Guild Wars 2

While I enjoy the interesting music that has come out of some of those instrument macros, I think legalizing macros for music has opened a very serious can of worms.

Scepter Elementalists using element cycle macros to burn through their rotation and proc like 7 lightning strikes in a row and macro thieves are starting to become mainstream.

I can’t play a 1hour session in SPVP without running into at least one of these (which is so obvious to see once you instant explode from an ele and look through your combat log to see nothing but a long stream of lighting strikes chained together in .5 seconds – done way faster than the human hand can press).

I report all of them I can, but it’s not enough. I think its banhammer time. Unleash the Dhuum.

It’d help if you provided proof to us here of said macroing. I’m not saying you’re lying, it just helps your case if you do so. If it’s obvious macroing then it’d be easily detected and dealt with by a GM on-hand without a report, too. I’ve seen a couple of cases in WvW of that first hand.

Really? I don’t personally use macros but playing in Spvp I’d assumed that it was common/accepted. The real problem is; You could make a macro with a random key press delay. Then how would you know if it was a quick player or a macro?

Perhaps best not to go too crazy on this.

From the official wiki:

Logitech Gaming Keyboards[edit]

This key section of the article is incomplete. You can help the Guild Wars 2 Wiki by expanding it.
G19s has its own app that shows world completion, zone completion, WvW score, basic stats (power, precision, defense, and health), and the combat log.
The G13 is a mini-keyboard that includes 25 programmable G-keys that simplify complex actions by allowing you to configure up to 75 unique functions across three different modes with three macros per key. (G-key programming requires Logitech® Gaming Software, available at gaming.logitech.com/support)
G15 shows world completion, zone completion, WvW score, and basic stats (power, precision, and defense).

So ANET not only allows, but apparently endorses macros to some extent.

So Devs, what’s the deal on that?

Ithilwen.1529:

So Devs, what’s the deal on that?

You’d get a better and faster answer if you emailed the team. I usually get quick and custom responses regarding unusual questions from the team, so try there.

Ithilwen.1529:

So ANET not only allows, but apparently endorses macros to some extent.

The wiki is written by the players. The page only showed that ArenaNet supports the LCD. The rest is describing what the device is.

Simple macros are allowed, complex macros are not. The general rule is 1 action per key press. Their policy.

MrWubzy.3587:

If it’s obvious macroing then it’d be easily detected and dealt with by a GM on-hand without a report, too.

Obvious macroing is easily detectable. Simply using a macro however cannot be detected. Through analysis, they can make assumptions, but they can’t prove it without a doubt as long as what you’re doing is humanly possible.

Healix.5819:

Ithilwen.1529:

So ANET not only allows, but apparently endorses macros to some extent.

The wiki is written by the players. The page only showed that ArenaNet supports the LCD. The rest is describing what the device is.

Simple macros are allowed, complex macros are not. The general rule is 1 action per key press. There used to be a topic about it, but it was deleted during the restructure.

MrWubzy.3587:

If it’s obvious macroing then it’d be easily detected and dealt with by a GM on-hand without a report, too.

Obvious macroing is easily detectable. Simply using a macro however cannot be detected. Through analysis, they can make assumptions, but they can’t prove it without a doubt as long as what you’re doing is humanly possible.

That’s true, though I do wish there was a way to tell using GM/dev tools to make their jobs easier. Wishing for the stars, one would say.

I’m calling bullkitten on the op.

First, it makes no sense to have a macro on thief. All of their skills have an animation of some sort. All of the instant cast skills are shadowsteps or evades. Those are reactionary skills, you would handicap yourself by having a program use them under specific timings.

For elementalist, swapping attunments puts all other attunments on a half second cooldown, preventing you from swapping through all 4 instantly. A lot of really good scepter eles have their keybinds in such as way that they can execute their combos really fast. If you’ve ever watched a scepter combo tutorial on youtube, many of them do their full burst combo in under a second.

If you’re dieing from a chain of lightning strikes then that person is hacking; he’s not using a macro.

