Guild Wars 2

I’m doing these personal story missions omg I’m a guardian stacking vitality, toughness and healing on every piece of gear I’ve got, I have 5 healing spells including my ultimate, I told myself I’ll kill everything slow but at least I won’t die.

Omg you have 5-6 enemies jump on you fear, knockdown, fear, knowckdown, kittens you’re at 20% health pop every heal rinse repeat you’re dead.

What is this? I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that. It’s like I’m playing world of warcraft PVP versus 6 players at the same time. There is no tactic in this game except hope somehow enemies ignore you and fight NPCs then pop all cooldowns, run away, pop all cooldowns, run away.

This also happens in outdoor combat in events, hearts etc. Combat needs BALANCE.

Bring a friend…mmo…just saying also cough cough zerker cough. First try?

Learn to play. As a guardian you have access to stabilities to keep from getting knocked down. You have Aegis, both from your Virtue and Retreat (if you choose to use it) to protect you. You have condi cleanses. You have an elite that lets you go invulnerable. You also have the ability to dodge. You also have a brain to work out when you need to disengage, where you need to stand to avoid over-agroing other mobs around you, and when to use your dodges/invuls/everything else.

Seriously. Take some time, change your skills, make sure you have gear within 10 levels of your character’s level, and keep trying until you find something to do that works.

I’ve had this problem all the way up to lvl 70, now I just tried defense of trinity fort you go to the lumber camp ok fine, then you get to the gate there’s like 14 enemies you try to get close forget about it, everybody wants to kill you.

Well, you’re in luck… They’re adding more difficult content in the expansion

On that story mission you should use the arrow cart that is sitting right outside said gate. Hope this helps.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Learn to play. As a guardian you have access to stabilities to keep from getting knocked down. You have Aegis, both from your Virtue and Retreat (if you choose to use it) to protect you. You have condi cleanses. You have an elite that lets you go invulnerable. You also have the ability to dodge. You also have a brain to work out when you need to disengage, where you need to stand to avoid over-agroing other mobs around you, and when to use your dodges/invuls/everything else.

Seriously. Take some time, change your skills, make sure you have gear within 10 levels of your character’s level, and keep trying until you find something to do that works.

This is ridiculous, I’m not an mmo newbie, I understand how aggro and mechanics work. My gear is all lvl 63+ and I’m doing a lvl 70 personal story. Every one of my abilities and traits is defense related, nothing is offensive compared to other choices I could pick. I have either healing abilities with damage or healing abilities with effect cleansing capabilities and defensive traits related to Aegis, healing or other.

I’m not talking about incompetence, I’m talking about being in a fight and reaching a point not even 30 seconds into the fight where you’ve been forced to use everything and you’re out of options because enemies swarm you, regardless of whether you engaged them or not.

I shouldn’t have to play late 90s trial and error 5 times with a simple personal mission just to discover the quirks in the AI I can exploit in every combat situation so as to avoid them massacring me. I have never encountered such unbalance in what should be soloable PVE combat in any previous MMO – ever.

The tragic thing is that this game has plenty of balanced – and difficult – combat, but there’s so many situations where you’re just like WTF?

As someone else pointed out above, there are two arrow carts there that you’re meant to use, while letting the NPCs be meat shields for you. If you get overwhelmed, run back and wait until you’e healed, and then go back in for the fight. No “exploit hunting” needed.

Every PS instance, save the final one that is a 5-man dungeon, is soloable. I’ve done them all solo on every class type, and I’m not even that great of a player. You can do it, too.

D: Trolling me?

KorbenDallas.6729:

I thought this game was about skill based combat

Skill is not only knowing how to dodge, but to also know your limits. Leeroying into mobs alone is never a good idea. As you learn to play, you’ll discover what you can and cannot do. We each learn at our own speed, so don’t feel bad if you fail the first few times.

Oh, and welcome to Guild Wars 2!

Silloh.8352:

On that story mission you should use the arrow cart that is sitting right outside said gate. Hope this helps.

