Guild Wars 2

Tmeh.4091:

I love these comments. Especially the ones about the races and not granting the whiners the satisfaction of getting a free achievement.

All in all, it does bother me slightly that people do content like this and I’m sure I’ll at one point just put it past me and let them play the game how they want to play it…
But lets be honest… If you ignore a problem because it’s too much of a hassle to fix, you’re basically giving them a free pass.

Towards the person saying that this is an excuse for a mesmer nerf, I ask of you to do nothing more than read the posts following my initial post and if you for any reason are like the people we’re talking about, which you clearly are then you’ll probably skip it but let me go ahead and make it easy for you as well.

I said that Mesmers should in no way be nerfed for this because the ability Portal is in itself a great ability with a lot of uses I do however think it should be adjusted for JP BUT if that results in a direct nerf to the ability, Mesmers should be adjusted accordingly to make up for the loss.

i use the portal for myself in case i fall as a second jump, i did all my jumping puzzle this way (and since i don’t have a last generation computer i still waste hours on some of them or fall and die anyway so much for the second chance) and never bothered to come back to jps unless for dailies (and i still jump for myself), and never park my mesmer anywhere since it is my main, but i use portal on other few occasion and nerfing a portal on a permanent jumping puzzle for me is killing a skill that i don’t use otherwise in pve, it looks pretty to have but useless, and according to what they do with skill “balance” when they nerf a skill they don’t power up it in other content… oh and the portal was already been nerfed a long time ago.

in the beginning it has 60s cooldown and could teleport so many people as long as it was active, now can port only 20 people for wvwvw purposes i guess

I was porting people for the goggles jump at the sky pirates platform during the first week after the population in the JP died down. This was mainly to help those who were trying to get the dive achievement or were simply doing it again for fun. There were many who did reach the platform on their own, but died during the 1st dive and needed to do the JP all over again for subsequent tries. The holographic mountain blocking the view wasn’t much help either. Porting them up helped them bypass the tedious & repetitive process of the JP for subsequent tries at the dive. I see portals in JPs being a useful service the mesmer class is able to provide the PvE community. Seeing people faceplant into beams repeatedly was also kind of fun =) Do not remove portals in JP. Just ignore the beggers… as a mesmer I do that too.

we can put it this way, the mesmer is like an healer in a raid, only in a different way and for a completely different content^^

Anet has pretty consistently designed new JP’s so that portals can be used to cheat them, so I guess: working as intended?

Emperor.1360:

This behaviour is annoying and pathetic, but unsurprising, given the low skill level of some players.

Remember Crab Toss? The skilled players—-the ones who earned all the achievements legitimately—-had no trouble winning. Meanwhile, the low-skill players were constantly whining about “trading off achievements” and “helping” each other in what was intended to be a competitive game, some going so far as to curse out those players who attempted to enjoy the game as intended!

It’s amusing to me how the players who are the worst at this game are so often also the ones so obsessive about “looking good” with achievements, skins, weapons, etc. It’s a lot like a guy in real life who makes minimum wage, with no further aspirations or work ethic, yet takes out massive loans in order to “look good” driving around in a fancy car/truck. It’s all about appearances to these types of people, and entitlement. Oh well.

Remember all the complaints about the dodging daily and how it was too hard? LOL!

i don’t get why people consider portals a cheat, are the stability skills considered cheating because prevents you from being knocked out?

Rewards in nature are meant for the "can"s, not "cannot"s. Otherwise there would be an NPC standing at the starting area handing out the end prize just for showing up and it wouldn’t be at the end of something that takes weeks of work for a dozen or more people to create.

Exotic items, achievement points, meta progress, what have you…its all a cookie for completing something. Portals circumvent the process of having to earn whatever reward was crafted for completion. They trivialize the challenge, the reward, the content, and the effort of the people that created it.

I hope Anet finds a way to eliminate the “technique”. Halloween didn’t see this problem because utilities were locked out and the fog kept players from re-starting, and Wintersday avoided it by having a teleporter at the end that sent players to an isolated piece of geometry. I’m sure as the creation process matures we will see less content that is designed to be challenging but ends up being bypassed with one utility skill.

I don’t really see an issue with it. Possibly because I’m a GW1 player and use to run people and this isn’t all that different.
I don’t do a JP on Mesmer specifically to port people unless a friend asks but if I get to the top I drop a portal for anyone who is there happens to want it. I don’t particularly care if they get the achievement without really doing the JP and I like helping people who genuinely stuck (not so much those who beg for a portal before even trying). I prefer to do the puzzles myself most of the time but will use a portal if its one there and it’s really giving me trouble.

Screaming at people to purposefully throw games for achievements is kittenty though. Its not like you need all achievements for LS skins.

Tmeh.4091:

Hello!

I just had to endure two people crying for a mesmer for their JP for the better half of an hour.

Mind=Blown

When I questioned why this guy was so eager to complete this JP he replied with “For the achievement, *so I can get skins and gear”.*

/facepalm

A completionist that wants it on a silver platter.

