beside of the fact that every 2nd skin/outfit for female characters is literally bursting with skin ^^ if it only would affect your toughness, i wonder how many will still run around nearly naked no offense, mesmer kinda fits it for example.
Asura and charr have certain characteristics (like eyes and face in general) which indicate their gender. but thats it ^^ i dont mind in the heat of the battle, but when it comes to details, people go nuts
Yes, Please change it. {As someone who mains an asura and has mostly asura…}
It just looks plain awkward on female Asura and Charr.
Asura more-so because well… Asura look weird with breasts. The other female outfits you have released for Asura are done so nicely and in a way that still emphasizes their flat chest, flatteringly. Why can’t you do that for this armor as well? I think the mesh is fine if it were just flattened like outfits are…
As for the Charr, that’s just plain weird, seeing as it has already been stated that a charr’s anatomy includes six nops.
If I had to choose between male or female for this though, just please give me the male version… :c Please no boobplates -sobs-
My problem is not whether my female Asura has armor based on the male or the female one.
My problem is this: Those were both designed for humans.
Why do I not get armor made for Asura? Why is there even a debate over the boobies when it makes no sense in the context of Asura to even consider those?
What would be an even better solution would be to fit armor more towards the culture of each race rather than slapping on a design that was only created with human characters in mind. It you guys want to design armor sets that are different for female Asura and Charr then you have to cater to the differences in those races.
And while you are at it could you please fix the way Charr tails clips through the armor? These are precursors and its a little silly that there is tail clipping on something meant to be truly special.
Yes,
It looks absolutely ridiculous on charr and asurans. Please also consider getting the medium armor redone? ;n; It’s got like everything hated about medium armor, Bras with claws, buttcapes, Big clunky shoulders, frilly shoulders attached to chest piece that aren’t removable, and a headpiece that hides hair.
Or y’know actually have armor designed to fit the race, i’m all for feminine armor for charrs and asurans but you can’t slap human armor on them and call it a day.
I really want to see more female armor for Asura and Charr instead of the male on. There have been so many sets and outfits where the female one looked way better than the male one but as Asura female you only got the male outfit. I see the problem so. The breast plate just doesn’t look good here and would probably not fit in many other cases. That’s why I want to stick with the lore to not have breasts on Asura and Charr. Therefor I think the best approach would be to give Asura and Charr female the female armor with slightly altered chest piece.
But I honestly don’t think this will happen. It would be so nice but if it was that easy you from arena net would have done this long ago. I still hope this will happen someday.
And here I have a question. Did I understand this correct that in this case the approach would be to keep the female version of the armor and only exchange the chest piece? If so I am now curious how the result would look like. Maybe this would be an option for future armor to give Asura and Charr a feminine version without breaking lore, of course depending on the result of the change.
But again as stated I would wish for future and even old armor to have the female version with adequate changes to the chest part to fit Asura and Charr females.
I really don’t think it looks good (personal opinion), but more importantly I think it doesn’t fit the body morphology of those two races. It set a bad precedent for any future asura or charr armors.
I would prefer that those future armors (particularly those hard-to get legendary armors) have a design for each races, like those T1/2/3 cultural armors which are IMO the standard to achieve in the game. But I understand it’s probably too time consuming. (Although it’s legendary armors…). But at the very least, no boobplates on races who do not have boobs.
+1 on the male version. It looks weird and out of place on characters that have no visible cupping without armor. Makes the impression that female charr and asura just sorta have to pick stuff off the ground and try fit it on more apparent. It’s supposed to be a precursor to a perfect armor, it shouldn’t look ill-fitting.
After seeing first page of this thread on the female charr + asura I kind of cringed back… as it currently stands it looks very awkward and out of place for race(s) that don’t have visual breasts in the first place.
Yes. Myself, like a lot of people whose opinions I’ve heard really aren’t happy with it. This is Legendary armor, it’s supposed to be awesome and something to strive for. So far I’m not motivated at all to get it, and this is a big reason for it.
Furthermore, like someone a few posts above me mentioned, some diversity on Legendary armor would be fantastic! Cultural armors feel special, they feel fitting and great. It’d be fantastic if this felt that way as well. I understand that it’s time consuming, that there’s a TON of work just to get one armor set out there, but this is endgame content, so it should feel like it.
or change the boobplate more squareshaped, like tube tank tops? It will actually look flat on asura/charr, still feminine but not particularly highlighting The Holy Existence of Boobs.
