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Posted by: RoyalPredator.9163

RoyalPredator.9163

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I would like to highlight things we’ve been discussed and learned in the last ~2 years about this ability. These are things should been kept serious and shouldn’t been forgotten;

Rule 1: No Gold. Abilities like this shouldn’t connected to e-Wealth. Having lots of gold does not prooves anything – due to that, it isn’t logical to make it depending on.
>> Solution: There are only 2 kind of “currencies” that can partly guarantee a player worth the commander ability. For WvW, I wouldn’t pick Badge of Honors, since those RNG based and unbalanced between EOTM & regular WvW. Instead;

  • WvW Rank: Ahead of an amount (like ~300), a player spent enough time and effort to learn how things work.
  • Karma: I believe, PvE commanders can get Karma to exchange it for, let’s say, a Million.

Rule 2: Free/Unlock Upgrades. Meanwhile some may say Commander ability should have it’s own leveling system up to X, or just free to select different colors of badges in time of need, one things is very sure; There shouldn’t be another 100-300g pieces for those.
I’m also sure AN does not meant to harm our strong efforts to make our raids/commandings working, so why to put a goldsink onto that?
>> Solutions:

  • Unlock all badges to whoever has the commander ability. It’s about to enjoy the game, not to farm it out for social needs that doesn’t seem to be supported in the current design.
  • Or sell the unlocks with relatively cheap price. ~500 Badge? Acceptable.
  • Maybe really leveling it, let’s say, connected to Rank system (+point for it every ~100 rank) or something.

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

Azrael.4960

Rather than tie it to WvW rank, it should be tied to the number of points that you cap for your guild in wvw. By which I mean, having your flag displayed at a tower, keep or camp. That usually implies that you’ve led an assault and provided bonuses to your blob through the guild bonuses. That’s a sign of leadership. Everything else is just fluff.

So say, cap 1000 points and apply a guild bonus to each one to earn your commander pip. Thereafter new colours can be unlocked for every 500 points capped. Given the amount of time wvw players spend there, these sorts of levels shouldn’t be hard to achieve.

This isn’t likely ever to be implemented but it’s nice to throw ideas around

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

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Posted by: miriforst.1290

miriforst.1290

Would having the tags be a guild upgrade be a fair system?

-Tags costs a large amount of influence (not merits) to give the guild leader the ability to promote 1 commander per purchase.

-The tag is shown as a miniature guild emblem of the guild promoting recognition and community. Also helps guilds in wvw to easily get an overview of the whereabouts of other guilds.

-Multiple tags of the same emblem are held separate by roman numbers.

-Possibly the tag could be duration bound forcing guilds to be active to command.

It would hopefully be fair to both the wvw and the pve playerbase, if not tweak the influence rewards.

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Posted by: Lishtenbird.2814

Lishtenbird.2814

I totally agree that commander tags should not be treated like jewellery. However, the currency system still treats it like jewellery – with the only exception that this currency cannot be acquired by converting gems to gold.

For PvE, karma is an option; but I believe there should be a set of tasks performed (similar to trait unlocks) instead of direct currency which can be acquired by running in circles in Queensdale:

  • Completed all renowned hearts.
  • Completed personal story.
  • Completed all Orr temple events and world boss events (except Tequatl and Triple Wurm) at least once.
  • Acquired all traits for at least one character.
  • Completed all dungeons (story and explorable) at least once.
  • Completed all fractal mini-dungeons at least once (regardless of level).

WvW is a different story, but just as for PvE, it should be equally representing the knowledge (or at least acquaintance) of different aspects of the game (mode) instead of the amount of time spent running in a blob.

20 level 80s and counting.

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Posted by: PetricaKerempuh.7958

PetricaKerempuh.7958

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

why should wvw players have to farm gold in pve to get those?

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Posted by: RoyalPredator.9163

RoyalPredator.9163

There is a tough point in the design; How can be players admired to worth being a Commander or not? The current methood is really simple:
It is your 100g bet on yourself.

