Guild Wars 2

Hi All,

I was watching the lemon dye for the past few weeks and finally saved enough to buy and the price jumped from couple of listings at ~240 gold to just ONE listing at 950+ gold (2015/06/03).

If I wanted be shafted by rich people with anti competitive behaviour. I would have just stayed in real life.

Never coming back to this unfair game again.

Over a dye color? Kay bye.

Khandarus.2738:

Over a dye color? Kay bye.

lol i guess some of us are ok getting screwed over in real life n in game

yes if anyone want. i will give away my gold rather then enriching the rich.

Umm exactly what is forcing you to buy that dye? chances are it will be available again and the price will come back down.

Or you could just wait a while until the price has normalized.

EDIT: see it as the universe (or some market player) incentivising you to reinvest your gold and once the dye is back to normal price have some left over

I observe Cobolt Dye as well as Electro Pink and Electro Blue Dye. Since the announcement of removing them of the loot table of the black lion chest those dyes skyrocketed to ridiculous prices. Prices generally ‘jump’ be cause buyers buy the cheap ones and only the absurd priced ones remain. Usually you can see a restock of those a couple of days later. But ultimately they will remain extremely pricey as soon as supply goes down.

I think most people aren’t trying to manipulate it. It’s just panic buy and later sell it for more. Investment so to speak.

i fail to see how waiting it out enhance the game experience for the majority

Your right, throwing a temper tantrum and leaving is more enjoyable. It’s called having patience.

Also if what Proto said is true, the price increase has less to do with market manipulation but more with game changes. So be angry at anet and not the “big evil rich people”

That’s why it is wise to buy the dyes you want (even the ones you don’t want) soon after they appear in the BL dye kits. You might have to pay a bit more for some dyes but you will save even more on the few dyes that will go up immensely.

Having every dye is a really good QoL feature.

did u even read the graph? they brought out the remaining stock n listed 1 dye at 500% makeup. i wonder why anyone would defend such undefendable position

We all read the graph i guess (at least i did) and what exactly can you do about it this time? Nothing. Others told you to wait until it comes back, i gave you advice for next time.

If you truly want to quit, send me your gold, i promise to spend it on the next batch of unique dyes that anet puts in the game.

Maybe the OP is the one who bought the 2 dyes and relisted and is just trying to get someone to buy them! dundundun!

But yeah, same thing happened to the light shoulder skin Deathly Mantle. When there’s so few stock of something it almost always happens that the last one is bought up and relisted at an outrageously high price. But yeah it’s an unintended evil I guess from having limited time items.

Just put in a buy order at a price you think it’s worth to you and maybe someone will sell, most people have a number they will stop paying at even if there’s only 1 left.

just highlighting the fact that the 1% rich minority is making the game less enjoyable for the vast 99% majority. anet as game designer should make the playing field more…

L Step.8659:

Maybe the OP is the one who bought the 2 dyes and relisted and is just trying to get someone to buy them! dundundun!

But yeah, same thing happened to the light shoulder skin Deathly Mantle. When there’s so few stock of something it almost always happens that the last one is bought up and relisted at an outrageously high price. But yeah it’s an unintended evil I guess from having limited time items.

Just put in a buy order at a price you think it’s worth to you and maybe someone will sell, most people have a number they will stop paying at even if there’s only 1 left.

lol i just started. my character is 51 days old. u can check it.

believe.6514:

just highlighting the fact that the 1% rich minority is making the game less enjoyable for the vast 99% majority. anet as game designer should make the playing field more…

but how does not having that dye make the game less enjoyable? it gives you zero benefit in the game besides having your armor a different color and there’s other dyes that can get almost the same shade.

Why do these dyes cost so much to begin with? From what I know, they used to be very expensive even before the news of their retirement. I saw some pictures but can’t spot any special effect that would warrant such a price.

Tea.7025:

Why do these dyes cost so much to begin with? From what I know, they used to be very expensive even before the news of their retirement. I saw some pictures but can’t spot any special effect that would warrant such a price.

its just rarity.