I’ll be honest, I could’ve used that advice the very first time I ran into that scenario. =P
Didn’t get too sore about it, just kept respawning until I made the things die.

Gotta say, it’s easier with the arrow cart. XD

KorbenDallas.6729:

I’m doing these personal story missions omg I’m a guardian stacking vitality, toughness and healing on every piece of gear I’ve got, I have 5 healing spells including my ultimate, I told myself I’ll kill everything slow but at least I won’t die.

Omg you have 5-6 enemies jump on you fear, knockdown, fear, knowckdown, kittens you’re at 20% health pop every heal rinse repeat you’re dead.

What is this? I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that. It’s like I’m playing world of warcraft PVP versus 6 players at the same time. There is no tactic in this game except hope somehow enemies ignore you and fight NPCs then pop all cooldowns, run away, pop all cooldowns, run away.

This also happens in outdoor combat in events, hearts etc. Combat needs BALANCE.

You’re having problems with personal story missions?

I hate to say it but those are probably the easiest content in the game…
Maybe you’re doing personal story missions that are too high level for you?
Or maybe you’re not repairing your armor when it breaks? Broken armor grants no defensive bonus. Or maybe you’re forgetting to equip items in your trinket/amulet/ring slots?

As a guard, shelter is better than signet for most situations, and renewed focus elite helps a lot. Also traiting for blind on F1 helps a lot, especially in combination with the trait that refreshes f1 cooldown on every mob kill.

Being experienced in other mmos means almost nothing here, and from your post you are new to this game, which is what matters. There is some difficulty in this game, but its not THAT hard if you play it right, which is nothing against you, but you cant learn anything if you think youre a mmo pro and the problem cant possibly be your skills, so therefore the game must be broken

Playing the “tank” class (which isnt actually a thing in this game), putting on defensive gear, and running into a group of 6-8 mobs to slowly wear them down might work in wow/aion/ect., but not here. Id say spend a little time on the guardian forums reading guides, and possibly getting to level 80 (you get a lot more options for gear/traits/food/ect. at 80 than 70) and then trying again. You could also try using the lfg tool to find people leveling alts who will help you out.

KorbenDallas.6729:

This is ridiculous, I’m not an mmo newbie, I understand how aggro and mechanics work. My gear is all lvl 63+ and I’m doing a lvl 70 personal story.

Sorry, but other mmos =/= gw2. Unless your level 63+ gear is rare or exotic so that it equals or exceeds basic white level 70 gear, you really should upgrade it. Also make sure to buy/make trinkets and a backpiece. That’s something I always forget to do. That being said, I’ve completed the personal story without any, but it really really does help. Also make sure to upgrade these to the next tier as you level along.

As others have said, for that particular mission always use the arrow cart. I didn’t even see the arrow cart the first time I did it, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you missed it. It’s very easy to miss.

KorbenDallas.6729:

I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that.

I think you’re confused. Gear based combat is where you could just equip a set of defensive gear and casually, but slowly, push through the content.

GW2 uses the action combat model. Other than dodging, you can avoid attacks by simply stepping outside of their range. You’re meant to be highly mobile, unlike non-action games where you simply stand there and fire off a rotation.

If you’re getting knocked down by Risen, I’m guessing you’re facing a brute or an abomination. For the brute, simply watch for the hammer swing and step to the side. The abomination does the same thing, just bigger.

As for the fear and every other special attack in the game, watch your target and listen as it happens. Eventually you’ll learn the animation, or in some cases, the sound effect that warns you. There’s your skill based combat.

I would also like to mention that the personal story missions were not designed to be tanked. The NPCs that fight along side of you do very little damage, yet somebody has to get the enemies out of the way.

Six enemies picking away at high defense player are still more dangerous than six enemies who are dead. You can run Soldier gear if you want Toughness and Vitality, but having that Power stat is crucial for solo play. Healing Power and healing in general are going to feel very subpar compared to other MMOs. Heals are more of a utility and often don’t make a sustained tank.

