Guild Wars 2

ANET can we please take a look at the burning damage? This condi alone is stupidly broken…It’s seriously not fun to play against and I would assume MANY others have the same complaint about it. People are using this exploit. I would strongly consider looking at the scaling of burning. I normally wouldn’t complain about it, but in hindsight when you fight 3-4 burn build guardians per PvP match, it gets a bit ridiculous.

People using a condition in game does not make it an exploit.

It is an exploit, its damage is extremely HIGH. Why you think ANET fixed the guardian circle exploit? Something that stupid strong should be looked at.

NEAUXLA.1527:

It is an exploit, its damage is extremely HIGH. Why you think ANET fixed the guardian circle exploit? Something that stupid strong should be looked at.

Are you seriously saying because the damage is, at the level it’s been re-tuned to be at is an exploit ?

We all agree that burning currently is strong, but something being strong doesnt make it an exploit….What’s hard to understand about that ?

Well, bring some CONDITION CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ariurotl.3718:

Well, bring some CONDITION CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Resistance would be even better.

You see condition=>you cleanse it.Problem resolved.Every good build have some quality/kind:1)Damage(direct/condi/mix) 2)Getting dps boons 2)Survive ability :a)condition cleanse b)breakstuns c)dodges d)Boons for survive etc. So when you creating a build=>you balance all this things and many others for you role .All what you need for winning condi guard=>its remove conditions 1-2 times when he try to burst you down.P.s.Its not even close to be OP.

Just an FYI for the OP.

Over-tuned and Exploit are not synonymous.

NEAUXLA.1527:

It is an exploit, its damage is extremely HIGH. Why you think ANET fixed the guardian circle exploit? Something that stupid strong should be looked at.

It’s not an exploit. An exploit is when the players figure out a way to break the game by using a mechanic ina one way the devs did not intend. Burning is clearly a bit too strong right now, but that doesn’t make applying it with skills and traita intended to apply burning an “exploit.”

Ariurotl.3718:

Well, bring some CONDITION CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What if I told you that most condi-cleanses are on a 15+sec cooldown, while burning is easily reapplied by tons of aoe-fields and passive procs.

And what if I also told you that most condi-cleanses only clean one or two conditions, while burning is easily covered up by longlasting cripples, bleeds, poisons and vulnerabilities, which are widely accessible on most classes.

Burning is ridiculous to the point that 4/5 death breakdowns have burning at the top with anything between 40-60k damage, followed by something else with 5k.

Then by the same logic.. We can say all the high DPS you’ve been doing is an exploit and should be looked at/nerfed.
Just cos something does high damage on purpose doesnt make it an exploit… Take a condi cleanse.. if you’re in pvp which is my guess… a condi cleanse – at least one is a must.

While Burning is a bit OP right now, I wouldn’t call it an exploit. Hopefully either its damage is nerfed or access to burning by Guards, ele, and other classes is reduced (along with bleeds being buffed)

But if i put condition cleanse on my bars, i can’t run an all-offense build!

Yeah burning is definitely too strong right now. I’m pretty dissapointed that ANet hasn’t fixed it yet, but I’m being optimistic and hoping that they are incredibly busy making the expansion amazing, rather than just ignoring balance in pvp/wvw

There’s a pill for that.

How is burning too strong? Most of the skills that apply burning are all-or-nothing skills on a high cooldown. They don’t deal much more damage than Power builds.

The real issue is that Bleed is undertuned.

Kain Francois.4328:

How is burning too strong? Most of the skills that apply burning are all-or-nothing skills on a high cooldown. They don’t deal much more damage than Power builds.

The real issue is that Bleed is undertuned.

Bleeding is in a great spot.

Burning is just slightly above where it should be. They could easily change the formula from (0.155 * Condition Damage) + 131.5 to (0.125 * Condition Damage) + 131.5

This would bring it back in line to being slightly better than where it was prior to the 23rd trait rework patch.

Ariurotl.3718:

Well, bring some CONDITION CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well no kitten genius, you don’t think I have that already?? Please tell me you are kidding.

Ashen.2907:

Just an FYI for the OP.

Over-tuned and Exploit are not synonymous.

So you are saying that the guardian circles at the time of revamp were not an exploit? Please explain your logic here.

Are you seriously saying because the damage is, at the level it’s been re-tuned to be at is an exploit ?

We all agree that burning currently is strong, but something being strong doesnt make it an exploit….What’s hard to understand about that ?

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Again, so you are saying the guardian circles at the time of revamp was not an exploit? Please show your logic here. I’m simply just calling it what it is.

This thread has zero compelling arguments to change anything, including the flood of exclamation points.

NEAUXLA.1527:

Again, so you are saying the guardian circles at the time of revamp was not an exploit? Please show your logic here. I’m simply just calling it what it is.

I have absolutely no words for you sir or mam.

There is a difference between a condition being strong and a Trait stacking with itself to infinity.

If you cannot see that, then please never give feedback about balance again.

Exploits exist; therefore, this thing i don’t like is an exploit

Try Generosity Sigils when you see the enemy team is loaded on Guards (it can be worth it for the screams – though i do facepalm when it sends vuln…).

Coulter.2315:

Try Generosity Sigils when you see the enemy team is loaded on Guards (it can be worth it for the screams – though i do facepalm when it sends vuln…).

And now I really wish enemy players characters screamed when set on fire in PvP/WvW….

Ykfox.3825:

Coulter.2315:

Try Generosity Sigils when you see the enemy team is loaded on Guards (it can be worth it for the screams – though i do facepalm when it sends vuln…).

And now I really wish enemy players characters screamed when set on fire in PvP/WvW….

Burning. Burning! BURNING!!!