The reason I’m posting this is so I can A ) Share this thorn in my eye and B ) So I can pose the question, isn’t this incredibly counter-productive? On one side you’ve got the developers and they’re faulty for letting this happen and on the other side, the players in question that would rather fuss and cry for an hour over doing the puzzle themselves.

Confusing, the reward this time around is a quartz node, maybe he wanted it for that?
it’s a mat that will be used to craft items in the future, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people bad at JP or jumping in general to ask for help.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

People like this are the reason I spent 2 hours in the race this morning winning over and over again. I already got all the achievements and the money isn’t that great, but the satisfaction of winning a game and feasting on all those tears was just too much fun.

Have you ever been “that guy” at a party of get together. You know, the one that keeps winning something over and over, to the point were even the onlookers are getting annoyed, followed by the phrase, “let someone else have a try”, or “share the love”.

Or someone is playing a pick up game of basketball, and making a lot of shots, but eventually start passing the ball to their teammates just so they can get a shot in.

What I’m saying is I don’t see anything unusual about people trading wins after one person has won a lot , as it happens in real life all the time. I think it’s just a human thing.

Now, if they are calling the winner names, and what not, that’s too far.

g e o.2589:

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmer Portals should be disabled for JP’s or the Mesmer portal nerfed so it is harder/impossible to use in JP’s.

Why??

Because it makes jumping achievements pointless, ie…no achievement at all really, for the Mesmer who did the JP and all the players mesmers portal to the end.

Mesmers often demand payment as well…which causes trouble…

Also, Mesmer portal has been abused in loads of different ways and its one of those skills Anet have trouble designing content around because of exploits from Mesmer portal…

Everyone should do JP’s by you know jumping…they will get a better sense of achievement when they do…

Like someone suggested, just add checkpoints which if you don’t clear the checkpoints, the players won’t be able to open the chest.

Meglobob.8620:

g e o.2589:

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmer Portals should be disabled for JP’s or the Mesmer portal nerfed so it is harder/impossible to use in JP’s.

Why??

Because it makes jumping achievements pointless, ie…no achievement at all really, for the Mesmer who did the JP and all the players mesmers portal to the end.

Mesmers often demand payment as well…which causes trouble…

Also, Mesmer portal has been abused in loads of different ways and its one of those skills Anet have trouble designing content around because of exploits from Mesmer portal…

Everyone should do JP’s by you know jumping…they will get a better sense of achievement when they do…

Why do you care? Not trying to be insulting. I seriously want to know so I can understand why they should do this. Because right now they really are not hurting anyone by keeping things the way things are in is helping matters in some cases.

I think a lot more people would be upset then happy if they nerfed/disabled Mesmer portals on jumping puzzles.

Some people just get the most of their enjoyment from denying fun to others.

SirDrygan.1823:

Like someone suggested, just add checkpoints which if you don’t clear the checkpoints, the players won’t be able to open the chest.

This is an awesome suggestion come to think of it.

While I understand some people have difficulty doing JPs, this would help those players get those achievements still, without rewarding them the loot for doing no effort.

I know a lot of players out there just want the achievement checked off their list, so this would work for them.

Or, just add a blooming WP somewhere in the middle of the JP so that at least when I fall and die I can WP somewhere at least partway through, lol.

Obviously, people will continue to port to avoid these fees, and that’s fine, but I think a lot more people wouldn’t mind doing it on their own if they had an option to skip the first part or whatever.

Or they could make WPs and make them free in JPs, like they do in cities.

SirDrygan.1823:

Like someone suggested, just add checkpoints which if you don’t clear the checkpoints, the players won’t be able to open the chest.

If you do add checkpoints (which definitely wouldn’t be a good idea for at least some of the jp’s – Obsidian Sanctum, i’m looking at you there), add also the ability to return to last cleared checkpoint after a failed jump (like in Spekk’s or Goemm’s)

I could’ve simply used my block feature on that particular person and you might say that as long it doesn’t affect my game that it shouldn’t matter which is all true…

But that doesn’t change the fact that crying for an hour straight, DEMANDING a mesmer to come portal you up to the chest is just wrong. So you can get an achievement and/or free items you clearly did NOT deserve.

If I haven’t said it before, the amount of disappointment I felt when I was talking to the person begging for the portals…

Put it in a different context, I want a 5 million euro house and a job with an annual salary of 500k euros. I -demand- ANet to give that to me. (Imagine if I got it, why would you spend 5 years getting a degree)

There’s no point in doing the JP the normal way any more, because the achievement has become null.

Another point to this is, why should the majority of us do the JP the normal way?

I could be standing afk with a macro spamming the chat every 5 min asking for a Mesmer to portal me. Then when some Mesmer actually does come over to help, I’ll treat him like a dirt bag but he’ll lower himself and accept it because he wants the money.

Meanwhile you’ve got people doing the actual jumping puzzle and it’s been taking them an hour to get it down and halfway through they see the guy that’s been QQing for a Mesmer, get his portal up and he actually completed the thing by semi-akitteng.

