Guild Wars 2

Hello everyone,let me tell you a fun story.

About 2 months ago i started to flip the tp and i discovered a good way of farm,sadly this farm is basically controlled by a bot and i reported all the infos i could gather to the support,they told me that they will send my report to the supporters that deals with bots and i was happy,today i went again to flip the tp and hell if i’m wrong,this bot basically stood there overbidding me of 1c INSTA everytime for like (AND IM NOT EVEN JOKING,i was off from work and so angry i just stood near my pc for like 18 HOURS straight) 60-70 times in a day,the result is that i got carpal tunnel and the one that is using this bot goes out having fun with friends while the same bot does the whole work for him,now,i’m not angry with the bot itself because THEY EXISTS and PEACE,i’m so frustrated and disappointed to the WHOLE gw2 support community,as i said back there i reported this disgusting abuse of exploit 1 month ago and i did it today too with more proofs of it : the result is that the bot is,even in this EXACT moment neverending bidding and support gave me the SAME exact response i got 1 month ago.

Note : This is not a rage topic but it’s just a request of Help and advices.

What should i honestly do ? drop a game i paid with irl money (Core + exp) because it’s surrounded by bots and support basically at this point,let me just say it, DOES NOT care or should I just go ahead knowing that I could farm the tp (working 14 hours a day) if this squalid thing didn’t exist or at least someone cared and was nerfed to the root?

Tip: Don’t be cheap and don’t overbid by 1 copper. A good rule i use is to increase the bid by 10% of the item’s buy value (eg. 1g = increase by 10s, 100g = increase by 10g). In the end, you still pay less than instant buyout value.

While it is an issue, I’m sure they are working hard to resolve it.

If one player uses a ‘bot’, there is nothing to say others don’t as well. You can only report and move on. Bot bans usually come in waves.

Good luck.

Vacheron.9870:

Tip: Don’t be cheap and don’t overbid by 1 copper. A good rule i use is to increase the bid by 10% of the item’s buy value (eg. 1g = increase by 10s, 100g = increase by 10g). In the end, you still pay less than instant buyout value.

While it is an issue, I’m sure they are working hard to resolve it.

It’s not about being cheap bro,the thing is that even if(let’s say the item is around 25s order and 30s buyout each) i overbid by 4s he will still be there overbidding 1c,you get my point?

And how do you know it’s a bot and not just a series of other random players who just happened to post a bid right after you? The TP is global after all.

I have no proof that it’s not a bot, but you also don’t have enough evidence to say it is a bot.

All you can do is report instances you think are botters and let ANet look at the evidence. And realize that ANet bans botters in waves to reduce the chances of them figuring out what got them caught so that they make their macros better and avoid detection.

If you think you’re the only one flipping, boy you are wrong. Very wrong.

Seera.5916:

And how do you know it’s a bot and not just a series of other random players who just happened to post a bid right after you? The TP is global after all.

I have no proof that it’s not a bot, but you also don’t have enough evidence to say it is a bot.

All you can do is report instances you think are botters and let ANet look at the evidence. And realize that ANet bans botters in waves to reduce the chances of them figuring out what got them caught so that they make their macros better and avoid detection.

well,on 200 items all of 200 items for 18 hours straight got overbid 1c insta everytime

If it’s not a bot then it’s Jesus and i guess it really exists afterall.

Abelisk.4527:

If you think you’re the only one flipping, boy you are wrong. Very wrong.

i won’t even answer to your poor comment.

AuTomA.2459:

Seera.5916:

And how do you know it’s a bot and not just a series of other random players who just happened to post a bid right after you? The TP is global after all.

I have no proof that it’s not a bot, but you also don’t have enough evidence to say it is a bot.

All you can do is report instances you think are botters and let ANet look at the evidence. And realize that ANet bans botters in waves to reduce the chances of them figuring out what got them caught so that they make their macros better and avoid detection.

well,on 200 items all of 200 items for 18 hours straight got overbid 1c insta everytime

If it’s not a bot then it’s Jesus and i guess it really exists afterall.

considering anyone can access tp from anywere your batteling with the whole player base not just 1 person 200 item aint much if its a good flip source alot of other flippers have found it aswell.

Items bought off the TP shouldn’t be re-listable, I despise ‘flippers’ be they bots or not.

AuTomA.2459:

Abelisk.4527:

If you think you’re the only one flipping, boy you are wrong. Very wrong.

i won’t even answer to your poor comment.

