Guild Wars 2

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

I love Anet’s idea of a casual game…don’t you.

Problem is the challenge is around every single corner in the new maps while it should if remained in just raids and fractals. Open world pve just kinda became not as much fun.

Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

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Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Sylent.3165:

Problem is the challenge is around every single corner in the new maps while it should if remained in just raids and fractals. Open world pve just kinda became not as much fun.

No the problem is that instead of actually making challenging content, they just lazily made content that is DIE unless you have “X”, that’s not challenging, that’s just lazy .

And then people circle-jerk and praise for such “Good Content”

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Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

I set foot into PvE for the first time in a while and was disappointed with the new mobs. Still far too easy.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I set foot into PvE for the first time in a while and was disappointed with the new mobs. Still far too easy.

When your content is either too “Easy” or “Have X Mastery or Die” there is a problem .

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

If I remember right.. maybe cc boss to stop it might help you.

Takoyakii.2146:

Maikky.8526:

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

If I remember right.. maybe cc boss to stop it might help you.

Nope, locked

I’m not breaking a breakbar cause who cares, wait i’m getting oneshotted… Blame A-Net

Takoyakii.2146:

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

If I remember right.. maybe cc boss to stop it might help you.

Actually ran into this boss today. When you get that smoke on you, you are downed when timer on it runs out. He also stealths so he is hard to even follow around to even try to CC. His description mentioned something about his stealth but he did it so much I couldn’t even follow it. Didn’t get much sleep though so I may just be braindead atm.. Only thing I can think of is we need some mastery . There seems to be lots of mushrooms where he is so it may be something to do with the mushrooms.

Anyone actually beat him and care to share?

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Try playing a zerker ele, everything will one shot you.

Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

Yeah that’s not challenging in my opinion that’s just cheesy gimmicks to give the illusion of difficulty. They should be working to implement more of the existing combat system (give mobs pulsing boons so they encourage stripping/corrupting etc) not less of it.

Maikky.8526:

No the problem is that instead of actually making challenging content, they just lazily made content that is DIE unless you have “X”, that’s not challenging, that’s just lazy .

And then people circle-jerk and praise for such “Good Content”

I absolutely agree.

That’s such a stupid way of doing things.

Same with the agony resistance. It’s a useless stat you only need for fractal. It doesn’t add any depth into the game, it’s just a value you HAVE TO increase to be able to play higher fractals.
You don’t need it anywhere else, it doesn’t do anything else. It’s just there to be able to withstand the agony damage which is only in fractals at certain points.

Why can’t I go high level fractal just because I want the challenge of it being harder to finish?
Why do I have to spend so much time or money onto something with doesn’t add any depth?

And while we’re at it, it sucks that A-Net is just making things harder by increasing numbers instead of actually working out ways to make it harder.

Dieing for the first time ever in World PvP against two or three mobs… It is awesome. I actually have to dodge as a Necro in PvE now.

On the south east of the first map on top of a mountain (need glider 2 to access after alliance copter is available), there is a mother of all legendary wyvern with x2 the size sitting there (probably because of my camera in that tight space). There is your challenge try solo it.

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Jip, zerkers are not having the best of times XD

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I set foot into PvE for the first time in a while and was disappointed with the new mobs. Still far too easy.

I think the problem is mostly with the scaling. Players can still out number the max scaling making content pretty easy. However I’ve had a few encounters with only 4-5 other people and those were pretty fun.

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Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

Or you can take 0 damage, that’s truth if you didn’t catch it. If you’re still unclear, I can explain it to you

they mean Challenging Content as big exp grinding nothing else

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

If I remember right.. maybe cc boss to stop it might help you.

Actually ran into this boss today. When you get that smoke on you, you are downed when timer on it runs out. He also stealths so he is hard to even follow around to even try to CC. His description mentioned something about his stealth but he did it so much I couldn’t even follow it. Didn’t get much sleep though so I may just be braindead atm.. Only thing I can think of is we need some mastery . There seems to be lots of mushrooms where he is so it may be something to do with the mushrooms.

Anyone actually beat him and care to share?

When stayed on him as much as possible, when his blue bar appeared we spammed CC. Damaged him and then repeated.

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Maikky.8526:

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Someone has and lived.

Yeah when Axemaster does 100,000+ unless your in shroud, that +50 toughness is totally going to block that

That’s sarcasm btw, if you didn’t catch it, maybe I have to explain to you

If I remember right.. maybe cc boss to stop it might help you.

