Guild Wars 2

I’ve got 3 lv 80s and over two dozen alts ranged from mid-teens to mid-forties. And while I tend to be one of the abhorred and derided soloists, who would LOVE henchmen for dungeons because I won’t set foot in one otherwise, and who ghosts around the edges of most things, one particular thing I will say I ALWAYS jump in on is when someone pings a map chat request for help. “Anyone able to help with _ skill point, anyone able to help with __ DE” … no worries … I’ve got all the WPs most of the time and it’s not much more than a matter of seconds before I’m there, lunging past the person asking for help, doing what needs to be done, even if it means going down, so they can get that SP, POI, Vista, etc. It’s no biggie — glad to help. I’ve done ’em all, so I know some of them are a pain in the kitten.

That said … if you’re asking someone for a hand because you’ve run into something that just totally brickwalls you, and someone takes time out of whatever they’re doing to run over or spend the coin to WP to jump in, I think the least you can do is offer up a simple thanks for the gesture. I love the game, and have been a supporter of it since the first beta, RNG and lacking living story updates aside, and I don’t tend to kitten much on the forums, but tonight was the fourth instance where someone pinged the map chat for a hand, I went over and pitched in, and the person disappeared afterwards with so much as an abbreviated TY.

You took the time to ask in map chat for help … usually in a lengthy description of what you needed a hand with — “Can anyone help me with ____ skill point”, “Vets hanging by this _ and they’re just killing me over and over — can anyone jump in and distract them?”

Cool, no problem. There as quick as I can. But nothing sours that more than doing it and having you skip away the moment YOU get done what you needed, and the other person that took time out of whatever they were doing be kitten ed.

TY?

Took less than a second to type. C’mon, I know you can do it. My KIDS can do it on their phones with two jerks of their thumbs. I love to help, but when I do it and then the person I’ve helped just skips away like my assistance amounted to a handful of kitten in their eyes … really? A map chat TY? … Especially given I tend to play from midnight until 4 AM CST, so I can’t imagine these are KIDS I’m responding to for the most part?

We’re better than that. Happy to help. Always will be. But there’s a difference between a friend and a chump.

TY.

Makes all the difference.

If you’re expecting common courtesy from anything internet related I’m afraid you’re going to be disappointed. I don’t like it either, but spending so much of their time anonymously in this consequence free environment has ruined the manners of an entire generation.

I agree with you, OP. A bit of courtesy goes a long way.

Embarrassment, thoughtlessness, stupidity? Who knows why people act the way they do. The important thing though is to not let the lack of good manners discourage you. Your efforts contribute to raising this game head and shoulders above others with a less kind and involved community.

OP, may I ask what server you’re on?

Anvil Rock, Vayne … and I have to say, having spent a bit of time wandering the forums, I sense a kindred-spirit type of familiarity … you play because you truly do love the game, and I am of the same opine … perhaps a move to TC is warranted, lol?

I cant’ remember many occasions on TC where I wasn’t thanked for helping..and I help a lot. Why not just guest over and see for yourself?

It’s not that I’m looking for the thanks, because to me that belittles the point of assisting in the first place … hey, look at me, i’m helping you … but, as the thread suggests, it’s the details … a simple TY, you know? you took time out of whatever the hell it was you were doing and slammed into that thing, consequences be kitten ed, and because of that, the other person was able to achieve whatever it was they were attempting to … every time i’m downed and someone takes the time to rez me, I toss out a TY, TY … type that out, go refresh my drink, and all is good in the neighborhood, so to speak … dunno … maybe it’s old school mentality? I still slide a chair out for the woman i’m going to dinner with and let her sit down before I do …

Oh I get it completely. Then again I’m over 50, so yeah. Courtesy used to be a matter of course. Times have changed, unfortunately. People just don’t care…some people anyway.

I blame the parents. lol

Vayne.8563:

I blame the parents.

FINALLY! Geez I thought I was the only one blaming parents.

@OP Your on the internet. That should pretty much say EVERYTHING. I know, not the answer you were lookin’ for, but it’s somewhat true. To those people you’re just some Faceless nobody so they don’t feel the need to say anything.

I’ve been there. Had my fair share of thankless rescues, help ,etc, etc. The Key word there was Had. Meaning I no longer help. Maybe some players can continue helping , but not me. Mainly cause I get the same Treatment back. Ahh the Great Equality.

