Guild Wars 2

My medium armor chest looks so dam ugly, I would rather take it off and go nude.

bare chest and a loin cloth plx, so i can make Conan!
and some fashionable bikini armours for the ladies!
so i would be able to make my warrior look like Red Sonja!

You could just take off your medium armor chestpiece to achieve the same results, and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

On medium, I like Privateer, Stalker, Duelist, Krytan, Assassin’s, Falconer
They are pretty nice sets in my opinion, or at last some items within the set

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your medium armor chestpiece to achieve the same results, and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

The mechanics of the world literally do not care what you’re wearing. Some of the skimpiest chest armor in the game is “heavy armor” and grants more defensive benefits than medium armor.

Also, you can just put on an “outfit” and the entire concept of armor goes out the window anyway. I wear “heavy armor” on my “acrobatic” daredevil all the time thanks to this mechanic.

Also, giant norn and charr in actual heavy armor roll all over the place like olympic gymnasts.

This is not a world where the words “practical” and “combat” should be used in the same sentence.

PopeUrban.2578:

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your medium armor chestpiece to achieve the same results, and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

The mechanics of the world literally do not care what you’re wearing. Some of the skimpiest chest armor in the game is “heavy armor” and grants more defensive benefits than medium armor.

Also, you can just put on an “outfit” and the entire concept of armor goes out the window anyway. I wear “heavy armor” on my “acrobatic” daredevil all the time thanks to this mechanic.

Also, giant norn and charr in actual heavy armor roll all over the place like olympic gymnasts.

This is not a world where the words “practical” and “combat” should be used in the same sentence.

True, my statement is merely an act of mockery, made in order to tell my opinion on making an invisible chestpiece being moderately silly. Bare feet, cleen face (no helm), non-covered hands, no extra shoulder armor is moderately-to-mildly reasonable in certain cases, while an entire missing chestpiece with only underwear/bare chest to show is just kind something you don’t even put effort into developing in the first place. Also underwear, yes. That would look silly too. Mostly underwear is the most silly factor.

In fact, even if adding something like that, that should be the point of going full clown-fiesta and adding the invisible leggings to the pile as well.

By the way, I’m not sure how much you know about armor, but I know enough that a proper set of heavy armor Doesn’t make you an almost immobile fullmetal coffin, and you can run, roll and even get up on a horse in it. And well, norn are strong, and charr are both moderately strong and agile, so no idea how those two races grabbed your attention from everyone else, especially when there’s those noodle-limbed cabbages running around in plates-n-stuff.

Ryudnard.2587:

Can you create nude armor skin?

In real life or in the game?

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your chestpiece and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

because this (heavy) obviously offers more protection than this (medium) right?
don’t try bringing logic into games, it never works.

having your character look the way you want them to look is one of the biggest parts of an MMO, and GW2 is severely lacking in that department.

if we want to have our big burly guys bare-chested then we should be able too without negatively effecting our stats.

Liewec.2896:

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your chestpiece and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

because this (heavy) obviously offers more protection than this (medium) right?
don’t try bringing logic into games, it never works.

having your character look the way you want them to look is one of the biggest parts of an MMO, and GW2 is severely lacking in that department.

if we want to have our big burly guys bare-chested then we should be able too without negatively effecting our stats.

Tsk tsk. You don’t understand female armor if you think that heavy armor doesn’t protect.

A scientific explanation

Just a flesh wound.3589:

A scientific explanation

exactly! (i’m familiar with that one too XD)
thats why i’m saying we should be able to wear what we want and not be disadvantaged!

this one is good too btw!

Liewec.2896:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

A scientific explanation

exactly! (i’m familiar with that one too XD)
thats why i’m saying we should be able to wear what we want and not be disadvantaged!

this one is good too btw!

And then there’s this explanation of how you can be perfectly protected by nude armor.

The shiny part!

Liewec.2896:

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your chestpiece and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

because this (heavy) obviously offers more protection than this (medium) right?
don’t try bringing logic into games, it never works.

having your character look the way you want them to look is one of the biggest parts of an MMO, and GW2 is severely lacking in that department.

if we want to have our big burly guys bare-chested then we should be able too without negatively effecting our stats.

I already said everything about it there was to be said by me. I’m not doing it again.

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Liewec.2896:

having your character look the way you want them to look is one of the biggest parts of an MMO, and GW2 is severely lacking in that department.

