Guild Wars 2

It is very… frustrating / sad / pathetic to see tons of people afk-ing in the back or killing trash / random fauna when the rest are getting Feared / Knocked back / Killed.

I would not mind the pathetic leechers if the encounter would not have such mechanics like that stupid fear and the knockbacks.

What’s up AN? Is this the wonderful rewarding boss encounter that you planned to gift us with?

Why don’t you guys give a kitten?

It’s been 2 years, surely I am not the first one to bring this up?

If you are getting feared/knocked back/killed then you are doing the encounter wrong too.

Tips for the fight:

1. Get the Rocket Launcher in Phase 1. Right click on skill 1 so that it autofires.
2. Bind the Walk toggle (I use Q). If you are in range to shoot the ice wall, Walk mode should be on so that the fear doesn’t really move you at all.
3. Use skill 5 to negate damage/fear from ALL of the Claw’s attacks. If you MOVE before the block bar finishes, the skill is interrupted and only takes 5 seconds to CD rather than the full 20-30 (don’t recall which) seconds.

In Phase 2:
1. DO NOT SHOOT HIS FACE. Seriously. You aren’t helping.
2. Protect the Golems AT ALL COST. They are the only thing that can stun him, and only when he is stunned can you actually do meaningful DPS (now you can shoot his face).
3. The Flamethrowers are great because you get skill 5 again (blocking fear). They are also very effective against close range ice spears (which kill the Golems).
4. If you are a Mesmer, use Portal before running into the ice zone to DPS the Claw, that way you can portal yourself and your allies OUT of the ice zone when the stun is over.

You know you can counter the fear and knockback with skill 5 on the ‘zooka/flamethrower right? Or just use stability. But skill 5 (flame shield I think it’s called?) will also negate all damage from the Claw’s attacks.

A lot of people don’t like the mechanics of phase 1 of that encounter, which could be construed as crowd control. Unless you have endless stability you’re gonna be having a hard time.

I have some screenshots, some of which I’ve posted up here in a related thread about the idleness of these people in the background, while everyone else in the screen is trying to bring the wall down.

These people either just aren’t interested in phase 1, which I can completely understand – the whole encounter on that hill is ridiculous and the adds from the pre-events make it a hellish experience. I’ve suggested ways around this in previous threads but as usual, it gets lost in the endless pages of forum complaints.

The main reason I see these people hanging around is because they understand that at phase 2, champions are easy pickings for loot, which these particular champs do drop. During phase 1, barely any loot to be seen; phase 2, these people like to ‘help out’ at the back for their own gain because the champ train has either stalled, there isn’t one in that map or they’re taking a break. It’s rather selfish how they can’t assist in phase 1 because there’s no phase 2 without completion in phase 1.

One hand washes the other, folks. Even if your goal is to farm champs (and claim event credit and loot, which I think is wrong if you don’t partake in phase 1 as well), there’s no reason why you can’t assist others that eventually assist you.

Of course, the easy fix here is to abolish champ loot entirely from the event.

Yeah I know how to counter fear and knockback. I’m not the one dieing.
It’s just silly/stupid/cheap mechanics.

And I think that AN does not care and they should.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

You know you can counter the fear and knockback with skill 5 on the ‘zooka/flamethrower right? Or just use stability. But skill 5 (flame shield I think it’s called?) will also negate all damage from the Claw’s attacks.

….and as pointed out above, it should never go into full CD as you just have to slightly move before the shield ends naturally.

Yes the AFKers are annoying and I have never understood the mentality behind this type of “play” (other than simply lazy leeching).

They know they can get the full rewards by doing nothing. /shrug. Some people are going to take full advantage of that.

What ANet needs to think about is requiring a certain amount of effort before you get the reward. Right now the standard is ridiculously low. I got it once by reviving 2 people when passing through this event on an ori farm run. After the event ended I got the wiggle chest and the big chest. I didn’t hit a single mob or the Claw to get this, just ran through and revived 2 people.

Tweaking the boss abilities a bit would be easier and it would help the ones that actually give a kitten about finishing the fight faster.
IMO.

What say you AN?

I think Claw of Jormag is great as-is. We don’t need it dumbed down. You can’t do anything about leechers… I would only ask that champs be reverted back to not dropping loot during this event.

One thing I’d say on phase 1: Zerg is not always the best. I found it much more easier to stand away from the corwd, in the middle of icy area where I still can reach the wall with charrzooka; With standing there is easier to see where the ice spikes are going to hit and dodging them is much more easier. Only enough condi cures and stability in case of fear and that’s it.

The fight takes way too long and too much effort for the puny reward (big surprise there!) and it’s CC city which no one in the world enjoys

kitten .9460:

The fight takes way too long and too much effort for the puny reward (big surprise there!) and it’s CC city which no one in the world enjoys

Phase 1 would go quicker if people were in the center using their ranged weapons rather than stacking on the side using rockets. I don’t know why people decided to just AFK there while auto attacking but you get what you get based on the amount of effort you’re willing to put in.

Ayrilana.1396:

kitten .9460:

The fight takes way too long and too much effort for the puny reward (big surprise there!) and it’s CC city which no one in the world enjoys

Phase 1 would go quicker if people were in the center using their ranged weapons rather than stacking on the side using rockets. I don’t know why people decided to just AFK there while auto attacking but you get what you get based on the amount of effort you’re willing to put in.

I really wish they would tweak the map/fight so that stacking on the side wasn’t an option. I also wish that running bombs paid off.

It’s not just the Claw of Jormag fight where you see a lot of AFKers. I see them a lot too at Taidha Covington. They stand up on the hill and let everyone else run kegs and fight cannoneers. Then when the boss finally spawns, they hop down off the hill and join the fight.

They should make it so you get a +1 flag contribution for each mini-event you do and receive reward accordingly at the end depending on how many events you participated in.

Any feedback from someone from AN?

rhapsody.3615:

I think Claw of Jormag is great as-is. We don’t need it dumbed down. You can’t do anything about leechers… I would only ask that champs be reverted back to not dropping loot during this event.

I must say, i wouldn’t mind to reverse phase 1 back to what it was before people were
constantly crying that it was too easy and we need fail timers.

At that time we didn’t had that much fearspam, also i could stand with my ranger
with healing spring before the ice-wall and use my bow instead of the slow charzookas.

And no .. it wasn’t challenging .. but it simply was much less annoying and thus in the
end more fun to do phase 1 than what it is now.

Beldin.5498:

rhapsody.3615:

I think Claw of Jormag is great as-is. We don’t need it dumbed down. You can’t do anything about leechers… I would only ask that champs be reverted back to not dropping loot during this event.

I must say, i wouldn’t mind to reverse phase 1 back to what it was before people were
constantly crying that it was too easy and we need fail timers.

At that time we didn’t had that much fearspam, also i could stand with my ranger
with healing spring before the ice-wall and use my bow instead of the slow charzookas.

And no .. it wasn’t challenging .. but it simply was much less annoying and thus in the
end more fun to do phase 1 than what it is now.

Ranger with LB is much more efficient than charzooka for the ice wall. More damage and much more attack speed. With 1.5K range trait you can shoot at ~1.8K if you manually attack.

Mesket.5728:

Ranger with LB is much more efficient than charzooka for the ice wall. More damage and much more attack speed. With 1.5K range trait you can shoot at ~1.8K if you manually attack.

Yepp .. but after the changes when the ice crystals did much more damage, i simply
felt safer with my regen warrior and charzooka .. and it was again much more boring
and that why in the end i mostly just avoid phase 1 totally.

Sounds strange but in the end the “more challenge” thing just made it simply more boring.

what about it AN?