Break? Now even stability won’t protect you from them. All in all, it will promote mindless zerg mass cc spam. As it is now, if you used your cc against an opponent with stab, it was wasted. Now, there will be no reason to time it anymore – either it will work, or it will whittle stability stacks down (and you better spam more of cc, to get those stacks down before your opponent gets them back up again).
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There is always in every game some portion of the population that only plays PvE, has no regard for balance, and is vehement that nothing gets nerfed every under any circumstances.
In the Guild Wars world, where they’ve split skills in the past, this usually comes as a cry for the skill to be split, so that the part of the game they care about will never see nerfs.
This thread is another one of those.
And this is a bad thing…why, exactly? PvE is a different environment from PvP and WvW, and it’s not always advisable to alter skills in a one-size-fit-all way.
After dropping this huge bomb on us in the live stream, Threads have popped up in evey forum. Pve players are opposed to it. WvW players despise it, and even PVE players are not happy at all.
Almost no one wants this change. Why make it?
I find it quite interesting.
Stability as it is right now is probably way too powerful. The change is probably for the better, but will be hard to say before we get to try it.
Keep in mind however that people do dislike change, even if it seemed to be the best thing ever people on these forums would complain about how it would destroy the game and so on and so forth.
I’m actually pretty neutral to this one thus far. I really need to see what happens to cooldowns of skills giving it and or amount of stacks given by a skill, its not one of the changes I can make an educated guess as to the results will be with the information given.
I can go and make assumptions that the stacks will be too low and cc will suddenly become hard to counter, or that it will be too high and weaken cc but that’s not really helping much.
If someone has info as to max stacks and how many stacks several example skills give, then I might be able to better judge…
I won’t make a judgement on it until I’ve experienced the change first-hand. Looking at the change on paper, though, yeah, it doesn’t sound like something I’ll like. But none of us know the full details of how it’s going to work in game; it’s best to wait and see how it actually will work before grabbing the torches and pitchforks.
DUDE, it is YOUR opinion, you can not represent the community , stop saying your OP like a fact and do not force your OP upon the whold community.
I like the stability change, right now it is op on bunkers.
I think stability is really really strong. Though the changes will undermine a lot of the strength of guardian skills and make them well nearly worthless. I really hope they go through and adjust some of them for potency. Stand your ground sounds like it’s getting a major neutering.
Though it begs to question, new stability does the stack get removed and clear you from a current CC? Like Teq tidal wave, if you’re currently knocked down and use stand your ground does it still consume and work? Currently it acts as a stun break because it provides immunity.
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After dropping this huge bomb on us in the live stream, Threads have popped up in evey forum. Pve players are opposed to it. WvW players despise it, and even PVE players are not happy at all.
Almost no one wants this change. Why make it?
ANet. They like to do this kind of thing, note the Traits changes last spring. I’m sure they will blame this on “player feedback” too.
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If things get balanced right then it can be a very good thing. Currently guardians are too strong in global support due to many Stability group generators. Which make them a must have for groups. Limiting the potential of stability and spreading it out can help lower them in terms of support which can bring them up in offense, as they are very very very struggling in offense department and ANET seems to be trying to bring that up front for them.
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Stability is OP considering how easy it is to come by (for some classes) and how useful it is. I think its it will be a change for the better.
It will make things more strategic in WvW, since right now its just mostly guardians and a some warrior stacking and pain-training everything. This change may change the meta, and allow more classes to be useful.
Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
I like it – counterplay and boonstrip buff. +1 anet
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Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
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I won’t be sure until I see how it will be implemented in full, but so far i like it.
Like xyonon said, it offers more counterplay by having stacks instead of flat out immunity to cc, and more counterplay is always a good thing.
I won’t be sure until I see how it will be implemented in full, but so far i like it.
Like xyonon said, it offers more counterplay by having stacks instead of flat out immunity to cc, and more counterplay is always a good thing.
That is true and would be great if they totally balanced things out.