Some other tips:

• Ranged weapons (scepter) tend to be very good in personal story
• If a red circle does not immediately do damage, WALK out of it, do not DODGE out of it unless you have to
• Your stability skills are Hallowed Ground and “Stand Your Ground”. Also “Save Yourselves!” will break you out of a stun
• Never underestimate traits

The combat requires SKILL (such as dodging and damage avoidance via weapon and utility skills), not that the combat is based on your SKILL bar and you can stand still and not die.

I think I can guess the MMO you played recently….

To those of you who gave me tips, thanks, to the rest of you, if I wanted patronizing forums thumbs uppers I would have stayed with WoW.

KorbenDallas.6729:

This is ridiculous, I’m not an mmo newbie, I understand how aggro and mechanics work. My gear is all lvl 63+ and I’m doing a lvl 70 personal story. Every one of my abilities and traits is defense related, nothing is offensive compared to other choices I could pick. I have either healing abilities with damage or healing abilities with effect cleansing capabilities and defensive traits related to Aegis, healing or other.

I’m not talking about incompetence, I’m talking about being in a fight and reaching a point not even 30 seconds into the fight where you’ve been forced to use everything and you’re out of options because enemies swarm you, regardless of whether you engaged them or not.

This isn’t WoW. You can’t go full tank and pull every mob in the zone while levelling. The best description I’ve seen of the way combat works in this game is in this video.

There is no Noxxic for Guild Wars, but there are some good videos out there. For Guardian you might want to look at these:

• Guardian Build Guide
• Guardian DPS Rotation Guide
• What to Do in Speed Runs — Guardian

You can take or leave the advice, but I’m pretty sure you’ll learn some new things about your class after watching these. Good luck!

Brother Grimm.5176:

The combat requires SKILL (such as dodging and damage avoidance via weapon and utility skills), not that the combat is based on your SKILL bar and you can stand still and not die.

I think I can guess the MMO you played recently….

Wow thanks, I would never have guessed that it was that “skill” we were talking about. You completely changed my life.

Hi Korben,

I’ll add you and help you in game. That way I can immediately see what, if anything, can be improved in the way you play.

In my experience as someone that trains newbies for my guild MMO experience isn’t an assett, because people tend to have preconceived notions on how the game’s supposed to work.

Your chosen stat set actually works against you, since you can’t kill stuff quick enough before being overwhelmed.

Sarcastic constructive criticism is still constructive criticism, Korben.

You’re kidding? I hope?

Guild Wars 2 in general isn’t hard enough! Because GW2 is generally easy, as far as PvE combat goes, I think people now expect the game to hold their hands as they prance through content.

Wait for the xpac to come out for challenging content (at least that’s what I am hoping for).

KorbenDallas.6729:

To those of you who gave me tips, thanks, to the rest of you, if I wanted patronizing forums thumbs uppers I would have stayed with WoW.

Hey….I guessed right.

You didn’t really ask for help in your OP….you just whined about how you couldn’t play this game like WoW and how idiotic this game was because of that. You also complained about completely misunderstanding the term “skill based combat”, but I guess that’s understandable (but it IS kind of funny….seeing how WoW combat IS all about activating your dozens of skills while basically you stand still).

I get that you were venting, but don’t expect players to welcome you with open arms while you are bad-mouthing their game. All that aside, if you are willing to learn to play combat differently than in WoW, everyone here wants to help you. If you just want to complain about how GW2 combat is lame compared to WoW and it should be changed to be like WoW, then yor not going to get a lot of sympathetic ears. Your choice.

Sounds like a troll. His account is over 1 year old judging from his past forum posts.

I hate to break it to you, but the PvE in Guild Wars 2 is probably the easiest of any MMO I’ve ever played

KorbenDallas.6729:

I’m doing these personal story missions omg I’m a guardian stacking vitality, toughness and healing on every piece of gear I’ve got, I have 5 healing spells including my ultimate, I told myself I’ll kill everything slow but at least I won’t die.

