Champ Trains - Are they a problem?
No, it’s not a problem. I prefer running the Champ train against justifying my existence to a bunch of sell-appointed dungeon gate-keepers who insist that I must have 10,000+ AP points and more zerker gear than you could shake an armoury at.
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The champ train isn’t a disease – it’s a symptom. The problem is a major deficiency in the entire rewards-distribution system.
No, they are not a problem. They have not been a problem in the other 65 threads on the subject either.
They are a problem only if the behavior of those zergs turns completely vile and comes to represent an association to the player base as a whole. THEN maybe you can say the train in Queensdale might not be a good thing.
But I honestly see no reason that is a prevalent thought.
They’re a problem when they think suddenly they can do level 20+ Fractals.
You can’t. You’re a level 80 milking a tutorial zone designed to train newbies. Just… just stay.
Yes, in that they highlight the fact that running a loop and killing the same 4-5 champs for hours on end is the most rewarding activity this game has to offer.
They are a problem only if the behavior of those zergs turns completely vile and comes to represent an association to the player base as a whole. THEN maybe you can say the train in Queensdale might not be a good thing.
But I honestly see no reason that is a prevalent thought.
Is it just the zerg train that turns vile? If the zerg started issuing death threats at random people who just killed a champ to kill it, that’s one thing – a really bad, vile thing. But quite a few of those who receive insults do, in fact, deserve them. Those who camp champions just to grief the zerg are worse than the zerg could ever be.
Is it just the zerg train that turns vile? If the zerg started issuing death threats at random people who just killed a champ to kill it, that’s one thing – a really bad, vile thing. But quite a few of those who receive insults do, in fact, deserve them. Those who camp champions just to grief the zerg are worse than the zerg could ever be.
Well… personally… grief away. The champions don’t exist for the zerg. If they are active, they are free for all. If a party of 5-6 is killing champs before the zerg gets there, too kitten bad. They have just as much right to it as you. The zerg has no right to start hurling abuse.
Is it just the zerg train that turns vile? If the zerg started issuing death threats at random people who just killed a champ to kill it, that’s one thing – a really bad, vile thing. But quite a few of those who receive insults do, in fact, deserve them. Those who camp champions just to grief the zerg are worse than the zerg could ever be.
Well… personally… grief away. The champions don’t exist for the zerg. If they are active, they are free for all. If a party of 5-6 is killing champs before the zerg gets there, too kitten bad. They have just as much right to it as you. The zerg has no right to start hurling abuse.
This strikes me as weak logic. These aren’t players who are simply enjoying the game or playing it their way. These are players who are fully aware that there is a large subset of the community who farms these mobs – many of whom, in the case of Queensdale, are simply sick of leveling their alts – and decided to intentionally hinder their playing experience for no other reason than for kicks or to draw out reactions from a few players in the zerg (the toxic minority of the zerg). It is objectively griefing and objectively toxic. They aren’t playing their way – they are simply ruining the experience of other players.
It’s not a matter of who has the right to the mobs. It’s a matter of who is being a bad person.
You’re projecting behavior that may or may not be always true.
Guess what? If I’m in a group and a champion appears… where that zone’s zerg is currently is the least of my concerns. And someone in map chat screaming at me to “Wait for the zerg, f****r!” is going to be met with “No.”
Don’t like it? Too bad. You can’t claim a champ by kittening on me.
For the record, that sort of exchange only happened once in my entire experience, while in Frostgorge. The usual response from the zerg is to shrug and move on, which I have no problem with.
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No, they are not a problem.
The reasons as to why that is the case have been explained over and over and over in the other threads created on the very same topic.
Not sure we really needed yet another one.
Interjecting on the whole attitude debate thing. Whilst you do get some people specifically trying to “grief” the train. For the main part, if someone kills a champ outside of the train, then 99.99999% of the people in the train say nothing about it and simply get on with it.
If you want to try and kill a champ before the train gets to it, more power to you. If you do it intentionally just to p&^s people off, then well, it’s a bit lame but that’s your perogative. Most will ignore it, some will bite and yell a bit, c’est la vie.
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Is it just the zerg train that turns vile? If the zerg started issuing death threats at random people who just killed a champ to kill it, that’s one thing – a really bad, vile thing. But quite a few of those who receive insults do, in fact, deserve them. Those who camp champions just to grief the zerg are worse than the zerg could ever be.
Well… personally… grief away. The champions don’t exist for the zerg. If they are active, they are free for all. If a party of 5-6 is killing champs before the zerg gets there, too kitten bad. They have just as much right to it as you. The zerg has no right to start hurling abuse.
This strikes me as weak logic. These aren’t players who are simply enjoying the game or playing it their way. These are players who are fully aware that there is a large subset of the community who farms these mobs – many of whom, in the case of Queensdale, are simply sick of leveling their alts – and decided to intentionally hinder their playing experience for no other reason than for kicks or to draw out reactions from a few players in the zerg (the toxic minority of the zerg). It is objectively griefing and objectively toxic. They aren’t playing their way – they are simply ruining the experience of other players.
It’s not a matter of who has the right to the mobs. It’s a matter of who is being a bad person.
Simple, spouting insults over nonsense like that is being THE bad person. Don’t assume people go out of their way to inconvenience you for its own sake.
You’re projecting behavior that may or may not be always true.
Guess what? If I’m in a group and a champion appears… where that zone’s zerg is currently is the least of my concerns. And someone in map chat screaming at me to “Wait for the zerg, f****r!” is going to be met with “No.”
Don’t like it? Too bad. You can’t claim a champ by kittening on me.
We’re talking about two different things here.
If I’m not mistaken, you’re referring to simply being in a group and killing a champion because you want to do that content. Go ahead. Nothing wrong with that. You’ve kittened some people off, but that wasn’t your intention or your goal. You’ve got that right and don’t deserve any hate for it – though, unfortunately, you’ll probably get it from a few bad apples in the champ train.
If, on the other hand, you were camping that champion just to kitten the zerg off, then well… you suck. There’s no moral grayness to that. You’d just be terrible.
Nope, silly grinds result in silly solutions.
If you’re going to make us walk a route of grindy vertical progression, then don’t blame people driving on the highway.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
for there you have been and there you will long to return.