort if you have time to actually play the game.

I am a married man, i cannot afford even 1 hr/day of game play each week, therefore, if gem store item changed to fixed gold price instead of fixed gem price, the gem cost will increase which is a punishment to players that willing to purchase gem for gem store item.

Current system:
Benefit to players with free time
Benefit to players willing to purchase gem for time
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

OP suggestion, (gold cost must be high enough to remain gem value):
Benefit to players with free time
More money required as times goes for players that willing to purchase gem
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

Result:
Anet will lose money for reduced gem purchase

You cannot afford even 1 hour a week? So you value your time do you? You do not consider time to be ‘free’?

If space cost gold instead of gems, the gem to gold price would probably fall a bit, depending on Anet’s usual manipulation. But it would be cheaper to get space with gems because of the much lower gold cost. It would also be much easier for casual players who do not buy gold to get space.

So really, you just want to keep gem to gold prices high for yourself.

Or he’s reacting to the fairly bald attempt to reduce the price :p

Windsagio.1340:

Or he’s reacting to the fairly bald attempt to reduce the price :p

I cannot take him seriously. He spent so long talking about gold being free because you can earn it with time, then says he cannot ‘afford’ to play more than 1 hour a week. So evidently only his time is worth something.

dietzero.3514:

Crossaber.8934:

Prophet.6257:

dietzero.3514:

It should start low and scale higher, the more you buy. Linking something as critical as space to gems is severely punishing to new players and people with multiple characters/accounts, and the problem is only going to get worse. A static gold cost is a far better option.

Currently having to buy ~1000 gold worth of gems to max bank tabs and ONE character’s bag slots is ridiculous.

Agreed OP.

Personally, I think anything available on the Gem Store should be available (with reasonable effort) in game without ever having to purchase gems. Obviously though having the Gems would still make it a lot easier to get them. But it’s all about balance and Anet has to make money some how.

Gem can be purchased with in game gold, that means any items in gem store are available without purchasing gem. Gaining gold for gem is quite reasonable effort if you have time to actually play the game.

I am a married man, i cannot afford even 1 hr/day of game play each week, therefore, if gem store item changed to fixed gold price instead of fixed gem price, the gem cost will increase which is a punishment to players that willing to purchase gem for gem store item.

Current system:
Benefit to players with free time
Benefit to players willing to purchase gem for time
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

OP suggestion, (gold cost must be high enough to remain gem value):
Benefit to players with free time
More money required as times goes for players that willing to purchase gem
Hard for causal players that don’t farm gold and don’t purchase gem

Result:
Anet will lose money for reduced gem purchase

You cannot afford even 1 hour a week? So you value your time do you? You do not consider time to be ‘free’?

If space cost gold instead of gems, the gem to gold price would probably fall a bit, depending on Anet’s usual manipulation. But it would be cheaper to get space with gems because of the much lower gold cost. It would also be much easier for casual players who do not buy gold to get space.

So really, you just want to keep gem to gold prices high for yourself.

1) you seem cannot read. 1 hr/day =/= 1hr/week

2) your suggestion do not consider all 4 parties as a whole. It is not reasonable to ask Anet to reduce their income, players purchase gem to pay more REAL money, in order to encourage players to farm gold for gem more. This will devalue gem further and even less player purchase gold.

3) causal players are the most potential gem buyer because they cannot gather enough gold for gem exchange (like me), when they found it is cheaper to purchase gem than convert with gold, and they want that item so badly, they will buy gem.

4) If bank space become fixed gold, those casual players will just slowly gather gold until one day they can buy one.

You can’t imagine the income lost can deal how much damage to a non sub MMO. I am saying this for myself because GW2 is my most enjoyed MMO that is not trinity on market. I want to see GW2 in grow healthly so they can last until they got beat by another better game.

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

And you’re being hyperbolic, but it’s okay, we still like you just as you are.

By the way, the reason I stepped out of the thread is I think my time has more value than trying to argue why there’s less point to buying bags and bank spaces than other characters.