There is a key problem with this way, and it’s the type of currency. The Gold.
As prooven many times, money itself simply can’t make the decision.
>> You see rich people who act stupid and poor ones who make significant performance.

The idea of earning it as an Achievement is really worth thinking!
Now that AN plans to put it on 300g/color seems very ridiculous.
(I’ve came up with this before, just forgot to mention as OP)

Where is the trick? Let’s hope they just forgot to mention it will be like the new Traits; Unlock with gold or complete it’s challange.
With reasonable ones, I’m sure we would agree.

P.s.: I do respect PvE Commanders as well, there gone the Karma’s reward.
Without them, it would be mutch harder to defeat Tequatl or the 3 Wurms.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

Draknar.5748

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

why should wvw players have to farm gold in pve to get those?

Pretty sure you make money in WvW as well… I know I do.

Sure it’s faster to do it in PvE, but getting it as fast as humanly possible isn’t something you “have to” do. That’s a choice you make.

I won’t stop because I can’t stop.

It’s a medical condition, they say its terminal….

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Posted by: Shanaeri Rynale.6897

Shanaeri Rynale.6897

you should’nt need a commander tag at all with a proper party/grouping system imho

Anyone should be able to form a squad, and people who then join that squad should then be able to see anyone else in that squad. The Squad former then gets a special colored dot to indicate where they are which can only be seen by fellow squad members.

Never saw the reason why people should pay to form teams of more than 5 people, esp when the squad functionality is so… useless.

I mean, what’s the point of having a squad if you cant even see where they are…

Guild Leader of DVDF www.dvdf.org.uk since 2005

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Posted by: PetricaKerempuh.7958

PetricaKerempuh.7958

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

why should wvw players have to farm gold in pve to get those?

Pretty sure you make money in WvW as well… I know I do.

Sure it’s faster to do it in PvE, but getting it as fast as humanly possible isn’t something you “have to” do. That’s a choice you make.

are u commanding in wvw? commanding is expensive. people donate a lot, and withou it it would be actually loosing money.

in any case, i hope we can agree that 300g in wvw is not the same as 300g in pve.

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Posted by: DutchRiders.2871

DutchRiders.2871

Which respectable commander doesn’t have 300g these days? One could even argue this is a much wanted gold sink.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

why should wvw players have to farm gold in pve to get those?

Nope, but the way to get them shouldn’t be WvW only either.

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

Azure The Heartless.3261

Which respectable commander doesn’t have 300g these days? One could even argue this is a much wanted gold sink.

Dear Anet.

Buying Black commander tag @ 300g.

Pm if selling.

Thanks,

[shameless farmer]

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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

Draknar.5748

Nice of you WvW guys to forget about the rest of the game’s population. Commander tags are often used in PvE too. Should we have to WvW to get those?

why should wvw players have to farm gold in pve to get those?

Pretty sure you make money in WvW as well… I know I do.

Sure it’s faster to do it in PvE, but getting it as fast as humanly possible isn’t something you “have to” do. That’s a choice you make.

are u commanding in wvw? commanding is expensive. people donate a lot, and withou it it would be actually loosing money.

in any case, i hope we can agree that 300g in wvw is not the same as 300g in pve.

Yes, commanding is expensive, but it is a cost they can afford (be it earned on their own or through donations). 300g would be a one-time cost, which could very well be earned through donations just like siege equipment.

But ultimately, and what I think is most important, you don’t have to get a different color. Everything can stay exactly the same. Can’t afford 300g as a commander? No problem! You already have a commander tag so who cares!
Your lives will not be harder because your tag is still blue instead of whatever other color. Nobody will think you are lame.

I won’t stop because I can’t stop.

It’s a medical condition, they say its terminal….

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Posted by: Crius.5487

Crius.5487

I’m so glad I won’t have to buy a second pin for my guardian and a third for scouting on my thief. Thanks ANet!

Jade Quarry since Beta

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Posted by: RoyalPredator.9163

RoyalPredator.9163

It’s not about the amount.
It’s about the currency.

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