Im not one to complain much BUT can you pleeeeeease chill out on the movement reducing stuff/conditions? I cant take it anymore, have to at least ask. EVERY tiny little thing impaires you to snail speed to the point of insanity. High damage hits? yes, go ahead and snail me. But from absolutely everything seems ridiculous. (And yes im very aware things that reduce the amount of time your immobilized so please save the smartie-pants comments… ty
If you have condi clears, then you must be complaining more about in-combat movement. Once anything hits you, you slow down (but not to a crawl). You should consider playing a Thief of Engi for the stealth. If the enemy can’t see you, they can’t hit or CC you.
Its slow enough to feel like a crawl in my opinion. Theres no suggestion or advice that solves the problem im referring to. Only a game change from anet would solve it.
On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
Came into the thread expecting something totally different xD.
*Impending describes something about to happen.
*Impeding is to slow or delay
*Impairing is to weaken or damage
I do agree there is a ton of movement impairing/impeding attacks. Just get some CC removal and you can deal with it when it really counts. Though I will admit it’s pretty annoying when you are trying to just move from point to point.
Yea it is so annoying! I wish there should be a “Skip to the end and compleate it all” button, becouse it is so frustraiting going from point A to B and I have to fight, stop and talk or other stupid things that are just boring.
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Nice to see some support on this thanks for the replies. Its just wayyyyy overkill plain and simple. I was thinking of the word impediment so grammar error. Fixed that.
One thing i see people are missing here is even after you remove all conditions, you are STILL stuck moving super slow for the same amount of time. This has mostly to do with just traveling, but still even in combat its overkilled i think.
Agreed. The excessive levels of CC in this game is frustrating at times. A little here and there is okay, but when I’m getting knocked down every 2 seconds because I have run out of dodges, or I have 15 seconds of immobilize and my condi-removal is still recharging, it gets to be very frustrating feeling so helpless when exploring maps.
If I really had any desire to experience bondage, I would prefer to seek that elsewhere.
Yea it is so annoying! I wish there should be a “Skip to the end and compleate it all” button, becouse it is so frustraiting going from point A to B and I have to fight, stop and talk or other stupid things that are just boring.
/s
Wise up and realize this is a specific issue, not a generalized one that deserves a toddlers response like this. Troll somewhere else.
It may have been a bit immature way of response but still for me it was a way to express myself to why I do not agree with you.
The sloweffect is a good way to keep players stay and fight at some places and to make it a little risky to run through alot of mobs. You are (in my opinion) not supposed to just run through a battlefield from destination A to B.
While fighting I mostly always plan to keep having sprint enabled.
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Yea it is so annoying! I wish there should be a “Skip to the end and compleate it all” button, becouse it is so frustraiting going from point A to B and I have to fight, stop and talk or other stupid things that are just boring.
/s
Wise up and realize this is a specific issue, not a generalized one that deserves a toddlers response like this. Troll somewhere else.
It may have been a bit immature way of response but still for me it was a way to express myself to why I do not agree with you.
The sloweffect is a good way to keep players stay and fight at some places and to make it a little risky to run through alot of mobs. You are (in my opinion) not supposed to just run through a battlefield from destination A to B.
While fighting I mostly always plan to keep having sprint enabled.
Exactly. What is exciting about a dangerous area if it isn’t actually dangerous to travel through it? imo most areas should be MORE challenging, not less.
get a thief with at least trickery and DrD with dash + sb, take channeled vigor for heal and shadowstep+ signet of agility and signet of shadows
Enjoy flying over the maps.
The op is not talking about CC skills but about the in-combat speed reduction. Which is working as intended and is fine as it is. Nothing to change here
Its slow enough to feel like a crawl in my opinion. Theres no suggestion or advice that solves the problem im referring to. Only a game change from anet would solve it.
I beg to differ. You could kill the drake that bit your leg. No longer in combat.
Exactly. What is exciting about a dangerous area if it isn’t actually dangerous to travel through it? imo most areas should be MORE challenging, not less.
Do the constant movement impairing effects actually make it more dangerous to travel, or do they just make it take longer?
I’ve never had a problem just running through an area and ignoring the mobs that attack. If I get crippled or chilled, pop a CC remover and keep going. If I get hit by another befor it’s off CD I just ignore it and keep running any way. I have been able to get around like this without much trouble, so I really don’t feel that it makes the area feel more “dangerous”.
