Guild Wars 2

In pve dungeons what would be the next highest dps class after ele and thief. I was thinking bomb engi but not sure. You can add single target and aoe if you like.

Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that.

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

Unless something changed and I missed it, warrior is not top tier dps. It’s just the easiest class to play. Meta engineer (3 kit) is the next best dps after ele and thief.

Rainmaker.7594:

Unless something changed and I missed it, warrior is not top tier dps. It’s just the easiest class to play. Meta engineer (3 kit) is the next best dps after ele and thief.

Community in game LFG like to think it is.

Though to be honest it doesn’t matter at all about dps rankings as all instances minus high level fractals are stupid easy anyway.

I thought necro had very high single target dps. It was there lack of group support that made them not desired in group play.

Stubie.5834:

I thought necro had very high single target dps. It was there lack of group support that made them not desired in group play.

They’re low in damage as the basis of their class relies on Conditions which are sub optimal to power based builds. There is a lot of issues with condi based builds just not being as good at all. They’re not useless don’t get me wrong just not as high as power builds with zerker gear.

Now HoT with necro specialization and greatswords may change everything.

How does a dagger or axe wielding necro rely on conditions? Couldn’t that be said for all classes as they have condition and power specs?

There’s some research by those hardcore dungeon guild. Try to search the internet for it.

Base on their research is. Top 3 is warrior, elemental, thief. They are just about head and head. I think staff elementist might be the slight highest.

Everything else is just about the same in tier2. Neco(berserker) is about same as every other class. But the big difference is necro don’t really have any skill that buff might for the group. So that’ll cause the group to lower.

Stubie.5834:

I thought necro had very high single target dps. It was there lack of group support that made them not desired in group play.

They dont’ have very high single target dps. Very high would mean they are at least higher than the other class. Which is not true. They are not lower but not higher too.

But the group support makes the difference. Necro is self sustainable. But don’t bring much to help other people in the group.

Warrior in top 3…HAHAHHAHAHA

Im sorry warrior is 5th.

I suggest o take a look at warrior section. If it wasnt for banner bot warriors would be auto kicked from any speedgroup.

heartless.6803:

Rainmaker.7594:

Unless something changed and I missed it, warrior is not top tier dps. It’s just the easiest class to play. Meta engineer (3 kit) is the next best dps after ele and thief.

Community in game LFG like to think it is.

Though to be honest it doesn’t matter at all about dps rankings as all instances minus high level fractals are stupid easy anyway.

That’s why DPS rankings matter… because you don’t wnat to be in easy boring content longer than you have to

But yeah, to be on topic, It’s Engi next I believe, possibly Ranger beating them if you’re talking like 5-10s burst damage but I’d think it’d still be close. Engi just doesn’t get much credit as it has one of the toughest rotations both to keep track of and to pull off with it’s acid bomb cancel and fast kit swapping all with unmatching cooldown timers that even change as you trait differently, which you may want to in various diffrent situations.

It’s a fun profession

heartless.6803:

Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that.

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

Actually warrior is below average and deals less damage then half of the classes in the game, it should be around rank 5 in terms of dps.
If it wasn’t for banners Warriors would have no place in dungeons

I honestly can’t understand why people can’t really read the description of necro’s skills. Many of them are fields and do put up some good stuff for the group. As for DPS – I have an ele specialized in dungeons with all the zerker gear with a couple celestials thrown in, all ready to put might up, and a necro that I do open world with. I love to take the necro in dungeons or fractals (when I go with guildies and they know I love my necro more than my ele) and the necro not only survives the best of all and is usually the last standing in case of mistakes (it happens) but also… she kills way faster than my ele even using the staff, even if my ele has all kinds of ascended goodies while the necro is in exotics with just an ascended staff. Most of my guild prefer my necro when we go do dungeons or fractals, but then we do them to have fun, not speed running.

If we are talking about pure DPS. Thief, Ele and Engineer have the highest. If we are talking about overall performence in dungeons, support skills are more important than pure dps which is why warriors and guardians are the 2 most wanted classes in pve content.

Warrior is hardly top 3 dps maybe unbuffed. But in theory only mesmer have weaker dps and if you could keep up 3 wardens which you cant unless whatever you are fighting is not fighting back it would be the weakest. Its not as easy to play as people make it out to be either you don’t have much tools for defense. High hp means nothing.

How is Ele sustained DPS high especially after FGS nerf? If they are might stacking, their DPS decreases even more as opposed to phalanx warrior which has a slightly less DPS output especially at lower level dungeons whilst easily maintaining 25 might stacks on all, not to mention Empower buff.