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

And I seriously doubt many people are converting gold to gems to buy space these days. The price is just way too high, so most do not bother or make an alt guild.

Changing it to gold might actually encourage more people to play, those who were turned off by the gating of space behind gems.

The alternative is of course drastically reducing the gem cost of space. They would sell a lot more this way, and probably increase profits seeing as space is most likely rarely bought these days.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

And you’re being hyperbolic, but it’s okay, we still like you just as you are.

By the way, the reason I stepped out of the thread is I think my time has more value than trying to argue why there’s less point to buying bags and bank spaces than other characters.

No hyperbole here. He flat out stated that gold is ‘free’ and farming for it costs nothing. Yet he states his time has meaning. Pure hypocrisy.

As for the character part, I am waiting for a sale on slots so I can make a level 55 to open my green bags on. Linen and platinum ho! I guess they can mule as well, though I HATE having to have mule characters.

dietzero.3514:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

And you’re being hyperbolic, but it’s okay, we still like you just as you are.

By the way, the reason I stepped out of the thread is I think my time has more value than trying to argue why there’s less point to buying bags and bank spaces than other characters.

No hyperbole here. He flat out stated that gold is ‘free’ and farming for it costs nothing. Yet he states his time has meaning. Pure hypocrisy.

No, not here, but elsewhere. But that’s beside the point.

As for the character part, I am waiting for a sale on slots so I can make a level 55 to open my green bags on. Linen and platinum ho! I guess they can mule as well, though I HATE having to have mule characters.

Well, you don’t have to have them. Unless you’re a packrat like me.

(Still have the Candy-Powered Meter…)

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

And I seriously doubt many people are converting gold to gems to buy space these days. The price is just way too high, so most do not bother or make an alt guild.

Changing it to gold might actually encourage more people to play, those who were turned off by the gating of space behind gems.

The alternative is of course drastically reducing the gem cost of space. They would sell a lot more this way, and probably increase profits seeing as space is most likely rarely bought these days.

Since you dubt not many is buying space anyway why crusade so much to get this change in that benefit noone least enough anet.
If the other guy due to his inhability to play says its fine to plop down real cash to get his space, his whole argument goes out the water becouse he only play 1 hour a week why?
Thats exactly how it should be, people with alot of time play the game gain gold and eventualy buy more space for free since they gained that gold doing what they enjoy. This guy gain it when ever he feels he need it becouse he inject cash to the owners and then can enjoy the little free time he have in the game.
You make alot of assumptions

The price is just way too high, so most do not bother or make an alt guild.

Maybe you should do like many others buy new char slots make lvl 2 guys and equip them with 20 slot bags.

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

1 hr/day = one hour PER day. This is common sense i suppose.

Play time is free, you buy a game for entertainment. You don’t use your working time for gaming right? You use your free time to play and the time you spent you got entertainment out of it. Did you pay extra money for every sec you spend in game? None, so that your play time is free.

If you spend too much time playing that affect any of your working, learning, social, resting time that made you think your play time is not free.

Dude, you need help seriously. I whole heartedly that you are not.

Crossaber.8934:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

1 hr/day = one hour PER day. This is common sense i suppose.

Play time is free, you buy a game for entertainment. You don’t use your working time for gaming right? You use your free time to play and the time you spent you got entertainment out of it. Did you pay extra money for every sec you spend in game? None, so that your play time is free.

If you spend too much time playing that affect any of your working, learning, social, resting time that made you think your play time is not free.

Dude, you need help seriously. I whole heartedly that you are not.

Well in some ways he is right, you know that player time has value, you are paying arenanet real money to get gold, which is essentially other players time. You know time has value, thats why you only have so little of it to play.

Now his solution, may not really explain how making this change will be of benefit to arenanet, but he is right that you should realize you are willing to pay people to grind for you, but at the same time you say their time has no value. Then why is it something you are willing to pay for?

phys.7689:

Crossaber.8934:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

1 hr/day = one hour PER day. This is common sense i suppose.

Play time is free, you buy a game for entertainment. You don’t use your working time for gaming right? You use your free time to play and the time you spent you got entertainment out of it. Did you pay extra money for every sec you spend in game? None, so that your play time is free.