Enko.6123:

believe.6514:

just highlighting the fact that the 1% rich minority is making the game less enjoyable for the vast 99% majority. anet as game designer should make the playing field more…

but how does not having that dye make the game less enjoyable? it gives you zero benefit in the game besides having your armor a different color and there’s other dyes that can get almost the same shade.

fashion wars is a huge part of the game i would say

also its not about me or the dye. its about rich people using unfair advantage to screw the little people

believe.6514:

Enko.6123:

believe.6514:

just highlighting the fact that the 1% rich minority is making the game less enjoyable for the vast 99% majority. anet as game designer should make the playing field more…

but how does not having that dye make the game less enjoyable? it gives you zero benefit in the game besides having your armor a different color and there’s other dyes that can get almost the same shade.

fashion wars is a huge part of the game i would say

also its not about me or the dye. its about rich people using unfair advantage to screw the little people

well was there something that prevented you from getting the dye earlier? we all started at the same point 1012 days ago. what’s stopping you from making money? besides a select few who find out about things in patches before the rest of us, we all have access to the same information.

complaining that you’re going to quit the game because of something you want is too expensive is a bit melodramatic. as i said earlier, just be patient, they’ll probably get released again in the future and you can just pick it up then.

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

It’s not right or wrong. You’re trying to apply a moral dilemma on something that doesn’t have one. This is basic supply and demand economics. Low supply with a demand will equal higher prices.

Any item they’re doing this on isn’t required to play the game and you can still accomplish anything in pve, pvp, or wvw without them. All of the high priced items do not give you any advantage or disadvantage in the game. You’re complaining about a cosmetic item. Max stat Exotics aren’t that expensive to get and BiS ascended will take a little bit of work but aren’t out of reach either.

If for some reason not having an Electro Lemon dye causes you to not play this game, then you need to do what you need to do to have gotten the dye if you made this decision about it. The smart thing to do would have been to buy it when it was still dropping and it was cheaper. If you wanted this dye this badly, why didn’t you buy it when it was cheaper?

As I said earlier also, there are a few dyes that are pretty close to that shade. Let me ask you this. If it wasn’t one of the exclusive dyes to begin with and was just another yellow dye that costs 1 silver, would you still want it this badly or are you applying an increased value on it specifically because it costs more?

I think if the OP wants to leave a game over something like a lemon dye, they couldn’t really have been too interested in the game to begin with.

Of all the over-reactions I’ve seen on the forums, and there have been a few, this, in my opinion, is the greatest.

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

You’re only screwed if you buy it. The seller is screwed if you don’t. Play the waiting game and try and get it when it’s back in circulation through normal means. He’s the one who’ll likely get burnt.

edit: what a cheesy look lol. I’ll be waiting for these next time around.

Enko.6123:

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

It’s not right or wrong. You’re trying to apply a moral dilemma on something that doesn’t have one. This is basic supply and demand economics. Low supply with a demand will equal higher prices.

Any item they’re doing this on isn’t required to play the game and you can still accomplish anything in pve, pvp, or wvw without them. All of the high priced items do not give you any advantage or disadvantage in the game. You’re complaining about a cosmetic item. Max stat Exotics aren’t that expensive to get and BiS ascended will take a little bit of work but aren’t out of reach either.

If for some reason not having an Electro Lemon dye causes you to not play this game, then you need to do what you need to do to have gotten the dye if you made this decision about it. The smart thing to do would have been to buy it when it was still dropping and it was cheaper. If you wanted this dye this badly, why didn’t you buy it when it was cheaper?

As I said earlier also, there are a few dyes that are pretty close to that shade. Let me ask you this. If it wasn’t one of the exclusive dyes to begin with and was just another yellow dye that costs 1 silver, would you still want it this badly or are you applying an increased value on it specifically because it costs more?

so been evil n greedy is ok?

believe.6514:

so been evil n greedy is ok?

Where in my post did you see me say that?

Why is this being evil? Are people who made gold in game somehow beating or hurting you? I again ask, what has stopped you from making some gold by either farming, playing dungeons, doing TP stuff, etc? We all are on equal footing in this game with the before mentioned exception of some people who find out about stuff before it actually gets announced. Those guys I dislike because its like insider trading. Other than those guys, the rest of us are all on equal footing. The fact that some people have more gold in this game because they worked for it doesn’t make them evil.

As for being greedy, yes people who manipulate the market are being greedy because they want more gold to be able to achieve whatever goals they have for their money. Again I ask, how is this hurting you?

BTW, Spring Ice Dye costs 3s 80c and is a fairly close approximation of Electro Lemon thought not as bright. This took me 30s in game to figure out.

Everytime ANet releases new sets of dyes I am so grateful I jump in and buy them off the TP when there’s a decent amount there. I remember electro peach and lime sitting at a measly 20g or less.. Now look at those and the rest in the same set. Crazy prices. Glint’s Isolation too is unbearably pricey.

Just buy them when they’re released as they’re generally quite cheap due to the influx of people selling or getting doubles from chests.

Tea.7025:

Why do these dyes cost so much to begin with? From what I know, they used to be very expensive even before the news of their retirement. I saw some pictures but can’t spot any special effect that would warrant such a price.

