Guild Wars 2

Hello guys

Gw2 should have casual pvp system in pve , I like the spvp but it isnt the same ( More competitive ) because I work hard to get my stuffs in pve and sometimes I dont feel to play WvW all the time and I like to roam through the map and at least do some friendly duels like other games. I think in every MMO should have a casual pvp for stimulate the gear we get through the game instead of only the gear benefit for WvW. At least a dueling mode.

Thanks guys for listening.

sigh, this thread again.

look, a thread like this pops up every month or so, and the general consensus of the forums is that no, we do not want dueling in this game. maybe if it was in an area somewhere, but not out in the open world

nobody is going to like being spammed with dual messages because someone wants to make their kitten bigger that fighting and killing some random dude or under level

ofc theres a system to stop people killing low level people , in every pvp system theres a penalty for people who kills low people or random guys… theres no point for getting gear. and Kitanas you didnt explain me why this dont work.

Cruserd.9230:

ofc theres a system to stop people killing low level people , in every pvp system theres a penalty for people who kills low people or random guys… theres no point for getting gear. and Kitanas you didnt explain me why this dont work.

there is no reason it doesn’t work, but the consensus of the forums is that we don’t want it in our game

Or just make “available for duel” option somewhere in menu or on UI, ppl who dont want to duel cant be invited and everybody wins…

What exactly is Casual PvP? because most PvP i ever got thrown into was far from Casual..

Cruserd.9230:

Hello guys

Gw2 should have casual pvp system in pve , I like the spvp but it isnt the same ( More competitive ) because I work hard to get my stuffs in pve and sometimes I dont feel to play WvW all the time and I like to roam through the map and at least do some friendly duels like other games. I think in every MMO should have a casual pvp for stimulate the gear we get through the game instead of only the gear benefit for WvW. At least a dueling mode.

Thanks guys for listening.

Dueling would be awesome, and heck, if they could implement contested zones for world pvp, that would be sick. But conventional wisdom on the forums and the direction of this game screams carebear, so i’m not holding my breath or anything.

I dunno where you kids get the idea that the reason for dueling is to “generate more e-fallace.” Maybe 4/5 of my party is waiting at the instance, and we have 5 minutes to kill before the last member shows up. I would love to be able to duel right outside the instance, assuming it is consensual with my duel partner.

I enjoy dueling out in WvW. If there was some kind of official dueling system I think I would miss how it is right now in WvW. Most servers do the ‘fight club’ behind the windmill which is super cool. I have also just come across other people roaming around and we do a /bow and duel it out.

Scrambles.2604:

Cruserd.9230:

Hello guys

Gw2 should have casual pvp system in pve , I like the spvp but it isnt the same ( More competitive ) because I work hard to get my stuffs in pve and sometimes I dont feel to play WvW all the time and I like to roam through the map and at least do some friendly duels like other games. I think in every MMO should have a casual pvp for stimulate the gear we get through the game instead of only the gear benefit for WvW. At least a dueling mode.

Thanks guys for listening.

Dueling would be awesome, and heck, if they could implement contested zones for world pvp, that would be sick. But conventional wisdom on the forums and the direction of this game screams carebear, so i’m not holding my breath or anything.

I dunno where you kids get the idea that the reason for dueling is to “generate more e-fallace.” Maybe 4/5 of my party is waiting at the instance, and we have 5 minutes to kill before the last member shows up. I would love to be able to duel right outside the instance, assuming it is consensual with my duel partner.

‘Kids’…cute. Well there’s the obligatory ‘insult/demean anyone who doesn’t share your opinion in an attempt to render their opinion null and void and yours valid’-which ironically proves quite nicely the type of players who want this feature and consequently the very reason the majority says ‘keep that thing out of our game’

Well done

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Open-world-Duels-Merged/first

I really feel for the mods, they just finished merging these threads and here you go, another one.