Guardians have the lowest health pool in the game, and some of the lowest base damage because of all the defense they get. One of the strongest aspects of that defense is stability which they have in massive amounts. Nerfing stability nerfs a large portion, if not only portion, guardians are taken to anything competitive in pvp. Nerf that without buffing other aspects of guardians makes them a worthless class to have as a whole.
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Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
Man you got me hoping burn stacks in intensity now instead of cover condis I was already hoping condi for LB with hexes like an improved version of GS #5. Need more info tough.
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Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
Man you got me hoping burn stacks in intensity now instead of cover condis I was already hoping condi for LB with hexes like an improved version of GS #5. Need more info tough.
Yeah they need to do overhaul to the condition system, it is one of the reasons that zerker is so meta. Plus to condition damage is such a worthless stat for nearly everyone and plus to healing is taken by literally nobody. They need to sort out the systems to make it so people don’t go and stack power and zerker builds.
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When ‘change’ is almost always to take something away from us, make something weaker or make something tedious that was not prior, some of us get annoyed when they change things, sure.
It isn’t change I dislike, personally – it’s persistently bad and consistently unlikeable change.
Anet is amazingly good at a terrible thing to be good at, and that’s making change feel like it’s a blight to be dreaded, never anything to look forward to.
Might just be my experience, but MMOs in general are often bad about this, and Anet seems to be clawing for first of the worst of all game studios at making sure anything that feels rewarding or is actually good gets nerfed to the same level of forgettable mediocrity as much else.
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I think they’re trying to avoid the hassle of balancing PvE and PvP separately, a la GW1, as much as possible anyway. I’d applaud them on that effort, if it wasn’t so futile.
It’s a pretty good change for sPvP, since it introduces more strategy to the boon, but it’s probably going to be pretty rough in PvE, where I’m sure we will quickly find the points in the game that were never designed to work with stability like that.
I think PvE will be the least affected since you can just stand still in a spot and stack stable while you dps stuff and running usually involves stealth to avoid detection (at least this is true of the vanilla content)
Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
Man you got me hoping burn stacks in intensity now instead of cover condis I was already hoping condi for LB with hexes like an improved version of GS #5. Need more info tough.
Stability is OP considering how easy it is to come by (for some classes) and how useful it is. I think its it will be a change for the better.
It will make things more strategic in WvW, since right now its just mostly guardians and a some warrior stacking and pain-training everything. This change may change the meta, and allow more classes to be useful.
I think its their way of bringing anti-blob meta to wvw, or at least part of their solution
Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
Man you got me hoping burn stacks in intensity now instead of cover condis I was already hoping condi for LB with hexes like an improved version of GS #5. Need more info tough.
Have you guys not seen medi-guards in spvp? …
Medi guards also give up literally all of what make guardians desired for the sake of damage that is lower then warriors, thieves, elementalists, engineers……..They’re strong for guardians but they’re not strong in itself. They’re really easy to country and very predictable as they give up literally all of a guardians defense.
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yup new changes suck, WvW Frontline LOL things of the past now we stand with the backline and simply just spam virtues and shouts….YAY well time to start looking for another game. Play almost my entire gaming life GW and still consider it the best right now but if I can’t play melee then forget about. Not to mention its ALL about numbers now and now quality with these changes. Necro are now the masters of the blob….thanks Dev you killed my game!!! Killed it!!!!!!
Well I am done giving my opinion about balances. ANET created this support unbalanced years ago. Like the symbol of swift nerf which made us the group swiftness (bleep) and just slower when running solo.They have utterly failed at balancing the offensive lack that guardians experience but hey we never have been the killers and I accept that…seriously someone in here wrote that ANET has been trying to resolve our offense…with what spirit weapons OMG lol lol lol yeah I would be better with a level 1 grey greatsword/butterknife skill or better yet increase burning of 1 second cause that will make a difference in WvW with all the extra fire and/or condition removal. I could waste a lot more time on this but I already wasted enough. I will continue to be the (bleep) and say THANK YOU ANET!!!
The main problem with guardians is also the main issue with necros. The basic fact is, the condition system blows chunks and needs to over overhauled completely.