I think t’s part of making condi builds viable. I have a cripple removal on evade on my thief and I dont’ have much trouble with them while walking around maps.
Getting knicked from a salamander drake for 5 points of health trying to run past it shouldnt make me run slow for 10-15 seconds
Combat speed is limited to allow fights to remain challenging, otherwise people would just kite foes by running faster. So don’t look at it as if you’re being slowed down in combat — ANet is allowing you to speed up when you’re out of combat.
The alternative would be to slow down out of combat speed and I don’t think anyone wants that.
What I do to avoid being slowed down: I don’t run close enough to Salamander Drakes that they can put me into combat when they sneeze and/or I dodge their well-telegraphed attacks.
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See the confusion here is that i really dont want to change the combat system. I’ll also say again that no matter what you do to remove conditions on yourself you are still stuck moving slow. All im saying is that it should be reduced somehow. Few ideas i had was maybe have it triggered by how much health you lose from a hit like if you lose say 10-20%, THEN have your movement impaired. Another one could be if you heal yourself to 100% health it lets you move normally again right away. Last thing is half the time you dont really have the option to run around enemies.
On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
So much kittening this. There’s a ton of other status effects besides Disable. Remember to use them, ANet.
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On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
So much kittening this. There’s a ton of other status effects besides Disable. Remember to use them, ANet.
Much the same was said about poison in Orr before HoT. o.O
The op is not talking about CC skills but about the in-combat speed reduction. Which is working as intended and is fine as it is. Nothing to change here
Well for those the solution would be “don’t get hit” …
The op is not talking about CC skills but about the in-combat speed reduction. Which is working as intended and is fine as it is. Nothing to change here
Well for those the solution would be “don’t get hit” …
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a mordrem.
The combat speed debuff is there to add tension to areas and make them feel more dangerous. Personally I think it should be changed to only take affect under certain circumstances:
1) If the player uses a combat skill that targets a creature.
2) If the player is hit for a certain percentage of their hit points.
3) If the player is hit with a specific lockdown skill.
So a drake hitting you for 5 HP wouldn’t trip these conditions unless you turn around and hit them back. This is basically a QoL thing but would make a huge difference in traversing areas.
1. superspeed. Let’s you run at non combat speed simply because it’s speed buff is so strong it can cap even when in combat.
2. leaps/teleports – the faster you build big distance between the mob that’s fighting you and yourself, the faster you’ll break the aggro range and get out of combat to regain your movement speed. Leaps and telports don’t give a kitten about being in combat when it comes to their speed and range. have those and your nightmare will end much faster.
The combat speed debuff is there to add tension to areas and make them feel more dangerous. Personally I think it should be changed to only take affect under certain circumstances:
1) If the player uses a combat skill that targets a creature.
2) If the player is hit for a certain percentage of their hit points.
3) If the player is hit with a specific lockdown skill.
So a drake hitting you for 5 HP wouldn’t trip these conditions unless you turn around and hit them back. This is basically a QoL thing but would make a huge difference in traversing areas.
This is quite annoying. Sometimes, you just wanna go from place A to place B, but you are constantly hindered. It really takes away from the enjoyment of the game.
See the confusion here is that i really dont want to change the combat system. I’ll also say again that no matter what you do to remove conditions on yourself you are still stuck moving slow. All im saying is that it should be reduced somehow. Few ideas i had was maybe have it triggered by how much health you lose from a hit like if you lose say 10-20%, THEN have your movement impaired. Another one could be if you heal yourself to 100% health it lets you move normally again right away. Last thing is half the time you dont really have the option to run around enemies.
I think the the point (or at least one reason for it) of in combat slowdown acting as it does is to prevent/discourage what you’re wanting. It makes running through enemies less viable and encourages you to fight them instead. The game wants you to engage the enemies as you come across them, not have an aggro train chasing you around the map.
This was actually a big problem back around launch, when most pve maps were heavily populated. So much of one that Anet actually changed the AI behavior of mobs that were chasing fleeing players, making them ignore other players (unless directly engaged) while returning to their normal positions. Getting killed because some inconsiderate dolt aggro-trained a horde onto your face still happened, but just imagine how more often (and with larger hordes) it would have been without the attempts to mitigate it.
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2. leaps/teleports – the faster you build big distance between the mob that’s fighting you and yourself, the faster you’ll break the aggro range and get out of combat to regain your movement speed. Leaps and telports don’t give a kitten about being in combat when it comes to their speed and range. have those and your nightmare will end much faster.