You just did though?

I love the fact that you think that if you get outbid by 1c, it means it’s a bot. Also, even TP bots can’t bid on all the possible items in there, as it’s probably a predefined list of items they’re using.

I always bid 1 copper difference. Always. No idea if it works for me, lol.

sephiroth.4217:

AuTomA.2459:

Abelisk.4527:

If you think you’re the only one flipping, boy you are wrong. Very wrong.

i won’t even answer to your poor comment.

You just did though?

kitten , you beat me up to it.

AuTomA.2459:

Seera.5916:

And how do you know it’s a bot and not just a series of other random players who just happened to post a bid right after you? The TP is global after all.

I have no proof that it’s not a bot, but you also don’t have enough evidence to say it is a bot.

All you can do is report instances you think are botters and let ANet look at the evidence. And realize that ANet bans botters in waves to reduce the chances of them figuring out what got them caught so that they make their macros better and avoid detection.

well,on 200 items all of 200 items for 18 hours straight got overbid 1c insta everytime

If it’s not a bot then it’s Jesus and i guess it really exists afterall.

It wasn’t likely the same person on every item. But how many active players are there? How many are on at any given time? How many get those items at any particular time? How many are listing them at the lowest/highest sell/buy price at any given time? How many are the type to under/overbid by 1c?

It was most likely 200 different people listing their items for 1c less than you did and it just coincidentally happened to be right after you placed your bid.

AuTomA.2459:

Hello everyone,let me tell you a fun story.

About 2 months ago i started to flip the tp and i discovered a good way of farm,sadly this farm is basically controlled by a bot and i reported all the infos i could gather to the support,they told me that they will send my report to the supporters that deals with bots and i was happy,today i went again to flip the tp and hell if i’m wrong,this bot basically stood there overbidding me of 1c INSTA everytime for like (AND IM NOT EVEN JOKING,i was off from work and so angry i just stood near my pc for like 18 HOURS straight) 60-70 times in a day,the result is that i got carpal tunnel and the one that is using this bot goes out having fun with friends while the same bot does the whole work for him,now,i’m not angry with the bot itself because THEY EXISTS and PEACE,i’m so frustrated and disappointed to the WHOLE gw2 support community,as i said back there i reported this disgusting abuse of exploit 1 month ago and i did it today too with more proofs of it : the result is that the bot is,even in this EXACT moment neverending bidding and support gave me the SAME exact response i got 1 month ago.

Note : This is not a rage topic but it’s just a request of Help and advices.

What should i honestly do ? drop a game i paid with irl money (Core + exp) because it’s surrounded by bots and support basically at this point,let me just say it, DOES NOT care or should I just go ahead knowing that I could farm the tp (working 14 hours a day) if this squalid thing didn’t exist or at least someone cared and was nerfed to the root?

I see lots of bots in the world, too – like in the Hidden Garden. That said, I think that “tp flippers”, who add nothing to the game other than to increase costs to the community, should be treated in the same way that you say bots should be, and for much the same reasons.

Spook.5847:

AuTomA.2459:

Hello everyone,let me tell you a fun story.

About 2 months ago i started to flip the tp and i discovered a good way of farm,sadly this farm is basically controlled by a bot and i reported all the infos i could gather to the support,they told me that they will send my report to the supporters that deals with bots and i was happy,today i went again to flip the tp and hell if i’m wrong,this bot basically stood there overbidding me of 1c INSTA everytime for like (AND IM NOT EVEN JOKING,i was off from work and so angry i just stood near my pc for like 18 HOURS straight) 60-70 times in a day,the result is that i got carpal tunnel and the one that is using this bot goes out having fun with friends while the same bot does the whole work for him,now,i’m not angry with the bot itself because THEY EXISTS and PEACE,i’m so frustrated and disappointed to the WHOLE gw2 support community,as i said back there i reported this disgusting abuse of exploit 1 month ago and i did it today too with more proofs of it : the result is that the bot is,even in this EXACT moment neverending bidding and support gave me the SAME exact response i got 1 month ago.

Note : This is not a rage topic but it’s just a request of Help and advices.

What should i honestly do ? drop a game i paid with irl money (Core + exp) because it’s surrounded by bots and support basically at this point,let me just say it, DOES NOT care or should I just go ahead knowing that I could farm the tp (working 14 hours a day) if this squalid thing didn’t exist or at least someone cared and was nerfed to the root?