Ele’s DPS is only number 1 when it comes to structures or very large bosses.

As for thief DPS, only kicks in when enemy’s HP goes down to less than 50%. Before that very subpar DPS.

heartless.6803:

Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that.

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

Oh hey 2012 how you doin?

It’s probably engi under standard conditions or guardian with UC aegis up.

heartless.6803:

Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that.

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

I really wish people would stop spreading this nonsense so I can stop running into parties full of warriors. Necro dps is about on par with warrior, and definitely higher during lich form elite. So yeah, I would rather have a zerk necro in my party than a 2nd warrior.

heartless.6803:

*Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that. *

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

Lmfao

I’m cringing for you right now. Warrior has literally trash DPS, even with full ascended berserker everything with scholar and truffle steak + mighty or precision infusions.

They’ve been struggling for over half a year now. Time to wake up, people!

Khal Drogo.9631:

How is Ele sustained DPS high especially after FGS nerf? If they are might stacking, their DPS decreases even more as opposed to phalanx warrior which has a slightly less DPS output especially at lower level dungeons whilst easily maintaining 25 might stacks on all, not to mention Empower buff.

Ele’s DPS is only number 1 when it comes to structures or very large bosses.

As for thief DPS, only kicks in when enemy’s HP goes down to less than 50%. Before that very subpar DPS.

Actually a warrior has to sacrifice like 30% of their personal DPS for phalanx strength, it’s not as small as you’re making it out to be. It’s a good trait obviously but it’s not “slightly less damage output,” it’s a lot less.

And as for eles… a staff ele has the highest personal DPS in the game unless we’re talking single target DPS, which thief is slightly higher. This is just with lava font + fireball as well, not even referring to rotations involving meteor shower + ice bow.

If you consider the ele’s capability of an opening burst by prestacking to 25 might, using glyph of storms for 25 vuln, and using ice bow followed by meteor shower… it’s without question that eles are the best of all classes for damage.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Warrior in top 3…HAHAHHAHAHA

Im sorry warrior is 5th.

I suggest o take a look at warrior section. If it wasnt for banner bot warriors would be auto kicked from any speedgroup.

People like you are what is wrong with the dungeon scene.

Purple Miku.7032:

heartless.6803:

*Warrior is higher then both ele and thief. So there is that. *

After those 3 it’s a toss up, but I know which isn’t there. Necro’s cause their last.

Lmfao

I’m cringing for you right now. Warrior has literally trash DPS, even with full ascended berserker everything with scholar and truffle steak + mighty or precision infusions.

They’ve been struggling for over half a year now. Time to wake up, people!

Khal Drogo.9631:

How is Ele sustained DPS high especially after FGS nerf? If they are might stacking, their DPS decreases even more as opposed to phalanx warrior which has a slightly less DPS output especially at lower level dungeons whilst easily maintaining 25 might stacks on all, not to mention Empower buff.

Ele’s DPS is only number 1 when it comes to structures or very large bosses.

As for thief DPS, only kicks in when enemy’s HP goes down to less than 50%. Before that very subpar DPS.

Actually a staff ele has the highest personal DPS in the game unless we’re talking single target DPS, which thief is slightly higher. This is just with lava font + fireball as well, not even referring to rotations involving meteor shower + ice bow.

If you consider the ele’s capability of an opening burst by prestacking to 25 might, using glyph of storms for 25 vuln, and using ice bow followed by meteor shower… it’s without question that eles are the best of all classes for damage.

Warrior sustained DPS is at least top 3 if not best i think in general. Not every boss goes down in seconds with prestacked 15-20s of 25 might even with 25 stacks of vulnerability.

Meteor shower and ice bow – large AOE and dependent on immobile mobs. Staff ele is slow.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Warrior sustained DPS is at least top 3 if not best i think in general. Not every boss goes down in seconds with prestacked 15-20s of 25 might even with 25 stacks of vulnerability.

Meteor shower and ice bow – large AOE and dependent on immobile mobs. Staff ele is slow.

You’re 100% incorrect.

Go to the heart of the mists and test it on an indestructible golem for yourself. Literally every single form of an ele is higher sustained DPS than warrior, including:

Scepter+LH ele
D/F ele
Staff ele

You think staff ele is slow?

If you were to do absolutely nothing but autoattack and lava font with a staff ele it’d still be better DPS than warrior.

And these are the classes that have higher sustained DPS than warrior in a group setting assuming ideal conditions (fury + 25 might):

thief
elementalist
engineer
ranger

In a solo setting warrior pulls ahead of ranger, but now thanks to the might nerf thief is able to match warrior’s DPS in a solo setting even with no fury and no might. In group settings it’s been abundantly clear for roughly 2 years now that warrior wasn’t at the top level for personal sustained DPS. Where have you been?