By the way, this one is most probably the most irrational thing I’ve heard today. And that says something.

Grimheart.2853:

PopeUrban.2578:

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your medium armor chestpiece to achieve the same results, and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

The mechanics of the world literally do not care what you’re wearing. Some of the skimpiest chest armor in the game is “heavy armor” and grants more defensive benefits than medium armor.

Also, you can just put on an “outfit” and the entire concept of armor goes out the window anyway. I wear “heavy armor” on my “acrobatic” daredevil all the time thanks to this mechanic.

Also, giant norn and charr in actual heavy armor roll all over the place like olympic gymnasts.

This is not a world where the words “practical” and “combat” should be used in the same sentence.

True, my statement is merely an act of mockery, made in order to tell my opinion on making an invisible chestpiece being moderately silly. Bare feet, cleen face (no helm), non-covered hands, no extra shoulder armor is moderately-to-mildly reasonable in certain cases, while an entire missing chestpiece with only underwear/bare chest to show is just kind something you don’t even put effort into developing in the first place. Also underwear, yes. That would look silly too. Mostly underwear is the most silly factor.

In fact, even if adding something like that, that should be the point of going full clown-fiesta and adding the invisible leggings to the pile as well.

By the way, I’m not sure how much you know about armor, but I know enough that a proper set of heavy armor Doesn’t make you an almost immobile fullmetal coffin, and you can run, roll and even get up on a horse in it. And well, norn are strong, and charr are both moderately strong and agile, so no idea how those two races grabbed your attention from everyone else, especially when there’s those noodle-limbed cabbages running around in plates-n-stuff.

As someone who fights HEMA and SCA:

There is never, ever, an advantage on a battlefield to being without full protection, ESPECIALLY the helmet, gloves, and boots/greaves. These are the areas most prone to being struck in combat at any given point in time, and some of the least resilient in terms of being able to take a blow. Your torso is surprisingly hardy; it’s just not fantastic at taking penetrating or acute forces in its upper regions (a la stilettos and flanged maces). Your wrists and legs are basically twigs when taking a hit from even the flat of a normal broadsword.

The only advantages posed of wearing less or lighter armor in extensive combat is strike power and range of motion. But even something like “light” (15oz) leather pauldrons can massively cut one’s range of motion.

That said, you’re absolutely wrong here about how much you discount speed: A real set of actual (non-fantasy-BS-collector-trash) armor weighs a ton and impedes motion incredibly. Protective pauldrons will prevent one from being able to lift his arms straight up and erect. You can “roll” (mostly using momentum to carry the maneuver to force glancing blows and to get lower while retaining some degree of mobility – not as an act of agility, and you WILL have troubles getting up at speed) and “run” (comparable to jogging without, and demanding a TON of energy), but with armor on, you’ll be nowhere near as fast as someone without it.

However, doing anything more than strictly honor-dueling with a single broadsword for the wielders will always and immediately favor the person wearing a full set of armor, and if it came down to it, someone wearing a set of gauntlets/helmet/greaves would likely run a lower risk of injury and higher success at winning in such a duel than his opponent only wearing a cuirass and plated leg armor, instead.

At the end of the day, the game is an RPG with fantasy and whimsy. I’m more concerned not so much with how much clothing people are to be wearing but rather in what way it’s portrayed. Excessive particle effects and the likes ruin a lot of the game’s atmosphere. A chick in a brown halter top going for the barbarian aesthetic wouldn’t really phase me. Options are cool, so long as they’re not invasive.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

And then there’s this explanation of how you can be perfectly protected by nude armor.

The shiny part!

i really really wish there was a chainmail bikini tbh XD
my greatsword warrior just isn’t as mobile without it!

DeceiverX.8361:

There is never, ever, an advantage on a battlefield to being without full protection, ESPECIALLY the helmet, gloves, and boots/greaves.

My words had nothing to do with the actual protection, and everything to do with character’s appearance and, perhaps, background story or general field of expertise, if one who designs their outfits goes advanced enough. Removing a helmet from a warrior could make a funny cheesy “I want my enemies to look their death in the eyes before they meet their demise” vibe, as long as the person would go far enough to describe all the brain injuries their character had or could have with such a way of armor usage. Removing shoes could complement the looks of something in the theme of a “Forest Dryad” outfit. Sure, one would get their foot choped off the moment they enter combat and someone aims at it, but it wasn’t the point I was making in the first place.