Omg you have 5-6 enemies jump on you fear, knockdown, fear, knowckdown, kittens you’re at 20% health pop every heal rinse repeat you’re dead.

What is this? I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that. It’s like I’m playing world of warcraft PVP versus 6 players at the same time. There is no tactic in this game except hope somehow enemies ignore you and fight NPCs then pop all cooldowns, run away, pop all cooldowns, run away.

This also happens in outdoor combat in events, hearts etc. Combat needs BALANCE.

Man, I was going to reply nicely but after seeing your responses to others I’m not so sure.

People always say their experienced and this and that yada yada yada and always the ones with problems how to do things. Frankly, I think the others were right and it’s a case of you learning, though I personally hate the L2P response as it doesn’t help people but jumping down his throat for giving advice isn’t the way to go either.

I’ve played pretty much every sub based and buy to play MMO out there except for ESO and Archeage (which I think is F2P anyway) and in every MMO I’ve always kitted myself out for maximum damage. Logically it might sound like going full defensive is the way to stay alive, but in actuality, it’s far from it. Taking tank-like builds are best for group work, when you have some DPS or healer, but solo it’s just pointless.

Sure, you can argue how you take little damage etc etc etc…but here we see, this just isn’t the case, since it’s NOT working out for you. Mobs take longer to kill you sure, but you also take longer for them to kill you, and they just end up whittling down your health pool as you put your abilities on cooldown and slowly chip away at their health.

The same old saying that offence is the best form of defence is true, the only MMO I can think that really suits going tank mode is Warcraft, because tanks still have ridiculous damage, especially AoE. It’s a game designed for children and very little thought process. In Eve online I can take my tanky-as-hell Gallente battleship and end up dying in a mission because it took too long to kill kitten or, I can take my paper thin minny autocannon fast but close range battleship and blitz through the mission 10x faster and 10x safer because kitten just dies so I don’t need to tank it. In wildstar I can destroy things with my DPS warrior / Slinger and use my mobility and utility, while kiting and never taking any damage and killing 10 mobs at a time, or go tank / healer and have MORE chance of dying (not that I do really) and certainly take a ton longer to kill. I can use the same example for every MMO really, except maybe warcraft but as said, that’s designed specifically for lack of braincells. Hell, that game even rewards bad players.

In GW’s I’ve gone pure power+precision+ferocity and kill the mobs so fast they pose little to no threat.

The game isn’t hard and the guy was right, it really is a player issue and as hard as that may be for you to accept if you won’t take peoples advice I don’t really get why you posted that.

Besides, I’m personally SICK of games that handhold and developers REALLY need to stop listening to players who complain about it’s difficulty because games have become so bland and generic lately, especially MMO’s. I exclude this, wildstar and eve because eve’s probably the most brutal out there, WS tries to use difficulty as it’s selling point and this has little in common combat wise with other MMO’s.

Brother Grimm.5176:

KorbenDallas.6729:

To those of you who gave me tips, thanks, to the rest of you, if I wanted patronizing forums thumbs uppers I would have stayed with WoW.

Hey….I guessed right.

You didn’t really ask for help in your OP….you just whined about how you couldn’t play this game like WoW and how idiotic this game was because of that. You also complained about completely misunderstanding the term “skill based combat”, but I guess that’s understandable (but it IS kind of funny….seeing how WoW combat IS all about activating your dozens of skills while basically you stand still).

All that aside, if you are willing to learn to play combat differently than in WoW, everyone here wants to help you. If you just want to complain about how GW2 combat is lame compared to WoW and it should be changed to be like WoW, then yor not going to get a lot of sympathetic ears. Your choice.

Wow, bashing me with pointless sarcasm wasn’t enough, you have to make a post insulting everything I know about video games just cause I played WoW? Were you waiting for an opportunity like this or what?

There’s people in here who legitimately offered me advice, which I thanked them for, you just offered flame bait and now you’re pretending like you’re a martyr?

You belong there man.