Imbune.5497:

‘Kids’…cute. Well there’s the obligatory ‘insult/demean anyone who doesn’t share your opinion in an attempt to render their opinion null and void and yours valid’-which ironically proves quite nicely the type of players who want this feature and consequently the very reason the majority says ‘keep that thing out of our game’

Well done

Here here. So tired of that attitude.

@OP:

While many people have no issue with dueling, in and of itself, the general consensus, as another has said, is that we would prefer to keep it out of open world PvE. Not because it can’t be implemented, it could probably easily be so. Not because we wouldn’t be able to shut it off, or not be able to decline, but more because of the attitude and mentality that open world dueling fosters.

While it is true that not all open world duelers are kitten, from personal experience (and from the sounds of things, a lot of other people’s experience as well) most of them are.

They spam the hell out of the duel invite, and if you decline and/or have it shut off completely they start harrassing you in wsper instead. When you block them, they resort to open world taunting. ‘Oh you suck’ ‘Oh you’re such a pve noob’ ‘Haha scared of a little duel’ etc and so on. We simply don’t want to deal with kitten like this. We don’t want to foster this type of community/attitude in game.

In addition to this, open world dueling does not fit with the ‘original’ guild wars form. All pvp was in its own instance, outside of the pve. Many, including myself, feel that pvp related things should be segregated from pve, and remain in the mists, or at the very least, in their own arenas. Beyond that, we have no issue with having duels, but have them in their own arena.

Some people have gone so far as to complain that if dueling is relegated to an arena, it would have to use pvp armor/weapons, which is also not necessarily so. I don’t think it would be overly hard to implement the option to enter a 1v1 arena in pve or pvp armor. Leave the choice to the person entering.

An arena would also give you the option of fighting a random opponent (someone who’s just jumped in the queue) or against someone specific (join together option). All of this could be accommodated.

Others have stated that they want the open world duels because when they are just standing around waiting they having nothing else to do. They don’t want to have to go to a separate area to duel while they wait. While it is true that ‘going elsewhere’ to duel could be an inconvenience, its so easy to get around the world that there’s really no excuse except laziness to feel ‘hindered’ by needing to map out and back in.

So, while there are a lot of valid arguments, both in favor and against, for open world dueling, I think what it really boils down to for a lot of people is whether or not it will have a negative impact on the community attitude overall. Not whether or not its acceptable or viable.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Imbune.5497:

‘Kids’…cute. Well there’s the obligatory ‘insult/demean anyone who doesn’t share your opinion in an attempt to render their opinion null and void and yours valid’-which ironically proves quite nicely the type of players who want this feature and consequently the very reason the majority says ‘keep that thing out of our game’

Well done

Here here. So tired of that attitude.

@OP:

While many people have no issue with dueling, in and of itself, the general consensus, as another has said, is that we would prefer to keep it out of open world PvE. Not because it can’t be implemented, it could probably easily be so. Not because we wouldn’t be able to shut it off, or not be able to decline, but more because of the attitude and mentality that open world dueling fosters.

While it is true that not all open world duelers are kitten, from personal experience (and from the sounds of things, a lot of other people’s experience as well) most of them are.

They spam the hell out of the duel invite, and if you decline and/or have it shut off completely they start harrassing you in wsper instead. When you block them, they resort to open world taunting. ‘Oh you suck’ ‘Oh you’re such a pve noob’ ‘Haha scared of a little duel’ etc and so on. We simply don’t want to deal with kitten like this. We don’t want to foster this type of community/attitude in game.

In addition to this, open world dueling does not fit with the ‘original’ guild wars form. All pvp was in its own instance, outside of the pve. Many, including myself, feel that pvp related things should be segregated from pve, and remain in the mists, or at the very least, in their own arenas. Beyond that, we have no issue with having duels, but have them in their own arena.

Some people have gone so far as to complain that if dueling is relegated to an arena, it would have to use pvp armor/weapons, which is also not necessarily so. I don’t think it would be overly hard to implement the option to enter a 1v1 arena in pve or pvp armor. Leave the choice to the person entering.