EDIT: Also… you say meteor shower/ice bow are dependent on immobile mobs… erm… HUNDRED BLADES? If anything hundred blades is more dependent on that than either ice storm or meteor shower, considering its range is only 130 and is a 3.5s channeled skill.

Testing on an immobile golem? Not ideal for sustained DPS in real situations i think. But I would like to see the actual numbers for the optimized DPS for both if someone can provide the link. Even if ele pulls ahead in DPS it wont be that significant.

Back to might stacking, in order to maintain 25 stacks of might if the boss doesnt die in 20s, the ele has to rely on a second ele for continous might stacking, otherwise face a big loss in DPS.

In a group ideal setting, in theory MM necro has the highest DPS with a conjured weapon from the ele.

Necro actually can get some nice dmg, on par with ranger. Saying necro only relies on conditions to do dmg is rather stupid, sorry.
But, the point is mood, as raw dps isnt everything. Its about group utility and resulting grp dynamics and grp dmg.

I agree with:
Ele
Thief
Engineer
Warrior
DPS Guard
Necro/Ranger

Cant really place mesmer… maybe between warrior and guard? Not as high as warrior, but never really tested mesmer dps against dps of a dps guard.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Testing on an immobile golem? Not ideal for sustained DPS in real situations i think. But I would like to see the actual numbers for the optimized DPS for both if someone can provide the link. Even if ele pulls ahead in DPS it wont be that significant.

Back to might stacking, in order to maintain 25 stacks of might if the boss doesnt die in 20s, the ele has to rely on a second ele for continous might stacking, otherwise face a big loss in DPS.

In a group ideal setting, in theory MM necro has the highest DPS with a conjured weapon from the ele.

You want real examples instead of just a test golem? Sure.

I just linked a Lupicus kill that I did with staff ele in my previous post. It wasn’t even my best one, and my friend’s done a staff ele Lupi kill in ~3:20 and has a 3:36 uploaded on his youtube channel. It’s barely possible, if at all, to even do that in under 5 minutes on a warrior now due to the plethora of DPS nerfs it’s seen over the past year.

Warrior was roughly 30% better DPS prior to April 2014, when it’s seen tons of damage nerfs since then. During this time, it was only possible to kill Lupicus on a warrior in under 4 minutes with close to 0 mistakes and perfect RNG. The very best kill time back then was 4:08 on a warrior. Even back then, ele was miles ahead of warrior in DPS and not only because of FGS.

Purple Miku.7032:

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Warrior was roughly 30% better DPS prior to April 2014, when it’s seen tons of damage nerfs since then. During this time, it was only possible to kill Lupicus on a warrior in under 4 minutes with close to 0 mistakes and perfect RNG. The very best kill time back then was 4:08 on a warrior. Even back then, ele was miles ahead of warrior in DPS and not only because of FGS.

Because every boss is a giant sized boss in which meteor shower and ice bow’s every projectile will hit.

Solo Kholer for example and post a Youtube of your record time on ele pls.

So if warrior is suffering at the 5th place what does that say about numbers 6,7 and 8 wouldn’t they need to be brought up first or that 1-5 need toning down to that level?

Khal Drogo.9631:

Purple Miku.7032:

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Warrior was roughly 30% better DPS prior to April 2014, when it’s seen tons of damage nerfs since then. During this time, it was only possible to kill Lupicus on a warrior in under 4 minutes with close to 0 mistakes and perfect RNG. The very best kill time back then was 4:08 on a warrior. Even back then, ele was miles ahead of warrior in DPS and not only because of FGS.

Because every boss is a giant sized boss in which meteor shower and ice bow’s every projectile will hit.

Solo Kholer for example and post a Youtube of your record time on ele pls.

You really think the ability to hit Lupi multiple times with ice bow and meteor shower is shaving 1:30 off the kill? Really?

I basically just read from people who do extensive research on it. Sorry I’m mistaken. Base on what they said warrior are 5th now.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2gol18/dps_ranking/

This is their research on june. I think they said there is a patch on september which made a bit of change to it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bAcpwAdwB24CxK_Ziy8ygISUHCkQepLfRMh2_PtP52o/edit#gid=1883199869

Your personal dps depends more on the coordination of your group than your profession. Things like might, vulnerability, group wide damage buffs like spotter and banners count for a lot of it.

The best route you can take is to pick a profession you like, and learn how you can best coordinate your skills with other people. All professions have very good DPS if they spec for it.