Izziee.8392:

KorbenDallas.6729:

I’m doing these personal story missions omg I’m a guardian stacking vitality, toughness and healing on every piece of gear I’ve got, I have 5 healing spells including my ultimate, I told myself I’ll kill everything slow but at least I won’t die.

Omg you have 5-6 enemies jump on you fear, knockdown, fear, knowckdown, kittens you’re at 20% health pop every heal rinse repeat you’re dead.

What is this? I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that. It’s like I’m playing world of warcraft PVP versus 6 players at the same time. There is no tactic in this game except hope somehow enemies ignore you and fight NPCs then pop all cooldowns, run away, pop all cooldowns, run away.

This also happens in outdoor combat in events, hearts etc. Combat needs BALANCE.

Man, I was going to reply nicely but after seeing your responses to others I’m not so sure.

People always say their experienced and this and that yada yada yada and always the ones with problems how to do things. Frankly, I think the others were right and it’s a case of you learning, though I personally hate the L2P response as it doesn’t help people but jumping down his throat for giving advice isn’t the way to go either.

I’ve played pretty much every sub based and buy to play MMO out there except for ESO and Archeage (which I think is F2P anyway) and in every MMO I’ve always kitted myself out for maximum damage. Logically it might sound like going full defensive is the way to stay alive, but in actuality, it’s far from it. Taking tank-like builds are best for group work, when you have some DPS or healer, but solo it’s just pointless.

Sure, you can argue how you take little damage etc etc etc…but here we see, this just isn’t the case, since it’s NOT working out for you. Mobs take longer to kill you sure, but you also take longer for them to kill you, and they just end up whittling down your health pool as you put your abilities on cooldown and slowly chip away at their health.

The same old saying that offence is the best form of defence is true, the only MMO I can think that really suits going tank mode is Warcraft, because tanks still have ridiculous damage, especially AoE. It’s a game designed for children and very little thought process. In Eve online I can take my tanky-as-hell Gallente battleship and end up dying in a mission because it took too long to kill kitten or, I can take my paper thin minny autocannon fast but close range battleship and blitz through the mission 10x faster and 10x safer because kitten just dies so I don’t need to tank it. In wildstar I can destroy things with my DPS warrior / Slinger and use my mobility and utility, while kiting and never taking any damage and killing 10 mobs at a time, or go tank / healer and have MORE chance of dying (not that I do really) and certainly take a ton longer to kill. I can use the same example for every MMO really, except maybe warcraft but as said, that’s designed specifically for lack of braincells. Hell, that game even rewards bad players.

In GW’s I’ve gone pure power+precision+ferocity and kill the mobs so fast they pose little to no threat.

The game isn’t hard and the guy was right, it really is a player issue and as hard as that may be for you to accept if you won’t take peoples advice I don’t really get why you posted that.

Besides, I’m personally SICK of games that handhold and developers REALLY need to stop listening to players who complain about it’s difficulty because games have become so bland and generic lately, especially MMO’s. I exclude this, wildstar and eve because eve’s probably the most brutal out there, WS tries to use difficulty as it’s selling point and this has little in common combat wise with other MMO’s.

My responses to others? I only have 3 replies, one which is a thank you, one is a neutral response explaining what I was accused for, and one was sarcasm for sarcasm. I swear, I thought this community was all right, but a lot of you are just horrible people, jesus christ. I’ve never been accused so many times of being a troll in all my life as I was in the first page of this thread.

I’ve always had the exact opposite problem with GW2. Nearly all content(something like 99.8%) in GW2 is ridiculously easy. The personal story itself is some of the most faceroll content that the game has to offer. It sounds like you are doing something seriously wrong if you are having problems with it.

I couldn’t imagine running the stats you are running either. Go with power, precision and ferocity gear for PvE.

Practice more, hotkey everything, profit.

OP is trying to kill undead mobs with old age, based on what gear/stats are in use.