I see lots of bots in the world, too – like in the Hidden Garden. That said, I think that “tp flippers”, who add nothing to the game other than to increase costs to the community, should be treated in the same way that you say bots should be, and for much the same reasons.

Actually, TP flippers reduce costs to the community, not increase them. They take gold out of the market (That 20% list fee), and, through competing with each other, undercut overpriced sellers and overcut underpriced buyers, equalizing the value of items.

Spook.5847:

I see lots of bots in the world, too – like in the Hidden Garden. That said, I think that “tp flippers”, who add nothing to the game other than to increase costs to the community, should be treated in the same way that you say bots should be, and for much the same reasons.

The guys in hidden garden aren’t bots, they’re just people who have completed the Kudzu precursor collection, park a character there and gather the nodes daily then logoff.

I used to do that till the herb prices dropped so much it wasn’t worth my time.

I guess it can look suspicious if 10 people are all hitting those nodes but I can assure you pretty much nobody bots that patch.

TP flippers also decrease the cost to the community by reducing the buy/sell spreads on items making it more beneficial for buyers and sellers.

It’s pretty obvious you have too little understanding of GW2 since both your statements are totally wrong.

fishball.7204:

Spook.5847:

I see lots of bots in the world, too – like in the Hidden Garden. That said, I think that “tp flippers”, who add nothing to the game other than to increase costs to the community, should be treated in the same way that you say bots should be, and for much the same reasons.

The guys in hidden garden aren’t bots, they’re just people who have completed the Kudzu precursor collection, park a character there and gather the nodes daily then logoff.

I used to do that till the herb prices dropped so much it wasn’t worth my time.

I guess it can look suspicious if 10 people are all hitting those nodes but I can assure you pretty much nobody bots that patch.

TP flippers also decrease the cost to the community by reducing the buy/sell spreads on items making it more beneficial for buyers and sellers.

It’s pretty obvious you have too little understanding of GW2 since both your statements are totally wrong.

No, they are not. I am speaking to the known bots that I see almost daily when I log my toon in there for a few minutes at a time to hack at the elementals for a chance at a light essence for a guild fountain, or to move items around that the character parked there has in inventory. as I log in at unpredictable times over odd hours of the day, and observe the behaviors over time – and also attempt to strike up conversations – it is quite clear that they are botting.

As for your being an apologist to the TP leeches who manipulate the supply and prices; it is equally clear that without them, the market would more readily stabilize, and the prices of all things would come down as the market wharehoused more and more items, and regular sellers would continue to undercut each other. As it is, the regular folks buying from the TP are also paying the hidden costs that these folks create as part of their profit (to only themselves) from “flipping”.

This is not a concept that applies just to “GW2”, either, and it is amusing for you to say that I am ignorant of a game when I am talking about a destructive concept that GW2 simply permits in the form of a sort of a mirror of the world’s stock markets (albeit with more of a surcharge). Here, I’d like to see a gradually increasing punitive tax on brackets of numbers of trades within a short time period from single accounts (in both GW2, and the real markets). Of course, Anet’s heavy-handed, frequent overcorrections/disruptions of the market are also very annoying, but the only cure for that is hoping that they tank.

All you can do is report suspicious behavior. If it’s TP related you have to submit your evidences differently ofc because you don’t have a player you can actually report.

Then you let Anet deal with it.

As to the ‘suggestion’ of a gradually increasing tax for sales, where do you start to increase? When should it decay? Should it reset daily?
I personally think that’s a ludicrous idea.

You stated listing 200 or so items yourself, this is a global market shared between NA and EU. There was probably 200 people all bidding for these items.

I’ll also state I am one to overbid/undercut by 1c. Why? Because I am well entitled to get the absolute best price on what I am bidding for or selling. I did this on all T6 mats yesterday for about an hour to finish my Gift of Fortune.

ok let me get this as clear as possible,i ain’t coming from the moon and i know that are brazilions of players flipping the tp but let me ask you this :

I have 200 items listed on the tp,manually clicking them one by one and overbid by 1c,the moment i’m done(about 20 min) i cancel the previous bid,refresh the tp and INSTA i got overbid ON ALL THE 200 items by the same amount “11” for 18 hours Instantly,what are exactly the odds?i think it’s very weird since there are also other people bidding on the same items but with a different number.Anyway despite the troll and non constructive comments we will all have on forums because people love to troll other people thinking they’re superiors somehow i’ve reported the issue with proofs because in my opinion this is clearly an exploit used by a bot.

if u were listing items /bidding war for 18h i would think u are a bot too…

report the bot and move on….if its still there 1 month later report again, is on Anet hands , losing sanity and health , because a bot is the worse thing u can do

Try bidding the item for like 90% of the price for a second before cancelling, if the bots falls for it, buy all of the loot and make them lose money.
If that bot has some sort of fail safe against it well, i guess reporting and waiting is the only solution.