If you spend too much time playing that affect any of your working, learning, social, resting time that made you think your play time is not free.

Dude, you need help seriously. I whole heartedly that you are not.

Well in some ways he is right, you know that player time has value, you are paying arenanet real money to get gold, which is essentially other players time. You know time has value, thats why you only have so little of it to play.

Now his solution, may not really explain how making this change will be of benefit to arenanet, but he is right that you should realize you are willing to pay people to grind for you, but at the same time you say their time has no value. Then why is it something you are willing to pay for?

No he is saying that the little time he have is valuable so he pays to be on equal footing with the ones who have alot of time.

Why should all games give everything to people who have a bunch of time and no money?

This way the guy with a bunch of time can gain gold and buy what ever he needs for ingame gold with a transfer fee when turning it into gems.
They guy with little time can take some of his cash and buy what ever he needs for gems.
The gaming company gain money on the people with little time and regulate the influx of gold in the economy with the cut on gold to gem transfers its a win win for all 3.

Edit
If you think it takes to much gold to buy said item then fork up some real money bub.

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

Mirta.5029:

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

He’s made up his mind, so he’s past the point needing to cite any sources to claims that back his point.

I never said player time is worthless. It is actually the opposite. I said gaining gold is free means we don’t need to pay extra cost (like sub) to play the game. I supposr everyone play when they have free time (play when they are not free is player issue). While we play we traded time for joy, therefore our play time is rewarded. This is where our play time is worth, gold is rewarded when we play, therefore they are free.

The more time spent, the more joy we got, the more gold we gain without extra real money invested.

But your reply seems much more rational, i do enjoy our discussion.

Linken.6345:

phys.7689:

Crossaber.8934:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

1 hr/day = one hour PER day. This is common sense i suppose.

Play time is free, you buy a game for entertainment. You don’t use your working time for gaming right? You use your free time to play and the time you spent you got entertainment out of it. Did you pay extra money for every sec you spend in game? None, so that your play time is free.

If you spend too much time playing that affect any of your working, learning, social, resting time that made you think your play time is not free.

Dude, you need help seriously. I whole heartedly that you are not.

Well in some ways he is right, you know that player time has value, you are paying arenanet real money to get gold, which is essentially other players time. You know time has value, thats why you only have so little of it to play.

Now his solution, may not really explain how making this change will be of benefit to arenanet, but he is right that you should realize you are willing to pay people to grind for you, but at the same time you say their time has no value. Then why is it something you are willing to pay for?

No he is saying that the little time he have is valuable so he pays to be on equal footing with the ones who have alot of time.

Why should all games give everything to people who have a bunch of time and no money?

This way the guy with a bunch of time can gain gold and buy what ever he needs for ingame gold with a transfer fee when turning it into gems.
They guy with little time can take some of his cash and buy what ever he needs for gems.
The gaming company gain money on the people with little time and regulate the influx of gold in the economy with the cut on gold to gem transfers its a win win for all 3.

Edit
If you think it takes to much gold to buy said item then fork up some real money bub.

Thanks Linken.

If the whole player base don’t spend real money for gem, new players will eventually started to decline. Who is gonna pay for hardware maintenance, employees salary, further dlc development….

Players that spend their money for gem is actually playing a big part to keep the game running. Players who don’t purchase gem are indeed enjoying the game when somebody pay Anet to keep the game running.

A F2P (or B2P) MMO needs both types of players. They need the ones who pay RL money, and the big mass that doesn’t play so that the world has enough people playing.

Linken.6345:

phys.7689:

Crossaber.8934:

dietzero.3514:

Oh, 1 hour a day. Still, you rate your time as worth something, yet you claim those who spend their time gaining gold in game are doing it for free. You are being hypocritical.

Wait. You said 1 hour of game play a day EACH WEEK. Why add the weekly part?

1 hr/day = one hour PER day. This is common sense i suppose.