No, please dont change it. Light and medium experimental envoy armor are one of the few armors that have a more skimpy look on female asura. Please dont change it back to another generic thing wich covers up the whole body.
Edit: btw why doesnt get this a poll like the wvw topics aswell?
One wold think that a high-profile armor like a legendary precursor would be done better than just copypasting the human model on other races. But if race-specific variations (which would include adapting it for racial physiology, like asuran ears and toes, charr tail and horns etc) are just too much for the overworked Anet devs, then yes, change to male version would have to suffice.
(that saying, the light and medium sets definitely qualify for complete do-overs at this point. And that’s including the male version)
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While I’m generally not against female Charr and Asura having a different armor look from their male counterparts, I agree that the boobplate for them just looks bizarrely out of place. (Particularly on female Asura. It kinda makes me feel like I’m looking at a little girl wearing a bra. REALLY icky. >.>)
Please change it, or have a toggle for male/female. It just looks ridiculous on both races, especially Charr.
And as others here have mentioned, why is charr tail clipping and asura ears disappearing still happening? It’s been a problem since launch. I can understand not going back and fixing old armours where it happens as it would be a lot of work I imagine. But bringing out new armours with the tails and ears unaccounted for is pretty lazy.
No, let players decide if they want breastplate or not, make it OPTIONAL, do not force a vision to everyone, expecially if you have already made it.
Also please, can you fix the outfits for female asura?
Expecially the noble dress that is the exact same as male, is awfull, make it similar to female human/sylvary.
Simply slapping on male version for charr and asura and calling it a day is a cheap and lazy solution that your outfit team often resort to. Yes-do change it so that there are no humanoid breast parts, but give another, different feminine version for them. Please stop with the whole humanoid-or-nothing armor designs.
Yes, or a whole new design for those races at the chest area.
I think the issue to me personally would be it does not match up with the anatomy. The human anatomy is simply not the same to the charr or asura. This armor actually creates something that does not exist. I do not mind this whole female/male discussion, for me it’s really based on the anatomy of the race.
While I like to see more feminine options for Charrs and Asura, I don’t think adding the cups do give that armor that option. It doesn’t make sense to “put a focus” on a body part that a race doesn’t have that way, and it doesn’t really fit to that races neither. It doesn’t look more feminine – as it was intended – it looks like it’s trying to copy a female human. I’d much rather have the male versions than the cups if we only have those two options.
While we’re at it: Is there a specific reason for the human female armors chests (light/medium) to be close to being “just bras”, whilst the male versions don’t show any skin besides the face and the fingertips? I don’t like that my female human gets so much less clothing than my malefrom the same armor – and in the case of the heavy armor you even did everything right in both matters!
Yes please, change it to the male version, it look ridiculous, considering the Charr are mostly a race of soldiers, and legendary armour has them running round in a metal bikini, and the medium one quite frankly looks like a belly dancer’s outfit.
Speaking of medium legendary armour, please put a “tail flap” on the trenchcoat, also, the light armour’s trenchcoat has no cloth physics, its a rigid object.
Yes, please; change it to the male version for asura and charr.
(Not even going to suggest to do the same for humanoids, but that would be so great…)
As it is, I have zero motivation to get the armour at all. If the experimental set is hinting at the general shape and design for the finished armour, I have no desire to work my butt off and spend atrocious amounts of gold for a metal bra that’ll puncture your liver when you bend over and a bizarre skirt that completely throws of a character’s silhouette if combined with the aforementioned bra :/ If it looks like something that’s somewhat reasonable to wear on non-humanoid races, there’s at least a decent chance I can use the set.
(For the record, the heavy set is fine…ish. It doesn’t look great, but it’s a precursor to a precursor so that’s to be expected, but at least it looks a) like armour and b) the same on both genders. What little interest I could muster for maybe getting the set…one day… eventually… if I feel like it and have gold to burn… came from that set. But I main light classes on both accounts, so… yeah.)
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Yesterday we released the precursor of ascended armor. For the Charr and Asura female armor we adapted the female-variant breastplate, flattened out, but still with cups. You’ve rightly pointed out that it looks incongruent with Charr and Asura female anatomy.
We sometimes adapt male-variant and sometimes female-variant armor to use with female Charr and Asura, depending on what looks right for the armor in question. In this case it looks like a male-variant precursor breastplate, which would lead to the male-variant legendary breastplate, would be more in line with what we all expect for Charr and Asura female armor.