While “common courtesy is uncommon these days” in many places, my experience in GW2 has been contrary to that axiom. People almost always seem to offer a “ty” for a res; and anytime I’ve actually responded to a call out for help with an explore point or event, and taken the time to say I was coming, I’ve gotten a “ty.”

I try to help other people with stuff like this. My biggest reason being I had to level pretty much alone for majority of my way to 80. Empty zones, anti social players who won’t even respond to ’’hey’’ in map chat and because I know the feeling of not being able to get a sp because the surrounding veterans demolished me.

Sure Im an kitten from time to time because my server falls for the dumbest kitten, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be helpful. Makes me remember GW1. How helpful the community was, how social and lively it was every day logging in. How complete strangers would help me with a mission, then before leaving would open trade and show me 10k. ’’Here’s a bit to get you get started’’.

GW2, you’re lucky to get a response from someone telling you ‘’no, I cant help you’’

Agree. I always thank people for completing content with me. Every dungeon, every skill point etc

Vayne.8563:

Oh I get it completely. Then again I’m over 50, so yeah. Courtesy used to be a matter of course. Times have changed, unfortunately. People just don’t care…some people anyway.

I blame the parents. lol

I also blame the parents and I am one

Op I love helping, the other day I ran a level 50’s player from Sparkfly to Cured Shore just because they asked in DR and got no response.
This player offered to pay me which I declined.

Mostly people do say thank you, sometimes they just do a little double jump.
In cases where they do not I usually do a /bow and then leave.

Sarcastic of me I know but maybe it reminds them that TY is not an effort

I love to jump in a fulfill requests for help. Wish there were more of them really. I can’t remember a single time I haven’t been thanked, but if it ever happens I’m doing the /bow thing and then vanishing. Makes me wish I could disappear in a puff of smoke. Brilliant!

I in the same boat as you OP, love just diving into events and helping people out, even to the point where I completely lose track of what I was trying to do, its what makes the game fun for me.

Having said that I do find GW2 to be one of the most courteous communities around, most people will throw a TY at you after giving them some help, and there is very little griefing (though what some people are doing with those new horns comes close, some very tone-deaf people around).

Just remember that the internet tends to breed some very self centred people (look at the afkers in dragonball), but most are nice enough, so all you can really do is enjoy the experiences while you can and write off the rest as bad apples.

Vayne.8563:

Oh I get it completely. Then again I’m over 50, so yeah. Courtesy used to be a matter of course. Times have changed, unfortunately. People just don’t care…some people anyway.

I blame the parents. lol

www.xkcd.com. Times didn’t change in the slightest. Rude kids always existed, bad parents always existed, it’s just that you and me learned manners and others didn’t (and if I understand correctly you’re a generation older than me).

In 20 years that’ll be my line too .. .that my generation learned manners.

I’ve probably only had one instance of outright rudeness on my server.
Some guy drops dead, I’m running to him, I’m also trying to wait for the mob to leave, just as it turns around to leave the player thinks I won’t rez him and called me a kitten.

Sometimes people don’t have that situational awareness to realize “Hey maybe I should throw out a TY for the trouble.” or “Well if I wait then I’ll get rezzed because I have a Karka/Zombie/Golem sitting on my face right now.”

I wouldn’t mind saying “Thank You” or “TY” as long it is safe for me to do so.

However, if I’m getting revived in the heat of battle, I’m usually mashing on my dodge key so I can move away and get back into action at the very moment I’m getting back up. My fingers are busy getting myself prepared to kick butt and can’t be bothered to say anything— in other words: “Serious Mode!” I’ll say thanks when everything else is dead around me.

On the other hand, I do occasionally hear player characters say some form of “Thanks” when I res them. For me, that’s good enough.

Otherwise, I generally play with this mentality: “No need to thank me. I’m just doing my job.” It’s just the way I roll, I guess.

I’m on AR, and I admit there have been times where someone has run in to join a battle, and I haven’t said ‘ty’. Generally speaking, I don’t think about it. (I’m usually either not paying attention or so goal focused that my brain isn’t really ‘in the moment’ its 6 steps ahead) Of course, in these instances, I didn’t “ask” for help either.

If I ask for help, I always make sure to say thank you to those that came, because kitten it…my mother taught me to ask nicely, and say thank you afterwards!

Now, if I’m down and someone reses me (asked or not), I do try to say ty every time, since it does only take a split second to say.