Warlyx.6732:

if u were listing items /bidding war for 18h i would think u are a bot too…

report the bot and move on….if its still there 1 month later report again, is on Anet hands , losing sanity and health , because a bot is the worse thing u can do

that’s exactly what happened with the huge difference that i took breaks like cigarettes,going out for 30 mins,escorting dog for businesses etc while he stood there,basically i reported the same issue 1 month ago and till now it’s the same happening

Raven.1524:

Try bidding the item for like 90% of the price for a second before cancelling, if the bots falls for it, buy all of the loot and make them lose money.
If that bot has some sort of fail safe against it well, i guess reporting and waiting is the only solution.

that is what i’m doing,i locked all the bids to a price you will never get profit from,actually u’ll lose tons of gold,i’m losing gold too at the moment but i don’t care and i can totally afford it,sadly not many people,still,,i want this bot gone cuz it’s totally unhealty

ps : Oh and of course he bid amount of 11 at that insane price on the whole 200 items

Nope,it’s not a bot ^^""""

Spook.5847:

As for your being an apologist to the TP leeches who manipulate the supply and prices; it is equally clear that without them, the market would more readily stabilize, and the prices of all things would come down as the market wharehoused more and more items, and regular sellers would continue to undercut each other. As it is, the regular folks buying from the TP are also paying the hidden costs that these folks create as part of their profit (to only themselves) from “flipping”.

Pretty funny how you call me an apologist to the TP leeches when you’re talking about 2 different things. You are complaining about speculators/hoarders/manipulators that PUSH PRICES UP by squeezing supply which is fine, a valid complaint.

However, you are blaming FLIPPERS who do not stock any items, they just buy order and relist it, taking profit in between by overcutting buy orders and undercutting sell orders, just like a regular player can do but may not want to due to convenience/time constraints etc.

Kinda sad really.

Kraggy.4169:

Items bought off the TP shouldn’t be re-listable, I despise ‘flippers’ be they bots or not.

This would be a hilarious addition to the game.

You definitely need to just report it and move on. There are bots in all games and GW2 is better than most at controlling them. There are also plenty of legit players who get mistaken for bots. TBH, I don’t think bots have much of an impact on most aspects of the game. Report ’em then forget ’em.

I don’t understand why you think ArenaNet has not removed the ‘bot’ you reported last month.

As stated above, if one person uses a ‘bot’, there is absolutely no reason to believe others don’t use said bot program, as well.

AuTomA.2459:

ok let me get this as clear as possible,i ain’t coming from the moon and i know that are brazilions of players flipping the tp but let me ask you this :

I have 200 items listed on the tp,manually clicking them one by one and overbid by 1c,the moment i’m done(about 20 min) i cancel the previous bid,refresh the tp and INSTA i got overbid ON ALL THE 200 items by the same amount “11” for 18 hours Instantly,what are exactly the odds?i think it’s very weird since there are also other people bidding on the same items but with a different number.Anyway despite the troll and non constructive comments we will all have on forums because people love to troll other people thinking they’re superiors somehow i’ve reported the issue with proofs because in my opinion this is clearly an exploit used by a bot.

So let me get this straight, let me know if any are wrong:

1. You list one item at Price X
2. You then repeat the process for 199 other items never bothering to look at the previous lists
3. It takes you 20 minutes to go from Item 1 to Item 200
4. You take periodic breaks from the computer.

And you think it’s a bot…

Are you selling exotic items? Or are these items that players typically will get over the course of killing things or gathering: kitten mats, salvageable items that you don’t salvage prior to sell, etc?

You think that no one else in the GLOBAL game gets any of the items that you’re selling within those 20 minutes and decides to sell them?

Spook.5847:

fishball.7204:

Spook.5847:

I see lots of bots in the world, too – like in the Hidden Garden. That said, I think that “tp flippers”, who add nothing to the game other than to increase costs to the community, should be treated in the same way that you say bots should be, and for much the same reasons.