Rarity. Looking at the history, it seems the most that have ever been for sale at once was 89. When there are that few of them in existence, it doesn’t really matter if only a tiny number of players would want one in the first place, they’ll still be enough to drive the price up.

Zephyra.4709:

Everytime ANet releases new sets of dyes I am so grateful I jump in and buy them off the TP when there’s a decent amount there. I remember electro peach and lime sitting at a measly 20g or less.. Now look at those and the rest in the same set. Crazy prices. Glint’s Isolation too is unbearably pricey.

Just buy them when they’re released as they’re generally quite cheap due to the influx of people selling or getting doubles from chests.

This +1.

I usually buy them 7-9 days after they get released. The initial batch on day 1 are usually priced pretty high for all the people that want to have them immediately. By the time the second week rolls around, prices have gone down. After two or three weeks, people start getting worried about when Anet is going to remove them from the gem store so they start creeping back up again. Then they shoot up when they are released. Pretty much all of the dyes have followed this pattern.

With a 51 days old account I was no where near the point of leaving the game because I couldn’t get 1 dye. As far as I remember I barely had my first 80 done and I was no where near 240 gold (granted we’ve seen some inflation, but not to THAT extent).

You can keep blaming other players for using a supply shortage to their advantage (which in essence is due to anet), or you can do something about it.

Simplest solution was provided by Enko, get a dye very similar to the one you crave for 1/300th of the cost.

Then again, maybe you just wanted to vent about rich preying on the poor.

believe.6514:

Khandarus.2738:

Over a dye color? Kay bye.

lol i guess some of us are ok getting screwed over in real life n in game

yes if anyone want. i will give away my gold rather then enriching the rich.

Can’t believe no one said it yet but anyways… I can haz your stuff?

zenleto.6179:

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

You’re only screwed if you buy it. The seller is screwed if you don’t. Play the waiting game and try and get it when it’s back in circulation through normal means. He’s the one who’ll likely get burnt.

edit: what a cheesy look lol. I’ll be waiting for these next time around.

u have to go for the gold look see my example

Nash.2681:

believe.6514:

Khandarus.2738:

Over a dye color? Kay bye.

lol i guess some of us are ok getting screwed over in real life n in game

yes if anyone want. i will give away my gold rather then enriching the rich.

Can’t believe no one said it yet but anyways… I can haz your stuff?

Serenke got in there an hour ago. If I’d seen it sooner then I was going to do it.

PS – OP here’s a link to Dulfy’s dye gallery. It may help you choose another dye – http://dulfy.net/2013/12/24/gw2-dye-gallery/

im not even upset by the dye. the point is life is pretty unfair. im not playing a game thats as unfair as real life where the 1% rich deny the 99% majority resources n like a vampire squid suck the life blood out of us

believe.6514:

im not even upset by the dye. the point is life is pretty unfair. im not playing a game thats as unfair as real life where the 1% rich deny the 99% majority resources n like a vampire squid suck the life blood out of us

I’m going to ask you one more time. What’s preventing you from getting money in this game?

believe.6514:

zenleto.6179:

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

You’re only screwed if you buy it. The seller is screwed if you don’t. Play the waiting game and try and get it when it’s back in circulation through normal means. He’s the one who’ll likely get burnt.

edit: what a cheesy look lol. I’ll be waiting for these next time around.

u have to go for the gold look see my example

Yeah, that’s a set up that works nicely. I can see why you’re annoyed in missing out. Have you tried Flare?

Comparing RL rich vs poor and GW2 market manipulation is silly. Anything that has a finite amount will always fluctuate in price, also giving the option to market manipulate is part of the game or really any market. Not to mention spending 240g(original price) on a dye isn’t what I would consider poor.

Enko.6123:

believe.6514:

im not even upset by the dye. the point is life is pretty unfair. im not playing a game thats as unfair as real life where the 1% rich deny the 99% majority resources n like a vampire squid suck the life blood out of us

I’m going to ask you one more time. What’s preventing you from getting money in this game?

lol u mean get 950 gold n buy YOUR dye? lol not thanks.

i believe that anet as the game designer should make the game fairer. rather then create an artificial in game of haves and have nots. a little more wealth equality, a little more wealth redistribution n no more tp monopoly. it is not online communism. its just rewarding ur largest paying customer base

In any economy, real or virtual, this will happen. it’s not something that can be easily controlled or avoided.