Common courtesy does go a long way, and its only polite to thank your helpers/rezzers, but sadly, like common sense….common courtesy aint all that common (in RL or online). I’m going to have to agree with Vayne on blaming the parents.

Thank you for all of your efforts!

With that said, I don’t think I have ever experienced or witnessed this on Tarnished Coast… During the recent Southsun event, people were dropping like flies fighting during the karka events… and the “say” chat would be spammed with TYs. People even shout a Thank you in map chat for communal fire boosts, banners, etc. If you are looking for a community like that, then I definitely recommend a transfer to TC.

If I am downed, I do always try to say ty if someone is reviving me. However, sometimes I become so distracted and focused on killing the boss, that it may take until after that boss is finished before I finally say, “Thanks for the rez earlier!” Even if it is delayed, a thank you is a thank you and should always be said.

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

OP, some of the non-thanks may be because they think you are helping yourself as well. That is, they may think you also needed that skill point or whatever and and came over when they asked for help in order to get it for yourself. In which case, they wouldn’t feel the need to say thanks as it was a mutual helping each other.

The rest of the people are probably just rude. ^^

If you ever help me in game I’ll make sure to not say TY and call you mean names OP.

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

It is not about a pat on the back at all- at least I don’t think so, it is more about manners and the lack of it online.

IRL if someone helps you because you asked for it, you say thank you- why should a game be different?

But, but, but…

aren’t you all my minions?

I agree a ty or thanks comment goes a long way. I usually see people double take when I thank them, so it must not be very common outside of rezzes.

I am another one of those players who likes to go help, if possible. Honestly, the only times I won’t go help at an event or something is if I haven’t explored there yet. Otherwise, I’ll keep going back to help if there are players needing help.
As for the “ty” I do appreciate getting it, but I also enjoy helping players. So it doesn’t totally bother me if I don’t get it.
I usually always “ty” players reviving me or something, except in scenarios where we’re all dying/reviving in dungeons or something.
Also, I wish I could type and run faster, cause I’m one who will go out of my way to revive a downed player, and I wish I could tell to them to stay till I get there, but alas, I’m not always fast enough and they WP away before I get there.

I’m on Crystal Desert btw, always looking to help

Thank you for your help

Morrigan.2809:

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

It is not about a pat on the back at all- at least I don’t think so, it is more about manners and the lack of it online.

IRL if someone helps you because you asked for it, you say thank you- why should a game be different?

It’s not about them thanking you or not. You either do the right thing…or you don’t. If someone needs help, you either do or don’t because those are your choices.

Doing the right thing or polite thing or helpful thing should not require a thank you, because it was the right thing to do. It is also the right thing to do to say thank you and please as a sign of gratitude. But a lack of gratitude does not excuse you from doing the right or correct thing. No longer helping because of a lack of gratitude on anothers part makes you selfish, self involved, and essentially only doing it for ones self aggrandizement.

To put it simply…many people only help others because they are expecting that little pat on the back of a thank you. The recognition of doing something good. You are only doing good to look better to someone else or to yourself. The true test of doing something selfless and good is getting nothing in return, and not bragging you did it later with no thanks involved.

killcannon.2576:

Morrigan.2809:

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

It is not about a pat on the back at all- at least I don’t think so, it is more about manners and the lack of it online.

IRL if someone helps you because you asked for it, you say thank you- why should a game be different?

It’s not about them thanking you or not. You either do the right thing…or you don’t. If someone needs help, you either do or don’t because those are your choices.

Doing the right thing or polite thing or helpful thing should not require a thank you, because it was the right thing to do. It is also the right thing to do to say thank you and please as a sign of gratitude. But a lack of gratitude does not excuse you from doing the right or correct thing. No longer helping because of a lack of gratitude on anothers part makes you selfish, self involved, and essentially only doing it for ones self aggrandizement.

To put it simply…many people only help others because they are expecting that little pat on the back of a thank you. The recognition of doing something good. You are only doing good to look better to someone else or to yourself. The true test of doing something selfless and good is getting nothing in return, and not bragging you did it later with no thanks involved.

:)
I was raised on Robert Heinlein and he taught me that gratitude is a false emotion that leads to resentment.
Exactly because of what you just said, so I do not disagree with you
.
I do find that good manners, kind of like alcohol, is the oil that makes civilization run on it’s wheels instead of decaying into chaos :P

Morrigan.2809:

killcannon.2576:

Morrigan.2809:

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

It is not about a pat on the back at all- at least I don’t think so, it is more about manners and the lack of it online.