Ithilwen.1529:

From the official wiki:

Logitech Gaming Keyboards[edit]

This key section of the article is incomplete. You can help the Guild Wars 2 Wiki by expanding it.
G19s has its own app that shows world completion, zone completion, WvW score, basic stats (power, precision, defense, and health), and the combat log.
The G13 is a mini-keyboard that includes 25 programmable G-keys that simplify complex actions by allowing you to configure up to 75 unique functions across three different modes with three macros per key. (G-key programming requires Logitech® Gaming Software, available at gaming.logitech.com/support)
G15 shows world completion, zone completion, WvW score, and basic stats (power, precision, and defense).

So ANET not only allows, but apparently endorses macros to some extent.

May want to look at the Wiki a bit more clearly. Here, I’ll link you the page:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Running_the_game

lordhelmos.7623:

While I enjoy the interesting music that has come out of some of those instrument macros, I think legalizing macros for music has opened a very serious can of worms.

Scepter Elementalists using element cycle macros to burn through their rotation and proc like 7 lightning strikes in a row and macro thieves are starting to become mainstream.

I can’t play a 1hour session in SPVP without running into at least one of these (which is so obvious to see once you instant explode from an ele and look through your combat log to see nothing but a long stream of lighting strikes chained together in .5 seconds – done way faster than the human hand can press).

I report all of them I can, but it’s not enough. I think its banhammer time. Unleash the Dhuum.

The pro Eles in SPvP just learned to play. You shouldn’t report someone just because they played better than you.

Unless you have solid proof they are not macroing.

I get the feeling this guy’s just a little hurt in the gluteus maximus because he got beat by Thieves and Eles.

Ive played hours of pvp without running into any of these, so either this guy is incredibly unlucky, or he doesnt understand thief or scepter ele and is qqing.

lordhelmos.7623:

While I enjoy the interesting music that has come out of some of those instrument macros, I think legalizing macros for music has opened a very serious can of worms.

Scepter Elementalists using element cycle macros to burn through their rotation and proc like 7 lightning strikes in a row and macro thieves are starting to become mainstream.

I can’t play a 1hour session in SPVP without running into at least one of these (which is so obvious to see once you instant explode from an ele and look through your combat log to see nothing but a long stream of lighting strikes chained together in .5 seconds – done way faster than the human hand can press).

I report all of them I can, but it’s not enough. I think its banhammer time. Unleash the Dhuum.

lol

I recall that back in CoH, it was possible to make a macro that would do something different each time it was pressed. One example was, if you had multiple defensive powers, each press would turn a different one on.

Is it possible that the same idea’s being used here? One action per press, but the action changes in a pre-set pattern. As I understand, it would be within the rules, but it might explain some of the faster button pressing you see for some fast button pressing patterns. With it all linked to that one button, it’s reduced to a matter of simple timing.

I used tons of macro’s playing RIFT because they had a great built in macro system. I had one build of my dps cleric that literally could be played with 1 button.

That being said you’re at a disadvantage using macro generally speaking. Especially in GW2 where almost every skill has a utility function attached to it.

Ele maybe but thief? Every single thief skill needs to be independently bound unless you just feel like getting owned over and over again.

I’m doubtful this op has ever used a actual macro nor really understands what they are. Macro’s are for pve or other repetitive tasks. I’m very skeptical that anyone “good at pvp” is using any extensive form of macros.

Also how would a macro speed up the Ele’s lighting whip? That would be a hack not a macro. Big difference.

Palador.2170:

I recall that back in CoH, it was possible to make a macro that would do something different each time it was pressed. One example was, if you had multiple defensive powers, each press would turn a different one on.

Is it possible that the same idea’s being used here? One action per press, but the action changes in a pre-set pattern. As I understand, it would be within the rules, but it might explain some of the faster button pressing you see for some fast button pressing patterns. With it all linked to that one button, it’s reduced to a matter of simple timing.

It is easy enough to have the macro prioritize certain button presses or for the macro to cycle through whatever isn’t on CD at the time. Then again that would need a built in macro system or some type of 3rd party software to work. RIFTS macro system could do this because the devs built in the macro system themselves so there were tons of either/Or type instructions you could add.

Logitech’s keyboard macros’ are NOT capable of seeing what your cd’s are in game. The most a logitech macro could do is cycle a pre deteremined set of buttons to push in a particular order.