Guild Wars 2

I may be giving this shot with the recent update, I am interested in my guardian, elementalist, necromancer, and mesmer how is the build diversity for raiding, pvp, and wvw after the changes? I looked into them but it did not tell me much, I know some classes seem to be still falling behind.

Thanks everyone.

Are they listed on metabattle? If so they have viable builds.

If you’re in the “metabattle is overrated” camp, then answering your questions requires defining “viable” (which will raise controversy), defining “optimal” (which will raise controversy) and will also involve some complex theorycrafting and meta-theorying. (which will raise controversy)

Just consult metabattle.com. Asking the forums for a opinion about diversity is asking for trouble, especially since the forum has a really high concentration of bitter veteran players that will probably feed you a extremely dystopian view of diversity while also kicking up needless arguments.

Not much in PvP.

But altogether, there is quite a lot of build diversity.

The new trait system have really streamlined the traits, sacrificing a lot of options. Hopefully the trait system becomes complex again.

Crinn.7864:

Are they listed on metabattle? If so they have viable builds.

If you’re in the “metabattle is overrated” camp, then answering your questions requires defining “viable” (which will raise controversy), defining “optimal” (which will raise controversy) and will also involve some complex theorycrafting and meta-theorying. (which will raise controversy)

Just consult metabattle.com. Asking the forums for a opinion about diversity is asking for trouble, especially since the forum has a really high concentration of bitter veteran players that will probably feed you a extremely dystopian view of diversity while also kicking up needless arguments.

No offense but this is not helpful at all, I do not need max optimal so I do not trust metabattle and people hardly update it anymore from what I hear, anyways stop trying to blame me here I am asking because I invest my precious time into a game, I want build diversity that is fairly effective it is that simple. If anyone is adding to the problem here its your attitude and reply here, your the only one being negative if you do not like my question then why did you even answer?

Honest answer,

In PvE you can run almost anything. Some builds are better for speed runs for dungeons or fractals. Some are better for support which makes it easier to carry. There is no real way to do Pve wrong other then throwing stuff on and traits and just expecting it to work. If you take time on what you want you can make any PvE build effective.

For raids, you need to run the meta unless you get your own static group or raid guild with many members capable of doing them. The last patch has killed some diversity and as someone who pugged all his raid kills ive been unable to find a good pug group of recent. Now i dont raid often so dont take my comment as something the community struggles with or you yourself will struggle with if you go into raiding.

Simply put if you go into raids who have to find something your class can be good at, get elite gear, learn the mechanics of the bosses and find a group of people willing to work with you. For instance in the raid/dungeons/forum a new guild training group started and they got over 30+ members very quickly. People want to raid but it can be very hard to get into.

As for PvP once again in unranked you might be able to get away with alot of things. With match making the way it is and the burst meta currently going on you can run alot of different things in solo unranked que.

If you want to play seriously/competitive you will need to play a certain build at a certain level to compete with the better players in the game. At high level PvP in structured teams classes only have 1 real option for play.

Wit that being said ranked que will be changing as well as the team format. PvP is at a odd cross road where no one is really sure the direction Anet will take it. Its not meant for teams anymore it would seem but the question will become whether or not its skill based or grind based.

In either situation if you can get good at the meta build of it you can do some real things but if you are looking to have fun, you can run any type of build in unranked and do well.

Ryou.2398:

No offense but this is not helpful at all, I do not need max optimal so I do not trust metabattle and people hardly update it anymore from what I hear, anyways stop trying to blame me here I am asking because I invest my precious time into a game, I want build diversity that is fairly effective it is that simple. If anyone is adding to the problem here its your attitude and reply here, your the only one being negative if you do not like my question then why did you even answer?

You mistake my meaning. I am not attacking you.

Metabattle is useful in that it is the closest GW2 gets to having a standard. It’s not the bible but it is a good pocket guide to the accepted meta.

kdaddy.5431:

Honest answer,

In PvE you can run almost anything. Some builds are better for speed runs for dungeons or fractals. Some are better for support which makes it easier to carry. There is no real way to do Pve wrong other then throwing stuff on and traits and just expecting it to work. If you take time on what you want you can make any PvE build effective.

For raids, you need to run the meta unless you get your own static group or raid guild with many members capable of doing them. The last patch has killed some diversity and as someone who pugged all his raid kills ive been unable to find a good pug group of recent. Now i dont raid often so dont take my comment as something the community struggles with or you yourself will struggle with if you go into raiding.

Simply put if you go into raids who have to find something your class can be good at, get elite gear, learn the mechanics of the bosses and find a group of people willing to work with you. For instance in the raid/dungeons/forum a new guild training group started and they got over 30+ members very quickly. People want to raid but it can be very hard to get into.

As for PvP once again in unranked you might be able to get away with alot of things. With match making the way it is and the burst meta currently going on you can run alot of different things in solo unranked que.

If you want to play seriously/competitive you will need to play a certain build at a certain level to compete with the better players in the game. At high level PvP in structured teams classes only have 1 real option for play.

Wit that being said ranked que will be changing as well as the team format. PvP is at a odd cross road where no one is really sure the direction Anet will take it. Its not meant for teams anymore it would seem but the question will become whether or not its skill based or grind based.

In either situation if you can get good at the meta build of it you can do some real things but if you are looking to have fun, you can run any type of build in unranked and do well.

Alright thank you, I think I will probably just buy eso soon, and hopefully some day it will feel like they care about build diversity again.

Crinn.7864:

Ryou.2398:

No offense but this is not helpful at all, I do not need max optimal so I do not trust metabattle and people hardly update it anymore from what I hear, anyways stop trying to blame me here I am asking because I invest my precious time into a game, I want build diversity that is fairly effective it is that simple. If anyone is adding to the problem here its your attitude and reply here, your the only one being negative if you do not like my question then why did you even answer?

You mistake my meaning. I am not attacking you.

Metabattle is useful in that it is the closest GW2 gets to having a standard. It’s not the bible but it is a good pocket guide to the accepted meta.

My apologies, it just seemed that way, thank you.