Play time is free, you buy a game for entertainment. You don’t use your working time for gaming right? You use your free time to play and the time you spent you got entertainment out of it. Did you pay extra money for every sec you spend in game? None, so that your play time is free.

If you spend too much time playing that affect any of your working, learning, social, resting time that made you think your play time is not free.

Dude, you need help seriously. I whole heartedly that you are not.

Well in some ways he is right, you know that player time has value, you are paying arenanet real money to get gold, which is essentially other players time. You know time has value, thats why you only have so little of it to play.

Now his solution, may not really explain how making this change will be of benefit to arenanet, but he is right that you should realize you are willing to pay people to grind for you, but at the same time you say their time has no value. Then why is it something you are willing to pay for?

No he is saying that the little time he have is valuable so he pays to be on equal footing with the ones who have alot of time.

Why should all games give everything to people who have a bunch of time and no money?

This way the guy with a bunch of time can gain gold and buy what ever he needs for ingame gold with a transfer fee when turning it into gems.
They guy with little time can take some of his cash and buy what ever he needs for gems.
The gaming company gain money on the people with little time and regulate the influx of gold in the economy with the cut on gold to gem transfers its a win win for all 3.

Edit
If you think it takes to much gold to buy said item then fork up some real money bub.

i never said the proposition was a horrible one, I simply said that peoples time is valuable.
I never said they should give everything to people with time and no money. Though, people who play the game, bought the game, and they will probably by the expansion too, so yeah they should definately give paying customers a satisfactory experience.

I see why the initial poster believes that having tabs cost more the more you get would be a more satisfying experience, and they probably created too much inventory, but i dont think his proposal as it is, would fly.

Mirta.5029:

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

Anet will never give that out. But it is common sense. It is a finite item, new players were scared off by a horrible NPE, and most of the whales would have capped it already. These weekly sales would be the vast majority of their income.

dietzero.3514:

Anet will never give that out. But it is common sense. It is a finite item, new players were scared off by a horrible NPE, and most of the whales would have capped it already. These weekly sales would be the vast majority of their income.

Source?

And if that is indeed true, why bother removing the cost, since people apparently already have all of them?

dietzero.3514:

Mirta.5029:

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

Anet will never give that out. But it is common sense. It is a finite item, new players were scared off by a horrible NPE, and most of the whales would have capped it already. These weekly sales would be the vast majority of their income.

In other words, “my argument is weak so I’ll make up unsubstantiated statements to bolster it. I will also make it stronger by declaring that ANet has little to lose. However I don’t have access to the relevant numbers so I’ll just use my biased opinions on the matter and call that common sense.”

Astral Projections.7320:

dietzero.3514:

Mirta.5029:

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

Anet will never give that out. But it is common sense. It is a finite item, new players were scared off by a horrible NPE, and most of the whales would have capped it already. These weekly sales would be the vast majority of their income.

In other words, “my argument is weak so I’ll make up unsubstantiated statements to bolster it. I will also make it stronger by declaring that ANet has little to lose. However I don’t have access to the relevant numbers so I’ll just use my biased opinions on the matter and call that common sense.”

In before I think other people do it so that justifies my doing something that I think others are doing.

After having read 6 pages of discussion (not easy at some times, I can tell you) I still do not know what the thread is really about. Is it that the gold price is too high for additional bank tabs/bags?

Halvorn.9831:

After having read 6 pages of discussion (not easy at some times, I can tell you) I still do not know what the thread is really about. Is it that the gold price is too high for additional bank tabs/bags?

The thread is about people who don’t want to earn enough gold to buy the gems nor do they want to buy gems with real money. Therefore they want the items out of the gem store and the price artificially capped at a few gold so they can get it without paying money or exerting themselves in game to earn the gold.

I still think the gem-to-gold and gold-to-gem conversion rates are absurd.

I honestly wouldn’t mind them having a $15/month fee to play and just get rid of the gem store altogether.

PulsarianDevil.8125:

I still think the gem-to-gold and gold-to-gem conversion rates are absurd.

I honestly wouldn’t mind them having a $15/month fee to play and just get rid of the gem store altogether.