Actually ran into this boss today. When you get that smoke on you, you are downed when timer on it runs out. He also stealths so he is hard to even follow around to even try to CC. His description mentioned something about his stealth but he did it so much I couldn’t even follow it. Didn’t get much sleep though so I may just be braindead atm.. Only thing I can think of is we need some mastery . There seems to be lots of mushrooms where he is so it may be something to do with the mushrooms.

Anyone actually beat him and care to share?

When stayed on him as much as possible, when his blue bar appeared we spammed CC. Damaged him and then repeated.

I only tried him once. I was busy trying to rez all the others and seemed that we just couldn’t get close to him enough since that smoke stuff seemed to be applied to us faster than I could rez all the downs lol

The problem, as it always has been, is severe class imbalance.

It’s utterly preposterous how easily I go down with ele and thief, while warrior and necro for the most part have have the ability to face tank large numbers of mobs, and with the proper builds have really good staying power.

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Any suggestions on gear to add 1.4 million HP?

Schurge.5194:

Dieing for the first time ever in World PvP against two or three mobs… It is awesome. I actually have to dodge as a Necro in PvE now.

Glad to see some people actually enjoy the new stuff lol

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Any suggestions on gear to add 1.4 million HP?

Add to this the trash mob mushrooms that can one shot Thieves/Ele/Mes etc.

The entire Jungle zone is full of mobs that spam attacks that one shot players. Just one mistake or miss timed dodge and your instantly out the fight.

That isn’t challenging group content as not even a healer can counter CHEESE like that. Grouping in challenging group content in MMO’s normally revolves around timing heals, keeping the trash CCed and making sure no one drops while watching the pattern of the boss.

In Guild Wars 2 Challenge is giving everything 1 shot attacks and GATING content off.

First. If everything is oneshotting you than you made something wrong. Many People are probably doing things in Zerker Gear, which IS Glass Cannon Gear.

Second: Look at the Enemy and its Level. If its Elite or LvL 84 then its overscaled because of too many Players at an Event.

Third: Learn your Enemies, watch them. See what they can do and use this to your Advantage. Knowing your Enemy here is Golden. If you don’t know what the Mobs can do and if you aren’t sure that you can survive it use Stats that give you a bit more Defense. Oh and Normal Mobs themselves don’t oneshot. I play a Thief and I never got oneshotted by a normal Mob ( not even the Snipers )

Fourth: The Axemaster Boss is hitting you for One Million. But this is Part of the Mechanic. I fought this one in the Beta and we got it killed frequently. And yes it had the same Ability. We used CC to interrupt the One Shot Cast. Now he has stealth and the Descriptions says that you should learn Nuoch Stealth Detection to find him, so unless you have Stealth Detection, don’t bother with him. ( Same with the Triple Boss/ Mushrooms and the Patriarch/ Updraft Gliding )

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Fourth: The Axemaster Boss is hitting you for One Million. But this is Part of the Mechanic. I fought this one in the Beta and we got it killed frequently. And yes it had the same Ability. We used CC to interrupt the One Shot Cast. Now he has stealth and the Descriptions says that you should learn Nuoch Stealth Detection to find him, so unless you have Stealth Detection, don’t bother with him. ( Same with the Triple Boss/ Mushrooms and the Patriarch/ Updraft Gliding )

Cool thanks for the tips. I thought it was tied to some mastery but he kept stealthing so much that I didn’t really get to read what mastery I needed.

As for the other mobs in maps so far only thing I’ve been having problems with is fire lol I’m running a guardian so I have some cleanse but man that burn is still OP hah

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Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

I’ve fought them all and have never been 1 hit, maybe your being to stationary while fighting? Maybe play more attention for AOE rings or observe what others are doing around you to know when to evade back to dodge them.

There is definitely not any undodgable one-hit mechanics in the new zones.

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And while we’re at it, it sucks that A-Net is just making things harder by increasing numbers instead of actually working out ways to make it harder.

Its not just ANet .. it happens in ALL MMOs everytime people cry for “moar challenge”.
Sadly i can write that in forums 10.000 times and nobody listens and i get only flamed
by the hardcore crowd. And only when its too late suddenly other players start to
write that the “moar challenge” is maybe not sooo great.

Oh also, we not only have more HPs here, we also have the “beeing disabled forever”
challenge when a shroom and a beetle vet play bowling with you in a small way
where you can’t dodge and lie on the floor till dead.

Victuswolf.5286:

The entire Jungle zone is full of mobs that spam attacks that one shot players. Just one mistake or miss timed dodge and your instantly out the fight.

Isn’t an encounter where you have to know what you are doing and act on that knowledge with good timing, without mistake, the essence of challenge and skill based play?

A mob where you can ignore or not execute techniques properly and still win is kind of the antithesis of skill based play and challenge.