The guys in hidden garden aren’t bots, they’re just people who have completed the Kudzu precursor collection, park a character there and gather the nodes daily then logoff.

I used to do that till the herb prices dropped so much it wasn’t worth my time.

I guess it can look suspicious if 10 people are all hitting those nodes but I can assure you pretty much nobody bots that patch.

TP flippers also decrease the cost to the community by reducing the buy/sell spreads on items making it more beneficial for buyers and sellers.

It’s pretty obvious you have too little understanding of GW2 since both your statements are totally wrong.

No, they are not. I am speaking to the known bots that I see almost daily when I log my toon in there for a few minutes at a time to hack at the elementals for a chance at a light essence for a guild fountain, or to move items around that the character parked there has in inventory. as I log in at unpredictable times over odd hours of the day, and observe the behaviors over time – and also attempt to strike up conversations – it is quite clear that they are botting.

As for your being an apologist to the TP leeches who manipulate the supply and prices; it is equally clear that without them, the market would more readily stabilize, and the prices of all things would come down as the market wharehoused more and more items, and regular sellers would continue to undercut each other. As it is, the regular folks buying from the TP are also paying the hidden costs that these folks create as part of their profit (to only themselves) from “flipping”.

This is not a concept that applies just to “GW2”, either, and it is amusing for you to say that I am ignorant of a game when I am talking about a destructive concept that GW2 simply permits in the form of a sort of a mirror of the world’s stock markets (albeit with more of a surcharge). Here, I’d like to see a gradually increasing punitive tax on brackets of numbers of trades within a short time period from single accounts (in both GW2, and the real markets). Of course, Anet’s heavy-handed, frequent overcorrections/disruptions of the market are also very annoying, but the only cure for that is hoping that they tank.

Just because they don’t respond doesn’t make them a bot. They may have their chat closed. They may not have the map channel you use active. They may not speak English. They may not wish to respond. They may have been in a deep conversation with someone else and just not registered that you were talking to them. Or saw your post if the conversation involved many people and it was going fast. They may have been AFK for a quick moment and not seen your comment and not known how long ago you sent it when they returned so they didn’t say anything.

Flippers perform a good service for the game. They help keep prices from reaching vendor level. They buy the low cost items up and then sell them at a higher price. This helps players who do not want items be able to sell them. If one flipper tries to raise the price too high, the other flippers will sell at a lower price, meaning the flipper out for more profit ends up losing money if he wants to sell his goods. This keeps goods from getting costly without interference from a change of supply or demand. It also helps keep the items on the market. This helps when players want to buy items.

Yes, or it was a bot. Innocent until proven guilty allows for a lot of guilt.
How difficult would it be to track the exact same bid response rate over an extended period of time?

Hasnt Anet stated in the past that they take their tim investigating bot reports so as to be able to nab entire networks of botters at once?

Ashen.2907:

Hasnt Anet stated in the past that they take their tim investigating bot reports so as to be able to nab entire networks of botters at once?

Not just anet, many do.
Companies just wait till they can get enough info on how the bot works so they can identify it easier, then ban them all at once.

Hence ban waves.

Tumult.2578:

Yes, or it was a bot. Innocent until proven guilty allows for a lot of guilt.
How difficult would it be to track the exact same bid response rate over an extended period of time?

THAT IS WHAT BUGS ME

just got back from work,relisted everything and right after 2 mins all the items got overbid by 1c by the same guy haunting me

I wanna die.

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

Haleydawn.3764:

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

what part of i get overbid by 1c as 11 offer number for hours over and over again on 200 items instantly you don’t get? is that so hard to understand?

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

what part of i get overbid by 1c as 11 offer number for hours over and over again on 200 items instantly you don’t get? is that so hard to understand?

Then report it and move on? I don’t quite understand the point your thread has gotten to. There’s actually no point to it, all people can tell you, and have done, is to report it and move on? If it is a bot, Anet should deal with it and put them in the next blanket ban.
You’d be surprised how quick people can over bid 1c on things they want, as I said, I basically nursed the TP for an hour or two, 1c overbidding for 200+ random t6 mats I needed.

Haleydawn.3764:

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

what part of i get overbid by 1c as 11 offer number for hours over and over again on 200 items instantly you don’t get? is that so hard to understand?

Then report it and move on? I don’t quite understand the point your thread has gotten to. There’s actually no point to it, all people can tell you, and have done, is to report it and move on?
You’d be surprised how quick people can over bid 1c on things they want, as I said, I basically nursed the TP for an hour or two, 1c overbidding for 200+ random t6 mats I needed.