An arena would also give you the option of fighting a random opponent (someone who’s just jumped in the queue) or against someone specific (join together option). All of this could be accommodated.

Others have stated that they want the open world duels because when they are just standing around waiting they having nothing else to do. They don’t want to have to go to a separate area to duel while they wait. While it is true that ‘going elsewhere’ to duel could be an inconvenience, its so easy to get around the world that there’s really no excuse except laziness to feel ‘hindered’ by needing to map out and back in.

So, while there are a lot of valid arguments, both in favor and against, for open world dueling, I think what it really boils down to for a lot of people is whether or not it will have a negative impact on the community attitude overall. Not whether or not its acceptable or viable.

that sure was a lot of words. Simply giving the option to request/decline a duel would have no negative impact on the community. I mean, really? i’ve been playing MMOs since vanilla WoW and if your biggest problem is getting “duel spammed” then that’s pretty sweet living if you ask me.

In my experience, the nicest people in GW2 have been people i’ve met in WvW and sPvP. Win or lose, they just enjoy the game. The bad-apples tend to favor PvE content and cuss me out in dungeons for not trying to exploit.

If you’re worried about the effects dueling would have in terms of fostering a bad community, let me tell you that part of the community already exists and you seem to be dealing with it ok.

Imbune.5497:

Scrambles.2604:

Cruserd.9230:

Hello guys

Gw2 should have casual pvp system in pve , I like the spvp but it isnt the same ( More competitive ) because I work hard to get my stuffs in pve and sometimes I dont feel to play WvW all the time and I like to roam through the map and at least do some friendly duels like other games. I think in every MMO should have a casual pvp for stimulate the gear we get through the game instead of only the gear benefit for WvW. At least a dueling mode.

Thanks guys for listening.

Dueling would be awesome, and heck, if they could implement contested zones for world pvp, that would be sick. But conventional wisdom on the forums and the direction of this game screams carebear, so i’m not holding my breath or anything.

I dunno where you kids get the idea that the reason for dueling is to “generate more e-fallace.” Maybe 4/5 of my party is waiting at the instance, and we have 5 minutes to kill before the last member shows up. I would love to be able to duel right outside the instance, assuming it is consensual with my duel partner.

‘Kids’…cute. Well there’s the obligatory ‘insult/demean anyone who doesn’t share your opinion in an attempt to render their opinion null and void and yours valid’-which ironically proves quite nicely the type of players who want this feature and consequently the very reason the majority says ‘keep that thing out of our game’

Well done

i didn’t mean to offend you. Feel free to disregard that one word in my post and add something relevant to the discussion.

Scrambles.2604:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Imbune.5497:

‘Kids’…cute. Well there’s the obligatory ‘insult/demean anyone who doesn’t share your opinion in an attempt to render their opinion null and void and yours valid’-which ironically proves quite nicely the type of players who want this feature and consequently the very reason the majority says ‘keep that thing out of our game’

Well done

Here here. So tired of that attitude.

@OP:

While many people have no issue with dueling, in and of itself, the general consensus, as another has said, is that we would prefer to keep it out of open world PvE. Not because it can’t be implemented, it could probably easily be so. Not because we wouldn’t be able to shut it off, or not be able to decline, but more because of the attitude and mentality that open world dueling fosters.

While it is true that not all open world duelers are kitten, from personal experience (and from the sounds of things, a lot of other people’s experience as well) most of them are.

They spam the hell out of the duel invite, and if you decline and/or have it shut off completely they start harrassing you in wsper instead. When you block them, they resort to open world taunting. ‘Oh you suck’ ‘Oh you’re such a pve noob’ ‘Haha scared of a little duel’ etc and so on. We simply don’t want to deal with kitten like this. We don’t want to foster this type of community/attitude in game.

In addition to this, open world dueling does not fit with the ‘original’ guild wars form. All pvp was in its own instance, outside of the pve. Many, including myself, feel that pvp related things should be segregated from pve, and remain in the mists, or at the very least, in their own arenas. Beyond that, we have no issue with having duels, but have them in their own arena.

