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Can we train the Elder Dragons?
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This is probably why…..
Force of nature sums up their role in the lore. They exist solely to show Tyria’s progression and perseverance in them hanging out eating magic.
We just know that dragon minions themselves can be befriended through who the meow knows what. Ventari did it. Happened to Glint too (Forgotten?)
The initial plan was to kill Kralkatorrik and have Glint take his place, which would be an okay alternative to sending Kralka some chocolate and flowers and offering peace. Then Logan's Run happened.
That being said, Pact is dumb stupidfaces for hurting Elder Dragons and, with how each will grow stronger than the last along with their minions, will be hilarious by the time we face the last Elder Dragon who’s just gobbling up literally all the magic in Tyria since the other Elder Dragons would be dead and unable to repeat the magic cycle.
[EDS] Elder Dragon Sympathizers
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Thats why we have Glint baby now. It’ll be the plot to Nightfall all over again.
I don’t know if we can train them, but I’m sure they would make some great minis.
Always follow what is true.” — Sentry-skritt Bordekka
Is this another “mounts” thread ?
Can they be trained to emiminate in particular spots cuz I’m not following my pet dragon around with a dragon sized pooper scooper and very large plastic bags.
As to OP’s particular suggestion, no. I don’t thinks it’s a good one. Giving Dragons a tamable personality wiould mean changing the whole point of the story,
ANet may give it to you.
I think if we tried training them they’d leash back to their spawn point.
ba-dum-tish!
Always follow what is true.” — Sentry-skritt Bordekka
I have actually wondered about this. Not taming them as such, but reasoning with them – trying to find a compromise.
The usual response is that they’re forces of natural and incapable of understanding us even if they wanted to. But at least two of their champions have been converted to our ‘side’, simply through being given an opportunity to understand other races.
Also I’m sure when Prophecies first came out people would have said much the same about the charr (who were portrayed a lot more simply back then – there was none of this lore with warbands and legions and ancient roman themes, they were a lot like the grawl – tribes of monsters who worshipped whatever powerful and scary thing came along.)
But the elder dragons have already shown a capacity for understanding us. In several of the Pact missions Zhaitan deals with you in very human ways, like using mesmers to spread dissent among the ranks and cast doubt on the leadership.
Jormag apparently has enough of an understanding of our races, or at least the norn, to be sexist towards them – only granting his power to the men. An indifferent force of nature wouldn’t even notice there were different sexes.
“Life’s a journey, not a destination.”
This video is worth watching as it explains what is meant by Force of Nature villains, which is how Elder Dragons are described. It doesn’t mean they can’t have intelligence or motives.
ANet may give it to you.
How to Train Your GW2 Elder Dragon
Scene one Act one: Wow I would realy like to train my very own Elder dragon, but everyone tells me its impossible. But being a daring do hero type, I will do it anyway.
Our intrepid hero/ heroin sets off on a perilous quest across Mordor Tamriel Tyria and after much walking (there were no mounts you see), he finally came to Mount Doom Arah, and set foot into the forbidding dungeon.
Scene Two Act one: Our intrepid hero/heroin final comes across his/her final goal after much walking (still no mounts—-his / her stamina must be prodigious!)
Oh Hail mighty dragon i have come here to tame you. Forsooth witness the mighty power of my Glowing thingy legendery.
Final Act: Epilogue: Elder Dragon last seen flying away using a toothpick with a sneaky smile, whist a familiar, but empty and smoking boots are left.
THE END!
TL’DR—-dont do it!
(edited by Shadey Dancer.2907)
Also I’m sure when Prophecies first came out people would have said much the same about the charr (who were portrayed a lot more simply back then – there was none of this lore with warbands and legions and ancient roman themes, they were a lot like the grawl – tribes of monsters who worshipped whatever powerful and scary thing came along.)
In fairness, humans kind of did the same thing in GW1. So it wasn’t just Charr that got painted with the ignorant religious zealot brush.
I have actually wondered about this. Not taming them as such, but reasoning with them – trying to find a compromise.
The usual response is that they’re forces of natural and incapable of understanding us even if they wanted to. But at least two of their champions have been converted to our ‘side’, simply through being given an opportunity to understand other races.
Also I’m sure when Prophecies first came out people would have said much the same about the charr (who were portrayed a lot more simply back then – there was none of this lore with warbands and legions and ancient roman themes, they were a lot like the grawl – tribes of monsters who worshipped whatever powerful and scary thing came along.)
But the elder dragons have already shown a capacity for understanding us. In several of the Pact missions Zhaitan deals with you in very human ways, like using mesmers to spread dissent among the ranks and cast doubt on the leadership.
Jormag apparently has enough of an understanding of our races, or at least the norn, to be sexist towards them – only granting his power to the men. An indifferent force of nature wouldn’t even notice there were different sexes.
Actually you missed a number of subtle points that go strongly in the opposite direction. Its not the elder dragons are mindless….. they are highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and ruthless. This isn’t because they are incapable of sympathizing, they simply have no reason to. Its not much different then humans then not caring about Ants until they become a nuisance.
On a side note, of the dragons, Zhaitan’s has shown to be the most conditional of the corruptions. Kralkatorrik can corrupt things directly, as does Jormag, though the process is much slower. We know Mordramoth basically grows his own minions. But Zhaitan “needs” the husks of once living creatures to create its minions. The process also gives him access to all the knowledge once held by his minions, which is why his ability for subterfuge is as it is. Against a strong force, the undead are not particularly effective, even if they are durable…. so in order grow his army, he goes about it methodically. Gnawing away at the edges, exposing weakness, driving them into disarray, and then overwhelm and subvert them on one swift move. His ranks, once gained, are never lost; allowing him to spread his corruption like a slow plague.
As for the story of Glint, she was “freed” by the Forgotten. This indicates that her previous form and personality were similar to what it was before her stint as dragon champion, sans the crystal body. It was mentioned somewhere (that I can’t find the source of) her ability to read minds was helpful in communicating with the other races; but I don’t think it was the sole reason she empathized with them. (It sounds more like something that would make sense in the Pale Tree’s story)
And then theres the Charr. We knew from Prophecies (around the point of the Rin mission), its revealed that Ascalon was once Charr lands. Warbands were mentioned to be a major organizational structure for the Charr- but their significance as a “small group” wouldn’t be made until EotN (or in the extra missions I never played). But most importantly…. they were a Hoard. To compare them to the Grawl as “tribals” would be like comparing the Mongrel hoards to a bunch of road side thugs. And thats where they drew their parallels.. the Mongrels. Not much was known about their culture at the time, but it crystal clear that they were not only very well organized, but remorseless and ruthless in the face of their enemies.