The point was to get advices and thought about that,which i’m still having tbh.
There’s a huge difference between flipping the tp,zoning it or fast bidding on 20 items tracking them instead of tracking and instabid on 200.brother.

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

what part of i get overbid by 1c as 11 offer number for hours over and over again on 200 items instantly you don’t get? is that so hard to understand?

Then report it and move on? I don’t quite understand the point your thread has gotten to. There’s actually no point to it, all people can tell you, and have done, is to report it and move on?
You’d be surprised how quick people can over bid 1c on things they want, as I said, I basically nursed the TP for an hour or two, 1c overbidding for 200+ random t6 mats I needed.

The point was to get advices and thought about that,which i’m still having tbh.
There’s a huge difference between flipping the tp,zoning it or fast bidding on 20 items tracking them instead of tracking and instabid on 200.brother.

yes but you can have 200 people insta bid on 1 item each 40 on 5 or 20 on 10 each it dont have to be like you say 1 bot.
Just a bunch of regular people.

You want advice insta buy and you wont have this problem ever again.

OP, there’s no guarantee it’s the same person. There’s no guarantee it’s even a bot, especially given the fact you’re letting periods of hours go by between checking. If it was instantaneous (I.E., < 30 seconds), I’d be more inclined to believe you, but you have no idea what’s happening in the meantime.

You’re sitting on 12k gold in cash and are upset, currently making blind accusations in public that there might be someone outdoing you, and because you are being outdone, they’re automatically breaking the rules.

Honestly, that’s one of the most self-centered and unbelievable attitudes I think I’ve seen from anyone in this community.

Quite frankly, if you’re investing in highly-volatile items, odds are it’s many people with the same trend information. And odds are you’re investing in highly-volatile items, because you’re unwilling to share what you were even trying to buy and sell.

A friend of mine in real life solely plays online games to play the economies in them. He wrote a script to query sites like gw2shinies and compile the data into sets of spreadsheets tracking prices hour by hour a year at a time (and some longer term quarter by quarter data for each, too), and then another program to perform volatility reports and determine which items to invest in based on his own criteria from several years of experience. His “Play time” consisted of hours of checking prices repeatedly and ensuring sales were going well rather than “playing the game” if you will. As I understand it, he was an economic baron in EVE despite having never entered a ship. There are people who simply do minute-to-minute checks on their investments to make absolutely certain they will get the sale and not take losses.

Odds are you’re just getting out-done by numerous other people looking at the same highly-volatile item that have more time on their hands and better acquisition to the items themselves. And typically, if the item is volatile and a common item identifiable to many, when the item is both a Buy/sell within the same period, it indicates a massive price disparity and consistent demand with a price increase reflecting that. This will make most normal players recognize that they can get a better deal later if they think the inflation is flipping, or it will make more people panic buy/sell and thus people will be more prone to undercut you and buy the lower-cost items up quickly.

Linken.6345:

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

AuTomA.2459:

Haleydawn.3764:

So this is over a few hours? Ofc you’ll have more orders above you. I seriously doubt it’s one guy either.

Also, you overbid by 1-2c, but others that do it are, potentially bots? I don’t think this thread is holding much water anymore.

what part of i get overbid by 1c as 11 offer number for hours over and over again on 200 items instantly you don’t get? is that so hard to understand?

Then report it and move on? I don’t quite understand the point your thread has gotten to. There’s actually no point to it, all people can tell you, and have done, is to report it and move on?
You’d be surprised how quick people can over bid 1c on things they want, as I said, I basically nursed the TP for an hour or two, 1c overbidding for 200+ random t6 mats I needed.

The point was to get advices and thought about that,which i’m still having tbh.
There’s a huge difference between flipping the tp,zoning it or fast bidding on 20 items tracking them instead of tracking and instabid on 200.brother.

yes but you can have 200 people insta bid on 1 item each 40 on 5 or 20 on 10 each it dont have to be like you say 1 bot.
Just a bunch of regular people.