BrooksP.4318:

Comparing RL rich vs poor and GW2 market manipulation is silly. Anything that has a finite amount will always fluctuate in price, also giving the option to market manipulate is part of the game or really any market. Not to mention spending 240g(original price) on a dye isn’t what I would consider poor.

what about now its 950 gold now. what do u think about that price? fair?

believe.6514:

Enko.6123:

believe.6514:

im not even upset by the dye. the point is life is pretty unfair. im not playing a game thats as unfair as real life where the 1% rich deny the 99% majority resources n like a vampire squid suck the life blood out of us

I’m going to ask you one more time. What’s preventing you from getting money in this game?

lol u mean get 950 gold n buy YOUR dye? lol not thanks.

i believe that anet as the game designer should make the game fairer. rather then create an artificial in game of haves and have nots. a little more wealth equality, a little more wealth redistribution n no more tp monopoly. it is not online communism. its just rewarding ur largest paying customer base

so basically you want Anet to give everything to everybody because that’s what would be fair.

We have all had the same opportunity to obtain those items. That’s fair. If you chose not to buy those items when they were cheaper, that’s kind of on you. Again, there’s nothing that’s stopping you from obtaining that gold yourself so you can buy it.

Might want to learn to read the graphs before you make claims like that.

This is an extremely rare item. There were 7 of them available a week ago, and they were slowly bought up over the course of the week — not all at once by a manipulator. Right now there is only one remaining, and it’s way overpriced for the market. Others will appear at lower prices again.

This isn’t manipulation, this is a dry market. The only reason the price skyrocketed is because someone listed one at a stupid high price. It’s not being manipulated, it’s just sold out.

believe.6514:

BrooksP.4318:

Comparing RL rich vs poor and GW2 market manipulation is silly. Anything that has a finite amount will always fluctuate in price, also giving the option to market manipulate is part of the game or really any market. Not to mention spending 240g(original price) on a dye isn’t what I would consider poor.

what about now its 950 gold now. what do u think about that price? fair?

Fair is about what people are willing to pay, if people don’t feel 950g is fair they won’t buy it and it should go down in price.

The problem that I have with your 1% vs 99% comparison is you are trying to compare apples and oranges. The issue with wealth inequality has to do with the wealthy controlling almost all aspects of wealth generation as well as consumption. This creates a caste system in which unless you are within that 1% the chances you getting there are slim because they control not only the cost but also the income ability.

Buying a luxury item is not the same as being controlled in a cycle of poor/stagnant income mixed with cost of living controlled from the same group.

ANet do not control market prices, the players do.

Anet will not and, most importantly, should not intervene in the player economy.

It’s called economics this happens and will happen in any game with a real life economy. If you prefer communism to capitalism play a game with less rng and…. less everything

According to your screen shot, you didn’t have the ~250 Gold to buy the dye to begin with. Either that, or you spent ~200 Gold on something else, after claiming you were going to quit the game. Of course, maybe you have lots of Gold squirreled away in the Guild bank….

What if no one ever buys that dye at 950 Gold? It just sits there for years? Who is being oppressed then? Perhaps, some poor sod invested his life savings for the listing fee, hoping to get rich, and then the other 99% of the players prevent him from making any money…..What a shame!

You never know what the true story is.

Once you give that gold away…..

Lost count of how many times I’m glad I didn’t do that, when I was gonna ‘quit’.

believe.6514:

im not talking about the dye or the 500% makeup or the fact there’s only 1 lemon dye in the whole game.

im asking u Enko is it right for the rich to monopolise the market n to screw the poor? do u think by doing this they are making the game more enjoyable for everyone?

How do you come to the conclusion that it was a super rich person that bought them all out and is now relisting them?

To me it looks, the last 10 dyes got bought 1 by 1. Could as well be that they got bought out by 10 different consumers like you, who just happened to have the gold on hand before you. And the new listings might be dyes from people that had them in their storage until now and not the ones that got bought out.

truth is the OP is correct.

The distribution of wealth makes rare items out of bounds for poor players.
thats just how the system works right now. Perhaps they should avoid rare items, instead opting for diffucult/time consuming/limited items. However they probably wont.

these gem store dye items are basically designed to create feelings of rarity, hence limited time offers.

Another common side effect of these buyouts/price spikes is that in 1 or 2 weeks, there will be more supply on the tp than 1 or 2 weeks ago.

Mostly at slighter higher prices though.

Wanze.8410:

How do you come to the conclusion that it was a super rich person that bought them all out and is now relisting them?

he brought it one by one over a period cause his very smart. the gap in buying is how he flush out any remaining stocks to become the sole item seller n in the process jack up the price 500%

tell me thats not ruining every’s fun just so he can profit