NEAUXLA.1527:

ANET can we please take a look at the burning damage? This condi alone is stupidly broken…It’s seriously not fun to play against and I would assume MANY others have the same complaint about it. People are using this exploit. I would strongly consider looking at the scaling of burning. I normally wouldn’t complain about it, but in hindsight when you fight 3-4 burn build guardians per PvP match, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Anet puts a new in game mechanic that sets up stacking for conditions which you some how came to the conclusion of it being an exploit.

I like the way you think. We need more people like you.

ex·ploit

to use (someone or something) in a way that helps you unfairly

me·chan·ics

The way in which something is done or operated; the practicalities or details of something.

But on the serious side. Its does a lot of dmg but at the end of the day its a single condi that you can remove ALL stacks off with a single condi cleanse.

I wish you a great day my good sir or lady.

TexZero.7910:

Burning is just slightly above where it should be. They could easily change the formula from (0.155 * Condition Damage) + 131.5 to (0.125 * Condition Damage) + 131.5

This would bring it back in line to being slightly better than where it was prior to the 23rd trait rework patch.

Give Burning more baseline so Power builds get more free damage output? Meanwhile, Condi builds get less for the points they invest That’s just doesn’t seem to be the right thing to due with Burning. The condition itself needs less baseline and a touch more on the scaling modifier. Might needs a nerfing again which will help with less Burning output in general. For Guardians, they actually need more active Condi output on weapons skills and less on the block traits. Ele’s need duration reduction, especially on the signet! On Mesmer, burning needs to be completely removed. The rest of the professions aren’t too bad with burning right now.

DeWolfe.2174:

TexZero.7910:

Burning is just slightly above where it should be. They could easily change the formula from (0.155 * Condition Damage) + 131.5 to (0.125 * Condition Damage) + 131.5

This would bring it back in line to being slightly better than where it was prior to the 23rd trait rework patch.

Give Burning more baseline so Power builds get more free damage output? Meanwhile, Condi builds get less for the points they invest ? That’s just doesn’t seem to be the right thing to due with Burning. The condition itself needs less baseline and a touch more on the scaling modifier. Might needs a nerfing again which will help with less Burning output in general. For Guardians, they actually need more active Condi output on weapons skills and less on the block traits. Ele’s need duration reduction, especially on the signet! On Mesmer, burning needs to be completely removed. The rest of the professions aren’t too bad with burning right now.

I tend to disagree.

The scaling coefficient itself is part of the problem being that it is really just absurdly high, compare it to any other condition and you’ll notice why. Toning that down would be the first step in the process. Then you can hit the per-case basis by toning down the duration as needed. That doesn’t actually help as much for power builds as you believe.

Might itself is fine. The sources in which you gain might may need to be looked at in a PvE sense but otherwise might isn’t in dire need of a numerical nerf.

Guardian can only use burning natively…

If you have a little condi cleanse you do not have any problems…

Saying burning is OP is very simple… trying to figure out what to do to counter as well… most stacking burning is in fields.

Just get out of the circles… DONE.

I have more problems with engineers, necro’s and mesmers stacking 4-8 conditons in a short window of time causing removal to be difficult.

TexZero.7910:

DeWolfe.2174:

TexZero.7910:

Burning is just slightly above where it should be. They could easily change the formula from (0.155 * Condition Damage) + 131.5 to (0.125 * Condition Damage) + 131.5

This would bring it back in line to being slightly better than where it was prior to the 23rd trait rework patch.

Give Burning more baseline so Power builds get more free damage output? Meanwhile, Condi builds get less for the points they invest ? That’s just doesn’t seem to be the right thing to due with Burning. The condition itself needs less baseline and a touch more on the scaling modifier. Might needs a nerfing again which will help with less Burning output in general. For Guardians, they actually need more active Condi output on weapons skills and less on the block traits. Ele’s need duration reduction, especially on the signet! On Mesmer, burning needs to be completely removed. The rest of the professions aren’t too bad with burning right now.

I tend to disagree.

The scaling coefficient itself is part of the problem being that it is really just absurdly high, compare it to any other condition and you’ll notice why. Toning that down would be the first step in the process. Then you can hit the per-case basis by toning down the duration as needed. That doesn’t actually help as much for power builds as you believe.

Might itself is fine. The sources in which you gain might may need to be looked at in a PvE sense but otherwise might isn’t in dire need of a numerical nerf.

a blanket -25% scaling and +33% duration for burning wouldn’t be out of line, i don’t think. That keeps the overall damage similar/same but spreads it out over longer (also making it more vulnerable to cleanse, incidentally)

I don’t think the bleed scaling nerf that came with the stack cap removal was warranted. If anything i think bleed should be boosted up a hair – and sigil of earth needs a revisti, right now its only purpose is to enable power builds that can trait for +% damage vs bleeding targets.

Please remember that guardians are not the only ones who use burning. My ranger can’t outburn a guard but if they took that burn damage away from me I would be seriously disappointed. And I played like this before condis got buffed (not in dungeons, don’t worry).

Change cooldowns on guards or whatever but don’t nerf burning globally, please.

Garrisyl.7402:

Ariurotl.3718:

Well, bring some CONDITION CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What if I told you that most condi-cleanses are on a 15+sec cooldown, while burning is easily reapplied by tons of aoe-fields and passive procs.

And what if I also told you that most condi-cleanses only clean one or two conditions, while burning is easily covered up by longlasting cripples, bleeds, poisons and vulnerabilities, which are widely accessible on most classes.

Burning is ridiculous to the point that 4/5 death breakdowns have burning at the top with anything between 40-60k damage, followed by something else with 5k.

OMG this, over 9000+ times this!

So many people are like, “Bring Condition Cleanses”, those skills/traits don’t help much past clearing the initial wave of conditions, and most of the time only clear a few of the low key ones, leaving the stronger ones like burning still on…