Depends on the teleport. The game is really stupid about non-damaging conditions on ambient creatures. -_-
I guess the easiest fix would just be to reduce the amount of time it takes to be considered out of combat. I like it all the way it is really but being slowed for upwards of 10 seconds from a heel nip just gets frustrating. If it didnt effect so much of the gameplay i wouldnt even be bothered by it. I think a good long 4 seconds would be fair. That way you really dont change much of as it is.
It’s not a matter of how much time it takes to get out of combat, but rather one of how far the enemies will chase and how much distance you need to put between you to break aggro. Simply continuing to run usually leaves the enemy following for a long time, especially if it has increased movement speed or movement skills. But if you use leaps, teleports, or rapid movement skills you can put enough of a gap that they will stop chasing early. At that point, you’ll lose aggro and resume faster out of combat speed.
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It’s not a matter of how much time it takes to get out of combat, but rather one of how far the enemies will chase and how much distance you need to put between you to break aggro. Simply continuing to run usually leaves the enemy following for a long time, especially if it has increased movement speed or movement skills. But if you use leaps, teleports, or rapid movement skills you can put enough of a gap that they will stop chasing early. At that point, you’ll lose aggro and resume faster out of combat speed.
Its not about anything here. I’m perfectly ok with how the game operates except this one specific issue. Its purely about what happens after you get hit and the amount of time your impaired from mostly the small hits but also in general as well.
Sorry, but if you get hit, you are in combat. I don’t have an issue with it.
However, I most certainly do have issues where if you are not the one hit, you still end up “in combat” slow down.
Aka if a ranger pet, elemental summon, necro minons, rune/sigil summons get hit, YOU are the one slowed down. I flatly disagree with that. Until my character itself is hit or does the hitting, my character should not be forced into “in combat” speed.
Sorry, but if you get hit, you are in combat. I don’t have an issue with it.
However, I most certainly do have issues where if you are not the one hit, you still end up “in combat” slow down.
Aka if a ranger pet, elemental summon, necro minons, rune/sigil summons get hit, YOU are the one slowed down. I flatly disagree with that. Until my character itself is hit or does the hitting, my character should not be forced into “in combat” speed.
Like i said, its all about how LONG and OFTEN your forced to move slow, not wether your in combat or not…
I guess the easiest fix would just be to reduce the amount of time it takes to be considered out of combat. I like it all the way it is really but being slowed for upwards of 10 seconds from a heel nip just gets frustrating. If it didnt effect so much of the gameplay i wouldnt even be bothered by it. I think a good long 4 seconds would be fair. That way you really dont change much of as it is.
So when fighting champions you can disengage, run in circles for 4 seconds, get your full health back, then go back into the action? Rinse and repeat until you kill it. I don’t understand why you are making this such a big issue while it’s not.
Its slow enough to feel like a crawl in my opinion. Theres no suggestion or advice that solves the problem im referring to. Only a game change from anet would solve it.
I guess the easiest fix would just be to reduce the amount of time it takes to be considered out of combat. I like it all the way it is really but being slowed for upwards of 10 seconds from a heel nip just gets frustrating. If it didnt effect so much of the gameplay i wouldnt even be bothered by it. I think a good long 4 seconds would be fair. That way you really dont change much of as it is.
So when fighting champions you can disengage, run in circles for 4 seconds, get your full health back, then go back into the action? Rinse and repeat until you kill it. I don’t understand why you are making this such a big issue while it’s not.
This is the reason we’ll never see aggro loss being based on a timer, instead of distance. The chase/aggro loss distances could possibly be tuned down slightly, but not anywhere near the degree being asked for here. That would make it far too easy to accidentally lose aggro and have enemy HP reset in the middle of a fight. Having a champ reset and regen to full HP because you kited it one step too far from its starting spot is not a fun experience, and I’m glad the current aggro/pursuit setup makes it a less common occurrence than it was long ago.
While I agree it can be frustrating to have your travel between points slowed, especially when there are no other players around to be negatively impacted by your actions, there are some quite good reasons why the system in place now is setup this way. Having some added convenience to something the game doesn’t want you doing isn’t worth the problems it would create for those playing as intended.