Some people have gone so far as to complain that if dueling is relegated to an arena, it would have to use pvp armor/weapons, which is also not necessarily so. I don’t think it would be overly hard to implement the option to enter a 1v1 arena in pve or pvp armor. Leave the choice to the person entering.

An arena would also give you the option of fighting a random opponent (someone who’s just jumped in the queue) or against someone specific (join together option). All of this could be accommodated.

Others have stated that they want the open world duels because when they are just standing around waiting they having nothing else to do. They don’t want to have to go to a separate area to duel while they wait. While it is true that ‘going elsewhere’ to duel could be an inconvenience, its so easy to get around the world that there’s really no excuse except laziness to feel ‘hindered’ by needing to map out and back in.

So, while there are a lot of valid arguments, both in favor and against, for open world dueling, I think what it really boils down to for a lot of people is whether or not it will have a negative impact on the community attitude overall. Not whether or not its acceptable or viable.

that sure was a lot of words. Simply giving the option to request/decline a duel would have no negative impact on the community. I mean, really? i’ve been playing MMOs since vanilla WoW and if your biggest problem is getting “duel spammed” then that’s pretty sweet living if you ask me.

In my experience, the nicest people in GW2 have been people i’ve met in WvW and sPvP. Win or lose, they just enjoy the game. The bad-apples tend to favor PvE content and cuss me out in dungeons for not trying to exploit.

If you’re worried about the effects dueling would have in terms of fostering a bad community, let me tell you that part of the community already exists and you seem to be dealing with it ok.

Every hear of Goldshire? The defense rests.

Vayne.8563:

Every hear of Goldshire? The defense rests.

haha. So because there are (allegedly) lots of duel requests in a starting zone in a completely different game, with a completely different community, this game should not have open world duels?

Even though there are people that would like more options for pvp, you would be willing to deny them that because you can’t be bothered to click “decline?”

Scrambles.2604:

that sure was a lot of words. Simply giving the option to request/decline a duel would have no negative impact on the community. I mean, really? i’ve been playing MMOs since vanilla WoW and if your biggest problem is getting “duel spammed” then that’s pretty sweet living if you ask me.

In my experience, the nicest people in GW2 have been people i’ve met in WvW and sPvP. Win or lose, they just enjoy the game. The bad-apples tend to favor PvE content and cuss me out in dungeons for not trying to exploit.

If you’re worried about the effects dueling would have in terms of fostering a bad community, let me tell you that part of the community already exists and you seem to be dealing with it ok.

Perhaps a little long, but simply trying to address both sides of the line.

While yes, the childish attitude/mentality currently exists in the game, do we want to foster more of it? We already have segregation issues, build issues, armor issues, weapon issues, and I could keep going, but we want to add more fuel to that fire? I don’t particularly. I don’t want to foster more addle-brained children that need to feel 1337 by duel spamming people.

I too played WoW, and while I met some really nice people during my stay, most of the worst ones were in pvp and open world ‘duelists.’

I can deal with turning off the duel option, but my ignore list has a max number of allowable people, and hunting the kitten down to crush their hands and yank their wagging tongues out of their heads to alleviate my frustration with them just isn’t socially acceptable.

~Just a quick disclaimer here…I have never claimed (and will never claim) to be a ‘well adjusted’ human being~

Vayne.8563:

Every hear of Goldshire? The defense rests.

I used this example in another post of this topic as well. Open world dueling encourages people to ‘hang out and loiter’ instead of going out and playing the game. However, people shot me down ‘oh people don’t do that’ Ha, I beg to differ….

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Scrambles.2604:

that sure was a lot of words. Simply giving the option to request/decline a duel would have no negative impact on the community. I mean, really? i’ve been playing MMOs since vanilla WoW and if your biggest problem is getting “duel spammed” then that’s pretty sweet living if you ask me.