Pit Fighter’s armor, for instance, doesn’t make sense in the actual battle, but it made sense in actual pit fights and gladiator arenas, where effectiveness had nothing to do with their purpose.

DeceiverX.8361:

That said, you’re absolutely wrong here about how much you discount speed: A real set of actual (non-fantasy-BS-collector-trash) armor weighs a ton and impedes motion incredibly. Protective pauldrons will prevent one from being able to lift his arms straight up and erect. You can “roll” (mostly using momentum to carry the maneuver to force glancing blows and to get lower while retaining some degree of mobility – not as an act of agility, and you WILL have troubles getting up at speed) and “run” (comparable to jogging without, and demanding a TON of energy), but with armor on, you’ll be nowhere near as fast as someone without it.

If I said that having a plate is just the same in terms of mobility and energy effectiveness as not having one, then I probably had another stroke at the time of writing. Unless you misinterpreted my point. Again.

I found this french video in a few minutes of googling, the first part showcases some of the movements in plate armor. This is pretty much what sparks in my head when I say “NOT a fullmetal coffin”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=203&v=5hlIUrd7d1Q

Because a stereotype I mostly see in people’s minds is that a heavy armored target moves at about 1 meter-per-century speed and takes 5 seconds to swing a greatsword once.

Climbing a ladder is not intensive when it comes to range of motion and mobility. I can climb a ladder with a 150lb weight strapped to my leg.

Not to mention, this set, is extremely high-quality and designed light. Depending on the time period and location, things were much, much heavier, and much, much more restrictive.

Pope’s quote was all about how characters move in the game and how it reflects absolutely nothing like what it is to wear that kind of gear. He never says you can’t move. Nor did I.

At 1:25 and 1:28 the armored guy proves my point about overhead arm-lifting during jumping jacks – he can barely get his hands vertical. The video shows that armor can be moved in, but to someone who actually wears it and knows its limitations, it does not do a good job at demonstrating its weaknesses outside of a few places where you need to be looking for the details. Yes, you can be mobile, no, you can’t be anywhere even close to as mobile as our characters are. That’s what people are claiming and even without knowledge of how mobile you can be in armor, it’s correct when compared to the rest of the game. It simply does not matter.

And your quotes above prove what I said above… the options need not be taken in any kind of historical or realistic context whatsoever. Gladiators weren’t armored because the point was to kill and maim for a show. If that’s part of a character’s backstory – to be the unscathed champion gladiator, well, maybe in PvE it’s okay he has some defenses.

Frankly, if armor took away stats, I’d be fine with the notion. Fact is you still miss out on a ton of offensive stats without wearing it.

Which is kind of the mechanical point to why your refusal is ridiculous; Power/Precision should be thus boosted when not wearing armor innately. But it isn’t, because that’d be dumb. So your whole defense, mechanically in respects to the game itself, falls apart here.

Why you were disagreeing with the option to begin with just doesn’t make sense; the element of “realism” in the game is laughable as it is when you take everything into consideration properly. Knowing a little bit about armor not totally hindering mobility is moot when you look at the athletics our characters perform. Unless you want to argue that the game should move to full-realism combat, there’s zero logical reason to say players should be penalized for having, as you defined, “appearance and background story” in the confines of combat, when already, players should be for just about every element of the game when it comes to armor.

Funny enough (“funny”, because I just saw this thread), I was just thinking, “Darn, while many of the female armor sets attempt to expose pretty much every asset of my female characters, I can’t find a single good looking armor set that exposes any of my male characters’ neck and chest.” (And no, don’t point me to the ugly gladiator-type skins with funny looking straps, neck collars and what not.) Hmph.

DeceiverX.8361:

Climbing a ladder is not intensive when it comes to range of motion and mobility. I can climb a ladder with a 150lb weight strapped to my leg.

I’m just going to leave this here for anyone who still thinks “full plate” means “hard to move”

PopeUrban.2578:

Also, giant norn and charr in actual heavy armor roll all over the place like olympic gymnasts.

This is not a world where the words “practical” and “combat” should be used in the same sentence.

To be fair, real-world full plate armor, when properly made, is quite possible to do backflips in. The total weight isn’t as big an issue as the joint construction and weight distribution over the body.