Today is one day after release; you’re presumably not that attached to your Charr and Asura female precursor armor yet. Would you like us to swap out the female-variant breastplate for a male-variant one?
Mo
Yes, change it. This boob armor goes against the spirit of those two races and certainly does not belong on a legendary/legendary precursor of all things. There are plenty of fun outfits for the minority who wants a more feminine look for their Charr or Asura.
The problem here is that there is a big difference between femininity and sexuality. I should be able to have a feminine looking asura without human style breasts. Just because asura aren’t structured in the same way as a human female, doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t be allowed to look pretty. The wedding dress was the first real thing we got like this and I love it, however because it is an outfit I don’t wear it that much. I like my helm and shoes. But I always get a little depressed when other races get beatific flowing clothing options and I’m stuck with a bland male version because asura don’t have boobs.
I love that asura and charr have non human designs, but expressing my femininity shouldn’t be confined to my cup size.
Yesterday we released the precursor of ascended armor. For the Charr and Asura female armor we adapted the female-variant breastplate, flattened out, but still with cups. You’ve rightly pointed out that it looks incongruent with Charr and Asura female anatomy.
We sometimes adapt male-variant and sometimes female-variant armor to use with female Charr and Asura, depending on what looks right for the armor in question. In this case it looks like a male-variant precursor breastplate, which would lead to the male-variant legendary breastplate, would be more in line with what we all expect for Charr and Asura female armor.
Today is one day after release; you’re presumably not that attached to your Charr and Asura female precursor armor yet. Would you like us to swap out the female-variant breastplate for a male-variant one?
The thing I love about this game is that the different races didn’t go the same way as other MMOs, where it doesn’t matter whether you’re beast, goblin, cat or dolphin female, you need to have boobs.
Asura and Charr females look more authentic thanks to this and IMO the experimental armor looks a little absurd on them now.
I’m all for the difference between the male and female versions, however the current version doesn’t fit them and male version would suit them better in my opinion.
I am an engineer – a pianist of destruction! Now please go back to standing in my AOE.
Charr and asura don’t have boobs… but the precursor armors could use some tweaking to look more feminine. Not sure how designers would go about that, this should spark an internal brainstorming for future releases IMO.
I actually love the way the female version shows off the arms-something I love about Charr that you don’t get to easily see very often is their fur pattern! BUT that chestplate does look out of place and extremely unattractive on races whose bodies do not support that silhouette. So, I vote for changing it to the male version at the least, or a reworked non-boob-specific top at the best.
Also would like to echo calls for fixed tail clipping, as a person who plays like, fifteen charr. They keep me coming back to this game.
Thanks for the consideration and the willingness to implement a change based on our feedback!
Akorn Oakheart, Engineer Extraordinaire
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I am torn between “Yes” and “No” here as an avid charr player. Please read each of my answers before counting what I am voting for.
Yes, ONLY if it’s a temporary hold over for a re-work of the female skins so that they are more in line with each of the races anatomy. Other wise…
NO, I am tired of asura and charr getting the short end of the armor design stick and while humorous that they are wearing human styled clothing it a refreshing change to the only one type of design for both genders. If I was to spend hours building each piece of the legendary armor, I would expect that it would look good for all races. This should be BETTER then the cultural armor and will need to reflect that at the very least. I am sure that this sharing of the current armor style is both to conserve resources on the client and work resources for building it.
The team Arenanet has is VERY talented and they can make some GREAT looking items. I know if given a bit more time and allowed to share a bit more resources for the game they could come up with a more visual appealing design for the armor. This worries me a bit because if this is the start of the legendary armor journey, I don’t think I would want to even start it.
Please, I beg of the design and modeling team to make the legendary armor be reflective in each of the races culture and not be just a re-used skin with effects added to it.
Thanks,
MegaManExpert
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No. They should not be male models, they should instead have their own racial female models. This is legendary armor we’re talking about, not just an armor skin. This is the most prestigious armor, female asura and charr should be worthy of their own modified models.
The best course is likely the expensive one for this situation, MO. Adapt the elements of the design into something more appropriate to Charr and Asura, but keep it feminine. The boobcups are silly, but they could probably be smoothed out and set on a chest wrap. Swapping to the male model, while appropriate by lore, would deny those who crave more feminine skins for their characters.
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no offense, mesmer kinda fits it for example.