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Victuswolf.5286:

The entire Jungle zone is full of mobs that spam attacks that one shot players. Just one mistake or miss timed dodge and your instantly out the fight.

Isn’t an encounter where you have to know what you are doing and act on that knowledge with good timing, without mistake, the essence of challenge and skill based play?

A mob where you can ignore or not execute techniques properly and still win is kind of the antithesis of skill based play and challenge.

The problem is, that in open world you have also often respawns while you fight.
So what would work pretty good in an instance, where you have place to dodge
and have maybe cleared the surrounding area before a hard fight, doesn’t work
in open world where you maybe also have cleared the area, then start the fight
and then when that mushroom knocked you down and you just stand up and
wantt to continue, a beetle vet spawns with 3 small beetles, that all knock you
down again and again .. and then the mushrooms knock you down again ..

yeah .. thats really much fun .. the challenge not to smash the keyboard into your
monitor.

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Ashen.2907:

Victuswolf.5286:

The entire Jungle zone is full of mobs that spam attacks that one shot players. Just one mistake or miss timed dodge and your instantly out the fight.

Isn’t an encounter where you have to know what you are doing and act on that knowledge with good timing, without mistake, the essence of challenge and skill based play?

A mob where you can ignore or not execute techniques properly and still win is kind of the antithesis of skill based play and challenge.

The problem is, that in open world you have also often respawns while you fight.
So what would work pretty good in an instance, where you have place to dodge
and have maybe cleared the surrounding area before a hard fight, doesn’t work
in open world where you maybe also have cleared the area, then start the fight
and then when that mushroom knocked you down and you just stand up and
wantt to continue, a beetle vet spawns with 3 small beetles, that all knock you
down again and again .. and then the mushrooms knock you down again ..

yeah .. thats really much fun .. the challenge not to smash the keyboard into your
monitor.

Solid point about respawn timers and mob density.

My point was specifically about his apparent concern about player failure to execute play tactics and mechanics.

Getting one shot isn’t challenging. Especially if there aren’t any dodge queues to avoid said hit, like on Legendary Wyvern in VB. When it does the fly by attacks that leave the acid on the ground, if you get hit by the fly by, you instantly go down, then die from the acid. No chance to even recover. The fly by has no tell, no marker, nothing. It just happens, and you have to be lucky it doesn’t target you, otherwise to bad, so sad, dead.

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Getting one shot isn’t challenging. Especially if there aren’t any dodge queues to avoid said hit, like on Legendary Wyvern in VB. When it does the fly by attacks that leave the acid on the ground, if you get hit by the fly by, you instantly go down, then die from the acid. No chance to even recover. The fly by has no tell, no marker, nothing. It just happens, and you have to be lucky it doesn’t target you, otherwise to bad, so sad, dead.

Anet just thought the game needs more RNG, didn’t have enough.

I love it. Open world feels like a video game now instead of a participation trophy queue.

I love that HoT is basically the Dark Souls of MMOs. However challenging content is only fun if it is designed fairly. Often times I will get one shotted out of nowhere by mobs without any sort of attack animation or red circle on the ground. That´s when challenging becomes unfair and frustrating.

I also wished Legendaries were gated behind hard content. Whenever I see someone with a Legendary I immediately think that guy is a no lifer that only farms the Silverwastes everyday and possesses no skill.

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Maikky.8526:

Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Any suggestions on gear to add 1.4 million HP?

Read my previous post.

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I love that HoT is basically the Dark Souls of MMOs. However challenging content is only fun if it is designed fairly. Often times I will get one shotted out of nowhere by mobs without any sort of attack animation or red circle on the ground. That´s when challenging becomes unfair and frustrating.

I also wished Legendaries were gated behind hard content. Whenever I see someone with a Legendary I immediately think that guy is a no lifer that only farms the Silverwastes everyday and possesses no skill.

Agreed, Personally i’m enjoying PvE in HoT more than I ever have.

They do need to fix some of the telegraphing/indicators for some of the mobs though. One of my biggest gripes so far has been with one of the hero points in Auric Basin, it was a mushroom boss, Champion Mushroom King I believe. Basically, he has this jump-headbutt attack that does a ton of damage and knocks down, but the red circle for it always appears right at his feet, while the attack itself usually directly targets you. If you are fighting him with 2 or more people, it’s impossible to tell exactly who he will go for because his attack direction isn’t properly indicated.

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Unblockable, undodgeable one shots

What a game

If you’re getting one shot, you’re either doing something wrong or need to change your gear.

Someone hasn’t fought any of the canopy champions

Try playing a zerker ele, everything will one shot you.