You want advice insta buy and you wont have this problem ever again.

let’s put it this way(i’m trying to get you on my point as much as i can)there’s this item that is refilled on tp VERY VERY VERY often,1)do i bid on this item a number of 11 and then refresh 100 times per day or 2)do i bid on this item 55-66-77-88 of them and just check it out when someone counterbids me?
Luckily this “farm” isn’t known that much and since i’m doing this for like 2-3 months i know almost every bidder that does it,if you check the image there’s the 250 ones,and i’m so kitten nerd that i wrote on a paper the timeline he goes on tp and bids studying his movements for 3 months.
Now : i do also realize,cuz i’m not stupid,i believe,that to make it as much believable as possible you gotta try it in first person,well i did for 3 months and i’m 100% positive it’s a bot.
About the Instabuy,that ain’t the way flip works m8,just saying uh

Who’s to say he hasn’t studied you all these months and is now beating you when you were beating him, or that he’s not sharing this oh-so-good-secret with ANYONE and therefore you do not know who it is?

This post is nonsense.

As far as insta-buying goes, it’s valid long-term to max out quantity of an item expected to spike in value; for example, with the introduction of the wardrobe, the mass-consumption of low-cost dyes, speculative flipping investments via the skin market, speculative investments based on drop table/game changes, new releases, zones, consumables, etc.

@Automa.

First of all.Yes their are tp bots and Goldsellers. They make through Flipping Gold and sell the Gold for RL Cash.

So consider an ACC costs 25-50 euro if it is a new and fresh one. BUT an lvl 80 empty character ACC costs on Black markets less then 10 Euro. Cause ppl dont like gw2 and want to get rid of their acc.

So thouse Flipper Gold sellers buy for 10 Euro an ACC. Flip on tp. Make Gold worth for 100 euro. Sell Gold for rl cash!

A Win situation of 90 Euro.

The account gets banned. They just buy another acc for 10 euro and make their profit of 100 Euro. The bot customisation doesnt change. Just the acc changes.

So ANEt can bann hundrets of ACCs. They will just buy another 200 acc and keep botting as long as they make profits. This is an extremly professional bussniuss we are talking about. And we as legal playerbase cant do anything against it. Oh we can, just dont buy GOLD from GOLDSELLERS. As long as they make their profit they will keep on.

I have talked to few Goldseller flippers. They do with just 1 bot 5000gold each day! When they sell thouse gold for rl cahs u can considere how profitable this is. And usually thouse are China sellers.

U just have to deal with it. ANd stop flipping as a legal flipper.

Second. Their are more then 7 Million GW2 accs. Lets considre their are 1 Million active players left. Lets considere 100.000 ppl play at same time at any time. And 1000 of them are flippers like u who flip 18h a day. U flip with 1000 ppl who look like u for profitable flip items. on that item.

So u are not just fighting against never ending bots. U are fighting against a reasanable number of other flippers.

GL in ur task.

Deaths.9165:

@Automa.

First of all.Yes their are tp bots and Goldsellers. They make through Flipping Gold and sell the Gold for RL Cash.

So consider an ACC costs 25-50 euro if it is a new and fresh one. BUT an lvl 80 empty character ACC costs on Black markets less then 10 Euro. Cause ppl dont like gw2 and want to get rid of their acc.

So thouse Flipper Gold sellers buy for 10 Euro an ACC. Flip on tp. Make Gold worth for 100 euro. Sell Gold for rl cash!

A Win situation of 90 Euro.

The account gets banned. They just buy another acc for 10 euro and make their profit of 100 Euro. The bot customisation doesnt change. Just the acc changes.

So ANEt can bann hundrets of ACCs. They will just buy another 200 acc and keep botting as long as they make profits.

U just have to deal with it. ANd stop flipping as a legal flipper.

Second. Their are more then 7 Million GW2 accs. Lets considre their are 1 Million active players left. Lets considere 100.000 ppl play at same time at any time. And 1000 of them are flippers like u who flip 18h a day. U flip with 1000 ppl who look like u for profitable flip items. on that item.

So u are not just fighting against never ending bots. U are fighting against a reasanable number of other flippers.

GL in ur task.

Indeed,and so far i still managed to make some profit out of it,thanks for the comment bro,i loved ur reply

I’m confused. Why would the ‘bot’ only place an order for 11 of the item, when you placed a bid for 64?

If someone(s) sell at buy price 100 of said item, you only lose the bid on 11 and get your 64.

Kind of a dumb bot, I guess.

Deaths.9165:

@Automa.

First of all.Yes their are tp bots and Goldsellers. They make through Flipping Gold and sell the Gold for RL Cash.