In my experience, the nicest people in GW2 have been people i’ve met in WvW and sPvP. Win or lose, they just enjoy the game. The bad-apples tend to favor PvE content and cuss me out in dungeons for not trying to exploit.

If you’re worried about the effects dueling would have in terms of fostering a bad community, let me tell you that part of the community already exists and you seem to be dealing with it ok.

Perhaps a little long, but simply trying to address both sides of the line.

While yes, the childish attitude/mentality currently exists in the game, do we want to foster more of it? We already have segregation issues, build issues, armor issues, weapon issues, and I could keep going, but we want to add more fuel to that fire? I don’t particularly. I don’t want to foster more addle-brained children that need to feel 1337 by duel spamming people.

I too played WoW, and while I met some really nice people during my stay, most of the worst ones were in pvp and open world ‘duelists.’

I can deal with turning off the duel option, but my ignore list has a max number of allowable people, and hunting the kitten down to crush their hands and yank their wagging tongues out of their heads to alleviate my frustration with them just isn’t socially acceptable.

another point i missed. There is this idea that people only want to duel “to show how leet they are.” Maybe people want to duel for fun? The fun in competition doesn’t come from rubbing someones face in the dirt.

There are plenty of reasons to duel and to think its just to further ones “e-fallace” is a narrowminded view of a gameplay style you don’t prefer.

This entire thread appears to be mistaking “dueling” for “world PvP.”

A dueling system would be a mutual agreement between two players to fight each other and only each other with no player actually being killed.

World PvP is the ‘high-level players ganking lowbies to make themselves feel better about themselves’ stuff that nobody wants in the game.

Dueling = Good

World PvP = Bad

Scrambles.2604:

another point i missed. There is this idea that people only want to duel “to show how leet they are.” Maybe people want to duel for fun? The fun in competition doesn’t come from rubbing someones face in the dirt.

There are plenty of reasons to duel and to think its just to further ones “e-fallace” is a narrowminded view of a gameplay style you don’t prefer.

And if that’s simply the case, then where’s the issue with relegating it to an arena? If you’re just doing it for fun, not to ‘show off’ why do you care if you have an audience?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Scrambles.2604:

another point i missed. There is this idea that people only want to duel “to show how leet they are.” Maybe people want to duel for fun? The fun in competition doesn’t come from rubbing someones face in the dirt.

There are plenty of reasons to duel and to think its just to further ones “e-fallace” is a narrowminded view of a gameplay style you don’t prefer.

And if that’s simply the case, then where’s the issue with relegating it to an arena? If you’re just doing it for fun, not to ‘show off’ why do you care if you have an audience?

i put it in my first post here. If i’m about to run a dungeon with 4/5 people and were waiting for the last person to finish up selling in LA or whatever, it would be nice to casually duel while waiting for the last player.

If you need to port to another arena/instance, it just wouldn’t be the same. Too much effort/loading. That’s one of the reasons WoW was so much better than SWTOR.

WoW = open world, not many loading screens
SWTOR = mostly instanced zones, tons of loading screens.

edit; It would also be nice to battle 1v1 in all the cool terrain Anet has put so much work into. I could think of some good places to have 1v1s in the open world.

Scrambles.2604:

i put it in my first post here. If i’m about to run a dungeon with 4/5 people and were waiting for the last person to finish up selling in LA or whatever, it would be nice to casually duel while waiting for the last player.

If you need to port to another arena/instance, it just wouldn’t be the same. Too much effort/loading. That’s one of the reasons WoW was so much better than SWTOR.

WoW = open world, not many loading screens
SWTOR = mostly instanced zones, tons of loading screens.

edit; It would also be nice to battle 1v1 in all the cool terrain Anet has put so much work into. I could think of some good places to have 1v1s in the open world.

See, in your scenario I have less of an issue with. That type of thing doesn’t bother me as much, honestly. Although it is still my ‘preference’ that all pvp be in the mists or at least separate from pve as it was in gw1.