PopeUrban.2578:

Grimheart.2853:

You could just take off your medium armor chestpiece to achieve the same results, and expirience the magical feeling behind completely unprotected torso yourself, in practical combat.

The mechanics of the world literally do not care what you’re wearing. Some of the skimpiest chest armor in the game is “heavy armor” and grants more defensive benefits than medium armor.

Also, you can just put on an “outfit” and the entire concept of armor goes out the window anyway. I wear “heavy armor” on my “acrobatic” daredevil all the time thanks to this mechanic.

Also, giant norn and charr in actual heavy armor roll all over the place like olympic gymnasts.

This is not a world where the words “practical” and “combat” should be used in the same sentence.

Ahem…

Couldn’t they just make a toggle like shoulders, glove, and helm. For my Norn would love to show off the tattoos and there is so little armor that allows that in both heavy and light. And the medium one that does has a weird color setup and isn’t cohesive with many looks. And before you say well you’re unprotected, Kasmeer and Faren have both made it clear they don’t wear armor at all. Faren runs around in his speedo in Verdant Brink. So yes it shouldn’t be a difficult change and no it’s not ridiculous in this game given what they’ve already done.

or this lol. google images. https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/440789882253576925/

been waiting for a set of board shorts outfit (nothing else) I can dye purple for my I M Hulk toon. For now I run around in 3 pieces of armor (hidden) – but this toon is pve only…..

I’ve been wanting an invisible/bare chest on my characters for a long time.

I just don’t want an invisible chest skin to be added as one of those 1 in a 1,000,000 chance drop rates from the treasure mushroom. I mean, seriously, who has time for that!? And the chances are pathetic.

I wish my engineer, specifically, had a bare chest. I HATE trench coats with a passion. I would rather have nothing, but then I obviously lose my armor stats and benefits from wearing something.

Anet please make an invisible armor set for all classes – but not make it so unbearably difficult to obtain – like the invisible boots from the treasure mushrooms. Perhaps reward tracks that give you a currency for buying account bound invisible armor skins that can’t be sold on the trading post, would be awesome.

Zaoda.1653:

I’ve been wanting an invisible/bare chest on my characters for a long time.

I just don’t want an invisible chest skin to be added as one of those 1 in a 1,000,000 chance drop rates from the treasure mushroom. I mean, seriously, who has time for that!? And the chances are pathetic.

I wish my engineer, specifically, had a bare chest. I HATE trench coats with a passion. I would rather have nothing, but then I obviously lose my armor stats and benefits from wearing something.

Anet please make an invisible armor set for all classes – but not make it so unbearably difficult to obtain – like the invisible boots from the treasure mushrooms. Perhaps reward tracks that give you a currency for buying account bound invisible armor skins that can’t be sold on the trading post, would be awesome.

^

They don’t need to, just give option to hide chest/pants/boots… and voila nude…

Samnang.1879:

They don’t need to, just give option to hide chest/pants/boots… and voila nude…

If you could hide the chest it would bring a whole new meaning to a character being all legs.

Liston.9708:

been waiting for a set of board shorts outfit (nothing else) I can dye purple for my I M Hulk toon. For now I run around in 3 pieces of armor (hidden) – but this toon is pve only…..

WTB SouthSun Faren tonic.

DeceiverX.8361:

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Your words about gladiator armor basically say exactly what I said. Concidering the fact that you’re trying to counter-argument my words, it only proves further that you’re failing to grasp the initial point about appearance itself that I was trying to make.

You’ve been shown videos by other people in this thread of cartwheels and sprints in plated armor. So, yeah, NOT a fullmetal coffin. The only way pope’s quote made sense to me IS “fullmetal coffin” thing. If the only point you two were trying to make is “Durrrrr, they don’t get tired as fast as we do in real world”, then I really can’t even see why I should explain why that makes zero relevancy in the conversation I was initiating.

The “gain more stats without armor” makes zero sense too. -> Enchantments <-

Claim about set quality seems like you’re suggesting that in a world with magitech, holograms, mech-building asura, industrial charr and magically overcharged everything we can’t make a good quality armor set.

On that note, I’m wrapping it up here and shall no longer respond in this particular thread. If you wish to tell me how wrong I am, I encourage you to find me in game, because I’ve no patience to argue in this forum’s enviroment.

It’s almost summer in the States, we need Beachwear!