So consider an ACC costs 25-50 euro if it is a new and fresh one. BUT an lvl 80 empty character ACC costs on Black markets less then 10 Euro. Cause ppl dont like gw2 and want to get rid of their acc.

So thouse Flipper Gold sellers buy for 10 Euro an ACC. Flip on tp. Make Gold worth for 100 euro. Sell Gold for rl cash!

A Win situation of 90 Euro.

The account gets banned. They just buy another acc for 10 euro and make their profit of 100 Euro. The bot customisation doesnt change. Just the acc changes.

So ANEt can bann hundrets of ACCs. They will just buy another 200 acc and keep botting as long as they make profits. This is an extremly professional bussniuss we are talking about. And we as legal playerbase cant do anything against it. Oh we can, just dont buy GOLD from GOLDSELLERS. As long as they make their profit they will keep on.

I have talked to few Goldseller flippers. They do with just 1 bot 5000gold each day! When they sell thouse gold for rl cahs u can considere how profitable this is. And usually thouse are China sellers.

U just have to deal with it. ANd stop flipping as a legal flipper.

Second. Their are more then 7 Million GW2 accs. Lets considre their are 1 Million active players left. Lets considere 100.000 ppl play at same time at any time. And 1000 of them are flippers like u who flip 18h a day. U flip with 1000 ppl who look like u for profitable flip items. on that item.

So u are not just fighting against never ending bots. U are fighting against a reasanable number of other flippers.

GL in ur task.

Exactly so.

And, this is also done with just about every commodity for the same end (albeit not for just bots, though), thus inflating the end prices to regular consumers. No sane person can argue that a commodity passing through more and more hands gets cheaper as a result (assuming no further refinement – using mats to craft something should of course increase their value – something that isn’t always true in GW2). large players also throttle supply, just like Opec does.

The only sure way to control it is to “nerf” the ability to manipulate the market, or to at least make doing so on any scale of consequence so costly that it becomes self-defeating.

Spook.5847:

Deaths.9165:

@Automa.

First of all.Yes their are tp bots and Goldsellers. They make through Flipping Gold and sell the Gold for RL Cash.

So consider an ACC costs 25-50 euro if it is a new and fresh one. BUT an lvl 80 empty character ACC costs on Black markets less then 10 Euro. Cause ppl dont like gw2 and want to get rid of their acc.

So thouse Flipper Gold sellers buy for 10 Euro an ACC. Flip on tp. Make Gold worth for 100 euro. Sell Gold for rl cash!

A Win situation of 90 Euro.

The account gets banned. They just buy another acc for 10 euro and make their profit of 100 Euro. The bot customisation doesnt change. Just the acc changes.

So ANEt can bann hundrets of ACCs. They will just buy another 200 acc and keep botting as long as they make profits. This is an extremly professional bussniuss we are talking about. And we as legal playerbase cant do anything against it. Oh we can, just dont buy GOLD from GOLDSELLERS. As long as they make their profit they will keep on.

I have talked to few Goldseller flippers. They do with just 1 bot 5000gold each day! When they sell thouse gold for rl cahs u can considere how profitable this is. And usually thouse are China sellers.

U just have to deal with it. ANd stop flipping as a legal flipper.

Second. Their are more then 7 Million GW2 accs. Lets considre their are 1 Million active players left. Lets considere 100.000 ppl play at same time at any time. And 1000 of them are flippers like u who flip 18h a day. U flip with 1000 ppl who look like u for profitable flip items. on that item.

So u are not just fighting against never ending bots. U are fighting against a reasanable number of other flippers.

GL in ur task.

Exactly so.

And, this is also done with just about every commodity for the same end (albeit not for just bots, though), thus inflating the end prices to regular consumers. No sane person can argue that a commodity passing through more and more hands gets cheaper as a result (assuming no further refinement – using mats to craft something should of course increase their value – something that isn’t always true in GW2). large players also throttle supply, just like Opec does.

The only sure way to control it is to “nerf” the ability to manipulate the market, or to at least make doing so on any scale of consequence so costly that it becomes self-defeating.

It does in the sense that it’s a massive gold sink such that income injected into the game via things like PvE and the likes has more inherent value to players receiving the rewards over time. Boosting the price of commodities ends up making highly-valuable items more achievable for non-TP barons since they can sell those commodities at higher price points in a market with better-curbed inflation.

Granted, there’s no way it’ll keep up with the injected gold, and it does hurt newer players, but the argument can be made that it can help people, although this is only really true for the sellers’ commodity market.