It takes away my sense of achievement, it takes away his sense of achievement, it just ruins any attempt I’m ever going to have at another JP and I’m sure of it that more people feel the same way.

Next time I do a JP, I’ll just get a bloody portal because an achievement is no longer true to what it’s called.

Astralporing: You posted saying that some people get their enjoyment out of denying other people their fun…

As I’ve written in this post, there’s two sides to that argument.
You deny me my fun and achievement by doing it in half the time (not counting the spam), through miss-use of abilities and disrespect towards the people helping you.

You could say I (and many others) want to deny other people their fun by adjusting the Portal spell. I still don’t see how fun pressing F twice in a row to get free phat lewt is fun though.

I am terribad at jumping puzzles. I’ve never been much of a console gamer and jumping around is something that is very hard for me to do.

I will give it a go and occassionaly I will manage to complete a JP. But the majority of times I don’t. This is when I thank my stars for the guild mesmers, some of whom seem capable of doing these JPs with their eyes shut! They just bounce across timed slabs with ease. Whereas I run out of time and fall into the fire, or whatever grisly fate awaits!

So, for players like me, mesmer portals are a huge help. However, you won’t see me wailing in /map, I’ll just wait until a guildie can help me.

anzenketh.3759:

Meglobob.8620:

g e o.2589:

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmer Portals should be disabled for JP’s or the Mesmer portal nerfed so it is harder/impossible to use in JP’s.

Why??

Because it makes jumping achievements pointless, ie…no achievement at all really, for the Mesmer who did the JP and all the players mesmers portal to the end.

Mesmers often demand payment as well…which causes trouble…

Also, Mesmer portal has been abused in loads of different ways and its one of those skills Anet have trouble designing content around because of exploits from Mesmer portal…

Everyone should do JP’s by you know jumping…they will get a better sense of achievement when they do…

Why do you care? Not trying to be insulting. I seriously want to know so I can understand why they should do this.

Well personally I am not bothered…

But it does make new JP’s rather pointless and makes the content trivial. Also, all the JP achievements that you can complete with Mesmer portal are seen as worthless because everyone will just assume you used Mesmer portal…

But if Anet are happy for players to do this then I am not bothered by it…

Meglobob.8620:

g e o.2589:

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmer Portals should be disabled for JP’s or the Mesmer portal nerfed so it is harder/impossible to use in JP’s.

Why??

Because it makes jumping achievements pointless, ie…no achievement at all really, for the Mesmer who did the JP and all the players mesmers portal to the end.

Mesmers often demand payment as well…which causes trouble…

Also, Mesmer portal has been abused in loads of different ways and its one of those skills Anet have trouble designing content around because of exploits from Mesmer portal…

Everyone should do JP’s by you know jumping…they will get a better sense of achievement when they do…

I am the mesmer, not the guy who begs for portals. I do all content myself unless I die by accident at the end i would take a portal but I am the portal thrower myself. Nice people always say thank you and tip a little.

Meglobob.8620:

g e o.2589:

Meglobob.8620:

Mesmer Portals should be disabled for JP’s or the Mesmer portal nerfed so it is harder/impossible to use in JP’s.

Why??

Because it makes jumping achievements pointless, ie…no achievement at all really, for the Mesmer who did the JP and all the players mesmers portal to the end.

Mesmers often demand payment as well…which causes trouble…

Also, Mesmer portal has been abused in loads of different ways and its one of those skills Anet have trouble designing content around because of exploits from Mesmer portal…

Everyone should do JP’s by you know jumping…they will get a better sense of achievement when they do…

I saw some of this “Demand for payment or begging for payment” today. I am a mesmer, not once have I ever hinted I wanted a tip nor would I have the choice take one. I was sickened by the people saying " Will port for gold" or " Portal to goggles 3 gold " or my favorite " I loooove tips if you want a portal" . Really really turned my stomach. So when I see this I just go up and port for free. I have no intention of charging someone for something that took me two seconds to do. I must of portaled about 70 people today in the space of 4 hours. All I ever expect is a ty! and most of the time I don’t get that..

At the end of it all, its called a “Personal Achievement” for a reason. What other people do to attain their personal achievement as long as they aren’t cheating or exploiting to get it ( which mesmer portals are neither ) then it should be no skin off your back. Seriously, stop being a busy body and mind your own business. Not being rude, but you will be much happier.

Saetet.4082:

At the end of it all, its called a “Personal Achievement” for a reason. What other people do to attain their personal achievement as long as they aren’t cheating or exploiting to get it ( which mesmer portals are neither ) then it should be no skin off your back. Seriously, stop being a busy body and mind your own business. Not being rude, but you will be much happier.

I could not agree more.

People need to learn how to filter chat if it annoys them that much.

I don’t see it as a problem. You can ignore the whiner and not be bothered. I don’t demand a mesmer portal and I don’t have a problem with using them if a portal is open. I am crap at jp’s so the chances of my getting all of them are slim.