IRL if someone helps you because you asked for it, you say thank you- why should a game be different?

It’s not about them thanking you or not. You either do the right thing…or you don’t. If someone needs help, you either do or don’t because those are your choices.

Doing the right thing or polite thing or helpful thing should not require a thank you, because it was the right thing to do. It is also the right thing to do to say thank you and please as a sign of gratitude. But a lack of gratitude does not excuse you from doing the right or correct thing. No longer helping because of a lack of gratitude on anothers part makes you selfish, self involved, and essentially only doing it for ones self aggrandizement.

To put it simply…many people only help others because they are expecting that little pat on the back of a thank you. The recognition of doing something good. You are only doing good to look better to someone else or to yourself. The true test of doing something selfless and good is getting nothing in return, and not bragging you did it later with no thanks involved.

:)
I was raised on Robert Heinlein and he taught me that gratitude is a false emotion that leads to resentment.
Exactly because of what you just said, so I do not disagree with you
.
I do find that good manners, kind of like alcohol, is the oil that makes civilization run on it’s wheels instead of decaying into chaos :P

Heinlein is good stuff.

Please, do take your time to include the “A”. It is a courtesy to mention the full name
That said I’m more an Isaac Asimov kinda guy.

I agree with the sentiment (of doing the right thing just because and not expecting gratitude) – yet I don’t think it’s wrong to mention that showing your gratitude is the right thing to do as well. As in a friendly reminder, not a form of rebuke.

So, as to keep the wheels turning, cheers.

Rouven.7409:

Please, do take your time to include the “A”. It is a courtesy to mention the full name
That said I’m more an Isaac Asimov kinda guy.

I agree with the sentiment (of doing the right thing just because and not expecting gratitude) – yet I don’t think it’s wrong to mention that showing your gratitude is the right thing to do as well. As in a friendly reminder, not a form of rebuke.

So, as to keep the wheels turning, cheers.

hehehe!
To Robert A Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and all the greats, good manners and general goodwill, Cheers

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

I would disagree — doing the right thing is a question of morals, while the expression of gratitude is the courtesy aspect of it. That being said, no I don’t believe stopping/not stopping to rez a downed player is an indication of one’s morals — this is a game, not RL, and I would hope that if most people were walking past someone who had tripped, fallen and couldn’t get up, they’d lend a helping hand because it was the right thing to do and not because they were looking to get a pat on the back.

Morrigan.2809:

Rouven.7409:

Please, do take your time to include the “A”. It is a courtesy to mention the full name
That said I’m more an Isaac Asimov kinda guy.

I agree with the sentiment (of doing the right thing just because and not expecting gratitude) – yet I don’t think it’s wrong to mention that showing your gratitude is the right thing to do as well. As in a friendly reminder, not a form of rebuke.

So, as to keep the wheels turning, cheers.

hehehe!
To Robert A Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and all the greats, good manners and general goodwill, Cheers

LOL, cheers indeed to both of those and Douglas Adams as well! Can’t have science fiction mentioned without Hitchhiker’s being involved!

And to quote something similar, “God created alcohol to keep the Irish from taking over the world”.

mojowalker.3798:

killcannon.2576:

If you’re going to help, help. Do it because that’s the type of person you are, not because you need a pat on the back to make you feel better about yourself. And then posting it in the forums…oh my.

Common courtesy is doing the right thing without needing the recognition for it.

I would disagree — doing the right thing is a question of morals, while the expression of gratitude is the courtesy aspect of it. That being said, no I don’t believe stopping/not stopping to rez a downed player is an indication of one’s morals — this is a game, not RL, and I would hope that if most people were walking past someone who had tripped, fallen and couldn’t get up, they’d lend a helping hand because it was the right thing to do and not because they were looking to get a pat on the back.

It is something that most usually is instilled into people, but it is not. If you look you see it everyday not just in game but in real life.
I went to a restaurant to pick up some food after work and the youth just stood in the middle of the sidewalks and blocked the doors. This is something I never encountered when I grew up and has only gotten worse as each year goes by.

When I grew up, and I’m 47, if you we’re rude or acted like a kitten to someone, you did it face to face. Being face to face, you could potentially suffer the backlash of said behavior. Now with the anonymity of the Internet, not so much.

Personally, I believe that times have and are changing on many levels….and not for the better.

I have had mainly good experiences. I have had a few bad dungeon runs, but they still ended with everyone saying thanks , have a good day, etc.