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On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
HAH! And I thought I am the only one! The first time I stepped into HoT I was like “Wow, the game went into turbo mode” and I like it, but one time I have been kicked back and forth the map without being able to fight back. It was at the bottom of some spiral walkway and whenever I made it a few meters ahead, I am getting ping-poinged around like a football. Once I managed to fight that bunch o’ foes, the other beetle things respawned and I am being kicked around even harder without any possibility to really fight my way either forward or backward because in order to evade that I would have to dodge into the other bunch of knockdown enemies…
That was the first time I was yelling “BAD GAME DESIGN” at the screen.
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EDIT: That was with Zedekk, my (now-on-vacation) Engineer. Let’s see how it works with stealth abilities.
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On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
HAH! And I thought I am the only one! The first time I stepped into HoT I was like “Wow, the game went into turbo mode” and I like it, but one time I have been kicked back and forth the map without being able to fight back. It was at the bottom of some spiral walkway and whenever I made it a few meters ahead, I am getting ping-poinged around like a football. Once I managed to fight that bunch o’ foes, the other beetle things respawned and I am being kicked around even harder without any possibility to really fight my way either forward or backward because in order to evade that I would have to dodge into the other bunch of knockdown enemies…
That was the first time I was yelling “BAD GAME DESIGN” at the screen.
Excelsior.
EDIT: That was with Zedekk, my (now-on-vacation) Engineer. Let’s see how it works with stealth abilities.
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My latest experience? Four (4) Veteran jade constructs. After two dodges, two stun breaks, and popping heals, I got “petrified” (aka, stunlocked) into a corner until I got downed. So, yeah, way to stay classy, ANet.
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On that note, Anet can you PLEASE stop with the crazy thinking of “lets make this fight ‘challenging’ by throwing in constant knockdowns/backs” with your new content? all that does is make it annoying and makes me want to hurry up and get through it and not do it again.
HAH! And I thought I am the only one! The first time I stepped into HoT I was like “Wow, the game went into turbo mode” and I like it, but one time I have been kicked back and forth the map without being able to fight back. It was at the bottom of some spiral walkway and whenever I made it a few meters ahead, I am getting ping-poinged around like a football.
It’s not too much of a problem from the perspective of single enemies, but some of the composition of groups of mobs is rather bad. A group of 4 enemies, each with one somewhat short cooldown CC, can easily put you in a situation where you don’t have an available stunbreak or enough endurance to dodge.
I’ve already had this happen a couple times with the jade constructs in Ember Bay. The Jade Armors have a medium range cone stun skill, which they will almost always follow up with a spinning attack that launches. It’s very easy to avoid (just with kiting) with one or two armors because of the long telegraph, but a larger group is most likely going to land a hit with the stun, which will be followed up at least one (often more) of them using their launch skill on you. If Jade Bows are present, they have another source of stuns that has better tracking and is harder to avoid without using a dodge.
This is something that I think GW1 (and several other games I’ve played) handled much better. The only comparable CC in that game was knockdown, which couldn’t be used on a target that was already knocked down. It was still possible to CC lock, but it required very precise timing so your knockdown would land at the exact instant the target stood up and regained movement control. This was something you’d only encounter in pvp, as the game’s AI wouldn’t even start activating another knockdown attack till after the target was back on their feet.
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And i was thinking enviroment needed to be more of a challange… players are already complaining QQ, if they cant just auto atack for a easy win…
Less keyspam more brains, this game isnt that hard…
It is fairly easy, most of the time. But there are areas and situations where the game is able to screw you over, now matter how good you are. The jade constructs around the Mursaat fortress in Ember Bay are a nice example, as myself and someone else mentioned. A group of 4 of them can put out a lot of CC spam, and groups that size are quite easy to get tangled up with in that area. And it gets worse if they happened to be higher level (even just 81), as their invul/breakbar skill requires multiple CCs to break. On my revenant, the cast time of trying to use hammer 5 or Glint’s elite facet to break their bar comes with a very high chance of being hit with a stun myself.
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The only time combat speed drives me nuts is when it makes me miss a jump on tiny platforms in fractals. But there’s no need for it to go away or be reduced. As has been stated, it’s there to try to dissuade you from just running past everything.
MMO players have it easy these days. Back in my day, enemies didn’t have tether ranges. They also moved as fast as you. If you aggroed a powerful mob and didn’t have enough endurance to sprint away from it, you were done for. Then you lost XP and had to walk fifteen miles in the snow to pray at your grave to get some of it back.