However, your scenario is not the most common one. You’re going to see a lot more of the crap you get in Goldshire, than the way you envision it. People standing around not playing the game. People harassing others that simply don’t want to duel. People talking kitten because now not only are they not the right class, or have the right armor (or weapon or wtfe), but because they won’t duel either.

I can see loading being an issue for some. Especially if you have to go do the mists, and then to the arena. Maybe a middle ground could be found.

Dead horse, meet stick

Ah yes, duels topic. I alway wonder about one thing about this duel “problem”… what for? All this ruckus just to keep some people busy while waiting for the last party member? I’d say it’s far than not enough if we take all the downsides of dueling present (as mentioned above and in all threads of this sort).

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Scrambles.2604:

i put it in my first post here. If i’m about to run a dungeon with 4/5 people and were waiting for the last person to finish up selling in LA or whatever, it would be nice to casually duel while waiting for the last player.

If you need to port to another arena/instance, it just wouldn’t be the same. Too much effort/loading. That’s one of the reasons WoW was so much better than SWTOR.

WoW = open world, not many loading screens
SWTOR = mostly instanced zones, tons of loading screens.

edit; It would also be nice to battle 1v1 in all the cool terrain Anet has put so much work into. I could think of some good places to have 1v1s in the open world.

See, in your scenario I have less of an issue with. That type of thing doesn’t bother me as much, honestly. Although it is still my ‘preference’ that all pvp be in the mists or at least separate from pve as it was in gw1.

However, your scenario is not the most common one. You’re going to see a lot more of the crap you get in Goldshire, than the way you envision it. People standing around not playing the game. People harassing others that simply don’t want to duel. People talking kitten because now not only are they not the right class, or have the right armor (or weapon or wtfe), but because they won’t duel either.

I can see loading being an issue for some. Especially if you have to go do the mists, and then to the arena. Maybe a middle ground could be found.

I definitely spent more than enough time in WoW, but i dont get this “Goldshire” problem. First of all, if you were looking specifically to duel, you would go to the gates right outside ironforge or orgrimmar. That is where people would sit and duel all day.

You were in Goldshire for…like 10 levels at the max? But it was such a nuisance that people in one area, for a brief period of time, during that one instance you were playing, spammed the duel prompt, so that no other game should have dueling be allowed?

dadamowsky.4692:

Ah yes, duels topic. I alway wonder about one thing about this duel “problem”… what for? All this ruckus just to keep some people busy while waiting for the last party member? I’d say it’s far than not enough if we take all the downsides of dueling present (as mentioned above and in all threads of this sort).

The only downside i’ve heard is people don’t like declining duels for whatever reason. If you want to argue that it fosters a poor community, i would say there is no empirical backing of this mentality and it’s all just carebear hyperbole.

I mean, if you don’t like dueling, don’t do it. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal that you feel the need to deny content to people if its content you don’t plan on using it.

Open PvP requires factions to make sense. There is no faction war by design. Thus, there is no open PvP by design. Dueling is another matter. I have no problem with dueling if:

• There is an auto-decline duels option
• There is an unlimited ignore list just in case I get a lot of tools whispering me, “Why you no duel me, you afraid?”
• The duels can only take place in certain areas, so duelers cannot use dueling to annoy people crafting, at the TP, at the bank, who want to RP or whatever else. As long as I can go places duelers cannot duel if I want to, it would be OK with me.

@Scrambles
“Carebear?” Haha, thank you for providing the great examples for “why not”. That’s the exact reason why people would like to avoid the duels even as an option – the attitude of the duelists. Whole the spamming, whoring around and crowding the gates. Just like it was stated (and ignored by you) in this and every single thread of such sort. Yes, it is an issue, just like any irritating little things, no matter if it is a duelists spam or gold sellers spam.

Like I said, more than enough.

@IndigoSundown

The duels can only take place in certain areas, so duelers cannot use dueling to annoy people crafting, at the TP, at the bank, who want to RP or whatever else. As long as I can go places duelers cannot duel if I want to, it would be OK with me.