So you would rather be forced to pay every month to even play the game rather than being able to CHOOSE to pay if you want to.

You could of course also buy gems for $15 a month and easily be able to buy whatever you want from the gem-store.

I do agree with the Gold-Gem though. They should probably remove it, since that seems to be the main complaints people bring up. “The rate is way too high, everything in the gemstore costs hundreds of gold!!”.

phys.7689:

So yes time still has value, the stick has value, and even monetarily it has value

Things only have monetary value if someone else finds it to have monetary value.

It’s like if I had some dirty disgusting rag that’s 30 years old, it was the first rag I vomited on as a baby. To me it is priceless and extremely valuable. But what monetary value does it have? If I can’t sell it to anyone to convert into money, then it has none. The only value it has is the feels it gives me.

Someone’s Beanie Baby collection could have been valued at $1m in the 90s and is now worth $800. Perhaps that person still believes their collection to be worth $1m, but there’s nobody on this planet that would pay him that, their monetary value is whatever the market (others) dictate it to be.

Now if you had a fancy stick, with nice carvings, someone might buy that from you. Or maybe a bundle of sticks you sell as a firewood set, someone might actually buy that to save themselves the trouble.

But if you found a random stick and you tried for weeks to sell it to someone and nobody bought it. Then that stick has no monetary value for you. It is just a stick. You can’t put food on your table with it. It can have value to you, but not necessarily monetary value. And you can’t say “well, this stick still has value because maybe someone somewhere could possibly buy it from me for like $0.01 someday, therefore it is worth at least a penny.” Because if you can’t actually liquidate it into funds, then it doesn’t have that monetary value.

PulsarianDevil.8125:

I still think the gem-to-gold and gold-to-gem conversion rates are absurd.

I honestly wouldn’t mind them having a $15/month fee to play and just get rid of the gem store altogether.

Can’t think of a single game that has a sub but not the equivalent of the gem store. Can you name some?

lordkrall.7241:

I do agree with the Gold-Gem though. They should probably remove it, since that seems to be the main complaints people bring up. “The rate is way too high, everything in the gemstore costs hundreds of gold!!”.

Can I respectfully disagree? Converting between Gems and Gold is an option. An option that may help player under specific circumstances. You have gems left but not enough? Convert some gold into the missing gems. You need more gold but cannot spend the time currently? Buy some gems and convert them?

Independently of the current rate, the conversion is an option and options are good.

On the topic itself: I do not see that the current price for bank tabs is too high. I’ve bought quite a few in 2.5 years of GW2 and am happily supporting the game by these means; in fact I think this is waaaaay superior to shelling out a sub regularly. Subs are dead if your game is not WoW, let’s face it.

I do think however that the bag spaces should not have been per character. They should have been account-wide. Making them per-character is not very alt-friendly.

Halvorn.9831:

Can I respectfully disagree? Converting between Gems and Gold is an option. An option that may help player under specific circumstances. You have gems left but not enough? Convert some gold into the missing gems. You need more gold but cannot spend the time currently? Buy some gems and convert them?

Independently of the current rate, the conversion is an option and options are good.

Oh, I like the option as well. But seeing as basically every single complaints about the gem-store prices is based around how much it costs in gold maybe taking it away (temporarily?) might be interesting.

Yargesh.4965:

PulsarianDevil.8125:

I still think the gem-to-gold and gold-to-gem conversion rates are absurd.

I honestly wouldn’t mind them having a $15/month fee to play and just get rid of the gem store altogether.

Can’t think of a single game that has a sub but not the equivalent of the gem store. Can you name some?

Dark Age of Camelot never had a gem store for over 10 years. I don’t think WoW, WAR, or Aion had gem stores either, but it’s been a while and they may have added them. All of those games had monthly fees, however. GW2 is the first mmo I’ve played without a monthly fee, and it’s also the first mmo I’ve played that has a gem store.

Astral Projections.7320:

Halvorn.9831:

After having read 6 pages of discussion (not easy at some times, I can tell you) I still do not know what the thread is really about. Is it that the gold price is too high for additional bank tabs/bags?