Having one burn per target is what kills guardians damage. There is no stacking of burns just stacking duration, which hur dur doesn’t help when they die in like 15 secs. They appear to be changing how conditions work but if you have a reliable way to generate condi immunity (whatever its name was) then that pretty much negates the entirety of the guardian class as the bulk of their damage revolves around a not so well thought out burn mechanic.
I’m still hoping the guardian specialization is something that focuses on pure offense and actually can kick some kitten .
Man you got me hoping burn stacks in intensity now instead of cover condis I was already hoping condi for LB with hexes like an improved version of GS #5. Need more info tough.
yup new changes suck, WvW Frontline LOL things of the past now we stand with the backline and simply just spam virtues and shouts….YAY well time to start looking for another game. Play almost my entire gaming life GW and still consider it the best right now but if I can’t play melee then forget about. Not to mention its ALL about numbers now and now quality with these changes. Necro are now the masters of the blob….thanks Dev you killed my game!!! Killed it!!!!!!
If you don’t want the game to change, I suggest not picking up an MMO. Chances are, no matter what MMO you play, one day they’re going to have a balance patch that you won’t like. All MMOs do.
yup new changes suck, WvW Frontline LOL things of the past now we stand with the backline and simply just spam virtues and shouts….YAY well time to start looking for another game. Play almost my entire gaming life GW and still consider it the best right now but if I can’t play melee then forget about. Not to mention its ALL about numbers now and now quality with these changes. Necro are now the masters of the blob….thanks Dev you killed my game!!! Killed it!!!!!!
If you don’t want the game to change, I suggest not picking up an MMO. Chances are, no matter what MMO you play, one day they’re going to have a balance patch that you won’t like. All MMOs do.
More then mmo all online games that are updated at any time changes. Even offline games that are updated tend to changes now. If you do not like changes you do not like life.
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More then mmo all online games that are updated at any time changes. Even offline games that are updated tend to changes now. If you do not like changes you do not like life.
kind of true. Except that for offline games you can choose not to patch
Either way, it’s okay to be upset if it ruins your playstyle, however you got to understand that no matter what the change is, someone will always stay upset. Meaning that pretty much all players will have an upsetting patch at some point. However the question is how you deal with it. In my opinion, because all online games do updates and balance changes too, the best thing is to adapt and move on. Mostly because you can run away to other MMOs. But you’ll encounter upsetting patches there too.
I’m not sure if I’m right, but there is still no stability for thieves – with 2 seconds of stealth and without power all the time I was ping-ponged around places by mobs, stunned all the time…
With a class that should be close fight – being interrupted / stunned all the time – because even the smallest attack is intrruptable – why is that? I don’t understand how it was meant to be playable and enjoyable class.
yup new changes suck, WvW Frontline LOL things of the past now we stand with the backline and simply just spam virtues and shouts….YAY well time to start looking for another game. Play almost my entire gaming life GW and still consider it the best right now but if I can’t play melee then forget about. Not to mention its ALL about numbers now and now quality with these changes. Necro are now the masters of the blob….thanks Dev you killed my game!!! Killed it!!!!!!
If you don’t want the game to change, I suggest not picking up an MMO. Chances are, no matter what MMO you play, one day they’re going to have a balance patch that you won’t like. All MMOs do.
This is not a nerf or simple skill balance. Tthe devs destroyed the WvW experience. Never logged on after first week during which I gave it a shot. I accept change but not breaking the game to make pvp players more happy about a minor change. It has made WvW all about big range blobs. No skill no melee, please be constructive with your response since I did not state I do not accept any change but this change was really idiotic and unnecessary. GW2 has gone all “wiazrd/spells” with the focus on the new 3rd heavy class being range with spells, necros getting more upgrades and now stability useless in big group fights unless you run and dodge like a pack of wild buffalos. Done with again for another few weeks. Thanks GW2, please just stop updating the game if you are going to further WoW us (numerous useless expansion and updates from World of Warcraft).
I want new content that keeps it fun for all players not 60%…
More then mmo all online games that are updated at any time changes. Even offline games that are updated tend to changes now. If you do not like changes you do not like life.
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