Seriously though:

- craft gear closer to your level
- for pve, go for beserker stat gear (power/precision/ferocity). Guards have low hp, but with all the blocks and blinds plus heavy armor, they are very durable
- See previous posts with links to guides on optimal equipment sets/traits/etc.

This game is not that difficult.

You need to L2P or play a different game.

KorbenDallas.6729:

Izziee.8392:

KorbenDallas.6729:

I’m doing these personal story missions omg I’m a guardian stacking vitality, toughness and healing on every piece of gear I’ve got, I have 5 healing spells including my ultimate, I told myself I’ll kill everything slow but at least I won’t die.

Omg you have 5-6 enemies jump on you fear, knockdown, fear, knowckdown, kittens you’re at 20% health pop every heal rinse repeat you’re dead.

What is this? I thought this game was about skill based combat, using dodge to avoid attacks and all that. It’s like I’m playing world of warcraft PVP versus 6 players at the same time. There is no tactic in this game except hope somehow enemies ignore you and fight NPCs then pop all cooldowns, run away, pop all cooldowns, run away.

This also happens in outdoor combat in events, hearts etc. Combat needs BALANCE.

Man, I was going to reply nicely but after seeing your responses to others I’m not so sure.

People always say their experienced and this and that yada yada yada and always the ones with problems how to do things. Frankly, I think the others were right and it’s a case of you learning, though I personally hate the L2P response as it doesn’t help people but jumping down his throat for giving advice isn’t the way to go either.

I’ve played pretty much every sub based and buy to play MMO out there except for ESO and Archeage (which I think is F2P anyway) and in every MMO I’ve always kitted myself out for maximum damage. Logically it might sound like going full defensive is the way to stay alive, but in actuality, it’s far from it. Taking tank-like builds are best for group work, when you have some DPS or healer, but solo it’s just pointless.

Sure, you can argue how you take little damage etc etc etc…but here we see, this just isn’t the case, since it’s NOT working out for you. Mobs take longer to kill you sure, but you also take longer for them to kill you, and they just end up whittling down your health pool as you put your abilities on cooldown and slowly chip away at their health.

The same old saying that offence is the best form of defence is true, the only MMO I can think that really suits going tank mode is Warcraft, because tanks still have ridiculous damage, especially AoE. It’s a game designed for children and very little thought process. In Eve online I can take my tanky-as-hell Gallente battleship and end up dying in a mission because it took too long to kill kitten or, I can take my paper thin minny autocannon fast but close range battleship and blitz through the mission 10x faster and 10x safer because kitten just dies so I don’t need to tank it. In wildstar I can destroy things with my DPS warrior / Slinger and use my mobility and utility, while kiting and never taking any damage and killing 10 mobs at a time, or go tank / healer and have MORE chance of dying (not that I do really) and certainly take a ton longer to kill. I can use the same example for every MMO really, except maybe warcraft but as said, that’s designed specifically for lack of braincells. Hell, that game even rewards bad players.

In GW’s I’ve gone pure power+precision+ferocity and kill the mobs so fast they pose little to no threat.

The game isn’t hard and the guy was right, it really is a player issue and as hard as that may be for you to accept if you won’t take peoples advice I don’t really get why you posted that.

Besides, I’m personally SICK of games that handhold and developers REALLY need to stop listening to players who complain about it’s difficulty because games have become so bland and generic lately, especially MMO’s. I exclude this, wildstar and eve because eve’s probably the most brutal out there, WS tries to use difficulty as it’s selling point and this has little in common combat wise with other MMO’s.

My responses to others? I only have 3 replies, one which is a thank you, one is a neutral response explaining what I was accused for, and one was sarcasm for sarcasm. I swear, I thought this community was all right, but a lot of you are just horrible people, jesus christ. I’ve never been accused so many times of being a troll in all my life as I was in the first page of this thread.

No, you got 4 replies, 5 including this one and all but the first, including your “thank you” are sarcastic and/or passive aggressive, including this one. This community is nice, one of the better ones if you don’t feel it is, then perhaps you better ask yourself why. Even now you get advice, don’t listen and rather go off on one.