The thread is about people who don’t want to earn enough gold to buy the gems nor do they want to buy gems with real money. Therefore they want the items out of the gem store and the price artificially capped at a few gold so they can get it without paying money or exerting themselves in game to earn the gold.

to be perfectly honest, i think the point is that bank tabs are prohibitive for new players, they would rather have a scaled price based on how many tabs they own, like you generally see in other games that dont sell tabs.

However since that would require it be gold, and not gems, he suggests it should be gold.

what he is really saying is, how as a newish player is he supposed to get 80 gold or whatever for a bank tab.
he has a point, however, even though people may not love it, its one the things they sell, that is actually useful, therefore it is probably one of the things that makes people want to use the gem store, and thus supports anet.

I dont think the current inventory is completely unmanageable, if you use salvage kits, the TP, bags and such. but, its not very comfortable either.

PulsarianDevil.8125:

Dark Age of Camelot never had a gem store for over 10 years. I don’t think WoW, WAR, or Aion had gem stores either, but it’s been a while and they may have added them.

WoW and Aion have had cash stores for years. WAR have been shut down for more than a year.

phys.7689:

Astral Projections.7320:

Halvorn.9831:

After having read 6 pages of discussion (not easy at some times, I can tell you) I still do not know what the thread is really about. Is it that the gold price is too high for additional bank tabs/bags?

The thread is about people who don’t want to earn enough gold to buy the gems nor do they want to buy gems with real money. Therefore they want the items out of the gem store and the price artificially capped at a few gold so they can get it without paying money or exerting themselves in game to earn the gold.

to be perfectly honest, i think the point is that bank tabs are prohibitive for new players, they would rather have a scaled price based on how many tabs they own, like you generally see in other games that dont sell tabs.

However since that would require it be gold, and not gems, he suggests it should be gold.

what he is really saying is, how as a newish player is he supposed to get 80 gold or whatever for a bank tab.
he has a point, however, even though people may not love it, its one the things they sell, that is actually useful, therefore it is probably one of the things that makes people want to use the gem store, and thus supports anet.

I dont think the current inventory is completely unmanageable, if you use salvage kits, the TP, bags and such. but, its not very comfortable either.

Honestly—if you have to make alts just to expand available space, there’s probably a problem with limited inventory/bank space in the game.

lordkrall.7241:

PulsarianDevil.8125:

Dark Age of Camelot never had a gem store for over 10 years. I don’t think WoW, WAR, or Aion had gem stores either, but it’s been a while and they may have added them.

WoW and Aion have had cash stores for years. WAR have been shut down for more than a year.

WoW did not have a cash store when I played it from 2004-2008. Its cash store was implemented in 2013, a whopping 9 years after release. Aion opened a cash store in 2012, two years after I quit, and roughly three years after release. WAR did not have a cash store when I played from 2008-2009. Dark Age of Camelot still does not have a cash store (and instead has a monthly subscription fee).

PulsarianDevil.8125:

Honestly—if you have to make alts just to expand available space, there’s probably a problem with limited inventory/bank space in the game.

Considering this is common practice in basically any MMO (they are called “mules”), I disagree.

But they have them now (and WoW also have subscriptions + box-costs on top of that).

It is quite irrelevant that they didn’t have them before. They have them now, and have had them for years.

You claimed that they didn’t have them, which is clearly false.

PulsarianDevil.8125:

lordkrall.7241:

PulsarianDevil.8125:

Dark Age of Camelot never had a gem store for over 10 years. I don’t think WoW, WAR, or Aion had gem stores either, but it’s been a while and they may have added them.

WoW and Aion have had cash stores for years. WAR have been shut down for more than a year.

WoW did not have a cash store when I played it from 2004-2008. Its cash store was implemented in 2013, a whopping 9 years after release. Aion opened a cash store in 2012, two years after I quit, and roughly three years after release. WAR did not have a cash store when I played from 2008-2009. Dark Age of Camelot still does not have a cash store (and instead has a monthly subscription fee).

You’re actually wrong. WoW’s cash shop started in 2009.