I agree with you. However this makes a dueling simply a… sPVP. And the reason why I wonder why do people cry for duels if there’s whole system of structured PVP, designed (I care to say, as one of bests in MMO games) solely to serve this purpose.

I would be completely happy to have duels any where at any time, if it would just put a stop these threads every couple of days. It’s been asked, discussed, argued, talked about and any thing else you can possibly think of it, enough is enough. There is an active thread in the suggestions forum where this thread will be moved/merged to as it does not belong here, just like all the other threads day after day, after day, after day.
I agree with Tosha, a dead horse is right. Enough already.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Open PvP requires factions to make sense. There is no faction war by design. Thus, there is no open PvP by design. Dueling is another matter. I have no problem with dueling if:

• There is an auto-decline duels option
• There is an unlimited ignore list just in case I get a lot of tools whispering me, “Why you no duel me, you afraid?”
• The duels can only take place in certain areas, so duelers cannot use dueling to annoy people crafting, at the TP, at the bank, who want to RP or whatever else. As long as I can go places duelers cannot duel if I want to, it would be OK with me.

i think this would be the best way to go about it. I would change “duels can only take place in certain areas” to “duels CANT take place in certain areas, such as TP, the bank, etc.”

dadamowsky.4692:

@Scrambles
“Carebear?” Haha, thank you for providing the great examples for “why not”. That’s the exact reason why people would like to avoid the duels even as an option – the attitude of the duelists. Whole the spamming, whoring around and crowding the gates. Just like it was stated (and ignored by you) in this and every single thread of such sort. Yes, it is an issue, just like any irritating little things, no matter if it is a duelists spam or gold sellers spam.

I agree that carebear is an inflammatory term, and i should avoid using it to upset you carebears (haha j/k).

But really, avoiding introducing new content because it would upset the zen-nature of the perfect community is totally carebear rhetoric. You’re afraid of change and competition. It’s the same mentality of the people that won’t be bothered to allow DPS meters because they think it’ll throw the community into some gear-score hellhole.

If you want another example, i’ll use SAB. Personally i couldn’t be bothered with it. It wasn’t interesting and it wasn’t for me. Would i argue to deny it to people that enjoy that type of content? Of course not. I’ll play my way you play yours. The impact of our two worlds colliding is negligible, but is negatively exaggerated by carebear rhetoric, and fear of returning to the “dark ages of WoW”

kitanas.3596:

Cruserd.9230:

ofc theres a system to stop people killing low level people , in every pvp system theres a penalty for people who kills low people or random guys… theres no point for getting gear. and Kitanas you didnt explain me why this dont work.

there is no reason it doesn’t work, but the consensus of the forums is that we don’t want it in our game

Who are you to speak for the entirety of the forum? even if the entire forum were against the idea, those who frequent it make up only a small percentage of the gw2 population. Please don’t be so arrogant as to assume that your views constitute the majority. I for one would love to see this sort of system implemented.

So instead of going into an area where you will be faced by people full expecting to defend themselves you want to grieve those that are just there to have a good time?

No thanks, even with an option to turn off dueling, I FIRMLY believe you and players like you want this to be default off in the options so that you can still catch a few unaware players. Grow a pair and enter PvP or WvW if you want to but leave those that want it to their PvE.

ANet give these guys an arena already, if not for any other reason as making these threads stop.

Dueling is fun! Just add a toggle for duel-ability and we can all be happy. While your at it, party v party and GvG ‘duels’ would be great too. Yes, there is the mist… but to challenge friends in the open world would be fantastic. (perhaps no duels in citys… ie. LA)

Adding features can only help the longevity of the game. If there was truely a consensus against duels.. would this thread and the thousands of others even exist?

Tommyknocker.6089:

So instead of going into an area where you will be faced by people full expecting to defend themselves you want to grieve those that are just there to have a good time?

No thanks, even with an option to turn off dueling, I FIRMLY believe you and players like you want this to be default off in the options so that you can still catch a few unaware players. Grow a pair and enter PvP or WvW if you want to but leave those that want it to their PvE.