Don’t talk about the ele, it’s bad luck (always getting nerfed).

You could try sPvP, it’s the fairest game mode by far due to everyone being on a level playing field except as far as skill and team coordination goes. Sure not all classes are created equal (teams of four eles are part of the meta for example or two eles and two engis for certain region rules preventing only one or two classes on a team) but what’s stopping you from rolling an OP class and getting some practice in on it with hotjoins?

If you lose you know it’s because your team was simple outplayed, losing isn’t fun but at least you have that understanding. No problem, people not on your team have to win sometimes too statistically speaking, but in PvE you can get swarmed with mobs and it isn’t fair how you can’t even fight a group of four or five in Silverwaste since you don’t have the resources to deal with them except for getting away. One isn’t a problem, just time your dazes (I’m on sword/dagger thief in PvE) and watch for back, shortbow #4 on the menders to cripple their healing output and watch them melt (gets hard at times if it’s scaled up though), watch teagariff tells and use the daze timing. But it’s rare to 1v1 a mordrem the pressure is too cheap dogs will just chase you off your target anyway, and menders will undo all your progress by healing them when you get away. None of that matters in a good map where everything melts, but still have to make the best of your maps.

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Schurge.5194:

Dieing for the first time ever in World PvP against two or three mobs… It is awesome. I actually have to dodge as a Necro in PvE now.

Glad to see some people actually enjoy the new stuff lol

Yeah I love/hate it as well. Walked into VB and immediately engaged two vets and some “pocket raptors” and was met with — HOLY kitten DO THESE HIT HARD — barely making it out alive. Since then I realize zerk gear isn’t a great idea and I LOVE that I can consider other stat types in world pve without feeling ashamed that I don’t instant 1shot everything.

The hatred I have comes from my age long mental battle with being knocked down in video games and how it seems to be a freakin theme in HoT!!!!!&&)&@$?

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Getting one shot isn’t challenging. Especially if there aren’t any dodge queues to avoid said hit, like on Legendary Wyvern in VB. When it does the fly by attacks that leave the acid on the ground, if you get hit by the fly by, you instantly go down, then die from the acid. No chance to even recover. The fly by has no tell, no marker, nothing. It just happens, and you have to be lucky it doesn’t target you, otherwise to bad, so sad, dead.

You CAN see it coming but you have to also be paying attention to the sky. For the few times I don’t see him flying towards me I often burst out into laughter as I see my characters face melt to the floor HAHAHAHAH. Great times.

For those confused about the axemaster you need someone in the fight with level 3 frog mastery for stealth detection. This will reveal him while he is casting his insta death mark, which can then be break bar broken to stop the attack. If no one can reveal him then you can’t see him and you can’t break his bar and you WILL die.

Give it a few more days until people have unlocked some more masteries and this fight is actually quite easy. (beat it in beta)

If you’re one shot, you do it wrong.
One-shot skill are not new in the game…

Just learn them and dodge them or avoid being in range.

I already did 4 out of 5 canopy bosses for the one who answer to others by telling they didn’t get in the canopy ;)

Or you can bring an Engie with anti stealth skills, Sneak Gyro toolbelt or Lock On.

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Getting one shot isn’t challenging. Especially if there aren’t any dodge queues to avoid said hit, like on Legendary Wyvern in VB. When it does the fly by attacks that leave the acid on the ground, if you get hit by the fly by, you instantly go down, then die from the acid. No chance to even recover. The fly by has no tell, no marker, nothing. It just happens, and you have to be lucky it doesn’t target you, otherwise to bad, so sad, dead.

You can jump off the platform and glide around it during this phase to avoid the acid/fire entirely.

If you don’t have updraft yet just stay near the middle, keep moving, and dodge once you see the line of acid start on one edge of the platform. You’ll have time to dodge it, it moves across the platform in a line, it’s not instant.

If you are having trouble with the new content, spend a few hours/days rethinking your build/gear. Spend some time playing against the new mobs and mechanics and learn how to counter them. The new specs, and all the changes over the past 2 years add up and there are alot of new possibilities.

If you go in with a kitten build using the wrong weapon types you are going to have a hard time. I spent the first half of the first new zone getting insta-downed trying to run in and melee packs of mobs. Having good DPS, and knowing when to use ranged and when to melee makes a world of difference.

Conditions seem very powerful right now, Ive been testing builds with all the heavy classes and they do extremely well in most situations.

Prior to HoTs a single veteran was a pain in the kitten to kill with my old playstyle, now fighting multiple vets at the same time is very possible for most mob types. Bottom line: adapt, or suffer.