ANet give these guys an arena already, if not for any other reason as making these threads stop.

Dueling is generally a consensual activity between two responsible adults.

@ Scrambles: An arena would solve that nicely then. No fuss no muss, enter if you want to or don’t; very consensual.

Imagine the possibilities of allowing players/parties/guilds to challenge in the open world… keep the griefing at bay with toggle and limits to location. I think it would be VERY fun! I’d love battle players in the amazing PVE environments!

The arenas are a good start.

We already have casual PvP:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Costume_brawl

If they allowed open world PvP it doesn’t make much sense.
Let’s say someone starts up a fight near a Dynamic Event.
Do the combatants agro the nearby animals or mobs?
Does the damage from either the PvP or the PvE activities affect one another?

If they don’t, if the PvP doesn’t affect the Event or vice versa, then what’s the point of having PvP in a area which doesn’t need it in the first place?

I don’t mind there being duels in the PvP designated zones called the Mists, but having it in PvE areas just doesn’t make sense. Let’s just call this what it really should be: Some folks want bigger more different maps to PvP. That’s okay to say, in fact it is a logical desire.

Tommyknocker.6089:

@ Scrambles: An arena would solve that nicely then. No fuss no muss, enter if you want to or don’t; very consensual.

It depends on if you got to use your PvE char or your sPvP char. AFAIK, you can do custom spvp matches now and do 1v1s, so that already exists. But i could careless about my sPvP char, i spent all my time on my PvE char.

Another reason, which is a little harder to articulate, is the dissociative nature of being removed from the area and placed in an instance. If someone approaches me when i’m just carrying on by myself, and requests a duel, i’d be more likely to engage them if i could just carry on about my business afterwards. But if i have to be ported to another instance, that just completely take me out of it.

Personally, I never realized how important open worlds were until i played the heavily instanced SWTOR. You lose a significant level of immersion when the world stops appearing so seamless.

Scrambles.2604:

Personally, I never realized how important open worlds were until i played the heavily instanced SWTOR. You lose a significant level of immersion when the world stops appearing so seamless.

Then they should allow duels in WvW.

Lorgus.6148:

kitanas.3596:

Cruserd.9230:

ofc theres a system to stop people killing low level people , in every pvp system theres a penalty for people who kills low people or random guys… theres no point for getting gear. and Kitanas you didnt explain me why this dont work.

there is no reason it doesn’t work, but the consensus of the forums is that we don’t want it in our game

Who are you to speak for the entirety of the forum? even if the entire forum were against the idea, those who frequent it make up only a small percentage of the gw2 population. Please don’t be so arrogant as to assume that your views constitute the majority. I for one would love to see this sort of system implemented.

does the president of the united states speak for all americans? I do not claim to speak for the whole forum, just reporting that the majoraty of forum poster (who do not constitute a majority of GW2 players) seems to be against adding dueling.

Scrambles.2604:

I agree that carebear is an inflammatory term, and i should avoid using it to upset you carebears (haha j/k).

But really, avoiding introducing new content because it would upset the zen-nature of the perfect community is totally carebear rhetoric. You’re afraid of change and competition. It’s the same mentality of the people that won’t be bothered to allow DPS meters because they think it’ll throw the community into some gear-score hellhole.

If you want another example, i’ll use SAB. Personally i couldn’t be bothered with it. It wasn’t interesting and it wasn’t for me. Would i argue to deny it to people that enjoy that type of content? Of course not. I’ll play my way you play yours. The impact of our two worlds colliding is negligible, but is negatively exaggerated by carebear rhetoric, and fear of returning to the “dark ages of WoW”

No, I’m not afraid of change and competition. Your assumptions just strengthen the feeling that you really represent the attitude we’re against for. Which is the exact reason why we are against for dueling. There’s nothing more.

FYI I’d rather say that I like PvP – both world and structured. PvP that you and all the players have access anytime, from anywhere. Without bothering devs for unnecessary mod and community with this topic over and over and over… and over again.